YTSEJAM Digest 1725
Today's Topics:
1) Wicked Maraya
by Maraya007@aol.com
2) ooooooops!
by Maraya007@aol.com
3) Re: Bill & Ted
by Monty Newberry <mjnewb@mo.net>
4) YES! Finally!
by "Paul W. Cashman" <vanyel@crl.com>
5) Babies (sort of DT related)...
by Evan Thomson <930377@bud.cc.swin.edu.au>
6) JP Clinic in NYC
by <CNG@tcco.com> (Chung Ng)
7) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1724
by Daniel McCormack <emc@caribe.net>
8) Parallels
by kurt@fgallery.com
9) Angra and KMFDM
by Dave Peterson <glyde@scc.net>
10) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1723
by acook@tiac.net (acook)
11) vai-able info, Net band, kx/gc taping
by pgor@netcom.com (Paul Goracke)
12) thankx
by Cliff & Pam Wheaton <cwheaton@micron.net>
13) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1724
by hawkeye7@ix.netcom.com (Larry Odneal)
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Date: Sun, 28 Jul 1996 01:16:20 -0400
From: Maraya007@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Wicked Maraya
Message-ID: <960728011620_247266638@emout16.mail.aol.com>
In a message dated 96-07-28 01:06:07 EDT, you write:
<< and Wicked Maraya's Cycles album, just because Jaime the Dragon mentioned
that name on here a few times.....listening to it right now, and it's pretty
cool, thanks for the tip, Jaime (is she on the Jam over the summer?) >>
Yes, she is, and she's mighty glad to hear that. So is the band, I imagine.
:D For anyone who missed my last post, check out their Web page:
<http://www.ios.com/~maraya/>
While I'm on the subject, I got an interview with their singer, Lou Falco,
and I'm currently waiting for their bassist, John Iadevaio, to send me his
reponses - soon as he does, issue 14 of the fanzine will be ready to go.
(Ever going to send me that review, D-Man? ;)
Jaime the Dragon
"All the world's a masquerade
made up of fools and philosophers
Were it to rain on our charade
all washes away, except our true colors..."
- Extreme
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Date: Sun, 28 Jul 1996 01:22:21 -0400
From: Maraya007@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: ooooooops!
Message-ID: <960728012220_247270036@emout13.mail.aol.com>
I made a mistake on the Maraya URL in my post. It SHOULD be:
Jaime the inattentive Dragon
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Date: Sun, 28 Jul 1996 01:58:02 -0600
From: Monty Newberry <mjnewb@mo.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Bill & Ted
Message-ID: <31FB1D8A.6A94@mo.net>
> Question of the day: Could Bill and Ted's band be considered progressive?
And now, opening up for Iron Maiden, WYLD STALLYNS!!!!!!!
Dale R. Newberry
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Date: Sun, 28 Jul 1996 00:35:10 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Paul W. Cashman" <vanyel@crl.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: YES! Finally!
Message-ID: <199607280735.AA17926@crl3.crl.com>
YES!! Finally, an EOJ for me!!
[Yea, okay, this is a pretty simple pleasure. :) ]
obDT: First CD played on the sound system at my friend's club:
ACoS. (He skipped the song "ACoS" and went right to the covers.
Everyone there loved it, which is cool since this is a new -country-
dance-club right behind the Olympic swimming/diving venue. :))
obBafu: "Bafu!!"
-- Paul W. Cashman, vanyel@crl.com Rush Dream Theater Korn Bonedance --- www.crl.com/~vanyel ------ Metallica Hawkwind Enya Superior Mutha's Day Out Sisters of Mercy Dead Can Dance Blue Oyster Cult "You can find all you need in your mind / If you take the time.." -DT------------------------------
Date: Sun, 28 Jul 1996 22:26:33 +1000 (EST) From: Evan Thomson <930377@bud.cc.swin.edu.au> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Babies (sort of DT related)... Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.91.960728222334.25574A-100000@bud.cc.swin.edu.au>
Howdy all.
Its 10:30pm and only 10 hours ago my wife delivered a beautiful baby girl. I had to share this with you guys. The name we have chosen is:
Adara EVE
My wife is not a big DT fan, but she loves EVE and Kevin Moore.
Now..... I sleep. :)
Evan Thomson.
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Date: Sun, 28 Jul 96 9:40:03 EDT From: <CNG@tcco.com> (Chung Ng) To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: JP Clinic in NYC Message-ID: <vines.3hH8+KpqylA@tcx.tcco.com>
I am going to attend the Petrucci clinic tomorrow (Monday) in NYC. This will be my first one. Can someone tell me if it would be improper to bring camera or ask for autographs?
