YTSEJAM Digest 1709
Today's Topics:
1) The Great Van Halen Travesty! (Sorry, NDTC)
by "Frank Benenati" <mojonet@pb.net>
2) Geez.
by Ben Laussade <laussade@enet.net>
3) oh, the same old tripe
by The Digital Man <cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu>
4) New SUPERIOR Page!!!
by Bernd Basmer <basmer@med-rz.uni-sb.de>
5) Clicks not necessary? Hmm...
by "Madelaine d'Ambert" <maddy@enteract.com>
6) Re: Van Halen is washed out....(NO DTC)
by William T Bajzek <wb2a+@andrew.cmu.edu>
7) Nothing cool from EVH..huh?
by Edward Ip <edwardip@ACSU.Buffalo.EDU>
8) clicks and maybe some other stuff
by SaVeur <saveur@cais.cais.com>
9) Alternative Math
by btomko@home.glasscity.net
10) Queensryche CD-Rom
by <CNG@tcco.com> (Chung Ng)
11) ...no subject...
by <CNG@tcco.com> (Chung Ng)
12) New Bands
by <CNG@tcco.com> (Chung Ng)
13) Musikfest '96
by dneff@maaco.com (David Neff)
14) RE: YTSEJAM digest 1708
by "Frank Benenati" <mojonet@pb.net>
15) pIRCh, DT tribute thoughts (encore une fois!)
by rterry@inforamp.net (Rick Terry)
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Date: Tue, 23 Jul 1996 01:51:57 -0400
From: "Frank Benenati" <mojonet@pb.net>
To: "ytsejam@ax.com" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Cc: "cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu" <cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu>
Subject: The Great Van Halen Travesty! (Sorry, NDTC)
Message-ID: <199607230554.WAA16479@mindcrime.ax.com>
> From: Randall Braun <RBraun@tlr.ameridata.com>
> Subject: Edgy Van Heflen & the Slackers
Not a wise choice of words with me on the Jam....
> More on VH....
Geez....for a sec I hoped it was something worthwhile....
>
> IMHO Eddie VH could become a world-class guitarist if he'd loose those
> slackers and losers which call themselves his "band".
I guess Alex isn't as important....shit....he even shares the name...
Mike Anthony isn't needed either....although his contribution to VH (his
background vocals and bass lines) could easily be replaced by a castrated
boy...
> He could also drop
> that zit-puckered teenage hormone music and write some stuff that shows
some
> creativity--
I hate to break the news to you, Randy....but Van Halen's music HAS
become more insightful after "The Movie Star" quit the band...
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>
> From: vestal@usa.net (DUSTY VESTAL)
> Subject: Van Halen is washed out....(NO DTC)
Hmmmm...I may agree with this title....but for different reasons...
>
> Plus, Eddie hasn't put out anything interesting on guitar. It all seems
to
> sound the same....
Please fill me in on what brand of crack you are smoking...
> I know alot of people think that Dave is more of a
> showman, (*SNIP*)
Think??????? Oh man....I'd say that we can dispense with the opinion
word and get
down to cold hard fact!
> At least every song wasn't a love song back then......
I'll start when Sammy joined:
Good Enough; Get Up; Dream; Summer Nights; Best of Both Worlds; 5150;
Inside;
Mine All Mine; Naturally Wired (AFU); Cabo Wabo; Source of Infection;
Sucker In a 3 Piece;
A Apolitical Blues; Poundcake; Judgement Day; Spanked; Runaround; Pleasure
Dome;
Man on A Mission; In and Out; Right Now; Standing On Top Of The World; The
Seventh Seal;
Don't Tell Me; Amsterdam; Big Fat Money; Aftershock; Baluchitherium; Take
Me Back; Feelin';
Human's Being; Respect The Wind...
ALL of these songs are rock songs...and I wouldn't classify them as Love
songs...
(maybe there is a smal amount of gray area here....but no where near
enough to support
your claim!) I didn't even include the rocking covers that VH has done
live with Sammy.....
I guess If you are gonna cover a group....it's better to cover a Linda
Ronstadt song
(No Good) instead of something by Zepplin or The Who.....right?????
(Come on Dusty, give me a break!)
> Yea, Dave
> needs to stay off the booz, but he needs to give VH the kick in the
pants
> that they need...Dusty
Hmmmm...I think Dave isn't in a position to call the shots in Van Halen
right now...
because Eddie is giving dave a chance to pull himself out of bankruptcy
and obscurity!
M O J O M A N !!!!
