YTSEJAM Digest 1714
Today's Topics:
1) Huey Looey and the Gooey Kablooie
by psull@ici.net (Pat Sullivan)
2) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1710
by akyuz@ltp.dmx.epfl.ch
3) DLR + VH = Balls
by Ryan_Rafaloff@tanagraphics.com (Ryan Rafaloff)
4) Fore!!! (including some DTC)
by Imxtnit@aol.com
5) Re: Fan Network Online
by Graham Borland <graham@grelb.src.gla.ac.uk>
6) Click tracks re-revisited (one more time)
by "Jeffrey Hochberg" <jeffrey_hochberg@CCGATEWAY.AMC.EDU>
7) IME, LATM, HG, + other var. abbrev.
by jestok@interlog.com (Mike Estok)
8) clicks
by Randall Braun <RBraun@tlr.ameridata.com>
9) Jam over the Internet!
by Jim Beavens <jbeavens@ichips.intel.com>
10) ANNOUNCING CD dubs of Mike Bahr's Acoustic Dreams
by JamesArin@aol.com
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Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 12:21:41 -0400
From: psull@ici.net (Pat Sullivan)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Huey Looey and the Gooey Kablooie
Message-ID: <199607241622.MAA16450@uhura.ici.net>
> Immediately scan your computer for the following viruses and have Good
>Times doing it:
That's the funniest thing I've read in a while. Thanks for breaking up my
day (along with a few of my co-workers :))
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>When you play without click, you tend to change the tempo according to the
>dynamics of the song going through your head.
Yup. I believe that the rythym of a song is not always best tied to a clock.
If the "feel" of a song requires minute, perhaps nearly imperceptable
changes to the dynamics, then that will be lost by using a click. All a
click is good for is keeping everybody at the same speed. If everyone
"wobbles" the same, what's the problem? :)
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>>The ol' hit it and chase it game? No thanks. I like my billiards on
>>much smaller tables.
>
> Ah yes! The good old Ytsesnooker and Ytse8ball! I'm in for a
>tournament if I can get there.
Oooooooh.....
* DDictator sees a golden oppotunity to make some free money.
Hey, anybody know if there's a pool hall anywhere near the hotel where the
YtseCon is going to be? I need to know whether to bring my cues or not. :)
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This space for rent...No pithy quotes need apply
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Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 18:25:54 +0200
From: akyuz@ltp.dmx.epfl.ch
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1710
Message-ID: <v02130500ae1bf075a079@[128.178.99.94]>
>throw away your pride...a click is a necassary tool in todays
>recording....We're not recording
>Robert Johnson with a turntable and a suspended can mike....
Mojo, this has nothing to do with pride. On our CD, we simply didn't go
with clicks for two reasons:
1. Our drummer hadn't practised and we hadn't rehearsed with clicks long
enough prior to entering studio.
2. More than half the songs wouldn't have allowed a single-tempo click: we
would've had to program the whole song. And that's time-consuming.
So please stop this bullshit that click is necessary, standard or what-not.
I'd personally prefer clicking, because that would make me feel better as
long as it doesn't kill the feeling with my drummer. Not because I feel it
has to be done that way.
You're a guitarist I presume, so you're probably NOT the one starting off
each song with the drummer in studio, so you don't really need that
feeling. You're only too glad to lay your riffs on something as regular as
possible. I understand.
Cheers,
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D A V E K I N G
vox & bass MT-20
"holding on is easier than letting go" (fw)
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Date: Wed, 24 Jul 96 12:29:44 -0500
From: Ryan_Rafaloff@tanagraphics.com (Ryan Rafaloff)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: DLR + VH = Balls
Message-ID: <144660.ensmtp@tanagraphics.com>
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From: Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
>I think Van Halen has matured greatly since DLR left. Letting Sammy Hagar
>go is a huge mistake. Bringing DLR back is an even bigger mistake.
Hold it!!!
I would have to think the opposite......Since DLR left, every other song that
VH wrote was about LOVE. I need not name them all.