Thanks.
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Date: Sun, 28 Jul 1996 10:03:17 -0300 From: Daniel McCormack <emc@caribe.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1724 Message-ID: <31FB6515.4667@caribe.net>
> From: Ben Laussade <laussade@enet.net> > Subject: Good Times (attatchment converted: PKZIP300.EXE) > > COMPUTER GRAPHICS DESIGNING PEOPLE!!!!! As you may or may not know, there is > a new band called Beefquad-X that has written a few songs and plans to write > a few more....if you're interested in designing a logo for the band, please > mail me....they'd appreciate it much. Byebye!! :-)
Beefquad-X sounds cool. Do ya already have all the guitarists you need? I seem to remember being there during the conception of the idea of a band started over the Net... I also seem to remember coming uo with a name... The Self-titled Band i recall it was.
> So, do you guys think that a band who wrote and recorded an album > solely on the internet would get a lot of hype and/or money? If we had > proper advertising, of course...but do you think it would happen?
No. That doesn't mean I'm against the idea, however (I just applied for the band!! :) You DID say that you're not doing this for the money...
> >I don't care if you're Eddie Fucking Van Halen....God didn't put a > >perfect metronome in > >anyones head!!!! > > Unless he dropped it on them from really high up somewhere.
Yeah, those things are pointy, if he droped it upside down... But then it wouldn't be perfect, I mean, once it hit the guy's head, it would probably get like screwed up and stuff.
> > >Feel is bullshit!!! When you are a professional....and you are cutting > >something > > That is going to remain on tape forever...you put a click in!!! > > > > You forgot to add "...if you want to." I think I have a pretty damned > natural click in my head. I know for sure it's not perfect, but I've never > played drums with a click, and I hardly ever speed up or slow down if I > don't want to. Noticably, anyhow.
Hod do ya know that a drummer's knocking at your door? The knock slows down. :)
> >throw away your pride...a click is a necassary tool in todays > >recording....We're not recording > >Robert Johnson with a turntable and a suspended can mike.... > > Yeah, but we ARE recording Beefquad-X with Pocket Recorder and a crappy > microphone.
Pocket Recorder!! Yea! It doesn't fit in your pocket tho... well, unless you have one of those palm-tops...
> >Imagine > >>playing Midi guitar in a cyber-band who's members are scattered all over > >>the continent - drummer in Toronto, sax player in Halifax, keyboardists in > >>Montreal. The effects such a piece of software will have on the music > >>industry will be astounding. > >> > > Ah, you don't need that crap. Just use the "Blend" function in Pocket > Recorder. If you'd like to see an example of that, mail me and ask for the > Beefquad-X .wav
i would like the beefquad-x wav and i would like the entire ytsejam community to know that i want it. So there, unsub me for wasting bandwith, why doncha. :)
> >The live approach will generate a better vibe, but will > >necessitate playing the tracks together for a while prior to going > >into the studio, unless we want to spend around $150/hour rehearsing. > > Speaking of money, flights to Las Vegas are alot cheaper than flights to > other places (relatively, depending on your location), and if you came here > you wouldn't have to wait for the summer, cuz' I could just do my stuff > after school. Now, you may say "Why do we have to wait for that geeky Ben?" > Well, because if you don't I'll kill you all. A lot. > > >I feel that we would be better off to use a click track and > >record on a track by track basis. I know how some of us feel about > >that approach, but it's the only way it can be done without having a > >ton of people there simultaneously. > > > > Part of the reason I want to do this is to get a chance to play music with > some good musicians. So, I'm for the live recording idea.
Damn, I am in debt right now, I don't know how much money I'd be able to spend to FLY somewhere... True, the live thing is more fun, but I have access to a recording studio run by a friend of mine... If we did it track by track I could probably participate.
> >If anyone has any tab or sheet music for any of the proposed > >tracks, we should make it accessible to people who are interested in > >the project ASAP. > > I've got guitar TAB for I&W and Awake. Not all that accurate, but better > than nothing.
Please enlighten me. What are the proposed tracks? I have not been reading the jams lately...
> >He's a better percussionist > >on guitar than almost any drummer I've ever heard is. > > Whoa whoa whoa....drums and guitar are two different instruments..let's not > go saying that Al DiMeola is a great drummer, because playing guitar only > involves keeping two limbs in time together, whereas drumming requires all > four (unless you're Larz :-). I'm not saying drums are harder than guitar, > because guitar requires dexterity with your fingers. But, they ARE too > different to compare in that manner. Unless, you meant that he plays better > percussion on guitar than other drummers play percussion on guitar, in which > case I would reply: Not too many drummers play guitar.
