YTSEJAM Digest 1728
Today's Topics:
1) Take the FAQ!
by jskewes@why.net (jskewes)
2) the problem??
by "call me Joey The Axe Man" <IBANEZ_MAN@msn.com>
3) MP CLINIC COLUMBUS
by Dave Hatlee <buster@ee.net>
4) John Petrucci's clinic
by Mithrandir <mithrandir@pb.net>
5) Through the skull and into your memory.
by Ben Laussade <laussade@enet.net>
6) jp, pinballs, the search for derek and crackheads
by WildKoba@aol.com
7) Re: Angra questions.. :)
by dan.souza@uucomet (DAN SOUZA)
8) Re: Alan Adler
by skooc@ix.netcom.com (Scott Cook)
9) KMFDM SUCKS! ;-)
by Rajkai Péter <intcred@.ibm.net>
10) Re: lurk mode off
by Rajkai Péter <intcred@.ibm.net>
11) Please help me...
by Rajkai Péter <intcred@.ibm.net>
12) New CD update
by Michael Bahr <durnik@indirect.com>
13) Galactic Cowboys (NDTC)
by dantemm@erinet.com (Dan Temmesfeld)
14) Flame war
by Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
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Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 22:48:52 -0500
From: jskewes@why.net (jskewes)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Take the FAQ!
Message-ID: <2.2.32.19960730034852.00685514@why.net>
After a lot of thought and consideration, I've decided to relinquish my
position of maintaining the Dream Theater FAQ. I've become too busy lately
to devote the time necessary that the document needs.
My band is gigging a lot more around Dallas/Ft. Worth. I'm getting married
August 17. And I just started a new job about two months ago.
So... I need a volunteer..! I have to warn you - it involves more time
than you think. I normally spent about 20 hours working on the thing during
each update. If I get more than one response - I'll let the volunteers work
it out as to who gets it.
I'll post the outcome later in the week. I'll still be around, but I'll be
lurking for the most part. I'll continue to support Dream Theater and
SUPERIOR as much as possible.
BTW - check out my NEW SUPERIOR page!
http://www.why.net/users/jskewes/superior.html
And MY band is called PROXY. Check out our page at:
http://www.why.net/users/jskewes/proxy.html
(I'm the dork on the left!)
If you live in the D/FW area - keep an eye out. We're gigging! (Schedule is
on the web page!)
LATER!
Jason
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Date: Tue, 30 Jul 96 03:51:35 UT
From: "call me Joey The Axe Man" <IBANEZ_MAN@msn.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: the problem??
Message-ID: <UPMAIL04.199607300351120817@msn.com>
why is there all this tension chris????
you know you were talking about the legalities of their dt tribute idea....you
know that half of the boots we all have are all illegal...?????
who ever said it would be in stores and not just sold here for us to enjoy or
something???????
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Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 00:30:22 -0400
From: Dave Hatlee <buster@ee.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: MP CLINIC COLUMBUS
Message-ID: <31FD8FDE.28D6@ee.net>
Howdy all..just wanted to share a QUICK take on the Mike Portnoy
drum clinic here in Columbus Ohio Sunday. There's a lot I'd like to
tell, but I want to keep this short so you can get the general idea:
CAUTION: Some of you already know this stuff, so don't pounce all
over me for repeating it! :)
1. Mike HIGHLY recommended practicing and recording with a click /
metronome whenever possible. (just to clear up any doubt)
2. He said that for him personally, the click allows him to "flow" a little
more freely with the parts, with a bit less worry, yet still concentrating.
3. In a humorous manner, when the Jam was mentioned, he said "don't you guys
have anything better to argue about?" :) (regarding the whole click thing)
4. He explained 5/8 6/8 7/8 3/4 and many other time signatures in the most
enlightened and simplified way I've ever heard it put. He also revealed his
very own method of using these very sequences in DT's songs. Very in depth
as to how he approaches something that is orignially written in 4/4, then
puts together all the math to change it into the more complicated signatures.
5. He showed us his techniques used in all the great fills, and played them in
slow motion as he explained each note...VERY good instruction!
6. When he mentioned the dissappointment in using the snare trigger on I&W,
I asked him why they did it: "We've had to comprimise a lot on all of our
recordings...the producer for I&W wanted the trigger...."
