YTSEJAM Digest 1722
Today's Topics:
1) Guitar Sound
by "Chris Ptacek" <someone@enteract.com>
2) Re: savatage and pianos
by Graham Borland <graham@grelb.src.gla.ac.uk>
3) ACK N0 M0r3 k0d3z!
by "Chris Ptacek" <someone@enteract.com>
4) Re: CD Updates / DT on DSS
by skooc@ix.netcom.com (Scott Cook)
5) Bahr's CD updates, etc.
by "Paul W. Cashman" <vanyel@crl.com>
6) the hunt for ibanez
by WildKoba@aol.com
7) Metro Management is now accepting submissions
by voxman <lanzag@eci.com>
8) Someone Else?
by Bogie34@aol.com
9) Michael Hedges
by "Susan " <spatz13@msn.com>
10) RE: YTSEJAM digest 1720
by "Susan " <spatz13@msn.com>
11) Nirvana, The DT cult, Recording post-CON, Unplugged?
by rterry@inforamp.net (Rick Terry)
12) New Iced Earth
by Mark Metzger <mmetzger@bostech.com>
13) VH record sales
by "call me Joey The Axe Man" <IBANEZ_MAN@msn.com>
14) RE: YTSEJAM digest 1720
by "call me Joey The Axe Man" <IBANEZ_MAN@msn.com>
15) Jason Becker, Person of the week...(NO DTC)
by BLevy@aol.com
16) Mostly KX and a tad of that state of Ontario
by jestok@interlog.com (Mike Estok)
17) RE: JM articles
by "J. Christian Jens" <jjens@cais.com>
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Date: Fri, 26 Jul 1996 13:26:56 +0000
From: "Chris Ptacek" <someone@enteract.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Guitar Sound
Message-ID: <199607261826.NAA00993@enteract.com>
In Response to someone's question about guitar sounds...
Unfortunately, it is no easy task to copy JP's sound, even with the
thousands in gear he has. He had a professional programmer set his
tones up. You can come close, with cheaper gear, but it will take a
lot of effort.
First off, reconsider on getting a USA Custom. Look at some used
Ibanez guitars from before they were made in Korea. The Japanese
ones are good. Some of the USA customs even have made in Japan
stamps on them, so don't think that USA means everything. All you
really need is a neck that will support low action, preferably
rosewood (like JP's) and you will need Humbuckers (For JP's sound,
get the pickups he uses... DiMarzio Norton or something)
Don't play through a wireless.
For amps, you'd be suprised at the sound from the new Peavey Trans
Tube amps. They really do sound good. You can save hundreds, or
even thousands on something like that. If you aren't going all the
way on gear, then don't go all the way on some things and part way on
others. Get the best gear you can afford but evenly matched. Those
wuold be the amps I'd recommend, and then you'll need an effects
processor. You can get good sounds for cheap with a used Quadreverb.
If you want new gear, try the Digitech TSR12.
That will give you all the options you need to get the sounds, but
you'll spend weeks tweeking.
My friends suggest getting a rackmount eq, to save time in the
tweeking process.
Hope this helped.
Chris Ptacek
EnterAct, L.L.C.
someone@enteract.com
K Elf Amon@Aol.Com (Emergency Use Only)
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"True Syncophants know how to spell 'syncophancy'...
otherwise they can't get into the meetings."
-Mike Keneally
~Buy Perspectives, by Jason Becker. Support ALS~
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Date: Fri, 26 Jul 1996 19:46:21 +0100 (BST)
From: Graham Borland <graham@grelb.src.gla.ac.uk>
To: YtseJam <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: savatage and pianos
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.91.960726194349.1627B-100000@grelb.src.gla.ac.uk>
Craig wrote:
> Question: Why is it that [snip] keyboardists can't find a real piano?
Because they're horrendously expensive, and electronic ones don't need
to be miked up.
> Does Geoff Tate play the keys on Someone Else?
No, it was Chris DeGarmo when I saw them live last year.
Graham B.
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Date: Fri, 26 Jul 1996 14:04:47 +0000
From: "Chris Ptacek" <someone@enteract.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: ACK N0 M0r3 k0d3z!
Message-ID: <199607261904.OAA03068@enteract.com>
:)
Um, whoever sent those last two messages with the long tail of binary
bubblegum, I know you recognize your mistake, but TRY not to do that
anymore? I was hoping for some more juicy stuff to moan and complain
about.
