YTSEJAM Digest 1691
Today's Topics:
1) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1689
by someone@enteract.com
2) Curiosity
by swanson@henge.com (Sheila Swanson)
3) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1690
by elliott@fxn.com (Elliott Kim)
4) (Near Cardiac Arrest0
by btomko@main.glasscity.net
5) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1690
by someone@enteract.com
6) Personal questions
by psull@ici.net (Pat Sullivan)
7) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1689
by raika@megatoon.com (Simon Asselin)
8) anyone going to these HORDE shows???
by Brian Cox <lerxst@metronet.com>
9) Zantac 75
by Adam Barnhart <adamb@cfmc.com>
10) Ibanez does not need pickle sundaes, though you may offer him hot fudge sundaes if you like
by RipZero <ripzero@dreamt.org>
11) Re: cd storage (NDTC)
by SaVeur <saveur@cais.cais.com>
12) picture on the WWW real soon.
by market@clubmet.metrobbs.com
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Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 11:02:47 -0500
From: someone@enteract.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1689
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19960715160247.0067e790@enteract.com>
>>(who is excellent, btw) left him despite having "endured" two albums with
>>Chuck. Without his contribution, Death crumbled apart, having no other
>>"regulars" on which to start over (the guitarist who played on Symbolic did
>>not tour with Death). IMHO, I would not think that Death could have
>>survived Hoglan's departure.
>
Um, maybe you're a newer Death fan, and in no way do I say that to belittle
you, but Sean Reinert's performance with Death and with Cynic are far more
complicated and IMO, better sounding than Hoglan's. When we went to see
Death after Individual Thought Patterns, Hoglan was pathetic. He couldn't
play Reinert's stuff to save his life. He even cheesed on the double bass.
I will say, however, that this guy must have worked his BALLS off, because
he was amazing on Symbolic. Almost as good as Reinert. He wasn't too
original thogh. I noticed a lit of Deen Castronovo rip offs, (Especially
this one ride thing, which he took right from Forbidden City on Marty
Friedman's Dragon Kiss.) There s no shortage of good double bass drummers
these days, and I think Chuck could have gotten any one of them. If I
remember correctly, I heard something from Chuck saying that he was doing
his side project before the last Death tour. That could just mean that
Chuck didn't care about Death as much as his other music, and went full on
into that. It happens.
>I guess it's not easy to be in a band with Chuck. However, I don't at all
>think Hoglan was essential to Death. Reinert did a beautiful job on Human.
>BTW, I'd love to see DiGiorgio come back on bass. Apparently, he's started
>his kinda jazz stuff going. So most probably, he wouldn't like to join
>Chuck again. Pity.
If you liked DiGiorgio, you have to see some of the live Shawn Malone
footage I have. Digiorgio had some cool ideas, but poor intonation. None
of those songs, from what I hear were first takes.
>>Fates Warning isn't metal. They were metal, but they aren't now.
>2. jazz/blues: Dream Theater
?????? Ummmm.... really?
Have any of you guys fund any new cool prog music? My most recent finds
have been Haji's Kitchen: 7 string, great drums, a few odd times, big shred
solos, but the music is much more song oriented than DT. Maybe I should say
more lyric oriented. The vocalist has a gritty voice, but is very much in
key. He fits well. They have eccelent harmonies a la Alice in Chains. The
band Crimeny is also very very similar to this band, but I prefer the vocals
on Haji's Kitchen. Both bands are on Shrapnel.
Then there's Masquerade, a Chicago (Finally a good band around here!)
based prog/metal band. The guitars are all detuned but very tight, and the
drumming is a little predictable. There's no shortage of cool shred solos
(Nothing as orchestrated as DT, but still up there on speed and content).
The vocals go from like a Hetfield growl type voice to something like Geoff
(This guy's voice is weird.... he has a HUGE range, but he changes
tonalities at different pitches) to something like Alice and Chains. He's
excellent. They have Harmonies which remind me of Extreme at times,
although they aren't singing about love and decadence dancing and stuff.
