YTSEJAM Digest 1711
Today's Topics:
1) Mojo, Rush/DT, DHPC
by Dave Hatlee <buster@ee.net>
2) Clicks
by "call me Joey The Axe Man" <IBANEZ_MAN@msn.com>
3) This is the DT list
by skooc@ix.netcom.com (Scott Cook)
4) Hmmmmmm........
by Ryan P Skadberg <skadz@stigmata.org>
5) More about my underwear: tildes, thesauri, gullibility & opinions
by hawkeye7@ix.netcom.com (Larry Odneal)
6) Re: New Viruses
by brax@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Bracken MacLeod)
7) To my friend Frank
by The Digital Man <cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu>
8) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1710
by "Chris Ptacek" <someone@enteract.com>
9) stuff that sucks
by RipZero <ripzero@dreamt.org>
10) Various things
by Mithrandir <mithrandir@pb.net>
11) Queensryche CD-ROM
by MrAndrom@aol.com
12) Re: YtseBytsePuns
by John Dea <jrdea@novia.net>
13) About the GOOD TIMES Virus
by "Matthew A. Schnoor" <schnoor@cs.pdx.edu>
14) Re: New Viruses
by jforte@acl.nyit.edu (Chambers)
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Date: Tue, 23 Jul 1996 19:01:12 -0400
From: Dave Hatlee <buster@ee.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Mojo, Rush/DT, DHPC
Message-ID: <31F559B8.3638@ee.net>
howdy all, I haven't posted in a while cuz I been working hard,
but who hasn't been right!?
1. NDTC - I loved Mojomans take on VH in their defense! It not only made me
laugh, but he made some good points :)
2. DTC - As all jammers know, Rush has had an influence on DT, and I too am
a Rush fan. Well, I've been wanting to mention this for a while:
List to "The Camera Eye" off of MOVING PICTURES, and tell me if you
feel there are any similarities or common themes between that and
"Metropolis". Naturally Camera Eye is not heavy like DT, but it's
about the city and it's emotions, and it goes through several timing and
melody changes like Metropolis. They both inspire me!
3. NDTC - I am almost complete with my new site for DH PC Service. If you
are in need of a PC, Hardware, or Web services please check it out:
http://www.nfsqal.com/dhpc/
4. DTC - I'll be at the Mike Portnoy drum clinic in Columbus Ohio
this Sunday. Anyone else goin'?
CYAl8r
Dave Hatlee
buster@ee.net
http://users1.ee.net/buster "When Dream and Doom Unite!"
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Date: Tue, 23 Jul 96 23:05:36 UT
From: "call me Joey The Axe Man" <IBANEZ_MAN@msn.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Clicks
Message-ID: <UPMAIL04.199607232305120099@msn.com>
The only musician that i have heard cant get the feel with a click is one that
has no concept of timing, and cant play to a click! I mean these are the
shit bands that play at clubs start off at 90 beats per minute, slow to 75 and
end at 120!
mojoman said it, no one has a clock in thier head and a click puts one
there...i have yet to see a great band live who didnt have a flash (metronome)
or a headset on with a click track , almost everyband i've seen live uses
one....
you have two choices get totally excited at your show and play 8 minute songs
in 4 minutes or use a click to help control the adreneline....
i belive that a click is one of the best inventions live and in the studio!
"and thats all I have to say about that..." Forrest Gump
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Date: Tue, 23 Jul 1996 16:07:43 -0700
From: skooc@ix.netcom.com (Scott Cook)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: This is the DT list
Message-ID: <199607232307.QAA03521@dfw-ix9.ix.netcom.com>
Syrinx Says (so it is law):
>>So, yesterday I pick up the new I MOTHER EARTH cd. It's pretty
killer stuff for those of you who liked Edwin's vocals on Alex
Liefson's _VICTOR_ album and such. It's even got one of 'dem CDEnhanced
things. Now, all i need is a CDrom and i'm set.<<
Then he says:
>>To all of you VH'ers: Shut up. This isn't the goddamn Van Halen
listserv, is it? <well, last time _I_ checked it wasn't, but i could be
wrong>.<<
No Mike, you're absolutely right, this ISN'T the VH list, on the other
hand, it isn't the I MOTHER EARTH, or VICTOR list either, <well, last
time _I_ checked it wasn't, but i could be wrong>.
