YTSEJAM Digest 1670
Today's Topics:
1) Re: CD updates
by as459@ctcdbs.ctc.cummins.com (A G Stiles)
2) Bach again...
by btomko@main.glasscity.net
3) Re: CDs you've bought but never heard...
by "Greg \"Big Brother\" Lee" <greg@aix.can.ibm.com>
4) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1669
by "Greg \"Big Brother\" Lee" <greg@aix.can.ibm.com>
5) Whee!
by Chris Oates <aspect@cats.ucsc.edu>
6) Re: Sarah McLachlan (NDTC)
by SaVeur <saveur@cais.cais.com>
7) Re-creating K.Moore
by Gary Cleghorn <gary@tequila.demon.co.uk>
8) Music bought but not yet heard
by "Matthew A. Schnoor" <schnoor@cs.pdx.edu>
9) images of cows
by RipZero <ripzero@dreamt.org>
10) now whenever i look at the "P" key on my keyboard it doesnt look liek <sp on purpose> a letter...
by RipZero <ripzero@dreamt.org>
11) Vernon Reid opening for King Crimson
by Mike Backof <mbacko1@umbc.edu>
12) RE: Wicked Maraya
by Alan Halverson <alanh@microsoft.com>
13) Same Subject Charone Had.
by Ben Laussade <laussade@enet.net>
14) Wait for "beep" - part II :)
by Mark Bredius <bredius@GlobalXS.nl>
15) Summer CD sale!!
by Michael Bahr <durnik@indirect.com>
16) RE: Music bought but not yet heard
by sjensen@research.westlaw.com
17) Prog Pecking Order
by tormato@allinux1.alliance.net (Jeremy Hyde)
18) new suscriber crw2@msn.com
by "JOEY WHO?" <IBANEZ_MAN@msn.com>
19) Re: Prog Pecking Order
by Jon Byrne <rael@access.mountain.net>
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Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 07:24:02 -0500
From: as459@ctcdbs.ctc.cummins.com (A G Stiles)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: CD updates
Message-ID: <199607051224.HAA24198@wks1-48.cummins.com>
> From: DigiKon5@aol.com
>
>
> I would like an update, please.
>
> --Rob Allen
>
Me too.
Me too.
Me too.
Me too.
....Just kidding !
Andrew Stiles
as459@ctc.cummins.com
astil00@mail.cpbx.net
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Date: Fri, 05 Jul 1996 10:28:43 -0400
From: btomko@main.glasscity.net
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Bach again...
Message-ID: <B0000191319@home.glasscity.net>
Uhhh....I don't think Bach ever met Beethoven. Actually, I believe
Bach was more obscure than Beethoven until the late Classical period, when
his works were rediscovered. Just a thought; I'm not positive of this.
I'll ask my bass teacher at my lesson today.
Mark Tomko
spector@dreamt.org
-or-
btomko@main.glasscity.net
"How many boards would the Mongols hoard if the Mongol hordes got bored?"
-Calvin
"Don't look into car headlights and freeze, because you'll either get run
over or shot." -Hobbes
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Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 10:30:22 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Greg \"Big Brother\" Lee" <greg@aix.can.ibm.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: CDs you've bought but never heard...
Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.91.960705102315.98911A-100000@hal.toraix.can.ibm.com>
On Thu, 4 Jul 1996 ytsejam@ax.com wrote:
> Subject: CDs you've bought but never heard...
> Dream Theater: Images & Words
> I had never really heard much of I&W before I bought it...
> a few friends mentioned it was good, so I went out and well...
> the rest is sorta history
> Fates Warning: Parallels
> Again, I had heard mention of them, but never really heard any
> of it before buying. Have YTsejam to thank for listening to FW
> I'm also wondering, how many of you would put DT onto this list, as I
> have?
Same for me on both of these...I heard a lot about DT from
"Screaming in Ditigal", the day after, oddly enough, I heard PMU on
97.7 the next day and bought I&W -- needless to say, I was stunned!
I saw the "Point of View" video on MuchMusic and happened upon
the Parallels CD a few days later in a used CD shop...well I have been
a fan since...
I am still disappointed by my Magellan purchase though...if anyone
in the Toronto area wants it...drop me a line.
