YTSEJAM digest 1731

From: ytsejam@ax.com
Date: Wed Jul 31 1996 - 10:02:38 EDT

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    Today's Topics:

      1) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1724
     by akyuz@ltp.dmx.epfl.ch
      2) Business
     by Bernd Basmer <basmer@med-rz.uni-sb.de>
      3) sieges uneven
     by akyuz@ltp.dmx.epfl.ch
      4) sorry and etc.
     by akyuz@ltp.dmx.epfl.ch
      5) whoa...shit
     by akyuz@ltp.dmx.epfl.ch
      6) NDTC whatsoever
     by akyuz@ltp.dmx.epfl.ch
      7) over and out
     by akyuz@ltp.dmx.epfl.ch
      8) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1730
     by "Mark A. Richman" <mrichman@li.net>
      9) Re: MP CLINIC COLUMBUS
     by dantemm@erinet.com (Dan Temmesfeld)
     10) Re: Metal Blade / GC
     by dantemm@erinet.com (Dan Temmesfeld)
     11) KX label-shopping (NDTC)
     by dantemm@erinet.com (Dan Temmesfeld)
     12) ATTN: Detroit Jammers!!!! Help wanted!!!!
     by dantemm@erinet.com (Dan Temmesfeld)
     13) Jason Becker
     by wots@freenet.hut.fi (not x)
     14) Hey, I got an idea
     by "Jeffrey Hochberg" <jeffrey_hochberg@CCGATEWAY.AMC.EDU>
     15) king's x setlist *spoilers*
     by Brian Cox <lerxst@metronet.com>

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    Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 11:58:03 +0200
    From: akyuz@ltp.dmx.epfl.ch
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1724
    Message-ID: <v02130500ae24ce1a8531@[128.178.99.94]>

    >Dave, please remember that some of us have school. I think it'd be a better
    >idea to wait until next summer, so we could get everybody at a recording
    >studio at the same time. This way, certain people (me) could save up for
    >plane tickets or whatever to get where we want to go, and songs could be
    >perfected and/or learned. It would suck to spend all the money on getting
    >there and booking a studio and finding out that someone didn't learn the
    >song completely. I want to do it NOW!!!!! too, but it's just not as feasible.

    OK Ben, point taken. So let's keep it cooking through till next summer!

    >Well, because if you don't I'll kill you all. A lot.

    Yeah. A lot. I've got nine lives.

    miaouuw

    :-)

    >And, before I spam the jam or send something to the wrong person, where do I
    >send the list of songs that I'm capable of covering for the Trib? To you,
    >Dave, or to you, Rick?

    memememememememememememememememooooooooo!

    >Sure. I don't think anybody was looking to make a profit with this.

    exact

    >>Sorry if reality isn't CONSTRUCTIVE enough for you, but this game
    >>plan ain't gonna roll. Not yet anyway.
    >Sorry....but FUCK YOU! Just because YOU don't want to do it doesn't mean
    >it's not going to work. Nobody said anything about selling it, and if need
    >be, a few jammers establish communacation with members of DT once in a
    >while, if we need authorization. Go be a pessimist somewhere else.
    >>his is all fine and dandy, but are you REALLY going to ask
    >>musicians from around the world to spend the bucks to travel WITH
    >>GEAR to record a cd that may well end up earning HUGE legal
    >>penalties?
    >
    >Nobody's making anybody do anything.

    a bit harsh there but fuck it. All well said!

    >The sound quality would suffer soooo baaaaad. Recording drums with one
    >microphone on the table next to you sounds really REALLY bad. If ONE person
    >would volunteer to bring a drumkit, and a few others bass and guitar amps,
    >and keyboards, then nobody else would have to bring anyting but they're bass
    >or guitar and drumsticks. Amps, keyboards and drums seem like the least
    >personal instruments, meaning that playing somebody else's wouldn't effect
    >your playing.

    It's as simple as that. I mean that's not what's gonna determine if this is
    feasible or not. It's our capability of playing the songs. So let's send
    our lists, please. This already will take a lot of time for each to figure
    out which song they can play 100%. Also many can almost do songs but need
    more time to reach 100%.