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Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 23:12:04 -0700
From: Ben Laussade <laussade@enet.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Geez.
Message-ID: <199607230612.XAA05989@maple.enet.net>
>He could also drop
>that zit-puckered teenage
Hey.....what's wrong with teenagers with zits? I resemble that remark!
>
>Hmmmm . . . Jams don't take up RAM _OR_ hard drive space on my little
>'puter. My (Netcom) mail server stores 'em for me. Isn't that the
>norm?
Actually, no. I store all my Jam's on my computer. But, I also have a 1.2GB
hard drive and no games on it, so maybe it doesn't count. :-)
>I know, I know - I have underwear older than most of you . . .
WTMFI.
>
> This thought just occured to me. Why don't we have a YTSE-GOLF
>outing? I'm sure I would clean house on all of you. But seriously it would
>be fun to have a tournament. Thoughts would be appreciated.
The same reason we don't sit around for hours watching the grass grow. It's
BORING. <grin> (and don't say "how do you know?! yo've never tried it!"
because I have, and i really wanted to play, but i couldn't because it just
didn't entertain me.)
>does anyone know the _name_ of the new cd?
Nope, but I bet it will come from the lyrics of one of the songs.
And on the seventh day he.....MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!
Ben Laussade
laussade@enet.net -or- ytse-ben@dreamt.org
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/7874/
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Date: Tue, 23 Jul 1996 02:46:17 -0400 (EDT)
From: The Digital Man <cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu>
To: Ytse Jam <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: oh, the same old tripe
Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9607230204.I12528-0100000@griffin.emba.uvm.edu>
> From: "John R. Kotzian" <koggie@cyberspace.org>
> Subject: Rush Tribute
>
> I stated here on the 'jam earlier that my contact at Magna Carta
> assured me that the Rush Trib would be released on July 23rd. Well, the
> day after I posted that, he called me to tell me that it will be released
> on August 6th.
Damn. Now I have to do work today. :(
----> From: hawkeye7@ix.netcom.com (Larry Odneal) > Subject: Re: Almost forgot to make a smartass remark . . . > > Chris Ptacek wrote: > > >I play guitar and have 7/8 years of experience. > > Wow, Chris - you've been playing for (whips out calculator) . . . > 320.25 days (it's a leap year).
Yeah, but he can't play 4 quarter notes in a row. It's always three quarters and then an eighth.
(Yeah, it was bad, but I'm tired.)
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> From: Imxtnit@aol.com > Subject: Clockwork, Thanks, and mini-DTC > > Hey all, > > Last Friday i received *Clockwork -- Weaving Webs of Time* from their drummer > Anthony Sciamanna.
Why have I heard so much about this band recently? Who are they? Where do I get some?
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> From: Mithrandir <mithrandir@pb.net> > Subject: Metropolis pt II + Golf clubs > > This thought just occured to me. Why don't we have a YTSE-GOLF > outing? I'm sure I would clean house on all of you. But seriously it would > be fun to have a tournament. Thoughts would be appreciated.
The ol' hit it and chase it game? No thanks. I like my billiards on much smaller tables.
> > Senor D-Man. Why not leave from Senor MOJO's house? The Manhasset > line is quicker than the Montauk line, with less stops.
Yeah, but then I'd have to drive up there. :)
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On a completely unrelated note (was that F# or F Sharp?), we got really goofy tonight on IRC, and started wondering what would happen if the band members had gotten into a different line of work.
What if DT was one of those haircut bands? Would we be subscribed to the YtseGlam? What if we found out that they've been lip-synching this whole time? YtseScam? What if they had gone into waterway engineering? YtseDam? What if George Michael joined the group? YtseWham? What's that new Mike Bahr cd called? YtseSFAM? What if they played in drag? YtseMa'am? What if they were seafood chefs? YtseClam? What if everyone moshed at the Malibu? YtseSlam? Who's that rockin' cabbie? YtsePam?
We went on for far too long with these. If you thought of it, so did we. :) I really should sleep more.
------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Digital Man \|/ ____ \|/ Secretary cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu "@'/ ,. \`@" UVM Comp Sci Student Assn d-man@dreamt.org /_| \__/ |_\ "He won't need a bed http://www.emba.uvm.edu/~cmerlo \__U_/ He's a digital man" - Peart
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Date: Tue, 23 Jul 1996 08:54:28 +0200 From: Bernd Basmer <basmer@med-rz.uni-sb.de> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: New SUPERIOR Page!!! Message-ID: <9607230654.AA21387@krzsun.med-rz.uni-sb.de>
Hi all!
