YTSEJAM digest 1678

From: ytsejam@ax.com
Date: Tue Jul 09 1996 - 10:07:15 EDT

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                                YTSEJAM Digest 1678

    Today's Topics:

      1) Comments on Top 50
     by Jennifer <jenibear@gvn.net>
      2) Re: Prog Pecking Order
     by Mike Backof <mbacko1@umbc.edu>
      3) Progressive violin. . .
     by Bradley Spare <bradley@ucsd.edu>
      4) Celebrate we will. Life is short but sweet, for certain.
     by Ben Laussade <laussade@enet.net>
      5) A few deal details
     by Bernd Basmer <basmer@med-rz.uni-sb.de>
      6) Aah, here we go.
     by Mark Bagley <mbagley@ix.netcom.com>
      7) Read: RE: Help Locating CD's
     by "Steven C. Young" <syoung@primenet.com>
      8) Read: RE: Help Locating CD's
     by Steve Eckles <steve@intech.co.uk>
      9) CDs'n'stuff
     by nga@software-ag.de (Neil Gallop)
     10) The enigma of James LaBrie
     by "PHILIP GRIFFITHS" <son01085@wipool.wifo.uni-mannheim.de>
     11) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1675
     by Gary Cleghorn <gary@tequila.demon.co.uk>
     12) What are these attachements...
     by "James R. McKenzie" <jrmckenzie@pdn.net>
     13) DT Christmas Shows
     by Jay Runde <jrunde@glenqcy.glenayre.com>
     14) Maybe Kevmo don't wanna be recreated?
     by Partha Mukhopadhyay <ahtrap@umich.edu>
     15) Michael Schenker new material
     by tq0139@mail.doshisha.ac.jp (Keiji Nishihara)

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    Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 21:47:25 -0700
    From: Jennifer <jenibear@gvn.net>
    To: "Ytsejam Mailing List" <ytsejam@ax.com>
    Subject: Comments on Top 50
    Message-ID: <199607090447.VAA17705@mindcrime.ax.com>

    The following appeared in Ytsejam #1673:

    >I mentioned a top 50 prog album list that was on the prog newsgroup a while
    >back. It is a tad out of date, but here it is anyway:
    [...]
    >10. Moody Blues: _Days of Future Passed_

    "Cold hearted orb that rules the night..."

    Wow... I'm glad to see these guys finally really mentioned somewhere.
    I can't ever recall seeing the Moodies mentioned in the 'jam before.
    It was actually some non-prog listeners that encourged me to pick up
    some albums, as I've always loved "Nights in White Satin" (especially
    the full version, not the chopped up radio one). This definitely
    should be higher than their other albums since it's sort of their
    "Wall" or "Operation:Mindcrime."

    >26. Moody Blues: _To Our Childrens..._ (can't remeber the rest)

    "To Our Children's Children"

    >29. Moody Blues: _Every Good Boy Deserves Favour_

    More Moodies. :)

    >38. Kate Bush: _Hounds of Love_

    I didn't know that Kate was considered proggy. I recently picked up
    "The Whole Story." The only song of hers I'd heard before this blind
    purchase (although highly recommended by others) was "Don't Give Up," a
    duet with Peter Gabriel.

    Jen

    On the move...

    Note *new* address: jenibear@gvn.net

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    Date: Tue, 09 Jul 1996 01:34:31 -0700
    From: Mike Backof <mbacko1@umbc.edu>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Re: Prog Pecking Order
    Message-ID: <31E21997.5E1B@umbc.edu>