Michael Hedges Tunings! Yo, whoever asked me the question about
tunings for Michael's tunes, I have a few, from transcribing a bunch
of his songs, but just recently I was bored and I decided to do a
Lycos search for Michael Hedges. One of the pages I found had
compiled a list of tunings for some of the songs and even
transcriptions! It could have saved me hours of time. Anyway, I
recommend looking him up on netscape, but if you have a particular
song you need the tuning to, please feel free to e mail me. I know
about 10 of his tunings, and about 2 1/2 of his tunes. :) He's
tough. I recommend starting with The Magic Farmer (the last tune on
Aerial Boundaries) or The Naked Stalk from Taproot. Just so you
know, Taproot and Live at the Double Planet are both great albums as
well. Live is simliar to Aerial on some songs. Taproot is a whole
host of different techniques and arrangement ideas. I'd say his
hardest song ever is on that album.
Chris Ptacek
EnterAct, L.L.C.
someone@enteract.com
K Elf Amon@Aol.Com (Emergency Use Only)
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"True Syncophants know how to spell 'syncophancy'...
otherwise they can't get into the meetings."
-Mike Keneally
~Buy Perspectives, by Jason Becker. Support ALS~
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Date: Fri, 26 Jul 1996 12:49:36 -0700
From: skooc@ix.netcom.com (Scott Cook)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: CD Updates / DT on DSS
Message-ID: <199607261949.MAA00532@dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com>
Hi,
I would like to propose a "modified" version of Mike's update. For
those of you who have read his updates in the past, there is a lot of
stuff on there that is automatically put on every update. If we could
get an update that didn't include all the intros and stuff and just the
"meat" for lack of a better word, with the intros and lawyer speak
stuff thrown in there only occasionally, then that might help solve the
bandwidth problem.
DTC: I was listening to the Radio channels on my DSS last night, and on
the Metal station (channel 512) the played The Mirror. It is so cool to
hear DT over the air. The only song I've ever heard on the radio is PMU
and it's been over a year since they've played that. If you don't have
a Digital Satellite 18" dish, go get one. They are definitely worth the
price.
I've got something to say regarding VH, but snce it's been declared a
non issue I will say nothing :(
Scott Cook
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"I FORGOT THE FUCKING WORDS!"
David Lee Roth - US '83 Festival
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Date: Fri, 26 Jul 1996 12:53:59 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Paul W. Cashman" <vanyel@crl.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Bahr's CD updates, etc.
Message-ID: <199607261953.AA21318@crl2.crl.com>
Mike and Skadz, seems like the easiest way to solve this would be to
split the updates into components and post them, perhaps one per Jam.
That way it wouldn't be overpowering. Mike could handle this manually
just by staggering the posts, or Skadz could get tricky 'n' technical
and devise some kewl software workaround... :)
Welcome to the Ytsejam, fellow Atlantan and Olympic survivor (so far)
Wes Foll. :) (Yes, folks, he's one of my converts. yay)
-- Paul W. Cashman, vanyel@crl.com Rush Dream Theater Korn Bonedance --- www.crl.com/~vanyel ------ Metallica Hawkwind Enya Superior Mutha's Day Out Sisters of Mercy Dead Can Dance Blue Oyster Cult "You can find all you need in your mind / If you take the time.." -DT------------------------------
Date: Fri, 26 Jul 1996 16:09:56 -0400 From: WildKoba@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: the hunt for ibanez Message-ID: <960726160956_585594299@emout18.mail.aol.com>
as far as i know, the new petrucci guitar (not the 1st model) is not a limited series guitar, accroding to the catalogs i've seen and their newsletter i received recently. so to the guy looking for one...and yeah, good luck finding the first one. and about customs, i understand that they WON'T make custom guitars for you. something weird, don't know why. i asked once and they said no. not sure how or why, but you can always try.
whatever. peace out punks. ***************************************************************** david yoichi kobayashi guitars, keyboards.
binghamton university. class of 97.
