YTSEJAM Digest 1718
Today's Topics:
1) If anyone sees this,please, HELP MEEEE!!!!!
by Jacques Ferland <sebsammy@generation.net>
2) RE: Looking for The Silent Man single.
by "Susan " <spatz13@msn.com>
3) RE: YTSEJAM digest 1717
by "Susan " <spatz13@msn.com>
4) (U)The great Van Halen debate
by "Steven Johnson" <svjohnson@amoco.com>
5) Tribute, Talent vs. sales
by rterry@inforamp.net (Rick Terry)
6) clockwork
by bishop@cts1.internetwis.com (Mathew)
7) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1716
by akyuz@ltp.dmx.epfl.ch
8) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1714
by "Pandaman <YM>" <76262.3207@CompuServe.COM>
9) another web cd store
by The Digital Man <cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu>
10) click click click click click ........
by "Ryan P. Skadberg" <skadberg@wicked.stigmata.org>
11) Guitar CD-ROM's
by nishiki@juno.com (Aaron Silverman)
12) Sting
by btomko@main.glasscity.net
13) Trubute: UAGM
by btomko@main.glasscity.net
14) Dave's Ytse-Idea
by "Chris Ptacek" <someone@enteract.com>
15) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1714
by "Chris Ptacek" <someone@enteract.com>
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Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 09:42:38 -0400
From: Jacques Ferland <sebsammy@generation.net>
To: "'Ytsejam Mailing List'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Cc: "'Sebastien Ferland'" <sebsammy@generation.net>
Subject: If anyone sees this,please, HELP MEEEE!!!!!
Message-ID: <01BB7A0F.0AAE16E0@portA52.Generation.NET>
Hey guys,
If anyone of you lives in the Montreal region and is looking for a band,
well...I NEED A BASSIST AND A KEYBOARDIST,PRONTO!!!
Send me some email at sebsammy@generation.net, send me some regular mail,
phone me, send smoke signals, but just reach me, please! I'm desperate
here! Me and my band are into all kindza stuff, but mostly DT, Rush, Yes,
Genesis, Metallica, Pink floyd... all the same influences as DT, you know?
I posted my name of the Fan Network at www.rsabbs.com/dt , so you can
reach me real quick through it.
Save Our Souls (or at least my band's),
Seb
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Date: Thu, 25 Jul 96 05:11:40 UT
From: "Susan " <spatz13@msn.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: RE: Looking for The Silent Man single.
Message-ID: <UPMAIL08.199607251433440919@msn.com>
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From: ytsejam@ax.com on behalf of Chris Groves
Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 1996 8:22 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list
Subject: Looking for The Silent Man single.
>Also, if anyone in any other place in the world can acquire this single for
>me, assistance would be great.
I've seen t in...um...Media Play here I think...a few times but haven't had
the cash to buy it then....
Does anybody happen to have a list of everything released (official and
unofficial as far as possible) that I can compare my (miniture) collection to?
Suz
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Date: Thu, 25 Jul 96 15:01:07 UT
From: "Susan " <spatz13@msn.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: RE: YTSEJAM digest 1717
Message-ID: <UPMAIL08.199607251457560436@msn.com>
>Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 11:46:20 +0200
>From: akyuz@ltp.dmx.epfl.ch
>Subject: this damn click-thread
>Finally, while we're at this neck-deep, could anyone recommend a
>programmable clicker with ability to program tempo-changes? I know regular
>drum-machines cannot.
I do a TON a tempo changes with my drum machine.. it's a Boss DR5. You
simply program your song (or whatever) into sections -- when you string
together the patterns and create a new "song" where the tempo changes are and
then chain them together. With my machine, you hit a button and it says CHAIN
TO and you scrool to the song number. Really simple. I think that, right
now, I've got... 7 of them chained together for the first two parts of a song
that's kinda ACoS but obviously not that brilliant.
Suz
Spatz13@MSN.COM
WWW.GEOCITIES.COM/SUNSETSTRIP/3781
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>Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 12:11:12 +0200
>From: akyuz@ltp.dmx.epfl.ch
>Subject: DTribute
>> If anyone has any tab or sheet music for any of the proposed
>>tracks, we should make it accessible to people who are interested in
>>the project ASAP.
>WEB PAGES! WEB PAGES!
I've got plenty of HD space on my server if you want to put a bunch of stuff
in one place... I'm adding a DT page this weekend -- I can just as easilly
put in a YtseJam one...