Just wanted to tell you that there is a NEW SUPERIOR WWW-PAGE. Our friend Jason Skewes has set this up and you can find it at
http://www.why.net/users/jskewes/superior.html
He told me that it's still under construction and that there will be some nice sound samples and other things soon.
Go and have a look at it. I like it very much. :)
Thanks Jason!!!
All for now.
Bye.
Bernd.
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Date: Tue, 23 Jul 1996 07:01:43 -0500 (CDT) From: "Madelaine d'Ambert" <maddy@enteract.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Clicks not necessary? Hmm... Message-ID: <1.5.4.16.19960723065222.18bffc70@enteract.com>
> From: "Chris Ptacek" <someone@enteract.com> > Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1702 > > Ummm... really quick... I just wanted to say in regards to click > tracks, you NEED them in the studio (And DT uses them) and they are > helpful live, though generally the thrill of playing live keeps many > people in time.
>Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 22:23:21 -0400 (EDT) >From: The Digital Man <cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu> > >I completely, 100% disagree with this. If you have the feel among the >band, you don't need the click. If you need the click, you don't have >the vibe, and you're going to sound lousy anyway.
Had to put my $0.02 in.... I don't know if you've ever worked in a studio before, but unless you're recording jazz or vocal ensembles, each person records separately, hence, the "feel among the band" is lost...Ever try to take visual cues from a tape machine?? :) Besides, on LIT, they show Kevin playing along with a click track...Guess that means DT doesn't have the vibe, eh? Pity....
;)
-Maddy
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Date: Tue, 23 Jul 1996 08:44:44 -0400 (EDT) From: William T Bajzek <wb2a+@andrew.cmu.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Van Halen is washed out....(NO DTC) Message-ID: <0lxAYw200YUd02KFY0@andrew.cmu.edu>
correction... Van Halen is washed up... his *guitar sound* is washed out. hope this helps
we'll steal your dreams ----william bajzek---- the realm of the freaks control your minds ------------http://--------- is to solve the demise persecute the fools ----phoebe.dws.acs.cmu.edu---- ravage the lifeless left behind -------------------/~wb2a/---------------- blinded by lies
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Date: Tue, 23 Jul 1996 09:37:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Edward Ip <edwardip@ACSU.Buffalo.EDU> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Nothing cool from EVH..huh? Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.93.960723091714.7756A-100000@autarch.acsu.buffalo.edu>
Personally, I enjoyed Hagar hell of a lot more than Roth. Let just say talent is on Hagar's side.
Another Jammer mentioned EVH haven't done anything cool or interesting lately. Well, my question for that person(s) is, Have you seen Twister (the movie)? or heard the Twister sound track?
Everyone knows about "Humans Being", but I don't think too many even thought about the last track on the sound track or the last track in the movie. I believe the title is "Respect the wind". First I thought it was done by Joe Satriani, Vai or even Steve Morse, but nope, it was done by the king himself, EVH and along with Alex. It's a Solo piece. Instrumental with Synth. and of course, guitar.
Ed
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Date: Tue, 23 Jul 1996 10:07:15 -0400 From: SaVeur <saveur@cais.cais.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: clicks and maybe some other stuff Message-ID: <199607231407.KAA02416@cais.cais.com>
d-man sed: >some text and run a program, and it creates 2 web pages for me. I just >have to get my linked lists to play nicely. :)
sorted, right? how about doubly-linked? try using threaded binary search trees if yer really bored ;)
~clicks:
Chris <someone@enteract.com> asked: >> BTW, playing on a click is more difficult and requires more musicianship >> than playing without one. > >How do you figure?!?
because the click is constant and doesn't change tempo whereas humans can and do. even the person deemed to have the "best timing" will stray. and it's for this reason that some of the best drummers can be found in industrial-type bands. playing to a digital recording over and over, nite after nite takes real musicianship.