I'd say this band is like Practice What You Preach era Testament. A bit
more prog than that tho. This one's on Metal Blade.
Have any of you heard the band Conception? A buddy of mine showed me
the album, and it rocked. The guitarist could have been DiMeola! Totally
prog. The drums were like Portnoy and Zonder mixed. This one is one of
those albums any DT fan will like. Unfortunately, it's hard to get.
Independant lable and little distribution. Also, they have 3 albums, and
I've only heard one. They could be cheese on the earlier ones. Their
latest is amazing though.
Later!
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Chris, Khay, K, Bucketbot, etc...
"Spam is, in fact, a substance used for grouting; its food properties are
entirely incidental, and (some contend) satanic in
nature. May God save our heathen souls.
And true sycophants know how to spell "sycophancy",
because they can't get into the meetings otherwise. "
-Mike Keneally
~~~BUY "Perspectives"... by Jason Becker! Available at a store near you!~~~
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Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 10:15:41 -0600
From: swanson@henge.com (Sheila Swanson)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Curiosity
Message-ID: <199607151615.KAA27741@henge.com>
Hi everyone,
Well, after about two hours of surfing netscape, I concluded the following:
The Silverchair mailing list cares about nothing other than Daniel John's
appearance, and most lists make you subscribe before they give you an
address to post to. This means that I either have to risk subscribing, or I
have to get the addresses before I can carry out the survey on other lists.
If anyone out there belongs to an alternative music list, PLEASE send me the
address toi post to.
Rip,
I agree that the questions on the survey don't really prove anything. That
is why I made it known in my origional post that this is just done out of
curiosity. It's just a way for me to find out what the other jammers
interests are. Anyway, the way it looks, I won't be able to compare after
all. You find out so little about the jammers on the jam other than their
musical interests, and most people get flamed when they post other stuff.
Plus, it just seems interesting to me that maybe ytsejammers expect more
from themselves than most fan bases do.
Special thanks to all those who have replied already. Keep them coming.
By the way, for all those who respond, my name isn't Sheila. That's my
mom's name, and I have to use her account. BUMMER
My name is Cory Swanson
LATER
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Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 12:34:27 +0100
From: elliott@fxn.com (Elliott Kim)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1690
Message-ID: <19960715113422599.AAC124@ras4.fxn.com>
>From: Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
>Subject: merlo
>
>What do you expect from me Merlo? Do you expect me to welcome him back
>with open arms?
>
Aw shee-it. You two at it again?
>I dont see where you get off criticizing me for stating the fact that Al
>Balkewicz is a ripoff. There are a lot of new jammers who have not heard
>the fact that Al Balkewicz is a ripoff.
>
Well, exactly. A lot of new Jammers have not heard that Al Balkewicz is a
ripoff. It might be a good idea to warn them... Just a thought...
>From: rterry@inforamp.net (Rick Terry)
>Subject: Angra, Different Strings, 2112/Communism, Citizen Cain and Pendragon
> I'm not sure if communism would be as accurate as fascism. I
>see far more of Hitler than the cold war era Soviet rule in 2112. The
>priests are somewhat akin to the German propaganda ministry under
>Goebbels. It is also important to remember that Marx version of
>communism had none of the imperfections of the contemporary Soviet
>version. However, I can DEFINITELY see the linkage between 2112 and
>the Soviet Union under Kruschev.
>
I see what Neil Peart "borrowed" from to write the story. Of course it's
not an incredible revelation that it was inspired by Ayn Rand's novella,
"Anthem." Not only am I a fan of Ayn Rand, but of all those "Brave New
World" type stories like _Brave New World_, _1984_, the film _Demolition
Man_ etc... While your point is valid, I also see the "Brave New World"
type of story too - set in the future in a society ruled by a select few and
expression limited, blah blah blah....
