YTSEJAM Digest 1715
Today's Topics:
1) YtseCon III
by Jeff Chew <jc309@columbia.edu>
2) YtseCon III
by Jeff Chew <jc309@columbia.edu>
3) RE: YTSEJAM digest 1712
by "Susan " <spatz13@msn.com>
4) Ship Arriving Too Late To Save A Drowning Witch
by Adam Barnhart <adamb@cfmc.com>
5) Van Halen again :(
by Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
6) Re: Schenker/UFO
by Dave Fernquist <103362.445@CompuServe.COM>
7) Re: VH + DLR = SHIT!
by skooc@ix.netcom.com (Scott Cook)
8) Oddznendz...
by Imxtnit@aol.com
9)
by
10) Fan Network
by Josh Sager <jsager@cygnus.rsabbs.com>
11) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1704
by JamesArin@aol.com
12) Tribute approach
by rterry@inforamp.net (Rick Terry)
13) YtsePool, James and cheese
by rterry@inforamp.net (Rick Terry)
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Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 14:26:13 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jeff Chew <jc309@columbia.edu>
To: The BafuJam <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: YtseCon III
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.95L.960724140800.8241A-100000@labdien.cc.columbia.edu>
Dear jammers,
Hey there! Here's an update for the YtseCon III! First of all, it will
take place at the La Guardia Marriot (Queens, NY), on Saturday, October
12th from 1pm to 5pm. We have spoken to Dream Theater and management, and
they say that they should be there.
The cost for pre-paid tickets is $20 per person. The cost at the door
will be $25 per person. This will cover the cost of the conference room
and other miscellaneous stuff (name tags, programs, etc.). If you would
like to pay in advance, please send a check to:
YtseCon III
c/o Jeff Chew
350 Broadway, Suite 703
New York, NY 10013
If you are in need of a hotel room, we have reserved a block of rooms at
the Marriot, which will cost $100 per room per night. Of course, you can
split the cost with other jammers. If you need jammers to split a room
with, but you don't know anyone who also needs a room, you can e-mail
me at jc309@columbia.edu or call me at (516) 674-4828 and I will set you
up with someone (no, not that way).
We have set a date for reserving rooms by August 2nd. This doesn't mean
that you cannot reserve a room afterwards, it's just a way for us to find
out how many rooms we will be needing, in case we need to return rooms to
the hotel. However, if you register by the 2nd, you are guarenteed a room
at the MArriot. Also, if you reserve a room by the second, you will
receive a free YtseCon III t-shirt! After the second, we will be
reserving rooms on an as-need basis.
If you plan on flying to the YtseCon III, we have arranged something with
Rich Worldwide Travel so you can reserve airline tickets through them by
calling their 800 number. Please call 1-800-431-1130, and tell them that
you are going to the 'Dream Theater Convention'.
If you can provide a ride to the YtseCon III, or if you are in need of a
ride, please contact me by either e-mailing me or calling me and I will
see what I can do.
Well, that is all there is for now! I hope to see you at the YtseCon III!
Yours,
Jeff Chew =)
<*> Jeff Chew <*> http://www.columbia.edu/~jc309/ <*>
<*> jc309@columbia.edu <*> jeffc@dreamt.org <*> jchew@rsabbs.com <*>
<*> (516) 674-4828 <*> Work (212) 442-0041 <*> Beeper (917) 712-4828 <*>
"*PUNCH* Welcome to Earth!" --- Wil Smith, Independance Day
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Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 14:28:33 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jeff Chew <jc309@columbia.edu>
To: The BafuJam <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: YtseCon III
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.95L.960724142650.8241B-100000@labdien.cc.columbia.edu>
Dear jammers,
I almost forgot! When you send me your checks, please something in there
that says your name, address, e-mail address, and phone number. That way,
I can contact you once the check gets in my hands. That's all, TTYL!
Yours,
Jeff Chew =)
<*> Jeff Chew <*> http://www.columbia.edu/~jc309/ <*>
<*> jc309@columbia.edu <*> jeffc@dreamt.org <*> jchew@rsabbs.com <*>
<*> (516) 674-4828 <*> Work (212) 442-0041 <*> Beeper (917) 712-4828 <*>
"*PUNCH* Welcome to Earth!" --- Wil Smith, Independance Day
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Date: Wed, 24 Jul 96 16:19:02 UT
From: "Susan " <spatz13@msn.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: RE: YTSEJAM digest 1712
Message-ID: <UPMAIL08.199607241827230264@msn.com>
>hey anyone hear what happened to John Petrucci??? (just kidding)
NOT funny!
