YTSEJAM Digest 1681
Today's Topics:
1) Lu: RE: Re-creating K.Moore
by Jacques Ferland <sebsammy@generation.net>
2) Lu: RE: Help Locating CD's
by Jacques Ferland <sebsammy@generation.net>
3) Rez on quake...
by RipZero <ripzero@dreamt.org>
4) Re: KTS boots
by skooc@ix.netcom.com (Scott Cook)
5) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1678
by ai292@freenet.carleton.ca (Gordon McFee)
6) Prog Rock Nite
by nishiki@juno.com (Aaron Silverman)
7) Bad definitions, boots, and midgets (?)
by The Digital Man <cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu>
8) Yeeeeeeeeeeeeehaaaaaaww!!!!
by Ben Laussade <laussade@enet.net>
9) QUAKE AWAKE
by "spiralus" <spiralus@cris.com>
10) fates new album
by akyuz@ltp.dmx.epfl.ch
11) Crimson. Any suggestions?
by <raitz@guvatrak.ee> "Raivo Hool"
12) Extra Ticket
by Jay Runde <jrunde@glenqcy.glenayre.com>
13)
by Mike <syrinx@dreamt.org>
14) Re: new prog. band CLOCKWORK
by dreg@juno.com (Steve M Lehrfeld)
15)
by
16) Superior
by BILL HUSTON <HUSTON@IOMEGA.COM>
17) Van Halen News
by "Donald Dintaman" <Donald.Dintaman@nmb.norwest.com>
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Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 14:21:50 -0400
From: Jacques Ferland <sebsammy@generation.net>
To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Lu: RE: Re-creating K.Moore
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Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 14:35:54 -0400
From: Jacques Ferland <sebsammy@generation.net>
To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Lu: RE: Help Locating CD's
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Date: Tue, 09 Jul 1996 23:56:33 -0500
From: RipZero <ripzero@dreamt.org>
To: Heavy Metal Computer Nerds <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Rez on quake...
Message-ID: <31E337FF.6CE8@dreamt.org>
>--i can't wait to hear wut Trent comes up w/. so if the level editor
>let's u pick the tracks and times, it should be pretty easy.
is trent rez doing the soundtrack for the game too? yeeesss! damn, i
may have to buy this game in that case.... :)
~Rip
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Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 21:58:53 -0700
From: skooc@ix.netcom.com (Scott Cook)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: KTS boots
Message-ID: <199607100458.VAA16729@dfw-ix12.ix.netcom.com>
>I was checking out the KTS web page (http://www.kts.it) and saw that
>they have 3 DT boots. I was wondering which of these has the best
>sound quality/bang for the buck. Opinions?
Me? Opinion? well, ok!
>Dream Out Loud (93)
Good quality but recorded slow. I'll sell you mine if you're interested
>Lords of Sound (93) Haven't heard it.
>Mind Control (95)
Awesome! I highly recommend it. Superb quality.
>Also, if anybody knows anything about the 2 Rush boots they had, let
>me know:
>Run From The Fans (92) Haven't heard it.
>Northern Heroes (94)
I have a audio dub of this. The quality is good for an audience
recording, but on the poor side for a KTS CD. If you want a boot from
this tour then I qould suggest Mike Bahr's release "Critical Mass."
While I've not heard it yet it's supposed to be a top quality
soundboard; and Rush does the same set night after night anyway.
Grinder
"Honesty is my only excuse."
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Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 00:59:37 -0400
From: ai292@freenet.carleton.ca (Gordon McFee)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1678
Message-ID: <199607100459.AAA26467@freenet3.carleton.ca>
>
>"All animals are created equal but animals are more equal than others."
> - can anyone name that quote?
Heh.. ya mauled it .. and it's Orwell in Animal Farm. Or at least
it would be if ya typed it right :).
Is a minority of one insane? :)
-- "To seek the sacred river Alph, and walk the caves of ice..." - Rush "Ashes and Diamonds,Foe and Friend/We were all equal in the end." -Pink Floyd "The sands of time were eroded by the river of constant change." - Genesis "Others steal your thoughts they're not confined within your mind"-DreamTheater------------------------------
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 01:33:09 PST From: nishiki@juno.com (Aaron Silverman) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Prog Rock Nite Message-ID: <19960710.013340.7927.0.nishiki@juno.com>
Hi gang,
I went to my first Prog Rock Nite at the Rock 'n' Roll last week, and I must highly recommend it to everyone on the list. I heard (and bought!) a lot of excellent music. Dan Gibson is a great guy and put up with lots of my questions about all kinds of stuff. There were 3 rockin' bands playing, in addition to Dan's tapes, and the damn thing is FREE (unless you consider what they charge for a beer there. . . :) ). What do people think of the middle band that played, Mastermind? I thought their sound was great- sort of a cross between DT and ELP, with the guitar synths and the guy's Greg Lake-ish voice. I think if they could build their material into more coherent songs, they'd be really fantastic. What do other people think? I finally heard Ivanhoe, and had the same opinion. . .they play some great stuff, but they need to put it in the context of more memorable songs. The last band, Monolith, had a similar problem, but the first band, Curious Works, while playing the least complex music of the 3 acts, had the best put together tunes. Also, anyone who is going to Styx/Kansas next week at the Garden State Arts Center and wants to meet together on the lawn, please email me directly as I am WAY behind on reading my YTSEJAMS.