-- Elliott Kim --------------------------------------------------------
--e l l i o t t @ f x n . c o m ----- E - M a n @ d r e a m t . o r g--
--h t t p : / / w w w . f x n . c o m / u s e r s / e / e l l i o t t--
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Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 12:40:18 -0400
From: btomko@main.glasscity.net
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: (Near Cardiac Arrest0
Message-ID: <B0000219301@home.glasscity.net>
What's that on the
radio.......what...yes.....it's............it's................ohmygod......
...."WORKING MAN"!
Mark
spector@dreamt.org
-or-
btomko@main.glasscity.net
"Jaco was astonished, Tony Levin thought me mad...
They sat awhile in silence, then they turned at last to me. We will call
you Spector; the god of Low Notes you shall be...."
-Rush (sort of)
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Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 11:44:54 -0500
From: someone@enteract.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1690
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19960715164454.006b66e0@enteract.com>
>I wouldn't separate dreams from nightmares because they're seldom distinct.
>As to whether you have control of your dreams, I'm not sure. In dreams,
>your subconsciousness takes over in two ways:
>
>1. you dream of the reality you long for
>2. you dream of the reality you are unaware of
>
>In 1. you can control things, in 2. you cannot. When you have a type-2
>dream, then you wake up with a new look on your life, unless you dont' give
>any importance to your dreams. By experience, though, you quickly learn to
>give importance to them, because they are dictated by your utmost
>sincerity.
>
>Does that make sense? hope so. If not, sorry for the bandwidth.
I sort of agree with this, although there are studies from such universities
as Stanford which suggest that you can control any dream with enough
practice. This is called Lucid dreaming. I had a friend from High school
who could do this almost every night. It's like taking reality and twisting
it to your whims every night.
>I dont see where you get off criticizing me for stating the fact that Al
>Balkewicz is a ripoff. There are a lot of new jammers who have not heard
>the fact that Al Balkewicz is a ripoff.
>
>I dont see how anyone can welcome back a known bad trader ripoff. I guess
>that shows the type of person you really are.
I welcome speaking to anyone who listens to good music. That doesn't mean I
trust them. Does that make me a bad person? I understand you got ripped
off, and I know that sucks, but please remember that all we need is a
warning... not a Manifesto.
>What's the big deal? If people want to use these substances, let them,
>especially if they know the risks involved. Strange, but I haven't seen
many >posts to the jam saying "how can he (insert name of token musician) be
so dumb >as to drink?". Don't forget, alcohol is an illegal substance in
large parts of >the world. Or have I missed all the posts saying "how could
he be so stupid as >to drive a car, he knew the risks?"? Is it purely
coincidence that the guy who >wants to sell you a new Ford is called a
dealer? Hmmm.
This is the single most disgusting rationalization I have ever heard! Ford
Dealer? Whatr the is that supposed to mean? If you want me to, I will get
preachy about drinking. I think any of these drugs are completely stupid!
Anyone who takes non prescribed drugs is wasting their life. Drug users
take drugs to feed an addiction or to make boredom more entertaining. Why
not make something of your time? People say that some artists would not
have been able to create their music without drugs or alcohol... that's
another excuse. It doesn't free up your mind, it closes more of it off.
And don't play the "risks of driving a car" game. Transpotation is a LITTLE
different than drug abuse... wouldn't you say?
>a young unmarried mother living in
>a shitty flat somewhere, no job, no real income, a baby to feed, no real past
>and no future - I can understand why some people take drugs.
You're saying that's a good thing? That's even more of a reason to stay off
drugs. A family to feed, and a struggle to make ends meet. Why would you
turn to drugs? To escape for 20 minutes? When that's done you are left
with less money than you started off with.
>Be honest, how many of you people out there in Cyberland don't use drugs in
one >form or another (coffee, tea, alcohol, illegal substances). How many of
you >couldn't get by without your daily 'fix' of Dream Theater?