Don't get me wrong, Love is a beautiful thing, and 5150 and OU812 are
favorites of mine w/Sammy. However, with so many LOVE oriented songs, it
starts to make them look like to much of a pop group...that would appeal more
to women and my parents.
Even Beavis and Buthead (who I watched in college), freaked when "Can't Stop
Lovin' You" came on the TV...
Mike Portnoy even said it himself, "...balls and chunk is where it's at!"
So maybe DLR will bring some balls back to the band.
Rock On,
-Raf "I need to live life like some people never will, so find me kindness,
find me beauty, find me truth..." LTL
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Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 12:38:39 -0400 From: Imxtnit@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Fore!!! (including some DTC) Message-ID: <960724123837_440907347@emout12.mail.aol.com>
Hey JamRz,
> BTW, what's another word for Thesaurus?
Synonymy - a collection of synonyms
Said Mirthrandir: >This thought just occured to me. Why don't we have a YTSE-GOLF >outing? I'm sure I would clean house on all of you. But seriously it would >be fun to have a tournament. Thoughts would be appreciated.
Hey, Mirth, sounds like a challenge! What's your handicap? Single digits, i hope ;-)
>Any Jammers in the NY Area that play golf....(or pretend to, like myself) that would >like to get together for the Long Island Ytse-Golf Classic.....
Shit...why's everything cool gotta happen in NYC?!? But on a long shot, any PA jammers/golfers interested in a Greater Pittsburgh Ytse-Open? For that matter, any Pittsburgh area jammers out there at all...don't recall seeing any...
BTW, anyone know anything about Arsin? Found their link on Skadz' page, downloaded some wav's, and they sound cool, a little more like straight metal with prog potential. Just wondering if anyone has their CD *Beyond* and could let me know what it's like.
On to the DTC: Sorry if this is an FAQ, but...exactly how does Kevin James pronounce *LaBrie*? Is it LaBr-eye, as i've been pronouncing it, La-Bree, La-Bray, or what? Just wondering, since until i saw LiT for the first time last week, i'd always pronounced JP's name Petru-sea, instead of Petru-chi, prob'ly 'cause my college's old football coach is named Petrucci and pronounces it with the soft *c* sound.
Thanks all...just want to be *in the know* :-) Tim -----------=======================--------- / "I am the way, I am the light, I am the \ / dark inside the night. I hear your hopes, I \ \ feel your dreams, and in the dark I hear / \ your screams." -- Savatage, "Believe" / -----------=======================--------- | IMXTNIT@AOL.COM | =======================
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Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 17:54:40 +0100 (BST) From: Graham Borland <graham@grelb.src.gla.ac.uk> To: YtseJam <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Fan Network Online Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.91.960724175237.9944A-100000@grelb.src.gla.ac.uk>
Josh wrote: > You can search the database according to world region and see > everyone else that is on it.
Yep . . . I tried that :-) It appears that the UK is now in two separate regions of Europe! Maybe Scotland got lucky and floated away, far away . . . :-)
Graham B. _______________________________________________ | o o | | Graham Borland |:: | graham@grelb.src.gla.ac.uk |:: | http://grelb.src.gla.ac.uk:8000/~graham |:: |_______________________________________________|:: :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
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Date: Wed, 24 Jul 96 12:58:11 EST From: "Jeffrey Hochberg" <jeffrey_hochberg@CCGATEWAY.AMC.EDU> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Click tracks re-revisited (one more time) Message-ID: <9606248382.AA838239654@CCGATEWAY.AMC.EDU>
> you have two choices get totally excited at your show and play 8 > minute songs in 4 minutes Let's not exaggerate TOO much. > or use a click to help control the > adrenaline... What's wrong with getting the adrenalin pumping when you're playing live? Isn't that what it's all about? > i belive that a click is one of the best inventions live and in the > studio! The metronome is certainly a wonderful invention. Any musician can tell you that practicing to a perfect tick-tock-tick-tock is probably the best way to develop a solid sense of timing & rhythm. But great music need not adhere to such a rigid, mechanical method of timing! I think the "human factor" is more important to a piece of music than worrying about whether the performance fluctuates a few BPM. Case in point: Tori Amos. I've seen her several