Sorry Mike, but I couldn't resist :)
GRINDER HAS SPOKEN ! ! ! (BFD!)
************************************************************************
"I FORGOT THE FUCKING WORDS!"
David Lee Roth - US '83 Festival.
************************************************************************
David's back in. Sammy's out. Deal with it and move on with your
life. Sorry, but it's gotta be said.
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Date: Tue, 23 Jul 1996 19:41:15 -0400
From: Ryan P Skadberg <skadz@stigmata.org>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Hmmmmmm........
Message-ID: <31F5631A.4A44@stigmata.org>
Hey all ....
Just web browsing a bit and came upon this. Its from
MTV's web site. It sounds like they are doing a special
called It Came from the Eighties Pt 2 that is gonna be about
metal bands .....
I guess they asked for some ideas and this is somthing they put
on their site:
We want to thank everyone for their feedback so far. It's been great
getting all of your letters ( yes, we actually read all of the mail!).
The heartfelt sentiments for the metal music (especially from the '80s)
is being felt and we appreciate the time taken out to write us. Also,
thanks for your honesty regarding MTV and the cancellation of
Headbangers Ball. All of the letters concerning the lack of metal on
the channel are helpful and are being brought to the attention of our
programming department.
Hmmmm ... the return of Metal on MTV?????
Skadz
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Date: Tue, 23 Jul 1996 17:02:33 -0700
From: hawkeye7@ix.netcom.com (Larry Odneal)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: More about my underwear: tildes, thesauri, gullibility & opinions
Message-ID: <199607240002.RAA20325@dfw-ix2.ix.netcom.com>
Marcelo Martinelli wrote:
>About 3 weeks ago I was a guest at his show and I was allowed to put
>"6:00" and talk a little about DT and from there is where the idea
>came from and hopefully it will come a reality in the near future.
>I'm hoping that this will help DT gain some popularity at least in my
>town since DT isn't very popular here in Mexico. Well that is my
>little support for DT and I'm eagerly awaiting the next album.
Good job, man! Spread the word whenever possible!
Chris Ptacek wrote:
>I meant I've been playing for about seven or eight years.
I know what you meant, but like I said - I couldn't resist! 8^)
>And do we have carbon dating to prove the age of said underwear?
Just another joke. Actually, I buy new ones every decade or so,
whether I need 'em or not.
>~Buy Perspectives, by Jason Becker. Support ALS~
>----------------------------------------------------
Must Buy Perspectives . . . Must Buy Perspectives . . . SOMEBODY HEP
ME, I BEEN HYP-MO-TIZED! . . . by that little tilde . . .
Mojoman bellowed:
>I don't care if you're Eddie Fucking Van Halen....
Actually, in the spirit of the GrammarJam, it's supposed to be Eddie
Van Fucking Halen. Please correct your Thesauruses. (Thesauri?)
BTW, what's another word for Thesaurus?
On the same topic, did you know they took the word "gullible" out of
the dictionary? Yeah, really! Go ahead, look it up!
Adam B. quoted me, only to disagree:
>>I bought I&W first, too, and I disagree 100%. Awake is the best
>>album of all time. No qualifiers, it's a fact.
>Can't say I agree....that "Awake" is a better record ain't anything
>vaguely resembling a "fact," and I'd have to say that "Images and
>Words" is, by far, the best album in the Dream Theater catalog.
Sorry I forgot the smiley, dude. Of course it's not a "fact" - just a
very strongly held opinion. Actually BOTH albums are incredible - I
prefer Awake by a slim margin.
If you prefer I&W, that's your opinion. And you know what they say
about opinions . . .
"Opinions are like assholes - everybody's got one, but YOURS STINKS!"
The smiley is implied.
Sir Reality
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Date: Tue, 23 Jul 1996 18:04:18 -0600 (MDT)
From: brax@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Bracken MacLeod)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: New Viruses
Message-ID: <9607240004.AA127032@lamar.ColoState.EDU>
Immediately scan your computer for the following viruses and have Good
Times doing it:
> >>
> >> PAT BUCHANAN VIRUS: Your system works fine, but it complains
loudly about foreign software.