    > From: Adam Barnhart <adamb@cfmc.com> > Well, some interesting notions have been tossed around about prog music.
    > I'll take one I agree with, for the most part, with amendments, to give some
    > notion of my prog weltanschauung:
    >
    > >From: Mike Backof <mbacko1@umbc.edu>
    > >Hello Jammers,
    > >
    > >Jeremy Hyde brought up a "Prog Pecking Order." Now on
    > >rec.music.progresssive I would say that more often than not, people have
    > >their favorites, but it seems that "more difficult" = "more progressive"
    > >at times. I wouldn't necessarily agree with this assessment, but it
    > >seems to be a trend among the die-hard prog people. This is how I would
    > >rank the bands based upon what I have read, not what I believe:
    > >
    > >Universe Zero, 5UUs, Magma, Miriodor (all RIO bands)
    > >Gentle Giant, Gong, Mahavishnu Orchestra (non RIO obscure original bands)
    > >King Crimson (favorite of the r.m.p crowd of the more "popular" bands)
    > >Genesis (their post-Duke work is generally frowned upon)
    > >Yes (a lot of people hate everything after Relayer)
    > >ELP (really went down hill after a while, keyboard fans like them)
    > >Jethro Tull (earlier albums were very progressive)
    > >Marillion, Asia, IQ, Gryphon, Starcastle, Ozric Tentacles (early
    > > "derivative" bands)
    > >Anekdoten, Glass Hammer, Iluvatar (later "neo-prog")
    > >Rush (generally hated in prog circles, they tend adapt to their
    > > environment and not pioneer, this annoys prog die-hards)
    > >Queensryche, Fates Warning, Dream Theater (prog-metal bands)
    >
    > 1) Grouping Mahavishnu Orchestra with Gong and Gentle Giant, I think, is a
    > little odd. MO is definitely for fusiony than the other two -- closer to
    > Brand X than Gong.

    Agreed, but if you note the "wanker" thread, fusion players tend to be wanky which
    lowers their status on r.m.p. That is why I didn't put Mahavishnu in the first
    category. Gong and Gentle Giant also have a large number of followers and few
    dissenters.
     
    > 2) Ozric Tentacles as "derivitive?" Of who?

    Gong, at least in some of the sounds produced. I think that they groove a lot heavier
    than the earlier iterations of Gong, but some effects have a very Gongish styling.
     
    > 3) One cannot emphasize enough how NO progressive group seems to remain
    > popular well into their career, with the possible exception of King Crimson.
    > Virtually all of the older bands that have remained on the scene -- Genesis,
    > Yes, Tull, Pink Floyd, even Marillion -- are vilified in a.m.p./r.m.p. for
    > recent "pop" leanings.

    Yes, but they are also defended in general for having good albums. Are we discussing
    where bands are now in popularity on r.m.p based upon their current lineups or a
    historical thing. I am ranking them based upon the whole history of the band, not based
    upon where I think today's versions of the band should be.
     
    > >4. Rush, the "special case" band. They started off copying Led Zeppelin,
    > >then moved on to Yes in the late 1970s, then to The Police in the early
    > >1980s, then the keyboard pop movement in the middle 1980s, then when
    > >keyboards were going out, they released Presto with fewer keys and an
    > >acoustic sound, now in the 1990s they cater to the grunge, heavy
    > >movement. Their new album will probably sound like Dave Matthews Band or
    > >something.
    >
    > Yes and no. There's something along the lines of "Orthodox prog" -- people
    > for whom prog is about "Close To The Edge," Gentle Giant, and Pendragon, NOT
    > anything which leans strongly toward rock. Rush is clearly the special case
    > for reasons very familiar to people on this mailing list -- by their second
    > album, Rush was clearly charting a progressive course, but a truly
    > aggressive one. Cream, Yes, and Zeppelin fell together, which created a
    > heaviness unknown to prog, with the less-extreme exception of Tull (Deep
    > Purple is in this general direction, as well, but not in the camp, per se).
    > But there's a tremendous disservice paid to the band in the above
    > description. They've always been a pioneering band because of their
    > juxtaposition of sounds. A lot of people associate prog with classical
    > music, but Rush has traditionally informed their hard rock sound with
    > different sounds: Reggae (as early as "Vital Signs," which DOESN'T sound so
    > much like The Police), Funk (even earlier: witness "Cinderella Man" -- that
    > tune's older than the Chili Peppers and Fishbone), Jazz (all over the place,
    > particularly in terms of chordal structure), Country ("Cold Fire"), World
    > (check out Neil's Playing on "Heresy"). They pioneer, to my way of
    > thinking...but not to everyone's. And the quote above is clearly expressive
    > on the dominant opinion of Orthodox proggers (which is why I've waged my
    > share of wars on a.m.p. and r.m.p.).