Suz
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Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 12:43:45 -0700
From: Adam Barnhart <adamb@cfmc.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Ship Arriving Too Late To Save A Drowning Witch
Message-ID: <199607241943.MAA14661@main.cfmc.com>
>From: Dave Hatlee <buster@ee.net>
>
>2. DTC - As all jammers know, Rush has had an influence on DT, and I too am
> a Rush fan. Well, I've been wanting to mention this for a while:
> List to "The Camera Eye" off of MOVING PICTURES, and tell me if you
> feel there are any similarities or common themes between that and
> "Metropolis". Naturally Camera Eye is not heavy like DT, but it's
> about the city and it's emotions, and it goes through several timing and
> melody changes like Metropolis. They both inspire me!
Yeah, there's certainly a similarity there, but I don't know that I'd say
that "The Camera Eye" isn't heavy. Maybe not super-heavy, but fairly heavy.
Somewhere between "Stick It Out" and "Show Don't Tell."
>From: hawkeye7@ix.netcom.com (Larry Odneal)
>
>Adam B. quoted me, only to disagree:
>
>>>I bought I&W first, too, and I disagree 100%. Awake is the best
>>>album of all time. No qualifiers, it's a fact.
>
>>Can't say I agree....that "Awake" is a better record ain't anything
>>vaguely resembling a "fact," and I'd have to say that "Images and
>>Words" is, by far, the best album in the Dream Theater catalog.
>
>Sorry I forgot the smiley, dude. Of course it's not a "fact" - just a
>very strongly held opinion. Actually BOTH albums are incredible - I
>prefer Awake by a slim margin.
>
>If you prefer I&W, that's your opinion. And you know what they say
>about opinions . . .
>
>"Opinions are like assholes - everybody's got one, but YOURS STINKS!"
>
>The smiley is implied.
I guess, more than anything, I was adamantly disagreeing with your assertion
that "Awake" was easily the strongest DT album. Or what SEEMED like your
assertion, anyhow. "Awake" is a good one...a REAL good one. But I like
"Images and Words" better. "Learning To Live," "Metropolis," and all.
As far as this click argument goes, I'm not so sure I'm on either side. My
band recorded and played live without a click and got by just fine. Working
with a metronome or a drum machine isn't a bad idea....gives you a sense of
what the time is. But I don't think playing without one is "sloppy" any
more than playing with one is "soulless." Rush does both and kicks rump
around in either case.
Adam D. Barnhart
adamb@cfmc.com
ydnt85a@prodigy.com
Five Gratituitous CD's:
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1. Die Meistersinger: Wagner (Leipzig)
2. Howlin' At The Moon: The Lost Souls
3. B-Sides Themselves: Marillion
4. Sixteen Stone: Bush
5. Nobody Told Me: Shankar
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Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 15:55:07 -0400 (EDT)
From: Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
To: Dream Theater Mailing List <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Van Halen again :(
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.960724154512.3239A-100000@bdmserver>
Ryan wrote:
>I would have to think the opposite......Since DLR left, every other song
>that VH wrote was about LOVE. I need not name them all.
>Don't get me wrong, Love is a beautiful thing, and 5150 and OU812 are
>favorites of mine w/Sammy. However, with so many LOVE oriented songs, it
>starts to make them look like to much of a pop group...that would appeal
>more to women and my parents.
Hello?
There were a ton of poppy/love/non rocker songs when DLR was in the band.
Examples:
Aint Talking Bout Love
feel your love tonight
ice cream man
jamie's crying
beautiful girls
dance the night away
outta love again
women in love
you're no good
dancing in the street
happy trails
oh, pretty woman
where have all the good times gone
hot for teacher
I'll wait
take your whiskey home
those are just a few of the poppy/love/non rocker songs Van Halen did
with DLR.
They improved with Sammy...
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| Pat Daugherty pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com |
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| "Every breath leaves me one less to my last" --Dream Theater |
| "That is not an option, Mr. Mulder" --X-Files |
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|The Baltimore Orioles-The team to beat in 1996!!!!!!! | Go DC United! |
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Date: 24 Jul 96 16:09:44 EDT
From: Dave Fernquist <103362.445@CompuServe.COM>
To: "INTERNET:ytsejam@ax.com" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Schenker/UFO
Message-ID: <960724200943_103362.445_JHL92-3@CompuServe.COM>
Keji wrote:
> I've heard new song from Michael Schenker. It's an instrumental song
>dedicated to his daughter, titled 'Essence'. I like this.