"me? i'm just the lawnmower- you can tell me by the way i walk." -p. gabriel *****************************************************************
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Date: Fri, 26 Jul 1996 16:37:59 -0700 From: voxman <lanzag@eci.com> Subject: Metro Management is now accepting submissions Message-ID: <31F956D6.78B9@eci.com>
Metro Management is now accepting packages from artists and bands for consideration of artist representation. Metro is a full scale artist management company that specializes in the progressive/power metal genres. Please forward all packages to: Metro Management 334 Derby Ave. 2-South Derby,CT. 06418 USA
Send all other inquiries to: lanzag@eci.com
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Date: Fri, 26 Jul 1996 16:45:46 -0400 From: Bogie34@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Someone Else? Message-ID: <960726164545_164979163@emout17.mail.aol.com>
In a message dated 96-07-26 08:11:40 EDT, you write:
<< The QR guy uses a real one of PL. Does Geoff Tate play the keys on Someone Else? >>
No. Both on the studio version and in concert, Chris DeGarmo plays the piano on Someone Else?.
Bogie
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Date: Fri, 26 Jul 96 20:42:18 UT From: "Susan " <spatz13@msn.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Michael Hedges Message-ID: <UPMAIL08.199607262039070501@msn.com>
Date: Fri, 26 Jul 1996 15:41:32 GMT From: rterry@inforamp.net (Rick Terry) Subject: KX in TO, Michael Hedges, GC ratings and hidden tracks, Mike Bahr
>great. Does he have any other instrumental albums?
Taproot has only one song with vocals... and it sounds FINE to me... :) He also uses the varitrem on a couple of the songs... and it's in that nifty "audible story in music" format... go GET IT!!
Suz
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Date: Fri, 26 Jul 96 20:54:17 UT From: "Susan " <spatz13@msn.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: RE: YTSEJAM digest 1720 Message-ID: <UPMAIL08.199607262051170180@msn.com>
>Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 20:40:02 -0700 >From: Jennifer <jenibear@gvn.net> >Subject: Metal (doesn't) sell...who's buying?
>>>Hmmmm ... the return of Metal on MTV????? >>::disillusioned smirk:: We wish.. especially those who play it.. but >>metal just doesn't sell enough these days. :( >Don't say that too loud around any of the Japanese 'jammers! ;)
Oooooooooooooh!!!! :::eyebrows up:: Does that mean I might actually sell some albums if I move to Japan??? It's probably the only country in the world I could go to and not have to learn a new language...... :P
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>Date: Fri, 26 Jul 1996 01:38:50 -0500 >From: RipZero <ripzero@dreamt.org> >Subject: vai-able information
>just reminding everyone on the list who owns any steve vai cds to get >them out and listen to them right now, dammit!!!!! shit, why've these >been collecting dust for such a while? they RULE.
Speaking of Vai, is there actually a disk out by him called Leftovers?? It's supposed to be the extras that didn't make FlexAble, but I've never seen it (an I've got ALL the Vai stuff...)
Suz
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>Date: Fri, 26 Jul 1996 13:32:36 +0200 >From: akyuz@ltp.dmx.epfl.ch >Subject: damn
>>Hasn't JP transcribed bit and pieces in Wild Stringdom over the years? >>(Some of us are psychotic enough to keep ALL of our old magazine....) >I was meaning actually bass tabs...
Ok... would it be silly to say that JM probably has a similiar column in a bass magazine somewhere?? There have to be at least SOME bassists who keep back issues...
Suz
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Date: Fri, 26 Jul 1996 21:10:23 GMT From: rterry@inforamp.net (Rick Terry) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Nirvana, The DT cult, Recording post-CON, Unplugged? Message-ID: <31f92e20.63438@mail.inforamp.net>
Hi peeplez!
>Date: Fri, 26 Jul 1996 11:10:42 -0400 (EDT) >From: S Hacker <94001988@lambton.on.ca>
>To: ytsejam@ax.com >Subject: Vai, Satriani, Johnson >Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.93.960726110850.494A-100000@white.lambton.on.ca> > > >HAs anybody heard of late the tour with Steve Vai, Joe Satriani, and Eric >Johnson,
Would that be all three on stage at once? That would be, pardon the term, Nirvana. Do you remember where you first heard it? If they play Canadian dates, I'm going to be at the front of crowd if I have to stand on someone to do it! ;)
>Date: Fri, 26 Jul 1996 12:52:07 -0400 (EDT) >From: "Beavis (Wes Foll)" <wfoll@america.net>
>To: ytsejam@ax.com >Subject: WOW! >Message-ID: <199607261652.MAA08657@atl1.america.net> > >Hey, I'm a VERY new fan to DT and let me say that they are without a doubt, >the most fucking musically talented band I've heard in YEARS.