Party on,
DJKA nishiki@juno.com
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Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 01:51:25 -0400 (EDT) From: The Digital Man <cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu> To: Ytse Jam <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Bad definitions, boots, and midgets (?) Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9607100157.J17782-0100000@griffin.emba.uvm.edu>
> From: jestok@interlog.com (Mike Estok) > Subject: message to Portland 'jammers > > So, I was flying on United Airlines and I was reading their aptly > named magazine "Hemispheres". I was looking at the chart for radio stations > and <boom> channel 15 is dedicated to "progressive rock". I flipped out, I > was so excited. > But of course their prog includes: Presidents of the USA, Blind > Melon and G n' R. I don't think so.
Who writes this shit? I think I have to find a UA web page and write them some mail.
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> From: Ben Laussade <laussade@enet.net> > Subject: Quake. > > >Geez...some people really need a hobby... > > MIDGET TOSSING!!!!!!!
Are you volunteering? :)
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> From: mrkizer@CCGATE.HAC.COM > Subject: Das Boots... > > I was checking out the KTS web page (http://www.kts.it) and saw that > they have 3 DT boots. I was wondering which of these has the best > sound quality/bang for the buck. Opinions? > Dream Out Loud (93) > Lords of Sound (93) > Mind Control (95)
I have a tape copy of a friend's MC - great quality. However, it's also just an audio copy of the Japanese PPV. IF you have that, don't spend the $ on MC. I dunno the other two.
> Also, if anybody knows anything about the 2 Rush boots they had, let > me know: > Run From The Fans (92) > Northern Heroes (94)
TNMSers will have you believe that there are no good boots from the CP tour (that is, until Critical Mass comes out), so I'd probably stay clear of NH. RftF I can't remember what I've heard. There's a TNMS web page where they review boots. Can't recall the url off hand - just search Yahoo.
------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Digital Man \|/ ____ \|/ Secretary cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu "@'/ ,. \`@" UVM Comp Sci Student Assn d-man@dreamt.org /_| \__/ |_\ "He won't need a bed http://www.emba.uvm.edu/~cmerlo \__U_/ He's a digital man" - Peart
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Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 23:26:40 -0700 From: Ben Laussade <laussade@enet.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Yeeeeeeeeeeeeehaaaaaaww!!!! Message-ID: <199607100626.XAA06653@maple.enet.net>
Greetings Jammers! You've got a very happy Ytse-Ben on your hands right now. I just got tickets for the HORDE show in Phoenix the 24th. Since everybody else does this....is anybody else going? If so, wanna meet somewhere? Maybe? Possibly? If you don't, look for the tall skinny d00d in the very back row. I got shitty seats...but guess what? I don't care!
Latah.
I'm creeping death.
And on the seventh day he.....MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!! Ben Laussade laussade@enet.net -or- ytse-ben@dreamt.org http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/7874/
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Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 03:05:57 +0000 From: "spiralus" <spiralus@cris.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: QUAKE AWAKE Message-ID: <199607100702.DAA05957@darius.cris.com>
>Now all us Quake Awakers need is is the guy who did the Doom2 DT >level (.wad) is do a Quake Awake level! And make sure it only plays >the heavy songs on Awake! Anyone other than me think that this is an >ingenious idea?
>Most likely not..the only reason that Quake plays random tracks is >because the registered version is played from a CD, and the game picks >tracks from that CD that correspond to whatever level you're playing. >The fact that it only plays heavy Awake songs is a coincidence. I've >noticed that it picks the same "random" tracks everytime.
There is a command on the console: CD REMAP which will remap the particular songs in an order you prefer.
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Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 09:21:42 +0200 From: akyuz@ltp.dmx.epfl.ch To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: fates new album Message-ID: <v02130501ae09081f206f@[128.178.99.94]>
>anyways, picked up some CDs recently =) Fates Warning's No Exit is >veryyyyyyy cool. kind of a thrash-sense to it even :) the only thing i >dont like is that The Ivory Gate Of Dreams, a 21 minute song with 8 >sections, is divided into 8 tracks...... while on one hand being able to >go to certain parts of the song are nice, it just makes you feel like >listening to 8 different songs... not one big one. >another thing i noticed- a section in IGoD is called Innocence... so is >a section in ACoS :) >thasallfornow > ~Rip
fw's new album will be much in the vein of "No Exit" and "Perfect Symmetry". Only that it's gonna be one looooooong song 45-60 mins. Now there's a discussion whether or not to divide that into tracks, indexes, or just to leave it on the CD as one track. IMO, for a fan, leaving one whole track would make sense. However, for commercial reasons, a partitioning would be necessary.