>Yes, but they didn't include anything I couldn't have figured out in half
>an hour. I think for this tab business, we'll need support from DT
>themselves.
Hasn't JP transcribed bit and pieces in Wild Stringdom over the years?
(Some of us are psychotic enough to keep ALL of our old magazine....)
Suz
Spatz13@MSN.COM
WWW.GEOCITIES.COM/SUNSETSTRIP/3781
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And finally....
<File: WINMAIL.DAT> what is THIS doing here?? For that matter what IS it?
(Don't say (a file attach -- I KNOW that...)
Suz
Spatz13@MSN.COM
WWW.GEOCITIES.COM/SUNSETSTRIP/3781
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Date: 25 Jul 1996 09:54:09 GMT
From: "Steven Johnson" <svjohnson@amoco.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: (U)The great Van Halen debate
Message-ID: <199607251459.AA16909@interlock.amoco.com>
I've been lurking on this one because I liked Van Halen better than Van Hagar,
I feel VH wrote sound-alike songs with Sammy, etc. The band decided to keep
with the bombastic compositions of "Jump" forever. Their first two albums with
Sammy were great (5150, OU812)....But better then Women and Children First?
Hell no!
>feel your love tonight
>ice cream man
>jamie's crying
>beautiful girls
>dance the night away
>outta love again
>women in love
>you're no good
>dancing in the street
>happy trails
>oh, pretty woman
>where have all the good times gone
>hot for teacher
>I'll wait
>take your whiskey home
>those are just a few of the poppy/love/non rocker songs Van Halen did
>with DLR.
This came from Pat Daugherty. Take another look at the list. See the
diversity in styles there? Hard blues like "Take your whiskey..." and "Ice
Cream Man" to high school metal in "Hot For Teacher" to pop/dance"Dance The
Night Away" to the smug "Happy Trails". You think Sammy could deliver "DOA"?
They are completely different styles, but Dave was a better rocker. ANd for
people to say they've "matured" with Sammy, I disagree. I don't see having
every song sound like "Wings" is maturing AND Sammy is known in the biz as
being as sexually sophmoric as they come (see the oh so mature title of their
third Sammy album).
I liked Van Hagar....I LOVED Van Halen. LATER-
Steve
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"You may remember me from such movies as 'P is for Pyscho' and
'The President's Neck is Missing!'"
- actor Troy McClure
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Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 15:07:18 GMT
From: rterry@inforamp.net (Rick Terry)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Tribute, Talent vs. sales
Message-ID: <31f784ee.55144@mail.inforamp.net>
"How could you be so cruel, and expect to have your lawn mower
returned?!!" - James LaBrie - Voices (The Landscaping Sessions)
>Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 12:11:12 +0200
>From: akyuz@ltp.dmx.epfl.ch
>Now to Rick:
>Most probably, the playlist will turn up to be made up of the simplest
>songs (yes, there are simple DT songs!!)
Agreed. Most of the songs on WDADU would be relatively easy to
do. Some of the stuff on I&W would also be possible. I'm not so sure
about Awake though. Does anyone here own a seven string? CIAW, Lie and
Mirror all sound pretty hollow without the low B.
>> If anyone has any tab or sheet music for any of the proposed
>>tracks, we should make it accessible to people who are interested in
>>the project ASAP.
>
>WEB PAGES! WEB PAGES!
Yup. I think that's the only way. I would also like to see it
available via FTP if possible.
>Yes, but they didn't include anything I couldn't have figured out in half
>an hour. I think for this tab business, we'll need support from DT
>themselves.
Hmmmm. This should be brought to their attention soon then,
particularly if we are semi-seriously considering releasing this
thing. Royalties could be required and that would pretty much kill us.
>> La-Bree. Just like the cheese. :)
>
>Damn. You got there before me! :-)
MooohahHAHAHH!!! :)
>Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 09:03:25 -0400
>From: Jacques Ferland <sebsammy@generation.net>
> Point taken, although I still think it might be nice for us to
>give them something as a token of appreciation. Besides, you have no
>idea how good a writer I am! :)
>
>Bud, if you were THAT good, I would be out there buying your cd right now.
>So don't get a big head with this.
A big head! Ha! You must not be reading these threads
carefully. See that smiley? That means I'm joking. Internet 101 -
Basic symbol utilization. Besides, I'm about as far from being an
egomaniac as you can get, and to be honest, I think you have a FUCK of
a lot of nerve for suggesting that I am here.