    >>If you desire to live forever ... e-mail me privately ...
    >>103430.227@compuserve.com

    I desire learning to live

    >Mark Laussade

    eh?

    > A band in Hamilton looking for a drummer in vain of Dream Theater
    >and Queensryche.
    > The two hosts pause and then laugh and say "hehe, good luck!!
    >Drummers like those do not come around very often!!"

    so they'll keep searching in VAIN. ;-): (goofy smiley)

    ........................................................................
    D A V E K I N G
    vox & bass MT-20

    "holding on is easier than letting go" (fw)

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    Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 12:32:53 +0200
    From: Bernd Basmer <basmer@med-rz.uni-sb.de>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Business
    Message-ID: <9607311032.AA02188@krzsun.med-rz.uni-sb.de>

    Hi.

    I'm a little disapointed at the moment. I just dicovered that
    this music business sucks. Why do they want to tell us what kind
    of music we have to play and what cover we have to take for the
    next albums... Can't believe it. We're still negotiating...
    Sorry for wasting space here...

    bye.

    Bernd.

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    Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 12:57:11 +0200
    From: akyuz@ltp.dmx.epfl.ch
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: sieges uneven
    Message-ID: <v02130501ae24e89ec05b@[128.178.99.94]>

    >Finally, there's the band Sieges Even. I can find one of their disks on
    >the net for sale, but it's one of their older ones (and someone described
    >their singer at that time as the worst lead singer of all time - Period.)
    >I guess since then they've changed lead singers and sound much better
    >now. Can anyone recommend a disk from them (and more importantly, where
    >I can find it???) For those of you who don't know, supposedly Sieges
    >Even is as technical throughout their albums as the middle of
    >Metropolis. I just can't find any of their stuff that doesn't have their
    >sucky singer!
    >Another paraphrase of a review of their older album - "It's amazing what
    >they can do. All the instruments are so tight and busy. It's really
    >quite astounding. And then there's the singer... When you hear it,
    >there's all this technical stuff going on, and then there's this silly
    >guy wailing his lungs out over it. After a while it's just funny and you
    >can learn to ignore his voice and enjoy the music..."

    I got to put my ears on one of their album in 1993 i think. It sounded more
    like a bunch of show-off music more than anything else. Plus there was this
    singer with an awful agzent. Damn.

    >Actually it might be interesting to hear what the worst singer of all
    >time sounds like... ;)

    I know who that is. I hear him every day (see .sig) ;-))

    >permission from the band and the record company. Why would they give us
    >permission?? Magna Carta has a record label and known musicians and Rush is
    >bitching at them about recording a tribute. Wake up and smell the Beefquad-X.

    Rush's MANAGEMENT

    >Well you better be ready to make a hole in your wallet. Studio time is
    >expensive. Recording requires time and money. No offense but I doubt you
    >have much at 14. So if you don't want to make a profit what are you planning
    >on doing? Recording it, losing lots of money, and then spending more to make
    >enough copies so everybody can have one?

    You're beside the point, dude. This is not about making money, but interest
    and passion. And I can tell you that I've got a few grands-worth of 'em.
    And that'll put a strain on my wallet, for sure. So anyone who's gonna get
    into this better know the sacrifices involved. At the end, if this works
    out, we'll know that the ones on the record will be the most devoted
    musico-jammers on earth. :-)

    Later,

    ........................................................................
    D A V E K I N G
    vox & bass MT-20

    "holding on is easier than letting go" (fw)

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    Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 13:12:21 +0200
    From: akyuz@ltp.dmx.epfl.ch
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: sorry and etc.
    Message-ID: <v02130503ae24ece0c08a@[128.178.99.94]>

    Hi y'all again,

    Sorry first of all for all this bandwith. It's that I'm off on holidays
    till August 12th and I'm catching up on a dozen or so jams and this is my
    last day at work and I'm (shut up Dave)

    >>And, before I spam the jam or send something to the wrong person, where do I
    >>send the list of songs that I'm capable of covering for the Trib? To you,
    >>Dave, or to you, Rick?
    >
    > I would offer to assist in the collection process, but I'm
    >just about to start my much deserved holidays and may be away from the
    >jam for a bit.
    > Therefore, I would suggest that Dave receive lists if he has
    >no objection.

