YTSEJAM Digest 1719
Today's Topics:
1) MORE KING'S-X TOUR DATES
by skooc@ix.netcom.com (Scott Cook)
2) Ibanez USA Custom
by "Mark A. Richman" <mrichman@li.net>
3) Drum Machines
by "Chris Ptacek" <someone@enteract.com>
4) Galactic Cowboys/Critical Mass/ King Crimson
by Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
5) Mike's CD updates
by Jim Beavens <jbeavens@ichips.intel.com>
6) RE: Looking for The Silent Man single.
by rollo@pacificnet.net
7) (Fwd) Click-Click BOOM!
by "Chris Ptacek" <someone@enteract.com>
8) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1718
by John Mastin <johnny@psa.pencom.com>
9) Re: International Fan Club
by Neil Elliott <101352.3261@CompuServe.COM>
10) Nuge. !!!!
by RipZero <ripzero@dreamt.org>
11) Recording studios...
by "Susan " <spatz13@msn.com>
12) DT Tribute Deal....
by Brian Wherry <bwherry@acs.bu.edu>
13) Mercury Rising
by cyclone@securenet.net
14) Awake t-shirt: need address
by Walter S Semerenko <wss88274@pegasus.cc.ucf.edu>
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Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 12:08:09 -0700
From: skooc@ix.netcom.com (Scott Cook)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: MORE KING'S-X TOUR DATES
Message-ID: <199607251908.MAA22942@dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com>
Hi again,
Got more tour dates from the new manager of the Galactic Cowboys list.
The reason that the GC list has em is because they will be opening most
of the shows. remember ALL dates are tentative!!!
Scott Cook
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From: kingsx <kingsx@rfleming.demon.co.uk>
KING'S X "EAR CANDY" TOUR DATES
++Confirmed Dates++
Date City Venue
July 24 Houston Cardi's (warmup show for tour!)
25 Houston Cardi's (warmup show for tour!)
29 Nashville, TN 328 Performance Hall
30 Atlanta, GA Masquerade
31 Raleigh, NC Button South
Aug. 2 Washington Bayou
3 Baltimore, MD A. L. Gators
4 Pittsburgh Metropol
5 Philadelphia Middle East
7 New York Tramp's
8 New York Tramp's
9 Long Island CPI
10 Old Bridge, NY Birch Hill
12 Hartford Webster Theatre
13 Providence The Strand
14 Boston Axis
++Tentative Dates++
(please note: the dates below are tentative at this stage
and are not definite until they are fully confirmed)
Aug. 16 Albany Saratogo Winners
17 Buffalo Showplace
18 Toronto The Warehouse
19 Cleveland Odeon
21 Louisville Toy Tiger
22 Chicago The Metro
23 Grand Rapids WKLQ Show
24 Detroit Palladium
26 Minneapolis
27 Milwaukee
29 Springfield or
Kansas City or
Wichita
31 Dallas Trees
Sept. 1 Houston The Buzz Fest (107.5)
The Galactic Cowboys are scheduled to open for all shows except the
two Houston warmup shows and the Sept. 1 Buzzfest.
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Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 15:16:24 -0400
From: "Mark A. Richman" <mrichman@li.net>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Ibanez USA Custom
Message-ID: <9607251913.AA14764@gatekeeper.canon.com>
Hey!!! I am new to the Ytsejam listserv...
Where can I get the best price on an Ibanez USA Custom, similar to JP's?
What is the average new street price on that?
Also, what amp would give me a similar tone to JP, under $1000.
Thanks
Mark Richman
mrichman@li.net
http://www.li.net/~mrichman
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Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 14:23:30 +0000
From: "Chris Ptacek" <someone@enteract.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Drum Machines
Message-ID: <199607251922.OAA03293@enteract.com>
This seems to be the way it works when you use a drum machine (Such
as the legendary DR-5) to do your bass, keys and drums: Wow... I
saves a butt load of money! This sounds really cool... but sort
of... dry... Hmmm.
