YTSEJAM Digest 1717
Today's Topics:
1) UGH!
by skooc@ix.netcom.com (Scott Cook)
2) Great music that I recently found
by elliott@fxn.com (Elliott Kim)
3) BOOT:Uncoverd Show
by Kuniyuki Ogushi <m7095008@ipc.akita-u.ac.jp>
4)
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5) New MAGNA CARTA band 'Lemur Voice' (formerly Aura)
by nathan@wfw.wtb.tue.nl
6) this damn click-thread
by akyuz@ltp.dmx.epfl.ch
7) James LaCheese
by akyuz@ltp.dmx.epfl.ch
8) DTribute
by akyuz@ltp.dmx.epfl.ch
9) DT-tribute
by Rajkai Piter <intcred@.ibm.net>
10) breaking the law......
by Partha Mukhopadhyay <ahtrap@umich.edu>
11) Enough with VH
by Ryan_Rafaloff@tanagraphics.com (Ryan Rafaloff)
12) DT's weapons, Wah, AD on tribute, VH hhhhits/Eddie's sound
by rterry@inforamp.net (Rick Terry)
13) Just...stuff :)
by "Paul W. Cashman" <vanyel@crl.com>
14) RE: YTSEJAM digest 1715
by Jacques Ferland <sebsammy@generation.net>
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Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 00:13:52 -0700
From: skooc@ix.netcom.com (Scott Cook)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: UGH!
Message-ID: <199607250713.AAA11739@dfw-ix9.ix.netcom.com>
Some excerpts of Dusty's post and my replies:
>I've said it before, Sammy is better in concert than Dave, which is
>something Dave would have to work on, but Dave's voice is much more
>powerful in the studio.
With the right producer, *I* can have a more powerful voice than LaBrie
IN THE STUDIO.
>Come on, Dave's got that classic scream that cannot be duplicated.
Not anymore. He did back in the old days, but not anymore. I have an
audio tape to prove it. If you ever make it out by San Francisco, let
me know and I'll play it for you.
>And that's B.S. as far as Van Halen always being pop. Listen to VH1
>and then listen to one of the albums Sammy is on and tell me which
>one sounds more poppier...
Well, from my ears' point of view, F.U.C.K is a pretty fuckin' heavy
record! VH kicks major ass too, but FUCK ain't no slouch.
>I just wish Eddie would get a little bit more original.
>His imagination is really suffering when it comes
>to creativity with the new stuff......
I'm guessing you haven't heard DLR's last album (Your Filthy Little
Mouth) if you think Eddie is lacking creativity. I mean, a duet with
Travis Tritt? A hip hop song? Yeah, VH would make a great Hip Hop band!
Even Eddie says he's doing the same stuff he did in 1978. I would like
to see them rock harder than they did on Balance, but DLR is going to
turn them
>The bottom line is, if Dave would practice doing alot better live
>and would leave the drinking until after the shows and if they
>would regain their hard edge they used to have, I would say, bring
>Dave back and maybe the cradle will rock once again....DUSTY
Yeah, and if David didn't have a Penis he would be Dana Lee Roth. :)
Hey, I love the first four VH lp's (especially Fair Warning), but Roth
was in Van Halen, he's part of their past. Sammy Hagar IS the singer
today (well, was until last month). I just think the past should stay
there. Be proud of what you did, but move on.
BTW- VH is actively looking for a new singer. I don't have the address,
but they are accepting audition tapes.
Scott Cook
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"I FORGOT THE FUCKIN' WORDS!"
David Lee Roth US '83 Festival
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Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 03:41:57 +0100
From: elliott@fxn.com (Elliott Kim)
To: The Ytsejam <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Great music that I recently found
Message-ID: <19960725024155892.AAA45@ras6.fxn.com>
One day, I decided to cruise over to Andy Miller's homepage (no, not THAT
one, the other one!) and check out some of the .wav files he had up there of
his solo project - INTERUM. I really liked what I heard, so I sent him some
money. I got the tape a couple days ago and I've been listening to it a lot.
I doubt any written description would suffice (but I'll try anyway), and
since his web page is up, and the samples are available to download, get to
it!
http://members.gnn.com/subtlerage/ I/don't/remember/the/exact/URL/of/the/
page/that/the/samples/are/on/but/cruise/his/links/and/stuff/anyways/
But for the web-impaired, there's the all-too-brief description in Andy's
.signature file "Interum (new-age/prog instrumental)" I suppose most
you've seen the signature file, and thought to maybe check it out one day,
but I'm arrogant enough to assume that by me saying something, you will get
off your butts and actually go check out the web page, or if you're webless,
e-mail him and ask him questions and stuff. ;)
IMHO, the music kicks some serious ass! It's new-agey sounding with a
strong progressive influence - if it weren't lacking crunchy guitars, it
would be in the vein of the prog-rock/metal that we all know and love here
on Ytsejam. Andy's got solid chops and a good sense of melody; the dude
*can* play. These are some very mature-sounding instrumental compositions.