I'll say I don't use drugs in these ways. Sure I drink caffiene, but only
because it's in some of the drinks I like. And i'm not condemning social
drinking or smoking, even though I don't do them. But there's a distinction
you must make when you say "Fix" of DT. Music will not harm you in any way
shape or form. Drugs tend to be the opposite.
This is kind of sad. I don't like to go off on anyone... but why do you
want to make it seem like a good idea to fuck yourself up? I think drugs
are a weakness... and that's why I avoid them. If you want to do them, I
wouldn't stop you if I could, but why rationalize taking them? And why say
it on the jam? Isn't that what they say they don't want to see on the
subscription rules?
Any of you addicts want to flame me for saying this stuff, I'll buy you a
lighter. I don't care. But I don't want the younger DT fans to see this
stuff and take it as a good way to reason out starting an addiction to
something that will only cause you harm.
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Chris, Khay, K, Bucketbot, etc...
"Spam is, in fact, a substance used for grouting; its food properties are
entirely incidental, and (some contend) satanic in
nature. May God save our heathen souls.
And true sycophants know how to spell "sycophancy",
because they can't get into the meetings otherwise. "
-Mike Keneally
~~~BUY "Perspectives"... by Jason Becker! Available at a store near you!~~~
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Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 13:03:43 -0400
From: psull@ici.net (Pat Sullivan)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Personal questions
Message-ID: <199607151656.MAA04994@kirk.ici.net>
>>Me and some guys on IRC hatched this mother of a plan. Here goes. I
>>want to profile the average YTSEJAMMER!!! I will take all your
>>responses and find what the average jammer is REALLY like. All you
>>have to do is answer these 4 SIMPLE questions:
Umm....I personally will not answer this poll for very simple reasons: The
musician question has been done before, the GPA and athlete questions are
really irrelevant and the amount of money I make is frankly nobody's damn
business.
Nothing personal, but I see absolutely no way to draw apicture of an average
ANYTHING from those questions.
>If you think it's stupid, just don't answer or at
>least wait until people come out answering it on the jam. I bet it took you
>more time shooting the poll down than it would've filling it in and posting
>it.
Hey, it's just an opinion - there's no need to tell him to clam up just
because he doesn't think the poll is a very good idea.
It's just that to get a true picture of an "average" jammer, you'd have to
ask a lot more questions that were a lot more intrusive. And I HIGHLY doubt
that you would get many responses then.
Then again, you may have already gotten a bunch or responses and *I'm* the
bonehead. :) To each his own.
__<psull@ici.net>__http://www.ici.net/cust_pages/psull/psull.html___
This space for rent...No pithy quotes need apply
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Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 12:57:57 -0400
From: raika@megatoon.com (Simon Asselin)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1689
Message-ID: <199607151657.MAA13066@dagon.megatoon.com>
>>(who is excellent, btw) left him despite having "endured" two albums with
>>Chuck. Without his contribution, Death crumbled apart, having no other
>>"regulars" on which to start over (the guitarist who played on Symbolic did
>>not tour with Death). IMHO, I would not think that Death could have
>>survived Hoglan's departure.
>
>I guess it's not easy to be in a band with Chuck. However, I don't at all
>think Hoglan was essential to Death. Reinert did a beautiful job on Human.
Yes, I agree completely. Reinert and Hoglan are two drum virtuosos. What
is so special about them is that they can switch from
brute-speed-double-bass kind of playing to very complex parts. Did you see
the video for "Lack Of Comprehension" from the album "Human"? Well, Reinert
looks like he's on heroin or something when doing those lightspeed double
bass parts. He went on to play on Cynic (another excellent performance
there...) but unfortunately they broke up, and I do not know what is going
on with them. Anyone does?
>BTW, I'd love to see DiGiorgio come back on bass. Apparently, he's started
>his kinda jazz stuff going. So most probably, he wouldn't like to join
>Chuck again. Pity.