times and own plenty of bootlegs, and with the exception of songs like "Cornflake Girl" and "God" during which she PLAYED ALONG WITH A SEQUENCER, she interprets her material differently each night. The type of mood she's in, how the audience is responding, etc. are what determines how the song comes across on any given night. Phish are another sterling example - you'll never see the same show twice, which is why they are such an exciting live band. They really feed off the energy of the crowd and it truly gives each performance of each song its own unique character. I'd much rather pay to see a band which is spontaneous and unpredictable in concert rather than locked into the same groove night in and night out. The same principle applies in the studio, as I mentioned in my last post. I want to hear YOUR groove, man! In a nutshell? Click tracks are a useful tool under certain circumstances, I'll concede that. I just think they're used way too often where it's not necessary. Great music was being performed and recorded for years and years before the technology was invented, and unfortunately now the technology has become a crutch and some people claim to NEED it. Does this this make any sense? Is it getting annoying yet? Sorry. Lying bleeding in the dark, Jeff
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Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 13:25:04 -0400 From: jestok@interlog.com (Mike Estok) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: IME, LATM, HG, + other var. abbrev. Message-ID: <199607241724.NAA09980@gold.interlog.com>
Hello all. Just a few thoughts:
IME: I Mother Earth. These guys are tremendously popular here in Canada. We're talking huge airplay. They are good, but they kind of pissed me off when they pulled a "Metallica". They were proudly metal on their first cd, now they have gone alternative in search of record sales. However, they manage to do it pretty good. The would be the closest thing to "progressive alternative". Go figure.
Good news about IME: they thank Dream Theater on their new cd Bad news about IME: they thank "Dream Theatre" on their new cd :(
LatM: Sorry, I just love this cd sooo much. Is it just me, or does every track on this cd sound better than it's original? Obviously the WDADU are an improvement, and I really like Metropolis on this cd. It has a less crisp, somewhat heavier and thicker sound. Ah, who cares, it kicks ass anywhere! Oh, and the version of Bombay vindaloo is a big improvement. (uh, wait a minute)
HG: Stands for "Happy Gilmore".
NOTE NOTE NOTE NOTE NOTE NOTE NOTE
Everyone out there, rent this movie IMMEDIATELY!!!! It is ranked in my top three all time favorite movies with Spinal Tap and Slap Shot. Don't sit in front of your computer. GO, put your shoes on....run to the damn video store and rent it!!!!!!! DO IT!!!!!!!! DO IT!!!!!! (or i might get angry!!)
Is it just me, or does beach volleyball in the olympics rock???
Michelob
"It's always funny until someone gets hurt....then it's just hilarious!" -Faith No More
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Date: Wed, 24 Jul 96 12:55:00 PDT From: Randall Braun <RBraun@tlr.ameridata.com> To: "'Ytsejam'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: clicks Message-ID: <31F67F2D@mailgate.ameridata.com>
I'm not a drummer nor play any other instrument very well, but I do believe I'm an informed layman on many facets of music & music theory. Not that this matter...
I've read that Neil (or is it Neal, I should know this) Peart uses a click track on some pieces in concert not because he can't keep the rhythm, but rather to synchronize the rhythm with the lighting and other special effects. 'nuf said by me.
White Lilly Rock
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Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 11:04:37 -0700 From: Jim Beavens <jbeavens@ichips.intel.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Jam over the Internet! Message-ID: <199607241758.KAA06466@ichips.intel.com>
Hey all you ytsefreaks out there,
I received this on another mailing list I subscribe to (any other Sound Canvas users out there?), and thought it was somewhat relevant to the discussions about covering DT material. Of course, I doubt many people have a MIDI guitar or bass, but this gives you an idea of what some people are trying out there. Note that I'm only a mediocre clarinet player with aspirations to learn to play keyboard, so I can't contribute to the DT tribute effort, but I thought this was interesting.
Jim
------- Forwarded Message To: scug-list@frisbee.net.au From: Greg Evans <gje@visi.com> Subject: SCUG: Re: Play Midi Instruments Over the Internet Now!