Chris later sed: > Ummm... really quick... I just wanted to say in regards to click > tracks, you NEED them in the studio (And DT uses them) and they are > helpful live, though generally the thrill of playing live keeps many > people in time.
and then d-man replied: >I completely, 100% disagree with this. If you have the feel among the >band, you don't need the click. If you need the click, you don't have >the vibe, and you're going to sound lousy anyway.
there's a difference between playing w/ a feel and playing w/ a click. if you have the feel and don't play w/ a click, then you should play at the same tempo and everything will sound correct. if you don't have the feel and try playing to a click, it'll sound like crap.
as for the vibe-having or the non-vibe-having, it depends on what the performers are going for. i've seen several "trippy" bands that just kinda weave in and out of a tempo but they all do it at the same time; sounds fine. i've also seen bands who wish to perform live /exactly/ as it sounds on the cd. and to do this they use a click. i know they're good enough to play w/o the click, they just wish to be precise.
then Maddy <maddy@enteract.com> sed: >Besides, on LIT, they show Kevin playing along with a click track...Guess
i think there's also a half second of John M. playing w/ a metronome. course, i might be imagining it. wouldn't surprise me. anyway, someone whip it out (LiT u dork) and verify.
j o h n s a v e u r @ c a i s . c o m e n s h t t p : / / w w w . s i t e . g m u . e d u / ~ j j e n s /
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Date: Tue, 23 Jul 1996 10:47:02 -0400 From: btomko@home.glasscity.net To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Alternative Math Message-ID: <B0000247086@home.glasscity.net>
Ever wonder how much longer the alternative craze will last? When will people finally get bored of three chord progressions? Well, having done significant research on the topic, I have some information for you. For my work, I have used a total of seven different chords (Major, Minor, 7th, 7sus, Minor 7th, and 9th). Whether the average alternative guitarist actually knows and uses these chords is anyone's guess. (Whether an alternative guitarist actually knows what a chord is is anyone's guess) These seven chords, times twelve different pitches in the chromatic scale results in eighty-four possible chords. Assuming that each alternative chord progression consists of an average of three chords, it can be determined that 95,284 different three-chord progressions are possible. If every alternative song requires three different three-chord progressions (yes, this is asking a lot), a total of approximately 144,176,678,822,000 alternative songs exist. This allows for 14,417,667,882,200 ten song albums. If each band releases an average of two albums before a member of the band kills himself or dies of an drug overdose, a total of 7,208,833,941,100 alternative bands can exist before they run out of song material. Yes, guys, this thing's not gonna blow over soon. There is, however, something to be done about it. We must find a way to use up their material as quickly as possible. This means compromising our high standards, but it is for a good cause. We need to begin going through chord progressions as fast as possible, and run the alternative song reservoir dry. What will this require? Three fifty dollar pieces of equipment (guitar, distortion pedal, amp), a bad haircut, a shotgun, and a warehouse chock full o' heroin. Get moving, men. It is your patriotic duty. Mark Tomko spector@dreamt.org -or- btomko@main.glasscity.net
Pennies on the Ground=Tax Free Income
"Jaco was astonished, Tony Levin thought me mad..." "They sat awhile in silence, then they turned at last to me. We will call you Spector; the god of Low Notes you shall be...." -Rush
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Date: Tue, 23 Jul 96 11:02:38 EDT From: <CNG@tcco.com> (Chung Ng) To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Queensryche CD-Rom Message-ID: <vines.3hH8+wACxlA@tcx.tcco.com>
I heard on the radio (many, many months ago) that there was a Queensryche CD-Rom available somewhere. I had forgotten about it until someone I met mentioned it to me again. Does anyone know if there is one available in the states?
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Date: Tue, 23 Jul 96 11:11:27 EDT From: <CNG@tcco.com> (Chung Ng) To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: ...no subject... Message-ID: <vines.3hH8+3fCxlA@tcx.tcco.com>
> From: The Digital Man <cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu> > > I completely, 100% disagree with this. If you have the feel among the > band, you don't need the click. If you need the click, you don't have > the vibe, and you're going to sound lousy anyway.
I totally, absolutely, completely, 110% disagree with this :) There is nothing wrong with click tracks. Every one of my teachers has had me play with a metronome and it has definitely made me a better player. Playing around with friends is fine without one, but if I was going to be putting something on tape, I'd want it perfect.
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Date: Tue, 23 Jul 96 11:17:42 EDT From: <CNG@tcco.com> (Chung Ng) To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: New Bands Message-ID: <vines.3hH8+njCxlA@tcx.tcco.com>
I just got my DreamDisc catalog and have looked through it about 7 times already. It's got so much stuff!!! They give brief descriptions and comparisons, but I ONLY trust you guys for opinions, so I'd appreciate any opinions on some of the following bands before I order them:
Parish (ex-Crimson Glory), Psycho Drama, Kamelot, Stratovarious, Threshold, Dreamlore, Bourne Wisdom, Asgard.
They're all listed as either "Dream Theater influenced" or "Progressive melodic metal"
Thanks.