DiGiorgio was the best Death bass player, IMO. In fact, the lineup for the
Individual Thought Patterns album was my favorite. You had the excellent
playing of Hoglan, DiGiorgio's cool bass licks, Laroque's mind-bending
guitar solos (so complex, man. they sound like easy, but they aren't...
best lead guitarist for Death, better than James Murphy. Have you noticed
how the guitar player for Symbolic tries to emulate the Laroque sound on the
few solos he plays?) and Chuck did his truly first prog-death work on this
one. I didn't like the "Philosopher" single, though...
Bye
Simon Asselin
raika@megatoon.com
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Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 12:31:12 -0500 (CDT)
From: Brian Cox <lerxst@metronet.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: anyone going to these HORDE shows???
Message-ID: <199607151731.AA09106@metronet.com>
hey i am roadtripping across america (again!) this time to see
king crimson. i will be at the aug 8, 9, and 10 shows in kansas
city, st louis, and nashville. if anyone will be at any of these
shows, please email me...ii need a big favor. also, if anyone in
these towns can supply crash space for me and my friend for these
nights, i can set them up with copies of some of my dream theater
DAT masters in return, or something else....
thanks..
oh yeah, these are HORDE shows...i forgot to mention that...
<><><><><><><><><> Brian V. Cox (lerxst@metronet.com) <><><><><><><><><>
<>Rush|Dream Theater|Queensryche|King's X|Echolyn|King Crimson|Voivod><>
"You have to systematically create confusion - it sets creativity free.
Everything that is contradictory creates life."
-Salvador Dali, 1980
<><><><><><><><><>DAT Taper/Trader - Email me for list<><><><><><><><><>
<><><><><><><><><>< http://www.metronet.com/~lerxst/ ><><><><><><><><><>
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Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 10:46:31 -0700
From: Adam Barnhart <adamb@cfmc.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Zantac 75
Message-ID: <199607151746.KAA10875@main.cfmc.com>
The wrath of Adam, after his workload lightens up a little bit. More musings:
>>>"All animals are created equal but animals are more equal than others."
>>> - can anyone name that quote?
>>
>>Charles Darwin -- 150 years ago.
>
>Uhhhh...I don't think so. It was George Orwell in "Animal Farm".
I guess some people don't appreciate a good (?) evolutionary biology joke.
Oh well, I guess I'm in the minority, reading Ernst Mayr and all.
>From: Mark Smeets <msmeets@ibm.net>
>
>The opening band opened up with Iron Maiden's the Trooper,
>being the Maiden fan I am, I shit myself silly, I still
>have the smile on my face, too bad the bassist did the bass
>line different, oh well, not everyone can hack a steve
>harris part.
Back in '92, my band played a little crappy club gig with a grindcore band.
We closed with "The Trooper." Inspired, they did, too....but it was some
weird sounding shit, man. The bass player just about hung....though I think
it's one of Steve Harris' easier tunes to take on....it ain't "ROTAM" or
anything....
>From: RipZero <ripzero@dreamt.org>
>
>>My wonder now is how FW are gonna make a song coherent across twice
>>that duration. IMO, only two bands have managed to do a coherent song
>>more than 20 mins:
>
>>Dream Theater: ACoS
>>Mekong Delta: Dances of Death
>
>i suppose youre excluding 2112 from that statement because everyone here
>knows of it... but bands like Iced Earth, who had a 17 minute song,
>Dante's Inferno, and Manowar, which has like a 30+ minute song, can
>still pull it off. besides, one of these days Beefquad-X is gonna write
>an 80 minute song.. maybe longer
Yeah, "2112" is the obvious call. "The Fountain of Lamneth is one second
short," and I think it hangs together pretty well, though it IS a little
weird. But has no one here ever heard of "Thick As A Brick?"