That's what I thought when I went all Drum Machine. That's what all
my friends thought when they used them. I think it's the best thing
to do for a demo, or a recording that you are doing on a 4 track or
for personal use. You just can't beat a good drummer though... I
mean, unless you are a drummer you won't be able to program fills
that sound as good as a real live drummer playing. The only time a
drum machine has ever sounded real to me was Shawn Lane's Powers of
Ten album, where he played all the drums on keyboard, real time, with
no loops. That was wild. Michaelangelo did a great job of drum
programming on his latest release, as did Derek Taylor (on some songs
it's machine, on others it's this freaking awesome drummer whose name
I can't spell off the top o me head) and Scott Stine (See the note
on Derek Taylor. Same thing here.)
I couldn't say for sure that you won't be happy. You could turn out
to be some virtuoso programmer, and not even know it until you try.
I'd say give it a whirl, and if it comes out cool, then go with it.
If you are dissappointed, go with human beings or reasonable
facsimile.
>
> My View is this.....Feel and Click are two different things that ONLY
> clash when
> a drummer can't play well....If you can't play in time, with feel.....what
> makes you think
> that you can do it out of time!?!!!!
>
> >
> > You're a guitarist I presume
>
> That is one of the instruments I play regularly....yes...but I don't
> think that makes
> an ounce of difference....Time is Time.....A band in perfect time with a
> real out of time
> guitar will still sound like shit....
>
> > so you're probably NOT the one starting off
> > each song with the drummer in studio, so you don't really need that
> > feeling. You're only too glad to lay your riffs on something as regular
> as
> > possible.
>
> Not regular...If I wanted regular...I would have slurped down some
> metimucil....
> In Time...is what I want...and I think that if you don't have
> time....well...2 tons of feel ain't
> gonna make up for shit....
>
>
>
> MOJO....
Rock on Senor Mojo. I'm so sick of people acting like because I'm a
guitarist, there's no way I could have a sense of time equaling that
of a bassist or drummer. I know butt loads of drummers who can't
keep time for crap, and even more bassists with this affliction. If
you think you're some kind of bad ass timing god (and this is not
directed at you, Dave, this is just a statement.) and you feel you
can say that, go listen to Al DiMeola. He's a better percussionist
on guitar than almost any drummer I've ever heard is.
Or listen to Michael Hedges. When I sit down and play one of his
tunes (complete with melodic counterpoint and polyrhythms) I don't
need or even frigging WANT a bassist or drummer with me.
Chris Ptacek
EnterAct, L.L.C.
someone@enteract.com
K Elf Amon@Aol.Com (Emergency Use Only)
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"True Syncophants know how to spell 'syncophancy'...
otherwise they can't get into the meetings."
-Mike Keneally
~Buy Perspectives, by Jason Becker. Support ALS~
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Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 15:14:58 -0400 (EDT)
From: Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
To: Dream Theater Mailing List <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Galactic Cowboys/Critical Mass/ King Crimson
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.960725151010.21869D-100000@bdmserver>
I've jsut recently picked up the first cd by GC and I have to say that I
think the first cd is their best cd.
I'd rank them
1. GC
2. Space in your face
3. Machine Fish
MF is way too thrashy and a lot of the great vocal harmonies on the first
one are missing on MF. Space is sorta in between.
Space also has those 2 annoying hidden tracks...
Will Mike Bahr explain track 20 on disk 2 of critical Mass? Where is this
from?
I have King Crimson's Larks... and was wondering if the volume on all the
old KC cds is just as low as it is on this cd? It is a little annoying.
Did anyone else get the Jethro Tull Tribute?
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Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 12:39:15 -0700
From: Jim Beavens <jbeavens@ichips.intel.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Mike's CD updates
Message-ID: <199607251939.MAA25572@ichips.intel.com>
Just a quick note I've been meaning to mention for a while now.
Does anyone here really object to Mike Bahr posting his CD updates
to the 'jam? Whether I'm busy doing work, or just lazy at the time,
it's kind of a pain to find a web page that has it, or to email Mike
and wait for him to wade through his massive inbox.