Do you jammers have any opinions on this? Should principle or commercial sense prevail?
On "Chasing Time", there's a track from "Ivory Gates..." that's called "Quietus". Taken out of the context, it stands out very well as one independent song. On the other hand, it mixes in quite well in "Ivory...", although this above 20 min song has a "copy-paste" feeling from time to time.
My wonder now is how FW are gonna make a song coherent across twice that duration. IMO, only two bands have managed to do a coherent song more than 20 mins:
Dream Theater: ACoS Mekong Delta: Dances of Death
sorry, not "Ivory...."
Later,
........................................................................ D A V E K I N G "If you see a problem where there is none, then the problem is YOU" (dk) "holding on is easier than letting go" (fw)
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Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 11:11:32 +2000 From: <raitz@guvatrak.ee> "Raivo Hool" To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Crimson. Any suggestions? Message-ID: <9607100813.AA19892@pepe.online.ee>
I purchased a coupla King Crimson albums without knowing a note of the band previously. "In The Court Of The Crimson King" & "Discipline". Now, the first one was really right there, whereas the other one lacks something vital. I also listened to "Vrooom" and thought it kinda sucked.
What I want is some suggestions on the band's seventies' material. Any CD releases I should know of (and buy)?
E-mail me directly, please, I don't want the 'Jam too messed up.
TIA
Raitz
How could I forget such a revelation to love without fear and learn without question how could I regret the meant occasions I must begin this day again
Cynic, "How Could I"
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Date: Wed, 10 Jul 96 7:24:33 CDT From: Jay Runde <jrunde@glenqcy.glenayre.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Extra Ticket Message-ID: <199607101225.FAA13256@mindcrime.ax.com>
I have an extra ticket for the Hootie and Blowfish concert for this Friday, July 12th at 7:30 pm at the New World Music Theater in Tinley Park, IL (near Chicago for those of you who don't know). The original ticket price was $22.50 and I would be willing to let it go for $15. If you are interested, please e-mail me ASAP so we can work out arrangements. -- James Runde - Glenayre One Glenayre Way Quincy, IL 62301 jrunde@glenqcy.glenayre.com Compassion -- that's the one thing no machine ever had. Maybe it's the one thing that keeps men ahead of them. -- McCoy, stardate 4731.3
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Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 08:30:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Mike <syrinx@dreamt.org> To: Yitz-see-jam <ytsejam@ax.com> Message-ID: <Pine.BSD.3.91.960710082940.13472A-100000@astro.ocis.temple.edu>
I hate to waste bandspace, but...
can d-man _PLEASE_ e-mail me. i have a thing or two i need to discuss with you, chris. :)
------------------------------------- Michael B. Ostrich musical advisor/consultant syrinx@dreamt.org syrinx@voicenet.com syrinx@astro.ocis.temple.edu ..and a partridge in a pear tree.
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Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 09:39:39 PST From: dreg@juno.com (Steve M Lehrfeld) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: new prog. band CLOCKWORK Message-ID: <19960710.095406.13118.0.DREG@juno.com>
>This is my first post on the jam. I've only been on ystejam for a >week but have been a DT fan for about four years now. I'm in a prog. >rock/metal band that is starting to receive some label interest. If >any of you guys are interested in hearing my band just e-mail me and >I'll send you a tape. > Anthony Sciamanna
I can vouch for these guys since not only have I heard them, they are part of DREG's upcoming compilation CD. They're excellent, combining the styles of bands like DT, Shadow Gallery and Helloween. Readers of this list will love their music. Check them out if you can.
-steve DREG Records
********************************************************* DREG Records homepage: http://www.bigbrain.com/dreg/
Facade homepage: (check out the new CD!) http://www.bigbrain.com/dreg/facade.html *********************************************************
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Does anyone have the Altura cd which is now out on Magna Carta?
cdconnection.com has the rush tribute for sale _NOW_!!!!!
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Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 09:26:46 -0600 From: BILL HUSTON <HUSTON@IOMEGA.COM> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Superior Message-ID: <s1e37740.066@IOMEGA.COM>
To Bernd and band a big CONGRATULATIONS!!! It's about time. I have a question: you mentioned a release in October, is this a new one or when they expect to have Behind in the stores? And will there be changes to Behind-I hope not-it's perfect as it is? A friend has been bugging me to dub this for him but I keep telling him to order it. He hasn't because it's 'too much trouble-tape it for me'. So I told him today that they've been signed and he can just go buy it. DTC he already has all of DT stuff.