    No objection. Please hold your mails till I'm back please. Our server can
    hold Gigas, but again I don't wanna take the risk of undelivered mails.

    >using a TASCAM setup and a vocal processor to remove James and insert
    >myself.

    I've already heard of such equipment. Could you quote the name and price?

    >>Hi,just got my parallel's album from FW,a friend lent it to me,actually
    >>i took it from his desk, and i have to say its pretty cool,its cool
    >>to find that Labrie did background vocals on one song,but i cant still
    >>really notice him,
    >
    >Whoa..he did? Which song?

    Life in Still Water

    >Actually, I have lots of money coming to me in the next few months. Watching
    >neighbor's dog (they're RICH neighbors) for about $100, and going to be

    got a better idea. lay their daughter! ;-^)

    >Yes, actually. Depending on how much money I end up with, I'd help pay for
    >other Jammers to get to wherever we'd record this.

    serious?

    ........................................................................
    D A V E K I N G
    vox & bass MT-20

    "holding on is easier than letting go" (fw)

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    Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 13:22:54 +0200
    From: akyuz@ltp.dmx.epfl.ch
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: whoa...shit
    Message-ID: <v02130504ae24f0829b1b@[128.178.99.94]>

    Chris wrote:
    >You don't understand the music business that well. DT may not have
    >the right to authorize the use of their music in this form.

    (Flame mode off anyway cos I can't be bothered)
    Chris, get a fuckin clue will ya? We're taking our chances at this. If it
    works ok if not ok but we'll have tried. DT don't either have the right to
    indulge with Mike Bahr, right?

    Plus I've already posted on how to go about releasing covers on a CD. These
    are all things that are legally provided for. And you don't need shit
    authorisation from anyone as long as you're not arranging the songs. That's
    how copyright works. You pay the rights, and sue you no one should.

    Jens wrote:
    >hehe don't i wish. no, our fav bassist and myself share the same first name;
    >we both play bass; we both have long hair and that's probly where the
    >similarities end. i'll get around to renaming the page...eventually.

    do you also have a moonface? :-)

    ........................................................................
    D A V E K I N G
    vox & bass MT-20

    "holding on is easier than letting go" (fw)

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    Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 13:34:40 +0200
    From: akyuz@ltp.dmx.epfl.ch
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: NDTC whatsoever
    Message-ID: <v02130505ae24f41f7465@[128.178.99.94]>

    Hey I'm really starting to feel embarrassed sending all this crap to the
    jam but I couldn't help this one. And remember: I'll SHUT UP for two weeks!

    >In ytsejam 1727, Alan Adler wrote:
    >
    >>When I suscribed to this list last year I tought that it was going
    >>to be something interesting...... but now I can see that sucks, you
    >>only talk about shit, this is all crap....
    >>I want to get off the list.... unsubscribe me.....
    >>thanks.
    >
    >Well Alan,
    >If you want to unsubscribe do the following:
    >Body of message: unsubscribe ytsejam Alan Adler

    Are you sure that's correct? Try this:
    fuck-off ytsejam Alan Adler
    (just trying to start a flame war with Alan so he stays with us longer! ;-)
    no .sig this time. takes up too much space. and Skadz's watching.

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    Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 13:43:08 +0200
    From: akyuz@ltp.dmx.epfl.ch
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: over and out
    Message-ID: <v02130506ae24f6a80cec@[128.178.99.94]>

    > MY DT tribute prediction: This will never happen. It would have

    he HAD to do it again...
    -----------------
    anyway, I'm out, take care and don't kill each other. I still need people
    to bother when I'm back. :-)

    ........................................................................
    D A V E K I N G
    vox & bass MT-20

    "holding on is easier than letting go" (fw)

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    Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 08:36:26 -0400
    From: "Mark A. Richman" <mrichman@li.net>
    To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
    Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1730
    Message-ID: <9607311233.AA01291@gatekeeper.canon.com>

    Anyone know where to find a good price (possibly on the net) for an Ibanez
    RG 500 series? Also, what do you think is the best wood for a
    guitar...basswood, alder, ash, maple, mohogany? Thanks...