7. I asked his opinion on why DT hasn't done shows like Letterman and Sat.
Night Live, and his answer was pretty much what we all have discussed here:
"We're obviously not a "hit single" type of music, and the long songs probably
scare them..." he went on to comment about the unfair type of treatment that
progressive gets from the music industry. Don't get me wrong, he was a very
cheerful dude! Just very honest :)
8. When I handed him my WDATU CD #580 (thanks Jason Steele!) to sign, he said:
" Ahhh you're on the Ytsejam" and smiled :)
9. He played a TON of stuff, and he said it was the live debut of LINES IN THE
SAND in it's entirety (without the vocals)...Imagine a balance between Awake
and I&W! They are wayyyy into groove on this new stuff!
10.(i loved this part) As he played the drums for Erotomania WITHOUT any backing
music, he asked us all to sing the music along to help him out....Sure enough!
During the parts where the drums stop briefly, everyone was right in time and
on key with the parts! He had to stop for a second and tell us we were crazy..
11. Tour start: Jan or Feb 97, along with CD release. PRODUCER: Still yet to
be determined. Collins has been asked and not said yes or no, but they have
other people in mind also.
12. Mike really has a great sense of humor! My drummer buddy was sorta joking
around with him, and actually got him to sign a drum head saying:
"To Don, Thanks for all the lessons! Mike Portnoy" !!!! I thought
that was cool as hell!
13. Last but not least, and in spite of my photo from the JP clinic,
I had pictures taken and I'm actually IN the picture with him this time!
I'm almost afriad to put it up on my site because I was so happy, I gave
biggest stupidist dorkiest looking face/smile anyone could possibly make!!
The photo's will be on my web site tomorrow: http://users1.ee.net/buster
This clinic, as with JP's, left me with an important impression of the guys
in DT:
Rather than sitting around on the weekends getting wasted and spending
the money we pay for their CD's like most bands would, these guys fly around
the world to share their knowledge, techniques, tricks, and themselves with US!
To me, this even strengthens my feelings about them as true professionals, and
justifies my respect and love for the band...DREAM THEATER!
Very happy to have been in Ohio this year,
Dave Hatlee
buster@ee.net
http://users1.ee.net/buster
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Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 21:56:05 -0700 (PDT)
From: Mithrandir <mithrandir@pb.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: John Petrucci's clinic
Message-ID: <199607300456.VAA11619@mindcrime.ax.com>
Howdy kids!!!!!
Well I just got back from the clinic, and I must say I was
impressed. I am a drummer, and even still it was incredible. I took the
train into N.Y.C. with D-man, Syrinx, Ibanez, and Doug. We met Jeff
Chew(more about him later), Rachel, and Wild Kobayashi at the studio. John
played some really cool stuff, showing his vibrato techniques, and Wah pedal
effects. Derek was there, and even played a song with John. He then started
asking questions to the audience, and he asked " What recorded instrumentals
does DT have?" Of course Syrinx chimes in "Eve, Bombay Vindaloo, Ytsejam,
and Erotomania". He won a shirt for that one. Then John realised that we
were from the jam, and started picking on us, jokingly. He played a new song
called "Lines in the sand" and his new stuff for Sega. He then took time to
sign autographs and chat with us. After everyone else had left, me, John,
and Eric Gandris(Lead singer of Centurion) remenised about the good old
garage days. All in all, it was alot of fun.
John's quote of the night after Jeff told him he met him a year ago;
" Oh yeah, You grew "
Elen sila lumenn omentilmo, Mithrandir
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Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 21:58:29 -0700
From: Ben Laussade <laussade@enet.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Through the skull and into your memory.
Message-ID: <199607300458.VAA29371@maple.enet.net>
>I guess because you can't go then others shouldn't be able to do the=20
>tribute at the con? 2 birds can be killed with one stone. The con and the=
=20
>tribute. This is the best idea I have seen.
>
I thought I made that clear, Pat. If you don't wait for me, I'll kill you=
all.=20
>First off, prick boy, good luck getting this thing together. Second,=20
>it's quite naive to think that whoever will run this whole gig will=20
>just fork over the cash to do this project and not expect=20
>reimbursement. Who do you think will take the flack if this should=20
>be pursued by Warner Bros.? Are you a lawyer?