>He rocks! He's been out of rock scene. His previous material UFO's "Walk
>On Water" was very averaged album. Very forgetable album,don't you think
>that,too? But his new band (of course MSG) featuring members of ex-Great
>King Rat (vox), ex-Yngwie (bass,drums) will be nice.
> MSG "Written In The Sand" will be out 1996-08-28 from Master Volume
>Project (Zero Corp.).
Thanks for the info Keji. I'm a huge Schenker fan. I have to disagree with you
on UFO's last disk, Walk On Water; I think it's their best studio effort next to
Obsession. I don't know if you caught the tour last summer, but the band was
definitely on (Andy Parker didn't tour with them though). They played the
entire Strangers in The Night set (minus I'm A Loser), two songs from Walk On
Water, and one pre-Schenker cover tune (C'mon Everybody). I caught three Los
Angeles area shows before Schenker left the band (again).
If you can find Michael's solo acoustic CD (Thank You), by all means pick it up
(in the U.S. it is available only through the UFO Fan Club in Scottsdale,
Arizona).
The latest word on UFO that I heard was that Pete Way and Phil Mogg met with
members of Dio's band (Tracy G and Vinny Appice?) and that discussions went
well; could be interesting.
If any Jammers are interested in checking out UFO, I highly recommend their live
CD, Strangers in The Night. There is some awesome guitar playing on this disk;
Michael was in top form.
Hasta.
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Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 13:45:25 -0700
From: skooc@ix.netcom.com (Scott Cook)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: VH + DLR = SHIT!
Message-ID: <199607242045.NAA26876@dfw-ix1.ix.netcom.com>
>>Subject: DLR + VH = Balls
In 1981 thiis was accurate; in 1996, this is poppycock!
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From: Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
>I think Van Halen has matured greatly since DLR left. Letting Sammy
>Hagar go is a huge mistake. Bringing DLR back is an even bigger
>mistake.
EXACTLY! When Dave was in the band, most of the songs were about sex.
That's fine with me (I love sex as much as anyone else), but there are
other things. Sammy joined the band and actually brought maturity to
the band.
I saw VH 3 times in the DLR days (78,79,81) and ALL those times Dave
should've used 'clicks' because he couldn't keep up with the band to
save his life. With Sammy, there was a lot more professionalism to the
band.
>>I would have to think the opposite......Since DLR left, every other
>>song that VH wrote was about LOVE.
OH NO! LOVE SONGS! How disgusting. No songs with "Reach Down between my
legs, ease the seat back" Gee, Sammy could never write anything with
that kind of emotion. Dave much have done some real soul searching to
come up with that one. Or, how about "Might as well Jump! Go ahead
DAve, you have my blessing! :)
>Don't get me wrong, Love is a beautiful thing, and 5150 and OU812 are
>favorites of mine w/Sammy. However, with so many LOVE oriented songs,
>it starts to make them look like to much of a pop group...that would
>appeal more to women and my parents.
VH has been a pop band since the beginning, just with a herder edge.
Listen to Dance the Night Away and Jump and Little Guitars and Women in
Love and Dancin' in The Streets and Pretty Woman and.... well, you get
my point.
>>Even Beavis and Buthead (who I watched in college), freaked when
>>"Can't Stop Lovin' You" came on the TV...
Once again I go on a rant and towards the end I see the problem. We're
dealing with a person who bases their musical choices on Beavis and
Butt-head. Do you have any idea what B & B would do to a DT video? I
can hear the screams now from Beavis.
>Mike Portnoy even said it himself, "...balls and chunk is where it's
>at!" So maybe DLR will bring some balls back to the band.
You can't bring something you don't have in the first place. :)
Scott Cook
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"The Hard Rock Hotel has a Van Halen Poker chip, but it'll only get you
to the Men's Room." David Lee Roth - The Tonight Show 11/95.
"I FORGOT THE FUCKING WORDS!"
David Lee Roth - US '83 Festival during "The Full Bug"
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Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 16:56:56 -0400
From: Imxtnit@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Oddznendz...