    Mark Richman

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    Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 09:30:20 -0400
    From: dantemm@erinet.com (Dan Temmesfeld)
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Re: MP CLINIC COLUMBUS
    Message-ID: <v01520d01ae24c2d3097e@[199.171.22.146]>

    Buster (Dave Hatlee) wrote:
    >10.(i loved this part) As he played the drums for Erotomania WITHOUT any
    >backing
    > music, he asked us all to sing the music along to help him out....Sure
    >enough!
    > During the parts where the drums stop briefly, everyone was right in
    >time and
    > on key with the parts! He had to stop for a second and tell us we were
    >crazy..

    actually it was the instrumental part for Metropolis Pt.1. Erotomania had
    the track to follow along to...

    it was cool, though, when the drums stopped briefly and we could all hear
    ourselves...Mike's reaction to it was a blast as well... :)

    later,
    Dan

    ---+
    Dan Temmesfeld --- email: dantemm@erinet.com
        http://www.cedarville.edu/student/s1133627/gcowboys.htm
              "Home of the Unofficial GALACTIC COWBOYS Page"
    ---+

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    Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 09:30:23 -0400
    From: dantemm@erinet.com (Dan Temmesfeld)
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Re: Metal Blade / GC
    Message-ID: <v01520d03ae24c4335c5b@[199.171.22.146]>

    Pat Daugherty wrote:
    >I disagree about Metal Blade. I would say that they support some of its
    >artists.

    ok. agreed.

    >I mean GC's Machine Fish was very easy to find when it came out. One
    >Bestbuy had tons of copies and even had it in the new music section. When
    >Fates Inside Out came out it was nowhere to find. No stores had it and
    >most rarely ever have it.

    i don't know. the only FW i've gotten (so far) has been old stuff, not
    new. maybe Metal Blade will push the new album- the 60 minute song, that
    is.

    i guess what i meant to say in my first post was that at least Metal Blade
    was doing something for GC, while Geffen promised so much but did nothing,
    and even dropped GC while they were on the road touring with DT... not
    saying that Metal Blade is doing a lot for every band in their catalog.

    >I got into sorta argument with the lady at the metal blade email address.
    >Her response was that there were many things about the record industry
    >that I dont understand about and that it was too long to go into to.
    >Whatever the hell that means....

    sounds like the BS i get from radio stations. i've emailed a bunch asking
    'em to play GC, or DT, or KX...and they always say how the like/love the
    band, but they can't play it until they see how the national market is
    taking it...bullshit!! when did it stop being about the music!? also, how
    can a trend in airplay start without one or more stations to take a small
    risk by playing something that isn't "in the charts."

    maria from Metal Blade has always been nice to me via email, except for a
    couple things she asked me to take off of my homepage... :)

    Dan

    ---+
    Dan Temmesfeld --- email: dantemm@erinet.com
        http://www.cedarville.edu/student/s1133627/gcowboys.htm
              "Home of the Unofficial GALACTIC COWBOYS Page"
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    Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 09:30:31 -0400
    From: dantemm@erinet.com (Dan Temmesfeld)
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: KX label-shopping (NDTC)
    Message-ID: <v01520d05ae24c91b8381@[199.171.22.146]>

    Paul Cashman wrote:
    >I spoke with Doug Pinnick before and after the show (and hung around
    >while he answered questions and expounded on various things :)). This
    >is their last record for Atlantic, who cut them loose from a 14-record
    >deal (!), so they're basically label-shopping. He implied this wasn't
    >their last tour. He also said right now is one of the happiest times
    >of his life. He also spoke at length about working with Sam Taylor
    >and then not working with Sam, which is one of the reasons why he's
    >happier now. :)

    i'm extremely glad that they're label-shopping after this tour!!

    one thing, though, what was Atlantic thinking with a 14 RECORD DEAL!?!?!
    that's insane!! i hope that was a joke, or misinformation...

    was atlantic thinking that KX was the next Rush...
    i love KX, but as a label you can't go around signing bands to deals like
    that...especially if you're not going to promote them heavily (like
    atlantic has done with KX, unfortunately).

    looking to see GC/KX on aug 4th, and maybe again in detroit on aug 24th...