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* Greg R. Lee, BMath '93 * "Every day sends future to past, *
* IBM Systems Engineer, AIX and RS/6000 * Every breath leaves me one less *
***************************************** to my last" -- Dream Theater *
* Email: greg@aix.can.ibm.com * *
* Phone: (905)316-2698 * Carpe Diem! *
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Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 10:42:02 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Greg \"Big Brother\" Lee" <greg@aix.can.ibm.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1669
Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.91.960705103144.98911B-100000@hal.toraix.can.ibm.com>
On Fri, 5 Jul 1996 ytsejam@ax.com wrote:
> I'd like to impart something TRULY sad. DT gets ZERO airplay
> here in Canada. None. Nada. Zilch. Zero. None.
True...Q107 has had them on the 6:00 Rock Report whenever they
were in town, ie, I&W and Awake tour...ah the memories, but I have only
head 97.7 play them and usually only around the time of the release...
> The only song I have heard played was CIAW and that was on a
> station out of St. Catherines, Ontario at around 2 am.
That would be 97.7...they play the odd bit...but, I never really
listen to the radio...I loved Z-Rock when I was in Austin, TX...lots of
QR and DT!
> as much as I like QR, I have to say, move over
> Geoff, your replacement has arrived.
Well I love them both...James has such power, but I have to give
Geoff the upper hand as far as all-around talent goes. No flame war
please!
> >Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 16:14:37 -0400 (EDT)
> >From: "Greg \"Big Brother\" Lee" <greg@aix.can.ibm.com>
> >Could this be the first Canadian EoJ? Yikes...Let's all have a Molson XXX
> >to celebrate!
> Actually, I had one before this. You mean we need a reason to
> have a cold one? Oh shit! Just when I thought I had that cause and
> effect thing all figured out!
Second EoJ -- You dog! A Canadian needing a reason to drink beer?
Naw...there is no cause and effect thing there...sorry for the confusion!
Oh yeah...I also bought Shadow Gallary's CiS without hearing a note
from the CD. I really like this band...
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* Greg R. Lee, BMath '93 * "Every day sends future to past, *
* IBM Systems Engineer, AIX and RS/6000 * Every breath leaves me one less *
***************************************** to my last" -- Dream Theater *
* Email: greg@aix.can.ibm.com * *
* Phone: (905)316-2698 * Carpe Diem! *
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Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 09:36:44 -0700
From: Chris Oates <aspect@cats.ucsc.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Whee!
Message-ID: <199607051636.JAA08829@cats.ucsc.edu>
Just ordered tix for a Tori concert. I'm in happyland. :)
Tiredland, too, as I've been up all night programming. Here little
bugbugbugbug SQUISH! hahahaha. DTC: Maybe's she'll do Winter. ;) Or a
piano cover of PMU? heheheh.
Oh, here's some. Samples: If I ever to a cover of SDV, I'll replace the
sample passages with cool, moody keyboard solos, and add in some cool vocal
harmonies. Well, kinda DTC. So shoot me, I'm tired.
Off to make the world saFe for alien invasion fleets (typo last time) and
buy the latest issue of Oh My Goddess ...
(Oh, and check the mail for SFaM)
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Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 13:34:57 -0400
From: SaVeur <saveur@cais.cais.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Sarah McLachlan (NDTC)
Message-ID: <199607051734.NAA03039@cais.cais.com>
>>From: Mike Backof <mbacko1@umbc.edu>
>
>>1. Sarah McLachlan - Fumbling Towards Ecstacy
[...snip...]
> She has 2 earlier records. The first is entitled Touch and
[...snip...]
> The second record, Solace, is more similar to FTE, using a
[...snip...]
> There is also a live video baring the name Fumbling Towards
[...snip...]
she has also released a CD+MM called the Freedom Sessions. the first track
is a mulitmedia thing u run on yer comp, both Macs and PC's -- v-kool. and
then there's 8 tracks of remixes. no, not dance remixes ;) a must-have for
any Sarah fan.
(haven't done this in a while so here ya go) in da player:
nin-further down the spiral; yanni-live at the acropolis; rush-hemispheres
disturbed,
j o h n s a v e u r @ c a i s . c o m
e
n
s h t t p : / / w w w . s i t e . g m u . e d u / ~ j j e n s /
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Date: Fri, 5 Jul 96 17:22:28 GMT
From: Gary Cleghorn <gary@tequila.demon.co.uk>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re-creating K.Moore
Message-ID: <35566174_000009_OASIS_MAIL@tequila.demon.co.uk>
This is for all jammers who play keyboards......
Has anyone re-created the sounds used by K.Moore on
I+W? if the answer is yes i'd like to here from you. I've got a KORG-M1 and need help
badly.