While it's not exactly a professional package, it is an excellent quality
cassette recording. The tapes are first generation from DAT master, and it
sounds really good in the car. :) I'm in no way affiliated with Andy
Miller, but I do see him on #ytsejam IRC from time to time, so I'm not
getting a kick-back, a free tape or much of anything really in return for
this, except maybe a "thanks for posting that, seeya on IRC sometime.
-Andrew Miller" :)
-- Elliott Kim --------------------------------------------------------
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Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 18:09:55 +0900
From: Kuniyuki Ogushi <m7095008@ipc.akita-u.ac.jp>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: BOOT:Uncoverd Show
Message-ID: <31F739E3.5B6@ipc.akita-u.ac.jp>
Hello, All Jammers!
Here in Jpan, Now selling "Uncovered Show"BOOTLEG.
Cover Jacket is very COOOL!!!
To look details:
You must jump to
<http://www.bekkoame.or.jp/~not/yes/boots/0096.html>
This is written:
Live at "Ronnie Scott's", London. 1995.1.31.
(1) Medley: a) Funeral for a friend - b) Love lied bleeding.
(2) Perfect Strangers.
(3) Red Hill Mining Town.
(4) Medley: a) The Rover - b) Achilles' last stand - c) The song
remains the same.
(5) Tears.
(6) Damage Inc. (w.Barney Greenway on vocals)
(7) Happiness Is A Warm Gun. (w.S.Hogarth on vocals)
(8) Easter. (w.S.Hogarth on vocals & S.Rothery on guitar)
(9) Winter.
(10) In The Dead Of Night.
(11) Medley: (w.S.Howe on guitar) a) Machine Messiah - b) Heart of the
sunrise - c)
Close to the edge - d) Siberian Khatru - e) Starship Trooper.
(12) Medley: a) In the flesh - b) Carry on wayward - c) Bohemian
rhapsody - d) Lovein'
touchin' squeezin' - e) Cruise control - f) Turn it on again.
Kevin Moore Solo - Demo 1995 (Kevin: lead vocals & piano)
(13) Space-dye Vest.
1st MAJESTY Demo 1987 with Chris Collins on lead vocals.
(14) Carry That Weight.
(15) The Night.
(16) Past (into the sun)
John Petrucci - Demo 1994
(17) Mission Impossible.
Unreleased song - Acoustic version (Demo 1993)
(18) To Live Forever.
John Petrucci - Flexi Disc for the "Guitar Player" magazine.
(19) Indulge In Reverie.
(20) A Late Summer's Rain / Schizophrenia.
Comment:
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Thanks!!!
Kuniyuki Ogushi
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Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 09:36:13 +0000 (MDT)
From: nathan@wfw.wtb.tue.nl
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: New MAGNA CARTA band 'Lemur Voice' (formerly Aura)
Message-ID: <199607250936.LAA05502@sg19.wfw.wtb.tue.nl>
Hi everybody,
Some while ago I read on this list that someone had an advance tape
of a new Magna Carta band 'Aura' (the only European (Dutch) one!!!).
This band has changed its name to 'Lemur Voice'
As you probably know 'Aura' already exists.
Their first CD will be released September 3 (in Europe) September 10 (in USA)
through Magna Carta. The title of the CD is 'Insights'.
This band is heavier and more progressive than the other magna carta bands.
Check it out!!!
The guitarist (Marcel Coenen) and the singer (Gregoor van der Loo)
have contributed to the RUSH-tribute CD on the track 'Freewill'
Bye
Nathan
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Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 11:46:20 +0200
From: akyuz@ltp.dmx.epfl.ch
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: this damn click-thread
Message-ID: <v02130500ae1cef8a16e1@[128.178.99.94]>
>Hear, hear!
No. Hark! hark! :-))
Sorry. I'm English.
>> on some songs. Watch the video from Grace Under Pressure, and you'll see
>> Neil playing to a click on The Weapon, and Red sector A. Mark Zonder used it
>> extensivly when I saw FW. Oh yeah, I would not say that "three chord rock is
>> what made me the musician I am now" too loudly.