Message-ID: <960724165654_369363529@emout10.mail.aol.com>
Dudez,
> On an unrelated note, does anyone else think that, on the LatM
> version of a Fortune In Lies, James sings the following line,
> "I can remember when, in the unity of our fried egg sessions"
Rick, you're LIT! LOL
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Bored, were ya, Rick? 5 for 6...gotta be one of the best batting averages
since IBMMAIL :-)
DT(Tribute)C:
After hearing all this talk about the DT tribute, i think it would be a great
idea, and i wish i could be a part of it. Odds are that i couldn't get away
to wherever this is being held. But even if i could, i think at this time
i'd be intimidated into not participating due to all the talk of being able
to do the songs "100%". I mean, i play guitar, but i'm no JP. And i can
sing, but not as well as JL.
I just think you're excusing alot of interesting and talented people from
participating because of this desire to hear DT's songs done 100%. If i want
to hear this, i'll listen to DT fer chrissakes. Anyway, just wanted to get
that off my chest; i hope the project does get off the ground and all goes
well.
Hey all, Anthony Sciamanna's band Clockwork has a great demo tape called
*Weaving Webs of Time* that can be obtained by e-mailing Anthony at
FMTG05A@prodigy.com
Later,
Tim
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/ "I am the way, I am the light, I am the \
/ dark inside the night. I hear your hopes, I \
\ feel your dreams, and in the dark I hear /
\ your screams." -- Savatage, "Believe" /
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| IMXTNIT@AOL.COM |
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Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 15:58:19 -0400 (EDT)
From: Josh Sager <jsager@cygnus.rsabbs.com>
To: ytsejam <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Fan Network
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.91.960724154511.1975A-100000-100000-100000@cygnus.rsabbs.com>
We just changed the Fan Network (http://www.rsabbs.com/dt/) to make it a
bit easier for people to figure out where the heck they live :) I hope
this correction make it more navigable.
*****************************************************************************
Josh Sager Red Sector A, Inc. http://www.rsabbs.com
Creative Director 8001 B Lincoln Drive West (609) 988-8587 voice
jsager@rsabbs.com Marlton, NJ 08053 (609) 983-9197 fax
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Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 18:13:08 -0400
From: JamesArin@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1704
Message-ID: <960724181308_244889975@emout08.mail.aol.com>
In a message dated 96-07-22 00:44:24 EDT, you write:
<< Hello fellow jammers,
I perchased a Dt pass from James Colberg, who's address I got from
this list I believe. Did anyone out there order something from him? I
haven't gotten it, and He's cash the check, so I'm trying to figure out
whether I will get the merchandise at all...hope someone can help.
thanks,
Maria >>
Hello All,
I sent Maria her package today. I e-mailed her to let her know it was
on the way. I had problems with my computer and couldn't get to the ordering
info or e-mail. She did try to get an e-mail to me twice before she posted
here but I couldn't read them. Again, I want to say sorry it took so long
Maria. :^(
Thanks,
Jim
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Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 22:31:21 GMT
From: rterry@inforamp.net (Rick Terry)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Tribute approach
Message-ID: <31f69662.23233@mail.inforamp.net>
Hi kids,
>Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 13:20:29 +0200
>From: akyuz@ltp.dmx.epfl.ch
>We have to focalize and not disperse. This should be a strictly DT-tribute.
>I don't go with the idea of recording on someone else's material nor
>"giving" DT a song. They're capable of doing that themselves, and 10 times
>better.
Point taken, although I still think it might be nice for us to
give them something as a token of appreciation. Besides, you have no
idea how good a writer I am! :)
>I don't either go with the idea of "reworking" the material. The songs
>should be as faithful as possible to the originals. One simple reason for
>this: it will be nearly impossible to spare rehearsal time.
This is true. However, from personal experience in the studio,
I can tell you that there will some rehearsal that is unavoidable.
This will be primarily for reasons of sound setup (proper micing of
amps, drums etc.).
This raises another interesting question.
Are we planning on doing this the old fashioned way where
tracks are laid down individually or are we looking at a live, in the
studio, approach. The former is more precise and is better in
situations where rehearsal time is limited. However, it can be more
expensive as it requires the engineer to present for a longer time
period.
The live approach will generate a better vibe, but will
necessitate playing the tracks together for a while prior to going
into the studio, unless we want to spend around $150/hour rehearsing.
I feel that we would be better off to use a click track and
record on a track by track basis. I know how some of us feel about
that approach, but it's the only way it can be done without having a
ton of people there simultaneously.