Welcome to the brotherhood/sisterhood/personhood?!!? (being politically correct can be verbose!) > I just want >to know if they are currently touring and if anyone has a list if dates etc >if they are.
They are not currently touring as a band. The new record will be out in early 1997 and a tour will most likely start in the early spring. John Petrucci and Mike Portnoy are both doing clinics around the US this summer. I'm sure someone will be able to help you with the locations. Derek Sherinian is currently playing gigs with a side project called Ethyl Mertz. Band members include Al Petrelli of Savatage and early reports say that these guys kick! >WHY THE HELL DID IT TAKE ME SO LONG TO LISTEN TO THIS BAND!?!?!?!?!?!
I DON'T KNOW!! :)
However, now that you've arrived, languish in the musical rapture of DT!!
>Date: Fri, 26 Jul 1996 10:14:51 -0700 (PDT) >From: Scott Luttringer <95fa467@dvc.edu>
>place? That's right....at the ytsecon in october. What better incentive >to get everyone to come than to meet DT too! I don't know how many people >think this would work, but so far this is the best idea I've seen >mentioned.
This seems like a good idea to me, but I wonder if it leaves enough time to rehearse.
>Surely someone in the area would be able to offer a rehearsal >space and the actual recording and/or jamming could take place the day >following the Con.
Remember that it can take days to complete a couple of tracks. I suspect that people on the Jam are going to be someone perfectionist minded about this and the project will take a couple of weeks.
>I realize that not everyone can afford to make it all >the way out to NY (myself included) but this seems to be the most >practical way to get everyone together. Well, that's my idea and I hope >that it will help in deciding how to go about this.
All input is appreciated!
>Date: Fri, 26 Jul 1996 13:26:08 -0400 >From: btomko@home.glasscity.net
> O.k...does anyone want to try an ACOUSTIC cover for the tribute >project? I have an upright that I can dig out, drums are acoutic enough, >and, well, someone's gotta have an acoustic guitar. Now what song would we >do...??? Any thoughts?
That might be interesting. Sort of an Acoustic Dreams 2. Is that copyright infringement Mike!? ;) Perhaps a medley of stuff. Waits for Sleep, Surrounded, Silent Man, Another Day, Space Dye Vest, the opening of ACOS. If it was arranged properly it could be stunning. We could call it A Change of Formats: Ytsejam's Unplugged DT Tribute. :) (No I'm not serious about this title. Not even I would get that cheesy)
Cheers,
Rick Toronto
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Date: Fri, 26 Jul 1996 18:04:55 -0400 From: Mark Metzger <mmetzger@bostech.com> To: "'(Ytsejam)'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: New Iced Earth Message-ID: <01BB7B1C.F45F2F00@meridian.btrd.bostech.com>
I thought that some may be interested in getting a heads up on the new Iced Earth CD "The Dark Saga". Iced Earth is a Florida based band (I think) with a hard metal sound and intelligently written songs. I had purchased "Burnt Offerings" and "Stormrider" and liked them a lot, so I went for the new one "sight unseen".
I got a hold of a Digipak CD which includes a bonus cover of Judas Priest's "The Ripper". Decent packaging and only $12 w/o postage (contact centurymed@aol.com if you are interested). The normally aspired CD goes for $10. If anyone is interested in Iced Earth, I would still suggest starting out with Burnt Offerings.
Dark Saga is a concept album somewhat on the lines of Mindcrime but I dont really listen to vocals so I cant offer much on that front. Sadly, even with the cover, the total length is only 47 minutes and this is filled with a lot of shorter songs. I had always preferred their longer songs such as Dante's Inferno so this aspect was a bit of a let down for me.
Their sound is still heavy but seems a bit more accessible than that of either Burnt Offerings or Stormrider. And, I dont get the same level of intelligence in the song writing as on their previous two disks. A couple of songs faded out which pissed me off (does anyone else get pissed off when Learning to Live fades out ??). Still some good riffs, but I would rate it at only 20% worth of a Dream Theatre (drink twice) album. Hmmm. An interesting concept there, eh (20% worth)
Whassssssup Warren ?? Pacemaker still working, you asshole ??