I guess Zonder was clicking at the beginning of "11th Hour". IMO that
killed the whole feeling of the song. Sort of "my big Charly in your face".
Didn't like it.
BTW, can you click if asked to, if you don't have any training?
>Seems Mojoman, D-Man and his pals are going on about their stupid little
>click tracks and their recordings.
>
>May i ask: _WHY_ isn't this in private e-mail? Didn't Skadz go on a
>goddamn rampage about it a month ago? Jesus, guys. Take a fuckin' chill
Go fig.
>But isn't part of the whole journey of musicianship getting past NOT having a
>click in your head? Shouldn't part of the goal (especially for those of us
>who are or will go to Berklee or MI or the like) be to CREATE a click in your
>head through TONS of practice?
Hey, this reminds me of the natural-born-rythymers thread few months ago.
> I'm sorry I spewed the last post into a pubic forum.....that was
>wrong of me....
^^^^^^^^^^^
M O J O G O E S P U B I C !!!
Finally, while we're at this neck-deep, could anyone recommend a
programmable clicker with ability to program tempo-changes? I know regular
drum-machines cannot.
Later,
........................................................................
D A V E K I N G
vox & bass MT-20
"holding on is easier than letting go" (fw)
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Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 11:55:58 +0200
From: akyuz@ltp.dmx.epfl.ch
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: James LaCheese
Message-ID: <v02130500ae1cd927d43e@[128.178.99.94]>
>On to the DTC:
>Sorry if this is an FAQ, but...exactly how does Kevin James pronounce
>*LaBrie*? Is it LaBr-eye, as i've been pronouncing it, La-Bree, La-Bray, or
Since Brie is the name of a French cheese type, it should be pronounced the
same way: Bree (serious).
>LatM: Sorry, I just love this cd sooo much. Is it just me, or does every
I love especially Another Hand and Bombay. Pity they didn't include
Metropolis on LiT. Did they do a major fuck-up that prevented this?
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D A V E K I N G
vox & bass MT-20
"holding on is easier than letting go" (fw)
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Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 12:11:12 +0200
From: akyuz@ltp.dmx.epfl.ch
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: DTribute
Message-ID: <v02130501ae1cf5c38d40@[128.178.99.94]>
>I just think you're excusing alot of interesting and talented people from
>participating because of this desire to hear DT's songs done 100%. If i want
>to hear this, i'll listen to DT fer chrissakes. Anyway, just wanted to get
>that off my chest; i hope the project does get off the ground and all goes
>well.
Don't get me wrong, now. I thought I made myself clear enough. This is the
only way to avoid it taking three years to get done.
Now to Rick:
> This is true. However, from personal experience in the studio,
>I can tell you that there will some rehearsal that is unavoidable.
>This will be primarily for reasons of sound setup (proper micing of
>amps, drums etc.).
I don't call this rehearsal, anyway.
> I feel that we would be better off to use a click track and
>record on a track by track basis. I know how some of us feel about
>that approach, but it's the only way it can be done without having a
>ton of people there simultaneously.
..and save time and money.
> I really doubt that any of us are capable of covering this
>stuff perfectly. I'm not being a pessimist here, just a realist. Using
Most probably, the playlist will turn up to be made up of the simplest
songs (yes, there are simple DT songs!!)
> If anyone has any tab or sheet music for any of the proposed
>tracks, we should make it accessible to people who are interested in
>the project ASAP.
WEB PAGES! WEB PAGES!
>here. If memory serves me correctly, there is some bass tab available.
Yes, but they didn't include anything I couldn't have figured out in half
an hour. I think for this tab business, we'll need support from DT
themselves.
> I may be able to access this equipment and donate it to the
>project. I'll get back to you all on that.
That, as well as getting amps, fx and stuff, shouldn't be a problem at all.
You can even hire.
> Kudos to Dave for getting serious discussion of this started.
>I can work around whatever is most flexible for most of you, since I
>am no longer studying and most of you still are.
>
> Stay focused and let's do this thing!!
Thanks for keeping this up, Rick. I'm full-time working plus rehearsing
three times a week so I appreciate any help whatsoever.
> La-Bree. Just like the cheese. :)
Damn. You got there before me! :-)
........................................................................
D A V E K I N G
vox & bass MT-20
"holding on is easier than letting go" (fw)
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Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 12:17:55 +0200
From: Rajkai Piter <intcred@.ibm.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: DT-tribute
Message-ID: <31F749D3.3D18@.ibm.net>
Dave King, (and others who care):
I play the keyboards in a DT cover band (I mean we play mainly DT songs, but others
too, eg. Vai, VH, Malmsteen, etc.) Our name is "Five Seasons" (the band has 5 members).