> >>
> >> HILLARY CLINTON VIRUS: Files disappear, only to reappear
mysteriously a year later, in another directory.
> >>
> >> PAUL REVERE VIRUS: This revoluntionary virus does not horse
around. It warns you of impending hard disk attack: Once if by LAN; twice if
by C.
> >>
> >> ROSS PEROT VIRUS: Activates every component in your system, just
> before the whole thing quits.
> >>
> >> NEW WORLD ORDER VIRUS: Probably harmless, but it makes a lot of
people really mad just thinking about it.
> >>
> >> FEDERAL BUREAUCRAT VIRUS: Divides your hard disk into hundreds of
little units, each of which does practically nothing, but all of which
> >> claim to be the most important part of your computer.
> >>
> >> TEXAS VIRUS: Makes sure that it's bigger than any other file.
> >>
> >> ADAM AND EVE VIRUS: Take a couple bytes out of your Apple.
> >>
> >> FREUDIAN VIRUS: Your computer becomes obsessed with marrying its
own motherboard.
> >>
> >> PBS VIRUS: Your programs stop every few minutes to ask for money.
> >>
> >> ELVIS VIRUS: Your computer gets fat, slow and lazy, then self
destructs, only to resurface at shopping malls and service stations across
rural America.
> >>
> >> JIMMY HOFFA VIRUS: Your programs can never be found again.
> >>
> >> KEVORKIAN VIRUS: Helps your computer shut down as an act of mercy.
> >>
> >> STAR TREK VIRUS: Invades your system in places where no virus has
gone before
> >
> >> HEALTH CARE VIRUS: Test your system for a day, finds nothing
wrong and sends you a bill for $4,500.
Slainte,
Bracken
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Date: Tue, 23 Jul 1996 20:30:13 -0400 (EDT)
From: The Digital Man <cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu>
To: Ytse Jam <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: To my friend Frank
Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9607232024.E18449-0100000@griffin.emba.uvm.edu>
> From: "Frank Benenati" <mojonet@pb.net>
> Subject: Clicks.....
>
> Ok....Time for me to jump into this.....
>
> I don't care if you're Eddie Fucking Van Halen....God didn't put a
> perfect metronome in
> anyones head!!!!
>
> this is such a sore spot with me....because I feel my bands demo would
> have been a hell
> of a lot better if we used clicks.....(both sessions)....
>
> Unfortunately....my band was filled with people that share this stupid
> pride about clicks...
> Because they never sat down and truely learned rhythm.....they couldn't
> play with a
> click.....so they responded " See???? It doesnt work!!!"
> The problem was that they didn't know how to play with a click....
>
> Feel is bullshit!!! When you are a professional....and you are cutting
> something
> That is going to remain on tape forever...you put a click in!!!
>
> I think Digital boy has read too many sensationalist articles with
> musicians claiming
> they just went in and Jammed....
> Yeah!!! Right!!!! I'd want you to believe that too....If you were reading
> my interview!
>
> Maybe this tactic will work on this list....
>
> Dream Theater uses clicks!!!!! Portnoy said it himself!!!
> The only time they don't is when it is physically impossible!!!!
>
> throw away your pride...a click is a necassary tool in todays
> recording....We're not recording
> Robert Johnson with a turntable and a suspended can mike....
Hey Frank! Good to hear from you again! Yeah, I'm doing well, thanks
for asking. Burlington is nice, but I'm glad that I'm going home on
Friday so we can hang out again.
Hey, listen, there's something I've been meaning to get off my chest.
You remember that band I formed back in '92 that I asked you to join
sometime in '94? Yeah, well, you know, I'm really sorry for totally
screwing the pooch on that click-track thing. After all, it was your
band and all.
Oh, and thanks for writing to me to make sure you understood what I
meant before you flew off the handle and posted something ridiculous to
a public forum. Thankfully, you don't have a propensity toward that
type of thing.
Hey, listen, I just need one small favor from ya. Would it be possible
for you to stick your head neck-deep in your own ass and take a few deep
breaths? You already have?!? Wow. Frank, you're a true friend.
Hey, see ya Friday.
Your pal,
Chris
P.S. I almost forgot - Even more people have been writing to me lately,
telling me how cool that Vision tape is. I mean, some people actually
wonder why we haven't gotten signed yet! Good thing I didn't let any of
that bullshit "feeling" stuff into my performances, huh?