Mark Metzger mmetzger@bostech.com
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Date: Fri, 26 Jul 96 22:50:08 UT From: "call me Joey The Axe Man" <IBANEZ_MAN@msn.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: VH record sales Message-ID: <UPMAIL04.199607262249360374@msn.com>
Mithrander,
i said VH never had a #1 record before sammy which is, i am afraid, true!!!
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Date: Fri, 26 Jul 96 22:54:05 UT From: "call me Joey The Axe Man" <IBANEZ_MAN@msn.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: RE: YTSEJAM digest 1720 Message-ID: <UPMAIL04.199607262253320444@msn.com>
when i saw queesryche live Chris Degarmo played piano on Someone Else!
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Date: Fri, 26 Jul 1996 19:16:44 -0400 From: BLevy@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Jason Becker, Person of the week...(NO DTC) Message-ID: <960726191642_585725873@emout13.mail.aol.com>
I was trying to catch up in my jams at work today (I am still about 25 behind!!), and I read that someone here was interested in a Jason Becker piece that was done on CNN. Well, I am sorry to say I am quite ignorant of his work, but as I was laying around after work, watching world news tonight on ABC, at the end of the newscast on Fridays, they choose a person of the week. Well, they start talking about some guy named Jason Becker. Because I was reading about it today, I grabbed the first tape I could (Tommyknockers part 1, what a disappointment), so I got about 2 minutes or so of a 3 minute piece ABC did on him.
This is real sad, the guy was like your typical looking rock guitarist, and now he is one of those stories of human determination against adversity. It makes you wonder what could be around the corner for any of us. Buy this guy's album, he made it note by note on a computer. He had to move his chin to click a mouse like thing...
L8R, Brian
Now Playing CD-(well, none right now, I am watching the simpsons, but the one in my player now is Jane's Addiction, Ritual de lo Habitual )
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Date: Fri, 26 Jul 1996 20:10:15 -0400 From: jestok@interlog.com (Mike Estok) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Mostly KX and a tad of that state of Ontario Message-ID: <199607270009.UAA07983@gold.interlog.com>
>and also is there >any Jammers from ontario on here? thanks alot
memememememememememememememememememememememememememememe.......
BUT........only for one more month!!!!!!!!!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!
>> 18 Toronto The Warehouse > > YEEAAAAHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I second your notion rick :)
> If any Toronto area jammers are into seeing >them, let's go as a group.
What are you talking about Rick....there are no jammers in Toronto. None :) THey all hang in Mississauga!! I am actually going to drag friends there so they can be exposed to good music, but we can always meet there! See ya tommorrow :)
> I haven't heard MF yet but I like the first one best too.
All I 've heard is MF and I think it kicks serious ass! Can't wait to see them too!!
>From: "Beavis (Wes Foll)"
WAAAAAIIIIT A MINUTE!!!! Didn't someone just say a few days ago that Beavis and Butthead would tear apart Dream Theater? Well, apparently not!!!
Michelob
Currently listening to - King's X "Ear Candy"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
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Date: Fri, 26 Jul 1996 21:49:48 -0400 (EDT) From: "J. Christian Jens" <jjens@cais.com> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: RE: JM articles Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.93.960726214228.9694A-100000@cais.cais.com>
On Fri, 26 Jul 1996, Susan wrote:
> Ok... would it be silly to say that JM probably has a similiar column in a > bass magazine somewhere?? There have to be at least SOME bassists who keep > back issues...
i've been subscribed to Bass Player since...hmmm...a really long time. there's been exactly 3 mentions of John: a short article about him, something from the Q&A section, -- both transcriptions are available at John's Lame DT Page: <http://www.site.gmu.edu/~jjens/dt> -- and he was #7 in the reader's poll. i think there was one other mention but i can't think of it right now.
as for other mags, i dunno. and speaking of readers polls...don't forget to vote. actually, i dont think the latest issue has hit the stands yet. but when it does, it's got a /BRIGHT/ green cover; u cant miss it.
-john YJLHB
j o h n s a v e u r @ c a i s . c o m e n s h t t p : / / w w w . s i t e . g m u . e d u / ~ j j e n s /
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