(a short but sweet DREAM THEATER message)
--**************************************************************************** gary@tequila.demon.co.uk Every day sends future to past Every breath leaves me one less to my last ****************************************************************************
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Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 10:54:49 -0700 (PDT) From: "Matthew A. Schnoor" <schnoor@cs.pdx.edu> To: Ytsejam List <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Music bought but not yet heard Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91.960705104732.9551B-100000@sarin.cs.pdx.edu>
In Jam #1669, Gordon McFee spake thusly: > >Genesis - The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway: This one took awhile to get used >to but it has grown to be one of my favourite Genesis albums. Needless to >say I've bought as many of their albums as possible since.
You too? Damn... I bought just about every Genesis album (before 1980) without ever having heard a note from the album. I was pretty damn impressed with them and I just kept buying and buying... until I had bought them all. (shucks)
I'm still waiting for the "BoxSet #1" to come out... I can't wait to get 2 discs worth of Live Lamb. ;)
I did the same with Marillion and Echolyn, as well as my old Yes CD's (Close to the Edge, Relayer, Going for the 1), some Jethro Tull (Thick as a Brick, Benefit, Passion Play, etc.) and, I'm going to admit it, Dream Theater. I had heard PMU on the radio (who hasn't?) but never really connected the name with the band.
Then, about 5 months ago, I discovered alt.music.dream-theater, by recommendation from another newsgroup, and bought Images and Words. PMU was familiar, but I was just mystified by the rest of the album. I didn't fall in love with it at first... but I decided to keep it and listen again. By then I was hooked.
I bought AWAKE and ACOS and WDADU not long afterward, and, with the exception of the cover songs on ACOS, had not heard any of that before either.
Anyone else?
See ya,
[ Matthew A. Schnoor ] [Bolo@ytsejam@irc.dreamt.org:2112] [ schnoor@cs.pdx.edu ] [http://www.cs.pdx.edu/~schnoor/index.html] [ bolo@dreamt.org ] "Daybreak, at the bottom of a lake..." [ Send your Homepage URL to me! ]
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Date: Fri, 05 Jul 1996 12:55:39 -0500 From: RipZero <ripzero@dreamt.org> To: Heavy Metal Computer Nerds <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: images of cows Message-ID: <31DD571A.2EC0@dreamt.org>
no cow puns here =)
i was this mucho cool metal shop i found out about just a few days back and i found the DT Tx3 single for 5 bucks.... granted nothing of any listening value is on it... 2 tracks- TTT edit and TTT... but mainly just bought it for the collection :) its got a few pictures of the band... surprisingly Kevin Moore is a BIG DUDE. you cant tell on the regular cd booklets and pictures, but they have a shot of them all lined up on the cover and Kev's like a head taller than them all, and has a bigger build... he's also got a beard n' mustache (?!) in these pictures.... its like, whoa... he looks fucked with facial hair.
~Rip
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Date: Fri, 05 Jul 1996 13:12:46 -0500 From: RipZero <ripzero@dreamt.org> To: Heavy Metal Computer Nerds <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: now whenever i look at the "P" key on my keyboard it doesnt look liek <sp on purpose> a letter... Message-ID: <31DD5B1E.3F64@dreamt.org>
:P
>I'm also wondering, how many of you would put DT onto this list, as I >have?
mememememememememememememememeME!
FW- Chasing Time too...
>Allright! How often do you see Prokofiev, Beethoven, Mozart, and >"Wheel of Fortune" in the same discussion! :)
only on the 'jam my friend....
ID4- only let down was that the scene when the aliens were trashing the cities were way too short, and they showed the stuff nobody cared about blowing up and not the stuff we wanted to see get trashed! i think they should've kicked the movie up to 3 or 4 hours, they could've added a lot more, and it wouldnt have gotten boring or anything, its just one of those movies. :) no directing either- it was basically one big special effect. the charactars were good tho. oh yeah, i was also shocked when i got to the theater and noticed it was pg-13. i mean, i guess i just assumed that a movie over the destruction of the world would be R! they could have had some cool death scenes you know. maybe a gratiduous sex scene. =) definatly one of the best movies of the summer, though i still liked The Rock more, but go see it, if you miss it in theaters it just wont be the same on video listening to Awake overandoverandover is cool... i also dug out LatM last night at 3am. good cd :) ~Rip
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Date: Fri, 05 Jul 1996 15:53:02 -0700 From: Mike Backof <mbacko1@umbc.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Vernon Reid opening for King Crimson Message-ID: <31DD9CCE.23B4@umbc.edu>
HEllo Jammers,
A Wild Kobayashi asked about this. King Crimson is doing the H.O.R.D.E. tour for a good portion of the summer, they are also headlining a few venues this summer with Vernon Reid as the opener. Vernon will not be doing the H.O.R.D.E. tour. Check out http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/aig/staff/toby/et/
for more info and a list of tour dates.