Yeah, cuz guitars have notes. It's too confusing for drummers. Did you hear about the bassist who locked his keys in the car? It took two hours to get the drummer out. :)
> >Does anyone here really object to Mike Bahr posting his CD updates > >to the 'jam? Whether I'm busy doing work, or just lazy at the time, > >it's kind of a pain to find a web page that has it, or to email Mike > >and wait for him to wade through his massive inbox. > > YES, PLEASE!!! it's mucho easier.
I agree. Post to da Jam!!!
> >ne record separately from them > >and then get someone to mix it all together. That way, you don't have to > >scrape together for plane fare to go all over God's green earth to practice > >and record. > > The sound quality would suffer soooo baaaaad. Recording drums with one > microphone on the table next to you sounds really REALLY bad. If ONE person
Well like I said, I have access to a recording studio... maybe other people can try and do the same? I mean, paying $50/hour for a recording studio is better than paying several hundred to fly somewhere and THEN paying $50/hour for a recording studio... True, we might split the cost for the recording studio once we were all sharing one studio, but still...
> >Well, isn't it obvious? When will most jammers be gathered in one > >place? That's right....at the ytsecon in october. What better incentive > >to get everyone to come than to meet DT too! I don't know how many people > >think this would work, but so far this is the best idea I've seen > >mentioned. > > No no no no no no and NO!!! I can't go to Ytse Con.
Me neither. And this is how i say bye bye. bye bye.
Moo, -Bovis Deus-
--
Daniel McCormack http://premium.caribe.net/~emc/index.html thecowgod@dreamt.org or dmc@dreamt.org emc@caribe.net
"Look at those cows and remember that the greatest scientists in the world have never discovered how to make grass into milk." - Michael Pupin
"They couldn't hit an elephant at this dist-" - General John Sedgewick, Union Commander in the Civil War, speaking his last words.
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Date: Sun, 28 Jul 1996 12:16:00 -0400 From: kurt@fgallery.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Parallels Message-ID: <TCPSMTP.16.7.28.12.16.0.2916992174.318321@bbs.fgallery.com>
Hi,just got my parallel's album from FW,a friend lent it to me,actually i took it from his desk, and i have to say its pretty cool,its cool to find that Labrie did background vocals on one song,but i cant still really notice him,also i have a question..why are all the YOU's capitalized on the lyricS? hmm very cool album ...i only own inside out...and i love it..so..parallels is cool also...
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Date: Sun, 28 Jul 1996 11:44:00 -0500 (CDT) From: Dave Peterson <glyde@scc.net> To: DT Mailing list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Angra and KMFDM Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.91.960728113049.12686A-100000@scc.net>
I've been thinking about picking up Angra's Holy Land off an internet CD place, but there's 2 versions. The domestic versoin or a japan import with a bonus track. What is the bonus track and is it worth paying $38 to hear it?
Also, has anyone heard the new KMFDM disk, XTORT? What's it like? Does it rock as much as Nihil? I've been thinking of picking that one up too.
Finally, there's the band Sieges Even. I can find one of their disks on the net for sale, but it's one of their older ones (and someone described their singer at that time as the worst lead singer of all time - Period.) I guess since then they've changed lead singers and sound much better now. Can anyone recommend a disk from them (and more importantly, where I can find it???) For those of you who don't know, supposedly Sieges Even is as technical throughout their albums as the middle of Metropolis. I just can't find any of their stuff that doesn't have their sucky singer!
Another paraphrase of a review of their older album - "It's amazing what they can do. All the instruments are so tight and busy. It's really quite astounding. And then there's the singer... When you hear it, there's all this technical stuff going on, and then there's this silly guy wailing his lungs out over it. After a while it's just funny and you can learn to ignore his voice and enjoy the music..."
Actually it might be interesting to hear what the worst singer of all time sounds like... ;)
Any info on Angra, KMFDM's new one or Sieges Even would greatly be appreciated.
"Holy Geez! I wanted to lick 'em!"