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Date: Tue, 23 Jul 1996 12:18:35 -0600 From: dneff@maaco.com (David Neff) To: ytsejam@ax.com ('on-line "Ytse-Jammers"') Subject: Musikfest '96 Message-ID: <1996Jul23.120100.1059.5263@smtp.maaco.com>
Howdy All!
If anyone is planning to go to Musikfest '96, please drop me a line!
It's August 10 - 18 in Bethlehem, PA. There will be over 650 performances by more than 300 bands & artists. All but a few shows are free and there is no admission charge.
If you think you might be interested, they have a homepage at http://www.musikfest.org
I hope to see some of you there! - Dave (dneff@maaco.com)
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Date: Tue, 23 Jul 1996 12:20:11 -0400 From: "Frank Benenati" <mojonet@pb.net> To: "ytsejam@ax.com" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: RE: YTSEJAM digest 1708 Message-ID: <199607231622.JAA22374@mindcrime.ax.com>
Two things:
1) LEAVING FOR THE CLINIC : Leaving from Manhasset is going to be cheaper (RVC is in zone 7...Manhasset zone 4) ....and slightly quicker......Just a thought... you guys decide...Id be willing to meet in Manhasset.... 2) YTSE-GOLF OUTING : John....Great Fucking Idea!!!!!! Any Jammers in the NY Area that play golf....(or pretend to, like myself) that would like to get together for the Long Island Ytse-Golf Classic.....PLEASE E-mail me personally at: mojonet@pb.net
Hope to hear from all of the Ytse-Golfers......
M O J O M A N !! ! !!!!
P.S. Senor Cahill.....your righty clubs are in my car waiting for some action!
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Date: Tue, 23 Jul 1996 16:57:26 GMT From: rterry@inforamp.net (Rick Terry) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: pIRCh, DT tribute thoughts (encore une fois!) Message-ID: <31f4fe58.65580@mail.inforamp.net>
Hi Folks,
>Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 12:15:26 -0700 >From: Jeremy Hyde <tempus@allinux1.alliance.net>
>>(Of course, I realize not everyone will be able to use pIRCh to chat) > >Ahh, yes, you are so very correct. These bios are a much better alternative >(oh sin of all sins!) to going to their page and finding out about them. Of >course not everyone has a scanner :( > >>Get yer copy of pIRCh @ http://www.bcpl.lib.md.us/~frappa/pirch.html
What are the minimum system requirements to use pIRCh. I know a lot of folks on #YTSEJAM use it and I'm curious about it. Is it functionally better than mIRC? Also, wasn't someone here developing an IRC app? It was called something like mIRC and Words?
>And here's everyone's favorite Canadian jammer...
Hang on! I feel a power blush coming on! Everyone look away from your monitor. Don't look directly at the red light!! :)
> Exactly, man. I've gone through so much shit trying to get a damn >band together that I've thought about actually giving up bass, singing, and >listening to music altogether. Fortunately (or unfortunately) I have gotten >that bunch of nonsense out of my head (at least for the moment). Now, this >whole judging thing would do the same thing to about 100 jammers (approx). >I, myself, would fear a few really critical jammers being on this panel of >"judges." I'm not going to name names, but you know who you are.
Favoritism was something I was worried about in all of this too. This is a fairly democratic forum, but strange things can happen when people get in front of a recording desk. I just would hate to see anyone hurt because of exclusion. Yeah, I'm a bleeding heart liberal! YOU GOT A PROBLEM WITH THAT!!?? :)
> I personally think that the tapes idea is far better, because one >can only fit so much on one CD. Thus, leaving people out.
A good point and one that I hadn't really considered. I do think if this goes ahead that Bernd and Mike should do the production though. It would save a fortune. Mike probably knows the band better than the rest of us and Bernd has already been through this. They would make a great team. Hmmmmm... Basmer-Bahr Productions..... hmmmmmmm. Has a nice sound to it! :) The tapes would enable us to make it a double length project. Also, we should all keep something in mind. We all have spoken about whether or not we have the chops to pull off the instrumental sections of the work. Why not do our own takes on the stuff? Personalize it. After all, TSM was redone in a heavy form at the Christmas shows and that was a HUGE deviation from the original. Look at it this way. I doubt that there are enough of us here with the same musical training as DT to do perfect covers of the stuff. So why not have some fun with it. Mike's AD disc shows them experimenting with their material. We can too! Here's another thought. Does anyone have any original material that they would like to record as part of the project in a DT vein? Perhaps we could GIVE a song to the band! How'd you like to have fans all over the globe listening to Song X by Ytsejam as interpreted by DT!?
Cheers,
Rick Toronto
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