    And the quote that I stated is lifted right off of a.m.p and r.m.p. Rush was a band
    that I could get into from a rock radio background that introduced me to new musical
    ideas, which eventually lead me to prog. I agree that they tended to add the "edge"
    missing in many of the bands (though I have always thought of Yes in the mid-1970s as
    being kinda heavy at times, as well as King Crimson)

    Later,

    Mike

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    WWW Pages - Unsigned Bands: http://www.gl.umbc.edu/~mbacko1/munsign.html
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    Date: Mon, 08 Jul 1996 21:53:51 +0800
    From: Bradley Spare <bradley@ucsd.edu>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Progressive violin. . .
    Message-ID: <31E112EF.63E@ucsd.edu>

    Hello fellow music lovers. This is my debut so here it goes. . .
            I've been a DT fan since I&W was released. I appreciate all types of
    music and I thought I'd share something with you. I just got a cd called
    Vanessa-Mae: The Violin player. It is an all instrumental techno-prog
    album. This 17 year old woman fuses electric violin with guitars and
    keyboards. very cool. Check it. Another thing before i part. . .I live
    way out here in San Diego. . .any chanse that DT will play out here?

    "All animals are created equal but animals are more equal than others."
                                            - can anyone name that quote?

    bradley

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    Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 23:10:51 -0700
    From: Ben Laussade <laussade@enet.net>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Celebrate we will. Life is short but sweet, for certain.
    Message-ID: <199607090610.XAA02821@maple.enet.net>

    >first, there should be no measure or caliber of a fan (yes i recall the
    >subject of this post).
    [blahblahBLAH!!!]
     i really hope that you (yes YOU) do not believe that there
    >are guidelines or regulations to being a fan of dt. it would be an oxymoron.

    Fuck that, man. If you think you're a DT fan, you're a DT fan. Obviously, if
    you don't think you're a DT fan, then you're not, because a being a fan of
    something is a voluntary choice on your part. If you think you're a fan,
    then the voluntary choice you made is YES. A two page description (which I
    skipped, btw) is not necessary.

    >P.S.S glad to have you all as friends.

    Same to you.

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    Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 09:06:56 +0200
    From: Bernd Basmer <basmer@med-rz.uni-sb.de>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: A few deal details
    Message-ID: <9607090706.AB19202@krzsun.med-rz.uni-sb.de>

    Hi all!

    First of all, I'd like to thank you all for your congrats for our
    deal. I just can't tell you how happy we are...

    So here are a few details, as they were requested:

    The CD will be out in September/October. I don't know a date 'til now.
    If I get it, I'll let you know.

    They want to have our _4_ next CDs too. :) First we didn't want
    to bind us that long but then they simply took all the restrictions
    we gave them and there we are. :)

    D-Man, I'd suggest you to wait 'til the CD is in the stores if you
    want to save some money. Ordering it from those mail-order guys will
    cost you at least $23 or so and I think that's way too much. On
    the other hand, if you don't want to wait... just like you
    want it. :)

    Right now the CD can be ordered at
    EmpireEnt@aol.com or
    apocalypse@marlin.intelli-net.com
    They sell it in the USA and Canada...

    Ok, thank you all again.

    Bye.

    Bernd.
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    Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 00:43:51 -0700
    From: Mark Bagley <mbagley@ix.netcom.com>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Aah, here we go.
    Message-ID: <1.5.4.16.19960709004909.554f8782@popd.ix.netcom.com>

    Yes, I have finally felt the urge (geez, that garnered a few groans) to say
    something here.

    I've been a subscriber for a few (read: 3) weeks to the Jam, and I've been a
    fan of Dream Theater for quite some time.

    I kind of wanted to comment on the "real" DT fan thread - it's kind of sad
    when you resort to belittling others because they don't know as much about a
    certain topic as you do. Granted, sometimes this is justified (such as when
    the person is obviously clueless as hell and posts in a degenerate fashion)
    but hey, the guy had a valid question that didn't merit being blasted.