If I recall, he stopped posting them back when we had serious
bandwidth problems back at the end of last year, and Ken started
moderating the list. Now that it's summer and the traffic's died
down (and we're not moderated anymore), what's holding you back,
Mike? Let 'er fly!
This is a minor nitpick, I know, but Mike's updates have a hell of
a lot more DT content than Van Halen or the use of clicks.
Just a thought...
Jim
-- Jim Beavens <jbeavens@ichips.intel.com> | If I had a witty remark that MD6 Design Engineer, Intel Corp, Hillsboro OR | would better the lives of my -=(UDIC)=- Subconscious Dragon -=(UDIC)=- | fellow mankind, do you really ** I don't speak for Intel ** | think I would put it HERE?------------------------------
Date: Thu, 25 Jul 96 19:56:23 GMT From: rollo@pacificnet.net To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: RE: Looking for The Silent Man single. Message-ID: <M.072596.125623.18518073@pm8-23.pacificnet.net>
>From: ytsejam@ax.com on behalf of Chris Groves >Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 1996 8:22 PM >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: Looking for The Silent Man single.
>Also, if anyone in any other place in the world can acquire this single for >me, assistance would be great.
I have seen it in some stores in my area. Email me if you would like me to grab a copy or two for you.
--- William Rollo - rollo@pacificnet.net--- --- http://www.pacificnet.net/~rollo --- --- La Fortune Passe Partout ---
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Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 15:02:38 +0000 From: "Chris Ptacek" <someone@enteract.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: (Fwd) Click-Click BOOM! Message-ID: <199607252002.PAA05026@enteract.com>
. Not playing with a click allows the performers > to fluctuate the tempo of the song (not drastically or noticeably) > according to the way they feel and the mood of the parts. It's
Maybe I'm special, but I've always been able to listen to a click ,and fluctuate with it according to mood. This to me is no harder than being able to listen to a polyrhythm, or being able to play one half of a polyrhythm. I can also walk and chew gum at the same time. So a click doesn't hinder that either.
> Dream Theater did not use a click on WDADU.
I didn't know that, but I can believe it, because there are parts on that album where I think the guitar is just a little bit off. But I'm not sure that means they didn't use a click. Where did you hear that? Curious.
> Where in the > live in Tokyo did DT use a click? Nowhere that I can see, especially > since the tempos varied from what's on the albums. If you try to get > a click to run thru the first few minutes of Learning to Live it > won't work because the tempo varies from part to part (I don't just > mean the chorus).
Well, not everyone that uses a click is stuck in the dark ages of wind up metronomes. It's really convenient that you use this example, because in the LIT video, the part where they show a click is Learning to Live. Watch it again. It's one of the early parts of the video, with the studio footage. As far as a click running through something, you can make the crappiest drum machine change times in midsong. That's just what you do in situations like Learning to Live.
Now, a word about time: After a clinic by Rod Morgenstein, I completely changed my stance on clicks and metronomes. Sure, you may not need a click, but no, it won't hurt you, if you have enough experience playing with one. Dragging a part for dramatic purposes doesn't mean losing time. I'm sure you know this. And as such, a click won't interfere. Playing with a click doesn't mean doing like the click does at all times. It's simply a reference point. It NEVER sounds good to lose time. A click doesn't take away from your feel. If anything it gives you more confidence with which to express yourself. I can see how you guys would think that, because if it's your first or second experience playing with a click, it CAN take away flavor from your playing. But once you are accustomed to it, it makes you stronger.
Rod Morgenstein does this little experiment at his clinics. Take a metronome and put it at 120 bpm. Clap along with the beat. Then drop it to 60 bpm and clap double time (Basically clap the same speed as you were with the metronome at 120). You'll see that the fewer clicks you have the harder it becomes to have perfect time. Even when it sounds good to us, it can be off time. Playing with a metronome or a click can help fix this.
I refuse to believe that having good timing can impede your playing, of ANY instrument. If a click is used properly, all it does it assist you to play better in time.