Well, we play:
Pull Me Under
Wait For Sleep
Caught In A Web
Erotomania
Scared
Change Of Seasons
In this Monday we recorded most of our songs (from DT only 3 songs :( cuz we didn't
have enough money for the studio) and tomorrow we will master it.
I also play in another band (with no name yet) which plays from DT:
PMU, Under A Glass Moon, Wait For Sleep, Learning To Live (in these days
we learn it) and Erotomania. Probably we will cover Ytse Jam and Metropolis.
Other subject. Have you heard about Symphony X? Any comment?
Peter from Hungary
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Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 08:43:23 -0400 (EDT)
From: Partha Mukhopadhyay <ahtrap@umich.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: breaking the law......
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.960725083927.13107B-100000@breakout.rs.itd.umich.edu>
This post has no meaning to me, I just felt like inserting an odd bit of
idiotic commentary into an alrady sorta ridiculousy thread :)
hey (whoever posted this)
> Van Halen never had a hit record until sammy joined the band...never had as
> many #1 singles as they have since sammy joined the band....
Ummm, metallica didn't do much until jason Newstead came abord, what's
your point?
and what's my point, anyway? probably something about sellouts, but
really that was just some odd thought that popped into my head...indulge
me :)
partha
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Date: Thu, 25 Jul 96 09:25:53 -0500
From: Ryan_Rafaloff@tanagraphics.com (Ryan Rafaloff)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Enough with VH
Message-ID: <146813.ensmtp@tanagraphics.com>
Alright already,
I mentioned one bad thing about VH and everyone went nuts!!!
And BTW, FUCK Beavis and Buthead who are the ultimate example of musical
ignorance and MTV.....DT's music is way to far advanced for that. Don't we
all worship Dream Theater for there immense tallent? And wouldn't Petrucci
give Eddie Van Halen a good run for his money? I think so.
The general concensus on the new album, is that there will be a darker message
being expressed (through the song titles).....perhaps JP wishes to "show and
not tell" other guitarists where it's at...... I think it's great
A majority of the people who listen to Alternacrap (who have heard DT's I&W,
and even Awake) said they are lame.....Reality Check!!!
Obviously, some people simply can't understand DT's music because they can't
understand music theory. And I haven't seen any mainstream band express
their depthful knowledge of music theory, through their performance.
So screw Beavis and Buthead, screw MTV, and lets get off the VH subject It's
a bit too touchy. :-}
Rock On,
-Raf || ||| || ||| || |||
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Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 13:27:32 GMT From: rterry@inforamp.net (Rick Terry) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: DT's weapons, Wah, AD on tribute, VH hhhhits/Eddie's sound Message-ID: <31f76eb2.515031@mail.inforamp.net>
"And the meek shall inherit dog poo" - Neil Peart - 2112 The Blasphemous Sessions
>Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 22:41:52 +0000 >From: Jon Parmet <jonp@mailstorm.dot.gov>
>If LaBrie hocked up too many flem globberz at a concert, those in the >first few rows might be in danger of getting hit by an YtseClam. <duck>
What sound is heard coming from a DT firearm?
YtseBLAM!! :)
>Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 20:02:16 -0400 >From: WildKoba@aol.com
>b) wah- i thought the wah craze went down, but i was quite wrong.
You know, I can't stand this effect anymore. I really think that players like Kirk Hammet, who can't play to save their souls, become infatuated with wahs to cover up their boring solos. There are a few people who can use it properly (JP, Alex Lifeson, Frank Marino, Steve Vai), as a sweeping filter, but most people just honk on the damn thing like it was a gas pedal on a Ferrari. That drives me CrAZy!!
>Date: Thu, 25 Jul 96 00:56:05 UT >From: "call me Joey The Axe Man" <IBANEZ_MAN@msn.com> >To: ytsejam@ax.com >Subject: RE: YTSEJAM digest 1715 >Message-ID: <UPMAIL04.199607250055350937@msn.com> > >about dream theater songs for a tribute....I can play another day note for >note and you might wonder if it is John or not....I play to the song >constantly!
Great! That's one of the less challenging songs and we can probably pull it off without difficulty. Something tells me I'd better start practicing my high A's! :)
>Van Halen never had a hit record until sammy joined the band...never had as >many #1 singles as they have since sammy joined the band....