    Re : the person who came back with the "When in Rome" thing - touche! I
    thought that was definetly a good call. The rest of the CD (can't remember
    the name now) kind of bites, from what I remember.

    Re : DT stuff - I'm creating (yet another) Dream Theater page to go with my
    personal homepages. Hopefully, I'll get them done in a publishable state
    soon, but if you've got any cool DT pix, backstage passes, ticket stubs,
    etc. that you've scanned in, mail them over or whatnot and I'll see if I can
    stick them somewhere. Ditto for Satriani and Rush, who also have separate pages.

    l8r - Mark.

       *mbagley@ix.netcom.com* - Mark Bagley -
    "Free beer and all the sausages you can eat."
       -The McKenzie brothers, Strange Brew

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    Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 19:47:31 -0700
    From: "Steven C. Young" <syoung@primenet.com>
    To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
    Subject: Read: RE: Help Locating CD's
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    Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 09:12:48 +-100
    From: Steve Eckles <steve@intech.co.uk>
    To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
    Subject: Read: RE: Help Locating CD's
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    Date: Tue, 9 Jul 96 11:46:17 +0200
    From: nga@software-ag.de (Neil Gallop)
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: CDs'n'stuff
    Message-ID: <9607090946.AA00269@sundoc13.software-ag.de>

    Morning all

    Boy, am I pissed off at the moment. The guy I live with has just ripped me off
    big time. He's got a new job in Switzerland, and he came back at the weekend to
    pick up his stuff from the house. I was away celebrating my birthday with some
    friends (happy birthday to me), and you can imagine my joy and surprise on
    returning to find the motherfucker had taken my TV and VCRs. If any Swiss
    jammers fancy earning a few SFR on the side, drop me a line. I just had to get
    that of my chest.

    OK, now to more pleasurable things - it's Neil's CD tips time again, and the
    first one is a real winner (10/10).

    Dearly Beheaded - Temptation
    Quite simply the best debut album by any band since Machine Head released "Burn
    My Eyes". This album has it all - the drive and riffs of Machine Head, the
    groove of Pantera, the rhythm of Sepultura, the best lead/rhythm guitar
    combination since Paradise Lost. This album is what metal is about and how it
    should be. And best of all - Dearly Beheaded are an English band. British metal
    rears its ugly head again. If you like any of the bands I just mentioned, you
    will like this album. Go get it NOW.

    End Of Green - Infinity
    A new German band this time. End Of Green are a doom/gothic band that manage to
    combine elements of bands like Celestial Season, Monster Magnet and Kyuss with
    standard doom/gothic riffs and still come out with a sound that is clearly
    their own. This album is not as gloomy as some of the other stuff of this genre
    and I think End Of Green will be a band to watch out for in the future.

    Paradise Lost - Shades of God
    Certainly not a new release, but an album I needed to complete the set. "Shades
    of God" represents a transition between the old Paradise Lost (definately doom/
    death with simple riffs and lots of grunting vocals) and the new (clearer and
    more powerful vocals, better structured songs, improved guitar work). For some
    reason, this album is quite dificult to find here.

    Skyclad - Prince of the Poverty Line
    Again not new, but none the worse for it. Somewhat heavier than the last two
    albums, and dominated by Martin Walkyier's madcap vocals. Further proof that
    English metal doesn't start and end with Iron Maiden (yuk).

    Don't just sit there, go out and buy some of this stuff, bung it in your CD
    player, crank up the volume, and annoy the neighbors.

    Minimal Dream Theater content: I can't watch my copy of "Live in Tokio" anymore.
    Just wait till I catch that bastard!

    stay safe and happy listening
    Neil Gallop
    (nga@software-ag.de)

    Currently playing: Dearly Beheaded - Temptation (what else did you expect?)