>
Yikes. Cut down on the caffeine, man. First of all, I'd be willing to donate
to the project if designing web pages for people ends up paying alot. If it
doesn't, I'll be broke, but I'll give in my bottle full of loose change.
Second of all, we obviously wouldn't DO it if it was illegal. That's why I
said it would be wise to use one of our few connections with the band to ask
if everything's okay with it.
>You punk ass waste of time.=20
Ooh.
The reason I said that is that you're a=20
>real big shot thinking that we're going to have to only offer ideas=20
>which are CONSTRUCTIVE to your little plan.
We? Who's we? You and the voices? All you did in that post was completely
shoot down the plan. I don't mind a deconstructive comment or three, but
when it isn't accompanied by a constructive one, it pisses me off a little.
That's not being helpful...that's pessimism.
"=7F>I don't feel I owe you=20
>that. I see a host of flaws in your plan for getting this cd=20
>together, and I'll be damned if I'm going to let any jammers risk=20
>travelling out to Bufu to record on something that they'll never=20
>hear, or worse getting sued by a huge record label because nobody=20
>pointed out that this isn't as simple as you want it to be.
So, you're the Guardian of the Ytsejam now? Sounds like you're implying that
they're all too stupid to take care of themselves. I think a few jammers
might have a teeny problem with that.
>I think=20
>that in general all the jammers know that this isn't going to happen=20
>as you have it planned, but on the chance that I was wrong I offered=20
>my criticism. You don't like it? Censor me.
If everybody knows it's not going to work, then why did the subject come up?
And, I DON'T like it, but censorship sucks.
>You don't understand the music business that well. DT may not have=20
>the right to authorize the use of their music in this form. =20
Yeah, but they can let us know if it is or not.
I said:
>> Whoa whoa whoa....drums and guitar are two different instruments
You said:
>Again, I see that you lack comprehension. When you get your head out=20
>of your ass maybe you'll realize that drums and percussion are not=20
>necessarily the same thing.
Think about it.
>Now, in Al DiMeola's case, you wad of=20
>shit, :) he is a guitarist/percussionist/drummer. Al can play drums=20
>if you want to take it to that level, but what I was saying is that=20
>he plays percussion on most of his albums.
Eh....no it's not. You said:
>>He's a better percussionist=20
>>on guitar than almost any drummer I've ever heard is.
Percussion ON guitar is different than percussion AND guitar. Since I'd
never heard any Al DiMeola, all I had to go on was what you said. So, if you
meant to say something different in the above quote, I apologize for the
misunderstanding....but if you meant what you said, quit contradicting=
yourself.
>> Not too many drummers play guitar.
>
>You don't get out much, do you?
Not really.=20
>I guess the sound quality on Promised Land is too "baaaaad" for you.
So now you're supporting the Trib? Sheesh. Anyways, 1. never heard it, 2.
Queensryche had alot better equipment than we do.=20
>Stop the world. Mark can't make it to YtseCon. If you can't make it=20
>to YtseCon, what were you going to do the the DT tribute cd. Or were=20
>we just going to come to you.
<knock knock> Hi, I'm Ben. When you asked what was I going to do the the DT
tribute cd I just cracked up...but that's not the point. I explained in
previous posts why I thought waiting till next summer would be better, so
people could save up for travel expenses to meet in a central location, and
learn songs better. I can't make YtseCon because of a little thing called
School. And, if you want to come to me, go ahead.=20
>I apologize to you jammers for taking up bandwidth with this, but I don't=
see=20
>that I deserved to be flamed by this moron.
When did I flame you?
>I=20
>won't reply to any more of his flames on the jam, for your sake.
Still having trouble remembering....
>Mark,=20
>or Ben or whatever your name is... don't waste my time.
>
Ah..i guess you're referring to the post I sent a few days ago. Do you
really consider something a flame when it contains something other than your
opinion? That's sad. And, I will waste your time because 1. you wasted mine,
and 2. you wouldn't have flamed me if you didn't expect me to reply.
<wipes sweat off forehead> There. I've done it. Byebye.