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The Digital Man \|/ ____ \|/ Secretary
cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu "@'/ ,. \`@" UVM Comp Sci Student Assn
d-man@dreamt.org /_| \__/ |_\ "He won't need a bed
http://www.emba.uvm.edu/~cmerlo \__U_/ He's a digital man" - Peart
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Date: Tue, 23 Jul 1996 19:31:25 +0000
From: "Chris Ptacek" <someone@enteract.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com, ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1710
Message-ID: <199607240030.TAA01785@enteract.com>
>
> If you've got the feel, and you're a precise unit, the click only adds to
> the equation. But not having it doesn't subtract, and having it if you
> can't groove does take away from the quality of the band. That's what I
> meant to say. :)
>
Now I understand. Thanks for the clarification.
>
> I've always been a guy who looked out for others, so here is something
> everyone should know about,
> if you don't know it already!!
>
> Important:
>
> If you get Internet Email Entitled "Good Times" Delete it. It has a virus as
> an attached file.
>
There is no Good Times Virus. This was started on AOL. AOL and MIT
got together and took this rumor down over a year ago. Thanks for
watching out for us, but don't freak out about it. Good to know that
SOMEONE is watching out for your puters tho. :)
> ah, but what if they had godly powers? YtseDamn?
> what if they sponsored a bad meat company? YtseSpam?
> what if they took up magical abilities? YtseKazam! ?
>
What will we be doing if we get this tribute cd off the ground? YtseCram
What do you call it when your trade tapes finally arrive?
YtseGram
What's the third favorite beverage in the world? Snapple
Oh... nevermind.
We're with you, Mr. The Kid!
Chris Ptacek
EnterAct, L.L.C.
someone@enteract.com
K Elf Amon@Aol.Com (Emergency Use Only)
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"True Syncophants know how to spell 'syncophancy'...
otherwise they can't get into the meetings."
-Mike Keneally
~Buy Perspectives, by Jason Becker. Support ALS~
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Date: Tue, 23 Jul 1996 20:37:42 -0500
From: RipZero <ripzero@dreamt.org>
To: Heavy Metal Computer Nerds <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: stuff that sucks
Message-ID: <31F57E66.7646@dreamt.org>
D-Man mentioned to check out www.suck.com last jam around, i second the
motion completely :) the mtv article is truly supreme... i have to
share this line with everyone-
"...Beavis and Butt-head, who are nothing if not instructors in how to
watch MTV."
lol, how fuckin' true =)
> Unfortunately....my band was filled with people that share this
>stupid pride about clicks...
> Because they never sat down and truely learned rhythm.....they
>couldn't play with a click.....so they responded " See???? It doesnt
>work!!!"
M O J O, time to ditch those bandmates :)
VH thread- i dont care no more, i like(d?) dave, i like sammy. isnt
that the extent of this thing?
~Rip
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Date: Tue, 23 Jul 1996 18:52:21 -0700 (PDT)
From: Mithrandir <mithrandir@pb.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Various things
Message-ID: <199607240152.SAA03913@mindcrime.ax.com>
My two cents on the click thing: When I recorded the demo with
D-man, and Mojo I was not asked to play to a click. If I had been I could
have. One thing my drum instructor stressed was playing to a metronome,
which I learned to do. My timing, however has a tendency to flow somewhat
more live. As for bands that have not used clicks, try Iron Maiden, and Led
Zep. If you tried to put a click to either one of those bands the click
would break. Does that mean that the music sucked? No way!
Wedge, when we recorded Walls, you, me, and Frank all played the
basic rythm tracks together, and added stuff later. Don't you remember the
frustration? Also some bands(namely RUSH, and Fates Warning) use clicks live
on some songs. Watch the video from Grace Under Pressure, and you'll see
Neil playing to a click on The Weapon, and Red sector A. Mark Zonder used it
extensivly when I saw FW. Oh yeah, I would not say that "three chord rock is
what made me the musician I am now" too loudly.
Ben: As you get older and wiser you will be eventually sucked into
playing golf. I was the same way as you at your age. Although, maybe you
don't like it because there is so little grass in Las Vegas. Just a guess.