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    Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 13:23:10 MEZ/MES
    From: "PHILIP GRIFFITHS" <son01085@wipool.wifo.uni-mannheim.de>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: The enigma of James LaBrie
    Message-ID: <12E00D50AF@wipool.wifo.uni-mannheim.de>

    Hi Guys!
    Here in Germany a rumour is going around that Dream Theater is giong
    to 'fire' James LaBrie. Does anyone know more about it?
    Phil

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    Date: Tue, 9 Jul 96 09:56:46 GMT
    From: Gary Cleghorn <gary@tequila.demon.co.uk>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1675
    Message-ID: <45949571_000009_OASIS_MAIL@tequila.demon.co.uk>

     
    > Before I say bye-bye, I do have one request.
    >
    > Could we PLEASE keep the Base 64 and UUENCODED data OUT OF THE
    >JAM!!!!!
    > This stuff is aggravating as hell to skip through. If any of
    >it is patch information for synths, it really should be sent via
    >e-mail rather than through this medium.
    > Thanks for your attention.
    >
    >
    >Cheers,
    >
    >Rick
    >Toronto

    I agree Rick, if anyone has anything to say on the subject of
    recreating KM then e-mail me directly NOT TO THE JAM.

    I use an atari falcon so all this winmail stuff is useless.

    ( i am starting to wonder if its the server that is the problem as
    other threads seem to be affected as well... maybe its the IBM server
    getting its revenge , remember HAL? )

    --
    

    **************************************************************************** gary@tequila.demon.co.uk Every day sends future to past Every breath leaves me one less to my last ****************************************************************************

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    Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 07:47:13 -0400 From: "James R. McKenzie" <jrmckenzie@pdn.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: What are these attachements... Message-ID: <2.2.16.19960709074527.2a1f6872@pdn.net>

    Hello,

    I've been recieving attachments with the last few JAMS. What and why are they? All I know for sure is they ain't any file format I can recognize. PKZIP, ARJ, RAR. LHA, TXT, GIF, JPG, ect. I've tested 'em all and there is no match. That attachments are not very big, some only 5 - 8 eight lines in length, but I would like to know what they are and if they can be stopped.

    BTW I do wish to express a concurrent view on these BASE-64 postings, CUT IT OUT! Anyone who wants these things ask for 'em by E-MAIL, don't post them in here.

    That's all and it was sooooooo interesting.

    JRMCKENZIE@PDN.NET

    JAMES R. McKENZIE

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    Date: Tue, 9 Jul 96 7:29:59 CDT From: Jay Runde <jrunde@glenqcy.glenayre.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: DT Christmas Shows Message-ID: <199607091230.FAA24037@mindcrime.ax.com>

    Does anyone besides Brian have all of the Christmas DT Shows on DAT. I have contacted him a couple of times and he hasn't replied. I would be interested in trading with someone. Please email if you would be interested in working out a trade.

    -- James Runde - Glenayre One Glenayre Way Quincy, IL 62301 jrunde@glenqcy.glenayre.com Compassion -- that's the one thing no machine ever had. Maybe it's the one thing that keeps men ahead of them. -- McCoy, stardate 4731.3

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    Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 08:35:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Partha Mukhopadhyay <ahtrap@umich.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Maybe Kevmo don't wanna be recreated? Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.960709082934.6912A-100000@galaxian.rs.itd.umich.edu>

    whazzup with this MIME stuff? now it's affecting msgs with subject "help in locating CDs" also.......do something, Skadz :)

    i was real worried like when i saw the anti-Roman DAV come back with a "WHAT A REAL DT FAN IS" (or something like that) subject, caps and all....but that was a cool, albeit maudlin post.....

    what was that that Rodney King said?

    psm

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    Date: Tue, 9 Jul 96 23:04:08 +0900 From: tq0139@mail.doshisha.ac.jp (Keiji Nishihara) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Michael Schenker new material Message-ID: <9607091404.AA29130@mail.doshisha.ac.jp>

    Hi! I'm Keiji from Japan.

    I've heard new song from Michael Schenker. It's an instrumental song dedicated to his daughter, titled 'Essence'. I like this. He rocks! He's been out of rock scene. His previous material UFO's "Walk On Water" was very averaged album. Very forgetable album,don't you think that,too? But his new band (of course MSG) featuring members of ex-Great King Rat (vox), ex-Yngwie (bass,drums) will be nice.

    MSG "Written In The Sand" will be out 1996-08-28 from Master Volume Project (Zero Corp.).

    Thanks.

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