Hey SCUGGERs. I requested this information from Mr. Mercer because I thought some of you might find it interesting...
>Posted-Date: Tue, 23 Jul 1996 21:23:33 -0500 (CDT) >Date: Tue, 23 Jul 1996 23:57:02 -0300 >To: Greg Evans <gje@visi.com> >From: andrewm@voyager.newcomm.net (Andrew Mercer) >Subject: Re: Play Midi Instruments Over the Internet Now! > >Hi Greg >Thanks for the oppertunity. I hope the following document will be detailed >enough for the SCUG. If you need any more info please let me know. > >Thanks again > >Andrew Mercer >President, Full Tilt Design Inc. >andrewm@newcomm.net > >-------------------- > >Full Tilt Design Inc. >P.O.Box 211 >Spaniard's Bay >Newfoundland >Canada >A0A 3X0 > >tel (709)749 6536 >fax (709)786 6112 >email andrewm@newcomm.net >web http://198.165.107.162/ > >Playing MIDI Instruments over the Internet >A very important part of the creative process for musicians is playing in a >group setting. Until now playing together required musicians to travel to >the same physical location. The Internet has made communication between >distances easier, but for the musician, this innovation has not made the >communication of music any easier. Full Tilt Design has solved this problem >with the introduction of Net Sessions. > >Full Tilt Design has created a piece of software, Net Sessions, that allows >Musicians to jam over the Internet or a LAN using Midi instruments. With >the creation of this ground breaking piece of software we have seen a whole >new form of communication for musicians. At last musicians can play >together without having to be in the same physical location. Imagine >playing Midi guitar in a cyber-band who's members are scattered all over >the continent - drummer in Toronto, sax player in Halifax, keyboardists in >Montreal. The effects such a piece of software will have on the music >industry will be astounding. > >In a nut shell Net Sessions uses to modules - a transmitter and a receiver. >The transmitter sends all the midi data you are creating to all the members >of the group you are playing with and the receiver receives the data from >the other members. The end result is a cyber-jam. > >Net Sessions' performance depends heavily on the speed of your network >connection. We recommend that all players use Net Sessions with at least a >28.8k baud modem. Nonetheless, we have used Net Sessions on many occasions >with 14.4k baud modems and have had great success. If you find your network >is too slow or too busy to allow 2 players at once, you can try playing 1 >at a time and ask your network administrator about increasing the speed of >your network connection. > >Minimum System Requirements > > - 486 DX2 66 > - 4 megs of RAM > - Windows 3.x or 95 > - MIDI instrument that is connected to your computer > - Sound card > - Access to a LAN running TCP/IP or a connection to the Internet with a >14.4k baud modem (The faster the connection the better) > > >Recommended System Requirements > > - Pentium 75 > - 16 megs of RAM > - Windows 95 > - MIDI instrument that is connected to your computer > - Sound card > - Access to a LAN running TCP/IP or a ethernet connection to the Internet > >An Interactive Web Suite is currently underway for Net Sessions. In this >suite you can stop by a virtual studio and "cyber-jam" with other musicians >or listen to a "cyber-jam" already in progress. You will also be able to >listen to real-live performances as they happen over the Internet or give a >concert yourself. There will also be a place in the Net Sessions' web suite >where musicians can get together and chat. This area is provided so >musicians can do things like discuss recent net-concerts, meet new >musicians, arrange a "cyberjam," etc. These are only a couple of areas to >explore on the Net Sessions web suite. Full Tilt envisions the Net Sessions >web suite as the hub of online musical activity. > >On the Net Sessions site that is currently running you will find a >Musicians Contact Page. This page is set up to get "jam hungry" musicians >using Net Sessions in contact with other musicians using Net Sessions. This >page is a result of many emails saying, "I want to jam, but I don't have >anyone to jam with!" Use this page to meet other musicians and let us