Dr. Teeth
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Date: Sun, 28 Jul 1996 13:02:21 -0400 From: acook@tiac.net (acook) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1723 Message-ID: <199607281702.NAA08204@zork.tiac.net>
Heyo,
> >I produce his sound remarkably well with a mesa boogie triaxis that blew my >wallet away...lol (that is the pre amp he uses) but before i got that, i >used to play through a .... > <lots of expensive equipment snipped>
Well gee don't you have lots of spending money! I seriously doubt the guy who asked the question would be able to buy all that stuff :)
>
> >ALSO....VH with Roth has had 11 more years to sell albums...for your point >to be valid....we would have to take a recount in about 11 years!!!! It >would be safe to assume that Van Hagar would have a good 5 to 10 million >more on the count.... >
Say what? From their first album, Roth was in the band for 7-8 years. 1977-1984. Where are you getting 11 years from? Hagar was in the band for a lot longer. 1985-1996. I don't want to get into the debate. Just pointing out facts... I think a lot of times people overlook how long "replacement" members have actually been in the band. For example, Cliff Burton was only with Metallica for 3 years, Newsted has been with them for 10! However Newsted is still considered a newbie by many. Funny how that works.
>>rosewood (like JP's) and you will need Humbuckers (For JP's sound, >>get the pickups he uses... DiMarzio Norton or something) > >I may be wrong here, but last time I talked to Larry (DiMarzio), JP was using >a Steve's Special at the neck and a ToneZone at the bridge... >
Don't know what Larry's been smokin' lately, but the Steve's Special is at the bridge and he uses an Air Norton in the neck position. I'm positive the Steve's Special is a bridge pickup because I have it :) He used to use a ToneZone at the bridge, but switched to the Steve's.
> > >I was talking to my brother, and he brought up an interesting point (whether >on purpose or accident I don't know, but he did just the same :-) I said >something like, "You only like music because you hear it on MTV." And >replied with something to the effect of, "No, the only Music I Hear is on >MTV, because with me, music isn't a high enough priority that I'd wanna go >out and buy CD's. I'm sure if they started playing music from really obscure >bands that I might like it....but since I'd reather buy other things, I'm >happy with the stuff they play on MTV." > So, just because music is the most important thing in most of our >lives doesn't mean that it is in everybody else's, so we can't blame >alternakids for anything, or call them stupid....they just have different >hobbies.
That's a good point. I think it's true to a certain point. However, I know plenty of people at my school who "play" guitar or bass and seem like they're into music and such, and their fave groups are Pearl Jam and Smashing Pumpkins and the like. I actually think these groups are on the upper end of the alterna whatever craze. Doesn't mean I like them :)
> > So, do you guys think that a band who wrote and recorded an album >solely on the internet would get a lot of hype and/or money? If we had >proper advertising, of course...but do you think it would happen? >
That would be lots and lots up uploaded and downloaded megs of files. We just don't have the resources or the equipment to do an album based on trading files on the net. Yeah sure, if we could pull it off we'd be on the news as the "group of tribute freaks who recorded an (illegal) album on the internet and got arrested upon completion". But seriously, we need permission from the band and the record company. Why would they give us permission?? Magna Carta has a record label and known musicians and Rush is bitching at them about recording a tribute. Wake up and smell the Beefquad-X.
This is of course, all in my assumption that we would sell the disc to jammers and whoever. A la Mike Bahr's discs.
> >Sure. I don't think anybody was looking to make a profit with this. >
Well you better be ready to make a hole in your wallet. Studio time is expensive. Recording requires time and money. No offense but I doubt you have much at 14. So if you don't want to make a profit what are you planning on doing? Recording it, losing lots of money, and then spending more to make enough copies so everybody can have one?
My suggestion. Get everybody together for a good time and some jams, and we can rent an ADAT or something. Then we can just record some copies in standard cassette form and hand them out to jammers.
Adam Cook acook@tiac.bet visit me at, http://www.tiac.net/users/com (hard hat construction area!)
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Date: Sun, 28 Jul 1996 10:19:30 -0700 From: pgor@netcom.com (Paul Goracke) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: vai-able info, Net band, kx/gc taping Message-ID: <v02140b02ae214544908a@DialupEudora>
Bracken MacLeod <brax@lamar.ColoState.EDU> Re: vai-able information
> >Speaking of Vai, is there actually a disk out by him called Leftovers?? > >It's > >supposed to be the extras that didn't make FlexAble, but I've never seen it > >(an I've got ALL the Vai stuff...) > > Leftovers is taked on to the end of the Flexable CD. At least it was > when I bought the CD a million years ago. The version I have is pressed > by Akashic Records and distributed by Important Record Distributors. I > have no idea if Relativity has bothered to reprint this album or not. I > doubt it is out of print though. I have no idea if this is a limited > release. Although, I don't think they've offered those tracks (So Happy, > Bledsoe Blvd., Burnin' Down the Mountain, and Chronic Insomnia) on any > other release, but I could be wrong.