Ben Laussade
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Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 01:04:05 -0400
From: WildKoba@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: jp, pinballs, the search for derek and crackheads
Message-ID: <960730010404_587977601@emout16.mail.aol.com>
what a fun time was had by us all at the clinic. it was ffidh!!!!!!!!
it was very funny (mad humorous) at often times.
some things i won't forget too easily:
a) "gee, notice how steve vai looks like ron darling in the picture..."
b) guy (name forgotten- sorry) singing rush lyrics on line
c) "look- it's derek!"
d) petrucci's impersonation of a focus customer.
e) jp playing b.c. rich?!?!
had a blast meeting rob ibanez, syrinx, and all the other funky fresh in da
house ytsers there.
the unfunky ufo awards go to:
mojoman for being mia.
bafu vai for likewise, but i guess we knew that shit.
peace out y'all, and keep the crack fires burnin.
*****************************************************************
david kobayashi
the wild and magical koba
"i'm using the chicken to measure it." -some freak on "uncle meat".
"for 20 long years, i could not read music. but now, thanks to 'hooked on
phonics'...."- dean, screaming headless torsos.
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Date: Mon, 29 Jul 96 06:41:00 -0200
From: dan.souza@uucomet (DAN SOUZA)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Angra questions.. :)
Message-ID: <8C56191.019000B914.uuout@uucomet>
> From: Dave Peterson <glyde@scc.net>
> Subject: Angra and KMFDM
> I've been thinking about picking up Angra's Holy Land off an internet
> CD place, but there's 2 versions. The domestic versoin or a japan
> import with a bonus track. What is the bonus track and is it worth
> paying $38 to hear it?
Well.. the price here in Brazil is 50,00! :) The bonus track is called
"Queen of the Night" and was the first demo song of 'em. I heard it on
the radio and I think that is not worth to pay more just for one song.
There are rumors right here that they will edit an EP with "Pain
Killer", and the others bonus tracks of Holy Land (there are also
other versions with acoustic _Angels Cry_ songs)..
Better wait.. ;)
[]'s
. * Dan Souza (Jay on IRC) * . "This is my whammy bar.. .
. Email: dan.souza@comet.com.br . ... and it's gonna be loud" .
. Telnet: comet.com.br . .
.. Death is the first dance, eternal.
___ Blue Wave/DOS v2.30
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Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 22:21:59 -0700
From: skooc@ix.netcom.com (Scott Cook)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Alan Adler
Message-ID: <199607300521.WAA09932@dfw-ix9.ix.netcom.com>
In ytsejam 1727, Alan Adler wrote:
>When I suscribed to this list last year I tought that it was going
>to be something interesting...... but now I can see that sucks, you
>only talk about shit, this is all crap....
>I want to get off the list.... unsubscribe me.....
>thanks.
Well Alan,
If you want to unsubscribe do the following:
to: ytsejam-request@ax.com
Subject: asdf
Body of message: unsubscribe ytsejam Alan Adler
And there ya go!
and don't the door his you in the ass on the way out!
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Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 10:01:49 +0200
From: Rajkai Péter <intcred@.ibm.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: KMFDM SUCKS! ;-)
Message-ID: <31FDC16D.1507@.ibm.net>
> Second, Dr Teeth asked about the new KMFDM....
> not exactly like Nihil. Alot more electronic, alot
> less guitar. I like it, but I like too much for my own
> good :) (ask my 300+ CD collection :)
Ryan,
I also like KMFDM (I will buy the new album this week). Anyway, do you know
a site where I can find lyrics of KMFDM (mainly for Nihil and Naive, I have
the lyrics for Money and Angst)?
Peter
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Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 10:01:56 +0200
From: Rajkai Péter <intcred@.ibm.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: lurk mode off
Message-ID: <31FDC174.6D38@.ibm.net>
> the tribute thing- i really think that this is just not realistic at
> all. i don't know how many people on this list can afford to buy a
> plane ticket, take time off from work, pay for studio
> time and help pay for production costs for a cd that will make no
> money whatsover. (unless you discuss royalties with DT or something).
> but hey, that's just me talking. if you want to try it, more power
> to you.
Andrew,
I think you're right, I really can't buy a plane ticket to the States,
but I can send the keyboard parts I know on DAT. Almost the same sounds
and notes. Do you have problems with it?
Peter
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Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 10:02:01 +0200
From: Rajkai Péter <intcred@.ibm.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Please help me...
Message-ID: <31FDC179.217B@.ibm.net>
1. I don't speak English very well (shame on me) and can't figure out the words
on LiT. Could you tell me what they are speaking about in the limo?