    Dan

    ---+
    Dan Temmesfeld --- email: dantemm@erinet.com
        http://www.cedarville.edu/student/s1133627/gcowboys.htm
              "Home of the Unofficial GALACTIC COWBOYS Page"
    ---+

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    Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 09:33:47 -0400
    From: dantemm@erinet.com (Dan Temmesfeld)
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: ATTN: Detroit Jammers!!!! Help wanted!!!!
    Message-ID: <v01520d01ae24cb4705fc@[199.171.22.162]>

    I need some info. King's X is playing on August 24th at the Palladium
    in Detroit.

    ***Could somebody email me the phone number (with proper area code) of
    the Palladium? Or the phone number for Detroit-area information?***

    Also, does anybody know the ticket costs? Do you have to be 21 to get
    in? Etc?

    Thanks a bunch in advance,
    Dan

    ---+
    Dan Temmesfeld --- email: dantemm@erinet.com
        http://www.cedarville.edu/student/s1133627/gcowboys.htm
              "Home of the Unofficial GALACTIC COWBOYS Page"
    ---+

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    Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 16:43:40 +0300 (EET DST)
    From: wots@freenet.hut.fi (not x)
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Jason Becker
    Message-ID: <199607311343.QAA27097@learnet.freenet.hut.fi>

    Hi everybody! I'm Matteo Gagliolo and I digit from a little wonderful country
    called Italy.I am a fresh netsurfer and ytsejammer,so I will be glad to receive
    any suggestion about using the net (I only have e_mail access,thru Freenet
    Finland).
    I heard one of you talking about Jason Becker some days ago,and that he has
    released a new album.I have got his two Cacophony albums,and his first sol
    o album Perpetual Burn.This expecially is a real masterpiece. I think Jason
    is one of the best players in the world, who also reached perfection in
    composing. He has reached the inspiration of his classical masters, Mozart
    above all.
    Then, rumours began to spread about the illness that stroke him,and about
    the computer album ,and even about his death. The fact is that here in Italy
    we have a few media to get fresh information about non-MTV artists, so at
    the present time I still don't know if Jason is still alive, or what are
    exactly his health conditions, or what he has released.
    So please heal my anguish and tell me everything you know about Jason!

    Matteo Gagliolo
    wots@freenet.hut.fi
                           Thanx,everyone!

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    Date: Wed, 31 Jul 96 09:26:27 EST
    From: "Jeffrey Hochberg" <jeffrey_hochberg@CCGATEWAY.AMC.EDU>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Hey, I got an idea
    Message-ID: <9606318388.AA838831980@CCGATEWAY.AMC.EDU>

         I just thought of something pretty cool...
         
         Anyone ever think of getting the Majesty symbol made into a TrueType
         font? I don't think there would be many copyright issues to worry
         about, considering it's just a stylized version of the symbol used by
         Mary Queen of Scots. We could distribute it as freeware and then
         everyone could have a nice perfect scalable DT symbol to use on our
         tape inserts and whatnot. Just a thought.
         
         It would be even cooler if someone invested the energy to make a whole
         alphabet from the lettering of the DT logo! Any volunteers?
         
         Asleep, yet so afraid,
         
         Jeff
          

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    Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 08:53:50 -0500 (CDT)
    From: Brian Cox <lerxst@metronet.com>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: king's x setlist *spoilers*
    Message-ID: <199607311353.AA21642@metronet.com>

    i forgot to post this last week..

    to paul cashman: that wasnt a who cover, it is grand funk :)

    The Train
    (Thinking and Wondering) What I'm Gonna Do
    67
    Pleiades
    Run
    Mississippi Moon
    Lies in the Sand
    Looking for Love
    Fathers
    Black Flag
    It's Love
    Dogman
    Sometime
    A Box
    Summerland
    Over My Head
    Picture
    --------
    Lost in Germany
    Life Going By
    Closer to Home (Grand Funk)

    <><><><><><><><><> Brian V. Cox (lerxst@metronet.com) <><><><><><><><><>
    <>Rush|Dream Theater|Queensryche|King's X|Echolyn|King Crimson|Voivod><>

     "You have to systematically create confusion - it sets creativity free.
            Everything that is contradictory creates life."
                          -Salvador Dali, 1980

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    <><><><><><><><><>< http://www.metronet.com/~lerxst/ ><><><><><><><><><>

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