In addition, being talented and having a record released are
only peripherally related. I can think of TONS of bands in the Toronto
area who are good enough to be signed by huge labels, but they won't
be because of the fact that the industry's taste is in it's ass.
Just because you haven't been signed, doesn't mean you suck.
If that were the case, my band never would have recorded a
professional quality demo. We had been shopping it around and we
always got the same answer. "It rocks, and you sound great, but that
music isn't a big seller right now." So, for the moment, things are on
hold and we are sticking with our day jobs.
Cheers,
Rick
Toronto
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Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 09:52:19 -0500
From: bishop@cts1.internetwis.com (Mathew)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: clockwork
Message-ID: <199607251452.JAA03231@cts1.internetwis.com>
hi all!
get a copy of clockwork:weaving webs of time. it rules!!!
Paradox
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Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 17:29:17 +0200
From: akyuz@ltp.dmx.epfl.ch
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1716
Message-ID: <v02130500ae1d412f466d@[128.178.99.94]>
Mojo:
>He said that Dream Theater uses clicks WHEN POSSIBLE....Some stuff...(a
>particular
That's my opinion...when possible.
> WHOA....WHOA....WHOA.....Like I said.....I posted once.....
ok. ok.
> That is one of the instruments I play regularly....yes...but I don't
>think that makes
>an ounce of difference....Time is Time.....A band in perfect time with a
>real out of time
>guitar will still sound like shit....
Yeah but I still maintain that a bassist putting down a track on a
prerecorded drum (recorded w/o click) will have more problems than a
guitarist doing it over bass and drums prerecorded. I've had to CHANGE my
bass lines in studio just because my dumbfuck (ex-)drummer couldn't count
in his fuckin'ead!!! If all's done with a click, then you lay down your
bass lines over drum AND click, and things are easier. But as I said, if
it's not possible, it's not possible!
........................................................................
D A V E K I N G
vox & bass MT-20
"holding on is easier than letting go" (fw)
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Date: 25 Jul 96 12:36:23 EDT
From: "Pandaman <YM>" <76262.3207@CompuServe.COM>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1714
Message-ID: <960725163622_76262.3207_GHM69-4@CompuServe.COM>
I'm sorry for bargining in on the jam linke this <sorry, I cna't correct typos since if I do, the text format will get messier>, but does anybdy here know how I can reach Ibanez USA electronically?
<online, I mean>...
In december, I got one of their USRG guitars <turns out to be the biggest mistake i my lif next to 'retiring' from piano>, and since them, I had to send it back for exchanges 4 times...
Since I had to move back to Japan in June, I was a big pressed on time, and on the 3rd time, they sent me a total new replacement for threefree... Now this guitar didn(t have neck warps and all that, or a dent in a fret, but it
had a neck pocked which was angled against the body so that the neck would tildt over to the treble side more...
The pocket was also too deep, which gives the ibanez usrg to havehe ability to have string action higher than any of the electrics I onwn <inc. a battered up $150 Yamaha>, AND terrible fret buzz.
A guy from ibanez came over and he said it had to be replaced, and they sent it back to Pennsylvania.. well I get it back in the end of June, about 2 days before I move, and I find afout after the clamour of the moving that
They did NOT replace the guitar, but they just bolted on the neck a bit differently <looser> so it would be okay for the tilt part... needless to say, the neck was VERY unstable in the pocket, and right now, it is out of the question to play anything
resembling technical playing on this instrument... It has high action AND an immense buzz on the 9th fret, and I have a pretty big backbow on the neck to keep its action from going into the centimeters...
I'm pretty uspset in my $1--- investment, and I'd like to know any way I could get this guitar fixed up again by Ibanez... <for free, of course>... A local uitar guyrepair person told me that the repairs would have to consist of
filling the neck pocket AND the tremolo catvity <that part also is screwed>, and then routing it ut all over... coming at around $800+...
I thus want to know any way I can conctact Ibanez USA preferably by email about this situation. Also, if anybody else on the list has the USRG30, has anybody had problms as bad as me?
ie. 7 months after purchase, 4 times shipped back, and still unplayable? <sure I can let my brother use it for slide, but..>..
thanks for any info.