Chris Ptacek EnterAct, L.L.C. someone@enteract.com K Elf Amon@Aol.Com (Emergency Use Only) --------------------------------------- "True Syncophants know how to spell 'syncophancy'... otherwise they can't get into the meetings." -Mike Keneally
~Buy Perspectives, by Jason Becker. Support ALS~ ----------------------------------------------------
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Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 15:05:12 -0500 (CDT) From: John Mastin <johnny@psa.pencom.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1718 Message-ID: <199607252005.PAA16648@psa.pencom.com>
I'm a little behind on this thread so excuse me while I kiss the sky... ooops, I mean excuse me if what I have to say has already been covered. :D
Someone mentioned about having to cart their equipment all over the place in order to do the DT tribute thing and also mentioned that it could end up costing us and that we might not break even with our efforts. (you never know, the tribute band could someday open up for DT!.....yeah, keep dreaming!)
I'm not a lawyer but why can't we do a tribute thing and mention that it is a tribute? (the whole issue with the Rush tribute not being stopped by the band/management.) Wouldn't we fall under the same catagory? I'm not a lawyer nor a fancy-pants record producer so I don't know what are the sticky details... Anyone? I mean, what is everyone looking for in this? To get rich? I don't think so. To do something to say "we did it." Sure. As long as it doesn't cost us an arm and a leg to do it. I don't think everyone is wanting to have it take over the world.
I don't want to volunteer services but there is at least one person who has a producing connection that could "prismize" everything to a CD. ;-)
As for volunteers, I'd volunteer to sing (but I'd probably get boo'd SO bad that I'd have to change my name... waitaminute, I already DID change my name, so what the Hell, if you need an extra singer...) :D
As for getting everyone together for this under one roof, it will be a tough thing to do. Money-wise and time-wise. With everyone living all over creation plus different schedules... I saw that promo thing for the MIDI instruments over a network connection thing. Yeah, I'm sure every network administrator wants to hear that you need to bump up to a T3 line because someone wants to pump music out of their site! :D Anyway, couldn't we do the same thing that QR did for Promised Land? Get someone to lay down some basic tracks and have everyone record separately from them and then get someone to mix it all together. That way, you don't have to scrape together for plane fare to go all over God's green earth to practice and record. This might be the way we all could audition for it anyway. I mean the end result might not be as good as renting out a studio and all that but from what I gather, this is going to be more of a *ahem* "different" type of recording in which the quality of such recordings may not be as good as studio produced ones anyhow.
Hey, we're all virtually connected to each other; why not make a recording the same way????
I dunno, maybe I'm just freakin' crazy.
Johnny Motown - member YJLHB (still!)
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Date: 25 Jul 96 16:42:38 EDT From: Neil Elliott <101352.3261@CompuServe.COM> To: "INTERNET:ytsejam@ax.com" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: International Fan Club Message-ID: <960725204238_101352.3261_JHP73-1@CompuServe.COM>
Now that the NEW International Fan Club is up and running successfully, and members old and new, have started to receive their regular mail-outs, I thought I'd just post to assure people who in the past were thinking about signing up but we're unsure as to whether they would receive stuff etc., that all is now okay, and that I can guarantee that you will receive regular news, information, interviews etc. via the quarterly fan club magazine.
If anyone is interested in joining the growing band of fans, then drop me a line,and I will e-mail you all the relevant details on how to sign-up.
I have just finished speaking to Mike and he has passed onto me some interesting news concerning the new material. You can read the full interview in the next issue of the fan club magazine due out in September.
So don't delay, seize the day, join today!