Later,
Mike
------------------------------------------------------------------------Michael Backof mbacko1@umbc.edu http://www.gl.umbc.edu/~mbacko1 WWW Pages - Unsigned Bands: http://www.gl.umbc.edu/~mbacko1/munsign.html WWW Pages - Inferno Page: http://www.gl.umbc.edu/~mbacko1/inferno.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 13:46:51 -0700 From: Alan Halverson <alanh@microsoft.com> To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: RE: Wicked Maraya Message-ID: <c=US%a=_%p=msft%l=RED-106-MSG-960705204651Z-27821@tide19.microsoft.com>
>> I don't know how many of you like this band, have even heard *of* this >>band,
I saw these guys in October 1994 opening for none other than Yngwie Malmsteen. They're pretty amazing live - great harmony vocals.
_Alan I don't speak for Microsoft, blah-da-blee, blah-da-blah ...
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Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 14:47:07 -0700 From: Ben Laussade <laussade@enet.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Same Subject Charone Had. Message-ID: <199607052147.OAA05207@maple.enet.net>
>I had onlt heard the Love Lies Bleeding and thee Subcon version >of ACoS when I bought Awake. I fell in love with it and then got >I&W...and the rest is history...
I can only remember three CD's that I had heard any of before buying (out of 50 or so). Metallica, "Metallica", DMB's Crash and Under the Table and Dreaming. The rest I bought blind. I'm gutsy like that.
> BTW- Ben: nice ass :)
Thanks...you have quite a nice smile.
>So quitly she sits and wait for "beep" > >Anyone want to tackle the second verse? Ben? >
She stares at the ceiling and tries not to starve. And pictures the food that would lie on her tongue again... But the taste is all gone. And pork rinds can't cover her memory And Cheetohs can't answer her pain. God, give me the power to make a strawberry freeze and call life from a cold frozen meal.
In with the french fries, Or up with the smoke from the stove. With (buffalo) wings up in heaven Or here eating in bed... Sauce smears all over my head Trying hard not to hurl On the floor and the floor of the world......
<bows> Thank you! Thank you very much!
And I quote people freely... Ben Laussade laussade@enet.net -or- ytse-ben@dreamt.org http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/7874/
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Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 23:16:57 +-200 From: Mark Bredius <bredius@GlobalXS.nl> To: "'Majesty-Mailinglist'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Wait for "beep" - part II :) Message-ID: <01BB6ACF.5A025F20@Scotty.startrek.globalxs.nl>
(Wait for "beep" - part II) __________________________________ / \ | She stares at the meatball, | | her fries and her drink | | | | And thinks of her face | | She's been dying to stuff again | | But the veal is all gone... | \__________________________________/
Sorry if I annoyed anyone with this. Just wanted to share it with you guys :) Please don't flame me... I'm not even using one of my sigs for this post, just to save some bandwith I wasted just now... ________________________________________________________________________ Itchy (NOT Bitchy), Itchy@dreamt.org - Mark Bredius, Bredius@GlobalXS.nl ________________________________________________________________________
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Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 15:48:15 -0700 (MST) From: Michael Bahr <durnik@indirect.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Cc: durnik@indirect.com Subject: Summer CD sale!! Message-ID: <199607052248.PAA01759@bud.indirect.com>
I know it's not much, but when I converted to the new CD company, they gave me a nice coupon to save on the production of Precious Things and Inside The Storm. Since I had already lowered the prices on those anyway, and I have a chance to cut some cost here, I present the...
Mike Bahr CDs Summer Sale!!!
Here's how it works. Until LABOR DAY, you can order any of my $25 discs at a price of $20. Original shipping prices still apply... free to the USA, etc. Critical Mass is well on its way to selling out, and I'm already in an argument over that on alt.music.rush, and the sale price on that item will be $45. (I don't save as much on a double).
Here are the CDs available and the number remaining of each:
Dream Theater "When Dream And Today Unite" - $20 - ~250 remaining. Dream Theater "Antiquities" - $20 - ~70 remaining. Dream Theater "Scenes From A Memory" - $20 - ~250 remaining. Rush "Critical Mass" - $45 - ~200 remaining. Shipping to begin MONDAY. Tori Amos "Inside The Storm" - $20 - Currently in pre-ordering. 500 discs.