know >how your jam sessions go. (andrewm@newcomm.net) > >http://198.165.107.162/ > >Purchasing Net Sessions via email > >Send a Cheque or Money Order for $65.00 (U.S. funds) to the following >address and Net Sessions will be sent to you via email. Include your name >and a clearly written email address where Net Sessions and Net Sessions >upgrades can be sent. > >Full Tilt Design Inc. >P.O. Box 211 Spaniard's Bay >Newfoundland >Canada >A0A 3X0 > >Purchasing Net Sessions via postal mail > >Send a Cheque or Money Order for $65.00 plus $15.00 shipping and handling >(U.S. funds) to the following address. Include your name and a clearly >written postal address where Net Sessions and Net Sessions upgrades can be >sent. Please allow 4 to 6 weeks for delivery. > >Full Tilt Design Inc. >P.O. Box 211 Spaniard's Bay >Newfoundland >Canada >A0A 3X0 > >If you purchase a full version of Net Sessions before Aug. 15, 1996 you >will receive 1 year of free Net Sessions upgrades. > > >To learn more about Net Sessions or Full Tilt Design you can visit their >web site at http://198.165.107.162/ or you can write them at >andrewm@newcomm.net > > >Net Sessions, Full Tilt Design are Trade Marks of Full Tilt Design Inc. 1996. > > > >
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-- Jim Beavens <jbeavens@ichips.intel.com> | If I had a witty remark that MD6 Design Engineer, Intel Corp, Hillsboro OR | would better the lives of my -=(UDIC)=- Subconscious Dragon -=(UDIC)=- | fellow mankind, do you really ** I don't speak for Intel ** | think I would put it HERE?
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Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 14:14:33 -0400 From: JamesArin@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com, metropolis@arastar.com, durnik@indirect.com, Subject: ANNOUNCING CD dubs of Mike Bahr's Acoustic Dreams Message-ID: <960724141432_583791171@emout14.mail.aol.com>
Yes it is true as the subject line states I can make you a copy of Acoustic Dreams on CD. Now I say again that this is a COPY and it is not an original from some secret stock pile. :^) I have received permission from Mike to do this and my intent is not to compete with him. I am doing this because I realize that there are a number of Jammers that missed out on Acoustic Dreams and I would like to help.
> A note from Mike: > Hi everyone! I can't make any more, you're all well aware of >that. It seems like what Jim's doing here is a decent enough project... I >don't even know how he's going to cover costs because I barely did when I >was using much less expensive recording media. If you missed out on >Subconscious, this is your chance to at least get a CD copy of it. It >won't be the original, numbered, valuable collectible, but it will be the >same music on CD and that sure beats cassettes! :) For the record, as the >original creator of Subconscious, I give my blessing for this project to >go forward, and he might do Acoustic Dreams later; who knows! > >MTFBWY! Mike Bahr, durnik@indirect.com/mikebahr@dreamt.org
It WILL sound exactly the same as the original. It WILL NOT look exactly the same as the original. It WILL cost the same as the original. $25 U.S.
Additional postage: USA free Canada / Mex $1.00 US Scandinavia $3.00 US Europe / UK $4.00 US Japan $5.00 US Aus/NZ/etc. $5.00 US
If you send a money order I can mail the disc out without delay (usually 1 or 2 days after recieving payment). With a check I must wait 10 business days after I deposit it in order for my bank to tell me if it has cleared. I don't mind doing this but if you want it ASAP send a money order. :^)
SEND PAYMENTS TO:
JAMES ARIN COLBERG P.O. Box 751 BRANFORD, CT. 06405-0751 USA
Please include with your payment a note with the following information:
Acoustic Dreams Order NAME: RETURN ADDRESS: E-MAIL: # of COPIES:
Thanks, Jim Colberg JamesArin@aol.com
=========================================================== Acoustic Dreams Track List:
1. Another Day (4:38) 2. Lifting Shadows (5:30) 3. Wait for Sleep (2:32) 4. Silent Man (3:30) 5. Long Island Expressway (2:34) 6. Tears (3:14) 7. O Holy Night (4:01) 8. Perfect Strangers (5:51) 9. Six O'Clock (5:47) 10. Caught In a Web (5:27)
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