Actually, that's not quite true. Dance the Night Away from VH today was a huge single up here. When it came out, you couldn't go anywhere without hearing it. My personal favorite from that album was their cover of Joni Mitchell's You're No Good. THe solo in that song is very simple but is among the best leads he's ever played. The one thing that really annoys me about Eddie now, is his excessive use of digital delay as a chorus/doubler. It seems to be on every song! I know that effects are fun, but if you can't get a good tone without them, it's time to get some new gear. Now, I'm sure that he CAN, But I'd like to hear it occasionally.
Take care!
Cheers,
Rick Toronto
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Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 06:35:01 -0700 (PDT) From: "Paul W. Cashman" <vanyel@crl.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Just...stuff :) Message-ID: <199607251335.AA16052@crl9.crl.com>
Just wanted to say.... Mike Bahr, you RULE. (And he knows why. :))
Also, Bernd Basmer, please email me immediately about that Metallica connection (discussed on #ytsejam). I need some contact info from you that presumably is newer than the CD. :) (I'll email if I remember before crashing this morning. Note the time of the post, folks. :))
-- Paul W. Cashman, vanyel@crl.com Rush Dream Theater Korn Bonedance --- www.crl.com/~vanyel ------ Metallica Hawkwind Enya Superior Mutha's Day Out Sisters of Mercy Dead Can Dance Blue Oyster Cult "You can find all you need in your mind / If you take the time.." -DT
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Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 09:03:25 -0400 From: Jacques Ferland <sebsammy@generation.net> To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Cc: "'Sebastien Ferland'" <sebsammy@generation.net> Subject: RE: YTSEJAM digest 1715 Message-ID: <01BB7A0E.FFE8D380@portA52.Generation.NET>
>Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 13:20:29 +0200 >From: akyuz@ltp.dmx.epfl.ch
>We have to focalize and not disperse. This should be a strictly DT-tribute. >I don't go with the idea of recording on someone else's material nor >"giving" DT a song. They're capable of doing that themselves, and 10 times >better.
Point taken, although I still think it might be nice for us to give them something as a token of appreciation. Besides, you have no idea how good a writer I am! :)
Bud, if you were THAT good, I would be out there buying your cd right now. So don't get a big head with this.
>I don't either go with the idea of "reworking" the material. The songs >should be as faithful as possible to the originals. One simple reason for >this: it will be nearly impossible to spare rehearsal time.
This is true. However, from personal experience in the studio, I can tell you that there will some rehearsal that is unavoidable. This will be primarily for reasons of sound setup (proper micing of amps, drums etc.).
Right on, bro. I agree, except that it won't be for sound setup and other studio thingys, but more for getting a vibe going before we can even lay down a scratch track for any of the songs we might do. Don't forget, NOBODY on this mailing list (that I know of) has ever played together, so yeah, I think we'll need a little rehearsal.
>So I suggest that each musician on this jam who's interested in making this >recording gives a list of TEN DT songs he KNOWS he can do 100%, along with
Are you serious??? TEN songs??? I don't think I can cover four, and I'm talkin'bout the easy ones (To live forever, Another day,etc.).In fact, I don't think anyone can cover ten songs from DT except DT themselves. I think that's what they had in mind when they wrote the stuff down. Remember, this is progressive music, so it's normal that you have to practice your ass off to pull off just one of the parts. That's the whole point of the music. And please, nobody sends me email telling me I just think they're showing off, cause I don't. I'll be the first one to tell you that I think they don't care about looks, just about how it sounds. So please, don't blast me.
I think the only way we'll be able to pull this off is if we send suggestions of locations to the jam. I know that a lot of people want to play on this *tribute*, me first. But reality is we all live in different parts of the world. I'm in Montreal, so I could probably get to Toronto or New York, at most. Not everybody is free at the same time, too. So in order to do this we need to be very thorough and detailed about where and when, cause I don't wanna drive down to NYC for nothing. I suggest this: anyone who has a personal studio would be the best, but whoever can get a deal on studio time, send the facts in to the jam, and everyone will be able to criticize and choose. I submit that this is the only way this will work, cause you can forget about a panel of judges. Who is gonna choose them? We'd need judges to choose judges, so this is pointless. Might as well let the people decide, and whoever is bold enough to go ahead and book the studio time in their hometown, just send it in and whoever's close and free will go. Mike bahr can produce, Duane baron can produce, I don't even care if Alanis Morrissette produces. If your mother wants to produce this DT tribute, please submit her name to the jam. HOWEVER, whoever wants to produce this thing has to show his/her credentials. As long as we get it on tape (or ADAT, whatever), I'll be happy. This could be a beautiful project, and we could probably do it again once in a while.
I really wanna be a part of this, so let's try and make this work, OK?
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