>So I suggest that each musician on this jam who's interested in making this
>recording gives a list of TEN DT songs he KNOWS he can do 100%, along with
>the instrument played. The criteria should be "I know I can do this song"
>and not "I'd like to do this song". For instance, I love Metropolis but I
>wouldn't bet 0.02$ on managing it in the near future (on bass).
This may be a recurrent problem. We are going to have to be
certain that the parts can be played accurately before going into the
studio.
I really doubt that any of us are capable of covering this
stuff perfectly. I'm not being a pessimist here, just a realist. Using
MET as an example, how many people can honestly say that they can
duplicate JP and KM's tandem solos. TTT would fall under this as well.
In order to record those tracks, the keyboardist and guitar play would
HAVE to sit down together and work through those leads to ensure that
all of the note inflections were accurate. Otherwise, one musician
will have to learn another's take on that passage.
In order to do this, I would propose that the two lead players
exchange .WAVs of their takes on the solos via e-mail. Once a
particular version has been agreed upon, both can practice it. That
way, the leads will be in sync when it is time to do the recording.
If anyone has any tab or sheet music for any of the proposed
tracks, we should make it accessible to people who are interested in
the project ASAP.
This will be most critical, depending on the track, for the
keys and guitar as those two instruments share the bulk of the leads.
Are both of these now available in the US? I have yet to see them
here. If memory serves me correctly, there is some bass tab available.
> If the
>person is a multi-instrumentist (like me), and wants to do those
>instruments on the same song, then each instrument would make an entry on
>that list. The lists should be compiled for, say, a month, then it should
>be seen if we have a band for such and such song and then if we have enough
>songs to make worth a recording. If there are too many, then the selection
>should be done on a statistical basis (that seems fair).
That seems reasonable, but I think we need to have a way of
being certain that parts can be played correctly for each track. In
theory, once the lineup for a particular track had been decided upon,
musicians could exchange .WAVs as a means of ensuring precision. These
could also be made available to all members of the jam for auditioning
in cases where it's too close to call.
>We have to keep the whole thing as
>flexible as possible as far as the line-ups are considered. And if anyone
>has personal differences with someone, then fuck it. This shouldn't prevent
>you from playing on the same song as that person.
Agreed. The studio is no place for ego. I have personally
canned musicians for it and it can NEVER happen if you want to keep
things running smoothly.
The goal is the creation of art, not the winning of arguments
or popularity contests.
>Production: for the moment, I don't care who produces. MB could be the one,
>but it's more important to book a time, a studio as well as a rehearsal
>room and hotel right by the studio.
Excellent idea and very practical. I don't want to be driving
to Long Island from Toronto a couple of times per week.
> I said above to keep rehearsals to
>minimum, but it's obvious that (if this is gonna happen as it seems in the
>States) people that can get together will be able to rehearse before
>recording starts. The others (like me) that couldn't should be rehearsing
>while others record.
Agreed. That could only be done if there was a means of
providing backing tracks to musicians for each song. Unfortunately,
that would require the use of a studio or a 4 or 8 track DAT or analog
cassette.
I may be able to access this equipment and donate it to the
project. I'll get back to you all on that.
Kudos to Dave for getting serious discussion of this started.
I can work around whatever is most flexible for most of you, since I
am no longer studying and most of you still are.
Stay focused and let's do this thing!!
Cheers,
Rick
Toronto
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Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 22:31:29 GMT
From: rterry@inforamp.net (Rick Terry)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: YtsePool, James and cheese
Message-ID: <31f6a0b9.2670288@mail.inforamp.net>
Hi there,
>Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 12:21:41 -0400
>From: psull@ici.net (Pat Sullivan)
>> Ah yes! The good old Ytsesnooker and Ytse8ball! I'm in for a
>>tournament if I can get there.
>
>Oooooooh.....
>
>* DDictator sees a golden oppotunity to make some free money.
>
>Hey, anybody know if there's a pool hall anywhere near the hotel where the
>YtseCon is going to be? I need to know whether to bring my cues or not. :)
I may just have to attend to make you put your money where
your mouth is. :)
>Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 12:38:39 -0400
>From: Imxtnit@aol.com
>Sorry if this is an FAQ, but...exactly how does Kevin James pronounce
>*LaBrie*?
La-Bree. Just like the cheese. :)
This is not meant to imply that James stinks like cheese. He's
just named after one. Maybe his father worked on a dairy farm. :)
Cheers,
Rick
Toronto
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