PM
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Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 12:53:45 -0400 (EDT)
From: The Digital Man <cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu>
To: Ytse Jam <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: another web cd store
Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9607251209.I27915-0100000@griffin.emba.uvm.edu>
So, I'm reading Suck (www.suck.com) today, and I decide to check out one
of their sponsors, Music Blvd. (www.musicblvd.com). Naturally, there's
only one way to determine the worth of a site like this, so I search for
Dream Theater. They have WDADU (on CD for $8.99, I might add, but it's
the reissue), I&W, Awake, and ACos. The cool thing is they have ratings
for everything. WDADU has no rating, and Awake and ACoS are rated as
"OK," but I&W is rated Best of Genre!!! Cool, huh?
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The Digital Man \|/ ____ \|/ Secretary
cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu "@'/ ,. \`@" UVM Comp Sci Student Assn
d-man@dreamt.org /_| \__/ |_\ "He won't need a bed
http://www.emba.uvm.edu/~cmerlo \__U_/ He's a digital man" - Peart
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Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 13:08:46 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Ryan P. Skadberg" <skadberg@wicked.stigmata.org>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: click click click click click ........
Message-ID: <199607251708.NAA03438@wicked.stigmata.org>
Hey all ....
a few quick comments then more ....
clicks -> take it to private email
our band should have used clicks -> take it to private email
VH / DLR / Hagar -> Take it to private email (or the VH list)
Are you seeing the light yet?
OK, I haven't posted in a while, so I will get
this all out in one nice long post (maybe)
Someone asked about Arsin, I have the CD, it is
very cool. Definately more power metal than prog.
Listening to it now. Definately influenced by alot
of bands that people on this list tend to listen to.
I like it :)
All the IRC stuff that was posted to the list.
This is something that should NOT be on this list. I
am the one who runs the server and I am the one who controls
things like Klines. If you have a problem, email ME directly.
I don't want IRC problems on here. The real story was that
Sledge was Klined by me after doing something wrong.
Because he and Tempus share the same provider, they both
ended up K-lined. End of story.
Saw Everclear for the fourth time last Friday.
These guys are definately my favorite "alternative" band.
Tracy Bonham and Spacehog opened, both were also real
good. You know you've seen a good show when your shirt
is still damp 12 hours after the show :)
I am still way behind on email, so if I owe you
mail about anything (trades :):) I will hopefully get to
it today or tommorrow.
One final thing. Any of the Boston area jammers
going to or want to go to either the
Anthrax/Misfits/Life of Agony show on Aug 1 or the Slayer
show on Aug 7? I will probably be going, but at the
moment think I will be alone for at least the first
show. Also, any jammers gonna be attending the Tori show
at Harborlights on Sept 9? (Email me back privately :)
That's all for now
Skadz
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Ryan P Skadberg skadz@soundlogic.com
Internet / Network / Systems Consultant
Sound Logic Consulting New Media Communications
http://www.soundlogic.com http://www.mindstorm.com
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nothing can stop me now cause i don't care anymore - nin
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Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 14:06:35 PST
From: nishiki@juno.com (Aaron Silverman)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Guitar CD-ROM's
Message-ID: <19960725.140645.9758.2.nishiki@juno.com>
Hey gang,
I recently saw in the store a series of instructional
guitar/keyboard CD-ROMs created by the Munich Guitar Institute (or
something like that). They were called: Rock Guitar, Blues Guitar,
Jazz Guitar, Blues Piano, Paul Gilbert, and I think Jazz Piano. Is
anyone familiar with these, i.e. are they worth checking out? Please
email me if you've tried any of them.
Thanks,
DJKA
nishiki@juno.com
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Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 14:18:51 -0400
From: btomko@main.glasscity.net
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Sting
Message-ID: <B0000255311@home.glasscity.net>
Sting put on a great show last night. His versions of
"Synchronicity II" and "Englishman in New York" were phenomenal, and he
danced around the stage all night. The only noticable mistake came during
"Synchronicity II" when he caught a glimpse of the antics of the saxophone
and trombone players behind him and broke off laughing. His bass sounded
awesome, too.
Opening for Sting was Lyle Lovett and his Large Band. They were
pretty good, the best part being a wild solo on the last tune by the
cellist. That was the first awesome cello solo I've seen. Later, Sting and
Lyle Lovett did a duet that came off pretty well, but I don't remember it at
all. Oh well. Back to sleep.
Mark Tomko
spector@dreamt.org
-or-
btomko@main.glasscity.net
Pennies on the Ground=Tax Free Income
"Jaco was astonished, Tony Levin thought me mad..."
"They sat awhile in silence, then they turned at last to me. We will call
you Spector; the god of Low Notes you shall be...."