The world works in strange ways. I was in a used record shop yesterday, and they had Leftovers on 10" vinyl for $12. I found other out-of-print stuff to buy, so I didn't pick it up, but if anyone wants me to get it for them for cost + shipping, contact me. Dibs go to the original inquirer (yes, I will go back and check the digests).
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Ben Laussade <laussade@enet.net>:
> So, do you guys think that a band who wrote and recorded an album solely > on the internet would get a lot of hype and/or money? If we had proper > advertising, of course...but do you think it would happen?
This would likely be a very successful marketing angle. Unfortunately, your being on this list means you'd probably write complex, worthwhile tunes which would completely turn off the masses, shooting that angle right in the foot. My pessimist/pragmatist side (the other side says, "frosting! I want frosting!") says: keep it simple, release one record (possibly pseudononymously), get rich quick, buy your own studio equipment w/ the profits, then release the stuff you actually like. :^)
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Brian Cox <lerxst@metronet.com> Re: kx/gc taping
> by the way, be sure to catch king's x on this tour, there is a very high > chance it will be your last chance...
I keep hoping for Seattle dates!!
pg
----------------------------+---------------------------------- Paul Goracke | "To do is to be" - Aristotle pgor@netcom.com | "To be is to do" - Plato | "Do be do be do" - Sinatra ----------------------------+----------------------------------
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Date: Sun, 28 Jul 1996 11:39:22 -0600 From: Cliff & Pam Wheaton <cwheaton@micron.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: thankx Message-ID: <31FBA5CA.2A38@micron.net>
Hi all: the reason for the thanx subject is this: because of this list, I went out and got a couple of tapes (out of the used bin, $2.00 each) and checked them out. they are: Yngwie Malstem "Rising Force" and Fates Warning: "Awaken the Guardien". Now , a question: where do I find lyrics for these? Someone please point me the right way. Thanx in advance. The other question: Awhile back, someone was using a ,sig that was the lyrics to Ivory Gate of Dreams. For some reason, I thought this was the album mentioned that it was on. Am I confused? Or what? If I'm incorrect, what album is this on? I'd really like to hear that song.Now, just from listening to this masterpiece (AtG)I gather that this is a sort of concept album set in medievial times? I'll hafta see th lyrics to determine, I guess :) anyhow, the other "used bin" purchase was a new, still wrapped Roger Waters vid : The Berlin Wall show, for 4 bucks!!! Yesssss!!! Keep rockin' Pam
-- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton _____/----^---\____ The greatest tool for world peace </__"Rockin Cabbie"__\o THE INTERNET 0 0 E-mail: cwheaton@micron.net URL:http://netnow.micron.net/~cwheaton ************************************************************************************
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Date: Sun, 28 Jul 1996 11:36:13 -0700 From: hawkeye7@ix.netcom.com (Larry Odneal) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1724 Message-ID: <199607281836.LAA21169@dfw-ix12.ix.netcom.com>
Skadz wrote:
> The other thing was Todd's new stickers. I got >a bunch of them so I could put pics up on my web >page and they are REAL REAL REAL nice. The pics should >be going up on Monday if there are no problems. >Check www.dreamt.org late Monday and you should be able >to see them for yourself.
All right! I've been wanting to order some, but was waiting to SEE 'em first - cuz even though they SOUND nice, I don't usually go around LISTENING to stickers. ;^)
Ben wrote:
>Part A. >>3. What they call it when a member of DT experiences premature >> ejaculation - YtseWhamBamThankYouMa'am. > >Part B. >>Shit - I probably just offended Ben again! WTMFI, indeed! > >Don't worry...it happens to everybody (applies to both parts A and B) >
Actually, it never happened to me (part A, that is) and never will now that I'm so friggin' old. I always had the exact reverse problem - delayed ejaculation. Takes forever, man.
And:
>Speaking of money, flights to Las Vegas are alot cheaper than flights >to other places (relatively, depending on your location)
He is absolutely right, kiddies. Las Vegas has, by far, the cheapest flights and hotel rooms in this country, plus a lot of other amenities. If the recording doesn't happen at the 'Con, well . . . Viva Las Vegas! (Swivels hips while delaying ejaculation)
And:
>. . . It sounded a little obvious to me...maybe I'm just wierd. >
Is that supposed to be WEIRD or WIRED? 8-)
Somebody else wrote:
>A band in Hamilton looking for a drummer in vain of Dream Theater >and Queensryche. >
What's sad is that they knew beforehand that they were looking in vain.
I LOVE TYPOS!
Sir Reality
(remember, you create your own Reality - so BE CAREFUL!)
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