>From: Chris Oates <aspect@cats.ucsc.edu>
>
>Dammit, I forgot exactly what I was gonna post about, so I'll post something
>else. ;)
>
>ANy Jammers going to the Tori concert in San Jose on sunday the 14th? I'll
>be wearing a 'Jam shirt, so I won't be too hard to find. And hey, if any of
>us get her attention and she asks us fr a resuest, ask her if she knows any
>DT! :) Hey, maybe we'll get a cool rendition of WFS or SDV or something.
>Wouldn't it be neat?
>
> ~Chris
No, but I DID go to the show (the first one) she did at the Paramount in
Oakland on the 12th (and just a five minute drive from my digs in Alameda,
no less!). She was awfully good, but I hadn't seen her before....she played
most of the tunes a lot more rubato than I'd have done. Letting a song
breathe is done thing, doing CPR at the end of every phrase is quite another...
Adam D. Barnhart
adamb@cfmc.com
ydnt85a@prodigy.com
Five Gratuitous CD's:
=====================
1. The X Factor -- Iron Maiden
2. Sara Hickman -- Shortstop
3. Mental Relapse -- Urban Dance Squad
4. School Days -- Stanley Clarke
5. All The World's A Stage -- Rush
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Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 12:55:11 -0500
From: RipZero <ripzero@dreamt.org>
To: Heavy Metal Computer Nerds <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Ibanez does not need pickle sundaes, though you may offer him hot fudge sundaes if you like
Message-ID: <31EA85FF.3B8E@dreamt.org>
>I'm sorry to get you on this, but why take even more bandwidth than the
>poll itself (which hopefully will be done privately if not I YELL),
>arguing the irrelevance of it. If you think it's stupid, just don't
>answer or at least wait until people come out answering it on the jam.
>I bet it took you more time shooting the poll down than it would've
>filling it in and posting it.
yeah but now i can bitch the same thing back at you if i want :) jams
are quite few and far between lately, theres not much bandwith to waste,
besides, i had fun with my ridiculation ;) i was actually surprised to
get 2 jams this mornin'
>i don't know much about their music (somebody stole my siamese dream
>seedy after first two listens) but those guys can definitely play
>their instruments. i read somewhere that the the corgan-dude has been
>playing since early childhood and he comes from an extremely musical
>background, so there you have it.
surprisingly, yes, they ARE talented. like i said, just listen to Gish.
theres solos n shit! it wasnt prog, but it was definately rock. the
fact that they've boiled down to what they are now depresses me a bit...
siamease dream was decent... mellon collie is just random power chords
in key, and the softer songs on it dont pull in any direction. it seems
to me like theyre being one of those bands trying to forget their talent
due to the trends of the 90s...
dug out an old Faith No More cd! Sheeot! what ever happened to these
guys either?
~Rip
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Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 14:09:38 -0400
From: SaVeur <saveur@cais.cais.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: cd storage (NDTC)
Message-ID: <199607151809.OAA12688@cais.cais.com>
>Anyway, I am about to move next week,
>and I have over 600 cd's. I would like
[...snip...]
>display. Any ideas?
my brother has something around 600 cds. he keeps all the jewel cases in
regular boxes in the closet and keeps the cds in 1 of 5 multidisc changers.
that way he can listen to any cd he wants anytime. course, it's not very
economical ;)
btw, wutever happened to Dr. Mosh?
j o h n s a v e u r @ c a i s . c o m
e
n
s h t t p : / / w w w . s i t e . g m u . e d u / ~ j j e n s /
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Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 13:14:38 -0500
From: market@clubmet.metrobbs.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: picture on the WWW real soon.
Message-ID: <TCPSMTP.16.7.15.13.14.38.4288.1856@clubmet.metrobbs.com>
For those of you who are waiting to see the new Dream Theater
stickers on the internet...it should be any day now. Thank
you all again for being so patient!
Thanks again!
(look in the DT merchandise section)
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