Unless you're going to order Antiquities, there's really no need to reserve any of these since I have quantity remaining. Send your order to me at:
Mike Bahr, 3175 N. Price Rd. #1066, Chandler, AZ 85224
Summer is and always has been the slowest time of the year on the internet, so now is your chance to take advantage of the fact that only a few of us are online just now. I'm trying to give people every opportunity possible to avoid what happened last year with Acoustic Dreams, which was something like this: "Hi, I've got a new CD to sell, welcome back to school, all you college students, it's called Acous--wait, sorry, I guess I'm sold out!! Sorry about that!"
Happy Independence Day... both USA _and_ Canada!
- voluntas vincit omnia - Mike Bahr - durnik@indirect.com -
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Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 18:19:01 -0500 From: sjensen@research.westlaw.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: RE: Music bought but not yet heard Message-ID: <9607052319.AA24890@research.westlaw.com>
>I bought AWAKE and ACOS and WDADU not long afterward, and, with the >exception of the cover songs on ACOS, had not heard any of that before >either.
>Anyone else?
YUP!!
I bought Images and Words based solely on comments from the Kansas list.
And then because of this list I bought Echolyn, Shadow Gallery, Marillion, Lillian Axe, Fates Warning, Galactic Cowboys and King's X without having heard a single note.
Scott
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Date: Fri, 5 Jul 96 19:25 EDT From: tormato@allinux1.alliance.net (Jeremy Hyde) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Prog Pecking Order Message-ID: <m0ucKFN-001CbdC@alliance.net>
Hello everyone,
I just realized what's going on with all of the insulting in prog today. If you read all of the newsgroups of well-known prog bands, you will come to find that there's a pecking order going on, a "Prog Pecking Order" if you will. Well, here goes with my observation of who's on top and on the bottom of this pecking order.
King Crimson Yes Genesis Rush Marillion Queensryche Dream Theater Other unknown prog bands
One thing that I also observed is that the pecking order is based on the years have been on the "prog scene" I must state that none of these rankings support any of my personal rankings of these bands.
Hopefully this will make for an interesting thread, and not a flame war!
"He said he is still arguing with the t-shirt printer about color of shits." -Anon
Jeremy Hyde aka Tempus tormato@alliance.net
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Date: Fri, 5 Jul 96 22:48:30 UT From: "JOEY WHO?" <IBANEZ_MAN@msn.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: new suscriber crw2@msn.com Message-ID: <UPMAIL04.199607052343440638@msn.com>
please put crw2@msn.com on your mailing list for ytsejams....thank you
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Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 21:04:47 -0400 From: Jon Byrne <rael@access.mountain.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Prog Pecking Order Message-ID: <1.5.4.16.19960706210511.25b75db6@access.mountain.net>
At 04:34 PM 7/5/96 -0700, Jeremy Hyde wrote: >I just realized what's going on with all of the insulting in prog today. If >you read all of the newsgroups of well-known prog bands, you will come to >find that there's a pecking order going on, a "Prog Pecking Order" if you >will. Well, here goes with my observation of who's on top and on the bottom >of this pecking order. > >King Crimson >Yes >Genesis >Rush >Marillion >Queensryche >Dream Theater >Other unknown prog bands
Hmm, I'm not sure how accurate this is. Based on my observations of rec.music.progressive, I'd say you've got Crimson in the right place, and maybe Yes and Genesis, but not the others. There are a lot of the "unknown" bands (Gentle Giant, Van der Graff Generator, PFM [and a bunch of other Italian bands, too], etc.) that would rate near, if not on the top of the list.
Rush, Marillion, and DT have a sort of odd status, it seems. About half of the r.m.p. folks either love them or hate them. The knock on Rush is that they were never that prgressive in the first place, Marillion is too commercial, and DT is just a bunch of "80s cock-rock wankers," whatever that means. There are similar feelings on bands like Magellan and Mastermind.
>One thing that I also observed is that the pecking order is based on the >years have been on the "prog scene"
Once again, I'm not sure how true this is. Yes, there are a bunch of people who prefer the older bands, but I think that shows the sort of generation gap in prog. Those who grew up with it in the 70s seem to stick to that, while the younger folks have a wider scope. There are a bunch of modern bands that a lot of people would on r.m.p. would put on top of any pecking order, like Anglagaard, Anekdoten, Deus ex Machina and (the departed) echolyn.
Of course, I could also just be full of shit, so who knows? :)
Jonathan Byrne rael@access.mountain.net http://access.mountain.net/~rael/jdbhome2.htm West Virginia University College of Law ----------------------------------------------------------------- "Any major dude with half a heart Surely would tell you my friend, Any minor world that breaks apart Falls together again." -"Any Major Dude", Steely Dan
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