" It's in the hole! It's a Cindarella story!" Now that's what GOLF is
all about!
Elen sila lumenn omentilmo, Mithrandir
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Date: Tue, 23 Jul 1996 22:13:28 -0400
From: MrAndrom@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Queensryche CD-ROM
Message-ID: <960723221326_368836034@emout15.mail.aol.com>
RE: Chung Ng
You should be able to find the CD-ROM at most record stores or software
outlets ($40-$50). There's also a website with Rockonline where you can order
at a discount price. I can't remember the web address but I have a link to
this place on my web page.
http://user.aol.com/MrAndrom/
Next time you're surfin' , navigate here and check it out. Excuse the mess,
it's still under construction.
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Date: Tue, 23 Jul 96 22:04:22 -0500
From: John Dea <jrdea@novia.net>
To: "~YTSEJAM" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: YtseBytsePuns
Message-ID: <199607240303.WAA00016@oasis.novia.net>
>What if DT was one of those haircut bands? Would we be subscribed to the
>YtseGlam?
>What if we found out that they've been lip-synching this whole time?
>YtseScam?
>What if they had gone into waterway engineering? YtseDam?
>What if George Michael joined the group? YtseWham?
>What's that new Mike Bahr cd called? YtseSFAM?
>What if they played in drag? YtseMa'am?
>What if they were seafood chefs? YtseClam?
>What if everyone moshed at the Malibu? YtseSlam?
>Who's that rockin' cabbie? YtsePam?
So does that mean their favorite kind of meat is YtseHam, YtseLamb, or
YtseSPAM? Then again, that last one doesn't really count as meat (-8
John
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National Target Base (NTB) Target : jdea@creighton.edu
Planning System Developer : deaj@j63.stratcom.af.mil
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Date: Tue, 23 Jul 1996 20:14:44 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Matthew A. Schnoor" <schnoor@cs.pdx.edu>
To: Ytsejam List <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: About the GOOD TIMES Virus
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91.960723195633.19090A-100000@sirius.cs.pdx.edu>
In JAM # 1710, Ryan Rafaloff wrote something about a GOOD TIMES virus
being spread through Internet E-mail. This is an old rumor that is
absolutely false.
First, most Internet E-mail (with the exception of MIME attachments) is
sent as pure text. It is NOT executed when received, therefore there is
NO CHANCE that a virus could be spread through a simple text file.
If in fact they were sending a virus, they'd probably send some binary
code designed to throw off the UNIX Sendmail daemon... in which case, the
message would be addressed to a program, not a user on the UNIX machine.
But, Sendmail is usually updated to prevent such bugs from being exploited.
The only other possibility is that an E-mail message can send VT100 codes
to "re-map" your keyboard into doing something it isn't supposed to do.
But, given the wide variety of mailreaders (and hardware platforms) that
receive E-mail, I'm pretty sure it's impossible to do this on anything
other than a UNIX terminal-based program.
So, the chances of a virus being spread through Internet E-mail are
virtually nil.
I've seen this GOOD TIMES warning circulated for the past year. It's
pretty damn annoying. If you don't believe me, go to CERT or NCSA and
ask them about the "Good Times" virus... you'll get the same answer. :)
DTC: If Dream Theater went on a health-food craze, would they eat YtseBran?
See ya,
[ Matthew A. Schnoor ] [Bolo@ytsejam@irc.dreamt.org:2112]
[ schnoor@cs.pdx.edu ] [http://www.cs.pdx.edu/~schnoor/index.html]
[ bolo@dreamt.org ] "Daybreak, at the bottom of a lake..."
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Date: Tue, 23 Jul 1996 23:52:50 -0400
From: jforte@acl.nyit.edu (Chambers)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: New Viruses
Message-ID: <96072323525054@acl.nyit.edu>
>If you get Internet Email Entitled "Good Times" Delete it. It has a virus asan
>attached file.
*sigh*
Wait....Im not going to dignify this with a response.
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is granted, all else follows." --George Orwell
"--Anything that happens, happens.
--Anything that, in happening, causes something else to happen, causes
something else to happen.
--Anything that, in happening, causes itself to happen again, happens
again.
--It doesn't necessarily do it in chronological order, though."
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