-Rush
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Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 14:18:54 -0400
From: btomko@main.glasscity.net
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Trubute: UAGM
Message-ID: <B0000255312@home.glasscity.net>
I'd like to contribute to this tribute effort, and I've been hunting
for days for a JM line I can play. I think I've got one, but I don't have
the entire song figured out, and I was wondering if anyone knew where I
might be able to find music or give me some assistance. The song is Under a
Glass Moon. Does anyone know where I can find this information? I do have
access to a four track recorder, but what I'd prefer to do is get a tape of
the other parts, and play along, listening to that , and then mail the four
track tape with my bass line along with the reference tape to whoever is
doing the mixing. Is this possible, anyone? Please email me.
Mark Tomko
spector@dreamt.org
-or-
btomko@main.glasscity.net
Pennies on the Ground=Tax Free Income
"Jaco was astonished, Tony Levin thought me mad..."
"They sat awhile in silence, then they turned at last to me. We will call
you Spector; the god of Low Notes you shall be...."
-Rush
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Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 13:38:39 +0000
From: "Chris Ptacek" <someone@enteract.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Dave's Ytse-Idea
Message-ID: <199607251838.NAA01087@enteract.com>
This is all fine and dandy, but are you REALLY going to ask
musicians from around the world to spend the bucks to travel WITH
GEAR to record a cd that may well end up earning HUGE legal
penalties? What are we going to do... record this cd and give it
away? You can't sell it without the band AND the label's
permission... the latter usually being unreasonable. I would love to
take part in this. I can learn a few DT songs in a matter of days,
so I'm not worried about getting my "10 songs" but if I have to spend
hundreds on a plane ticket for myself and my gear, I'll likely not be
capable of paying for studio time. And I have no intention of
breaking copyright agreements with one of my favorite bands. Doing
something this serious simply has to be discussed with the proper
authorities.
Sorry if reality isn't CONSTRUCTIVE enough for you, but this game
plan ain't gonna roll. Not yet anyway.
Chris Ptacek
EnterAct, L.L.C.
someone@enteract.com
K Elf Amon@Aol.Com (Emergency Use Only)
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"True Syncophants know how to spell 'syncophancy'...
otherwise they can't get into the meetings."
-Mike Keneally
~Buy Perspectives, by Jason Becker. Support ALS~
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Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 13:56:43 +0000
From: "Chris Ptacek" <someone@enteract.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1714
Message-ID: <199607251856.NAA02016@enteract.com>
>
> 1. Our drummer hadn't practised and we hadn't rehearsed with clicks long
> enough prior to entering studio.
>
> 2. More than half the songs wouldn't have allowed a single-tempo click: we
> would've had to program the whole song. And that's time-consuming.
>
> So please stop this bullshit that click is necessary, standard or what-not.
> I'd personally prefer clicking, because that would make me feel better as
> long as it doesn't kill the feeling with my drummer. Not because I feel it
> has to be done that way.
How about you relax a bit? This is a discussion. It's obviously a
topic of interest.
> You're a guitarist I presume, so you're probably NOT the one starting off
> each song with the drummer in studio, so you don't really need that
> feeling. You're only too glad to lay your riffs on something as regular as
> possible. I understand.
WTF is that? I know lots of guitarists that record with their
drummers. And I know lots of bassists who can't keep time, but think
they can because thir instrument is the "Backbone" of their music.
Whatever.
> Case in point: Tori Amos. I've seen her several times and own plenty
> of bootlegs, and with the exception of songs like "Cornflake Girl" and
> "God" during which she PLAYED ALONG WITH A SEQUENCER, she interprets
Tori's music doesn't require the strict rhythmic timing that a band
like Dream Theater or Fates Warning does. and FYI, clicks have been
around for longer than most of us have.
But I do agree that there are cases where it's not necessary to use a
click. I have never used one live, and only once have wished I had
one while in a live situation. I think the more musicians you have,
the more important a click becomes. It's very much like a conductor
of an orchestra. Tori plays by herself. She doesn't have anyone the
sync up to. A 5 or 6 piece band has more difficulty playing together
than a solo act.
Chris Ptacek
EnterAct, L.L.C.
someone@enteract.com
K Elf Amon@Aol.Com (Emergency Use Only)
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"True Syncophants know how to spell 'syncophancy'...
otherwise they can't get into the meetings."
-Mike Keneally
~Buy Perspectives, by Jason Becker. Support ALS~
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