2. When the drum solo begins, there is a sample saying something (on every
drum solo I've heard from Portnoy). Could you tell me what that is and where from?
3. Has anybody MIDI file (or the right transcription) for Queensryche's "Someone Else"?
I think there is a lot of guitarist here and maybe they have the tab for PL album.
Is there a transcription in the tab book for this song?
Thx in adv. Peter from Hungary
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Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 01:52:20 -0700 (MST)
From: Michael Bahr <durnik@indirect.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: New CD update
Message-ID: <199607300852.BAA25840@bud.indirect.com>
A new CD update dated 7/30/96 is available. You know where to
look... also Skadz will have it on the server...
- voluntas vincit omnia - Mike Bahr - durnik@indirect.com -
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Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 09:07:31 -0400
From: dantemm@erinet.com (Dan Temmesfeld)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Galactic Cowboys (NDTC)
Message-ID: <v01520d01ae236f0095bc@[199.171.22.204]>
BLevy@aol.com in Ytsejam #1727 wrote:
>On my way to work today, I was listenning to the ONLY decent music on the air
>here in the NY Metro area in the AM, WSOU, and the DJ said "and this is
>Galactic Cowboys".
Oh my gawd...I've yet to hear *any* GC on radio!! quite surprising. I'm
glad to see some stations play it...these sucky Dayton stations keep giving
me B.S. reasons why they "like the band, but can't play it."
>Anyway, the singer
>kept saying "I'm not amused" if that is any clue to which song it was.
The song is "I'm Not Amused" off of their debut self-titled album on Geffen
(sucks!) Records in 1991. Not my fav from the album, but still a good
song- all things considered.
>These guys obviously have a good sound. One thing though,
>I cannot point to any part of the song that I did not like, but the SONG, as
>a whole, did not seem to work. The song seemed like two distinct songs sewn
>together.
I agree. It's a 6:21 song, and parts of it seem to be disjointed. I
wouldn't judge this song as very representative of the GC sound, though.
To describe their sound: their first two albums are proggy, their latest
one isn't as proggy- but it's still excellent. Their an excellent metal
band that knows how to sing...imagine that! :)
I'd start out with their second album "Space In Your Face." Both it and
the first album are now available on Geffen's (sucks!) Goldline- which
means about $8 for a CD. SIYF has some of their best work, IMO, like
"Blind," "Still Life of Peace," "If I Were A Killer," and more. Their
debut has my fav GC song on it, "Speak To Me"- a 10+ minute beauty.
Their newest one, Machine Fish, is on Metal Blade (a label that actually
supports its artists- did I mention that Geffen sucks!). It's got a lot of
GREAT songs as well. You really can't miss with any GC albums, IMO.
They've also got an EP due out in Sept/Oct with "Feel The Rage" (from
MFish), plus 3 new GC tunes, and 3 cover tunes.
>I think that this band is closer to what I like than some others I have read
>about here (like Echolyn, or Magellan), sort of on the same wavelength as DT
>or FW. No EXCESSIVE banging, but just enough to get you going and strong
>musical themes...
They're really not much like DT or FW, except for the fact that they use a
lot of different sounds (and instruments) and time changes. their strong
point is definitely their vocals, 4-part harmonies and whatnot.
You can find a lot more info about GC at my homepage (URL in the .sig).
>Brian
Dan in the CD-Rom Audio Player: silent man single :)
---+
Dan Temmesfeld --- email: dantemm@erinet.com
http://www.cedarville.edu/student/s1133627/gcowboys.htm
"Home of the Unofficial GALACTIC COWBOYS Page"
---+
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Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 09:14:44 -0400 (EDT)
From: Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
To: Dream Theater Mailing List <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Flame war
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.960730091140.27863B-100000@bdmserver>
Chris Ptacek
>I apologize to you jammers for taking up bandwidth with this, but I don't see
>that I deserved to be flamed by this moron. I thought it best to reply. I
>won't reply to any more of his flames on the jam, for your sake. As
>far as the jam is concerned, I will let this issue die. If anyone
>wants to complain about something I said, send it in e mail. Mark,
>or Ben or whatever your name is... don't waste my time.
No need to apologize. Ben always thinks he knows it all. He thinks
everything should be his way and if you dont think what he does then you
are wrong. But come on, give him a break afterall he is 12 or something...
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