Wilmo
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Date: 10 Jul 96 16:26:45 -0500 From: "Donald Dintaman" <Donald.Dintaman@nmb.norwest.com> To: "ytsejam@ax.com" <ytsejam@ax.com> (Return requested) (Receipt notification requested) Subject: Van Halen News
From: rushed@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu (Matt Wilkinson) Date: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 08:36:06 -0500 Subject: Van Halen article, LA TIMES For those interested this a copy of an article in the LA Times from last Friday. I know many Rush fans are also Van Halen fans. Please excuse the lack of Rush content. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- This is an interview with Sammy Hagar from the Friday, June 28, 1996 Los Angeles Times Calendar Section by Steve Hochman (page2): Rock fans were stunned by the announcement Wednesday that Van Halen had reunited with singer David Lee Roth - who left the band acrimoniously in 1985 and had fired his replacement, Sammy Hagar. But not as stunned as Hagar. "[Eddie Van Halen] just wanted me to change one lyric in a new song, and I didn't want to," said Hagar, recalling the incident that precipitated the upheaval. "I thought 'the song] was great," Hagar said. "But after I left he drove to David Lee Roth's house, and man, that's worse than sleeping with the enemy." Five days later, on June 16, Hagar - who said he had been unaware of the Van Halen - Roth meeting - got a call from Eddie Van Halen. "[He told me], 'You never do what I ask you to do, you're really stubborn,'" Hagar recalled Thursday by phone from his house in Hawaii in his first interview since the split. "I said, 'It's never been like that before, Eddie.'... But he said, 'You're a solo artist in this band, so you might as well really be a solo artist.'" (A spokeswoman for Van Halen's manager, Ray Danniels, said that band members would not comment at this time.) Roth, who formed the band with brothers Eddie and Alex Van Halen and bassist Michael Anthony in Pasadena in the mid-'70s, is working on a new track with the group to be included in a greatest-hits album, due in October. The band will not officially say that he has rejoined permanently, but sources say plans are being made for a new album and tour with Roth next year, and Hagar said that he has also been given that impression. Roth's colorful showmanship and boisterous personality, matched with Eddie's guitar playing, took the band to the top ranks of the hard-rock world. His departure for a solo career was seen by many as a death knell for the band, but with veteran rock singer and songwriter Hagar, Van Halen actually surpassed its previous record sales while Roth's career sputtered. Still, many fans remain loyal to the original linup, and concert promoters often note that a tour of that band would do tremendous business. Hagar, 48, said the incident over the lyric was the culmination of tensions that had been mounting since the band concluded a long concert tour in January. At that time, the band wanted to go right into the studio to record two new tracks for the "Twister" soundtrack. Hagar, exhausted from the trek and with his wife pregnant, wanted to go home to his primary residence in Marin County. "But they conned me into coming down and spending a couple of weeks," he said. At the end of those sessions, though, he was informed that one of the two songs, "Between Us Two," was being replaced on the movie album by an instrumental and was now intended for a greatest-hits album. Hagar, who had long fought plans for a hits collection, was livid. "We're not a greatest-hits kind of band," he said. "We made great albums and sold out concerts all over the world, and we do not need to rely on the past.... We spent 11 years trying to bury the past and make the music different and expand and grow." Still, he said, he agreed to work more on the new song, but the sessions proved heated and tense. At the same time, Roth, who had heard about plans for the hits album, reportedly initiated contact with Eddie Van Halen, apologized for derogatory statements he had made and expressed interest in being involved in the project. "We bumped heads," Hagar summarized, "and the next thing I know, Eddie calls and David Lee Roth is back." Hagar said his problems with Van Halen started after longtime band manager Ed Leffler died of cancer in 1993. Hagar said that he never really developed a good relationship with Danniels, who was hired the next year. (Danniels was also unavailable for comment.) But he said that the chemistry between him and the other band members remained strong until the end of the last tour. As for his own plans, Hagar said he won't rush into anything. "I might be a beach bum in Cabo San Lucas," he said of the town in Mexico where he and Van Halen members own th Cabo Wabo nightclub. "Or I might be a studio rat and just record. I write songs constantly that are not meant for Van Halen. I probably have 20 great songs I could record. One thing he most definitely will not do is attend any Roth-fronted Van Halen concerts. But he'll be very interested to hear about the shows. "It was one thing for me to do some of the old songs," he said. "But if they try to do my songs, that will be a joke. I might send my produce guy. If [Roth] sings one of my songs, he deserves to get a tomato thrown at him." There's side one of the story. I guess it wasn't amicable. I apologize for any typos - I should be on my way to work. Michael The Full Bug donothing@aol.com fullbug@netvoyage.net http://www.netvoyage.net/~fullbug/ Seizures! Matt Wilkinson, K98 School of Medicine University of Kansas
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