For now,
Neil Elliott ****************** Director - DTIFC + ******************
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Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 15:58:49 -0500 From: RipZero <ripzero@dreamt.org> To: Heavy Metal Computer Nerds <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Nuge. !!!! Message-ID: <31F7E009.5408@dreamt.org>
saw ted nugent again last night.... Ohhhhhh SHIT that guys puts out a fuck of a show!! i'm listening to Spirit of the Wild now, i'm definately on a nugnet kick.. :) Bad Co. openend up, as they did last year, but they played a much better set this year. last year they had just released Company of Strangers and they were really pushing the cd.. this year it was just all the fav.s and they rocked a lot harder. as for ted- what can i say? :) ted always opens up in the damndest ways... last year it was the middle of intermission... the lights cut, the stage opens, the stage lights shine, and the band blasts out louder then shit.. and scaring the shit out of everyone in the audience i might add.. and it all happened in a split second :) this year the lights cut out, then you hear this louder than god tiger roar and the curtains fly open and ted's pirched up on the amps, like a vulture. =) amazing. but the best part of the show had to have been when he shot one of the guitars with a flaming arrow :) it was just a firecracker really... but it was still cool as hell.
i saw ozzy last week. same seats as ted concert, just as close, ozzy was not loud, he was old and tired and wimpy. i'm sorry to say it cuz i'm a big ozzy fan, got all the cds, i WORSHIP randy rhoads, but he's too damn old. but then i realized ted is just as old, and he rocks harder and louder than any of the younger bands... so ozz is just a wimp :)
and one last thing- at the satriani show, the alice cooper show, and the ozzy show... each and every one of them i saw a guy in an awake shirt!! now i'm not sure if it was the same guy or whatever but if you were at any of the shows in St Louis Missouri, the cooper and ozz shows were at Riverpot Amphitheater, satriani was at the American Theater, and you were wearing a dt shirt, and you read this, mail me!!! oh yeah, best part of the show wasnt when he shot the guitar.. it was when he played KISS MY ASS!
thats about it! "every body sucks, but i suck less" - nuge
~Rip
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Date: Thu, 25 Jul 96 21:56:04 UT From: "Susan " <spatz13@msn.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Recording studios... Message-ID: <UPMAIL08.199607252152560517@msn.com>
>Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 13:38:39 +0000 >From: "Chris Ptacek" <someone@enteract.com> >Subject: Dave's Ytse-Idea
but if I have to spend hundreds on a plane ticket for myself and my gear, I'll likely not be capable of paying for studio time.
Good point... as anyone considered using a school's recording program? MI and Berklee both have very good ones -- with discounted rates. The good news is that they keep their studios updated and well-stocked. I thik AI might have one.. ???
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Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 18:08:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Brian Wherry <bwherry@acs.bu.edu> To: The Jam <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: DT Tribute Deal.... Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9607251846.B101363-0100000@acs4.bu.edu>
Hey, guys. I just sequenced Erotomania and if someone could tell me how to make a midi file for it then I could send it out to people and they could practice along with it and whatnot, removing whatever instrument they play.... With all this talk of people's extensive studio experience and DAT's and clicks and everything else, there's gotta be at least one person that knows how to make a midi file! Maybe some people are interested in doing that tune for the tribute?? I'll do Voices, too, if there's some interest and if someone knows about making midi files and will tell/show me how to make them.
The nitty gritty:
I sequenced the tune on a Yamaha QY-20, and I have Cakewalk and Trax software, but I don't know exactly how to set up the software to receive the midi information and whatnot.... Can anyone help me?
Tankyouveddymuch. :)
--
Brian Wherry Boston University Computer Enigineering '98 bwherry@acs.bu.edu http://acs.bu.edu:8001/~bwherry/home.html
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Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 16:08:44 -0700 (PDT) From: cyclone@securenet.net To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Mercury Rising Message-ID: <199607252308.QAA11323@mindcrime.ax.com>
hello,
There's a cool band that most of you will definitely like. They're called MERCURY RISING. Check out my web page "Music in Progress" for more info: www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip.4257/
Elvis Batur ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------- Elvis B. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------
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Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 20:07:29 -0400 (EDT) From: Walter S Semerenko <wss88274@pegasus.cc.ucf.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Awake t-shirt: need address Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.93.960725200541.409B-100000@Pegasus>
Whoever posted the address and phone # of the place that sells Awake t-shirts, please email me. I deleted the jam.
Thanks,
Walter.
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