YTSEJAM Digest 1708
Today's Topics:
1) Re: EVH
by skooc@ix.netcom.com (Scott Cook)
2) Re: FREE DLR TAPE! ! ! !
by skooc@ix.netcom.com (Scott Cook)
3) Re: FREE DLR TAPE! ! ! !
by vestal@usa.net (DUSTY VESTAL)
4) clicks, irc, and the usual inane shit
by The Digital Man <cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu>
5) Rush Tribute
by "John R. Kotzian" <koggie@cyberspace.org>
6) Savatage
by ai292@freenet.carleton.ca (Gordon McFee)
7) Re: Marty Friedman & GC
by Sava Web <savaweb@winternet.com>
8) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1707
by acook@tiac.net (acook)
9) Faith No More
by nishiki@juno.com (Aaron Silverman)
10) Re: VH, 'Jam RAM cram, & Sam (NDTC)
by hawkeye7@ix.netcom.com (Larry Odneal)
11) Re: Almost forgot to make a smartass remark . . .
by hawkeye7@ix.netcom.com (Larry Odneal)
12) Any jammers or Prog Rock bands in Phoenix?
by MrAndrom@aol.com
13) Clockwork, Thanks, and mini-DTC
by Imxtnit@aol.com
14) Metropolis pt II + Golf clubs
by Mithrandir <mithrandir@pb.net>
15) new cd title
by Uncle.Dave@asu.edu
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Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 17:58:33 -0700
From: skooc@ix.netcom.com (Scott Cook)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: EVH
Message-ID: <199607230058.RAA11060@dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com>
>>>
IMHO Eddie VH could become a world-class guitarist if he'd loose those
slackers and losers which call themselves his "band". He could also
drop that zit-puckered teenage hormone music and write some stuff that
shows some creativity--not the crap that sounds like real-fast
shredding on a simple-simon tuna, er tune. But he probably wouldn't:
he's making too much $$$ from simple-minded morons. IMHO
<<<
IMHO you're an ----, well, never mind. I can't see where you come up
with that "Zit-puckered blah blah blah," I guess you haven't heard
Don't Tell Me (What Love Can Do), or how about Deja Vu, or Not Enough,
or Feelin' or Aftershock, or.... I think you get my point.
I had more but what's the use. The person who wrote this is STILL
sending mail to arastar. Hey Genius, we haven't been at arastar for 7
months now. When you get a clue, write back.
DTC: Let's hope they find a producer soon so we'll finally get to hear
some new stuff from them.
Scott
"Honesty is my only excuse."
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Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 18:11:57 -0700
From: skooc@ix.netcom.com (Scott Cook)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: FREE DLR TAPE! ! ! !
Message-ID: <199607230111.SAA16393@dfw-ix1.ix.netcom.com>
>>>
In my own opinion, it's been many years since Van Halen has put out
anything interesting...I'm suprised more jammers don't agree with
this...I prefer David Lee Roth anyday over Sammy...Sammy was really
good on his own, but their music has really turned wimpy since he took
over the vocals for VH... Plus, Eddie hasn't put out anything
interesting on guitar. It all seems to sound the same.... I know alot
of people think that Dave is more of a showman, but come on, songs like
"Humans Being" and "How do I know if it's love" seem so tame compared
to "Atomic Punk", and "And the cradle will rock"... At least every song
wasn't a love song back then......Yea, Dave needs to stay off the booz,
but he needs to give VH the kick in the pants that they need...Dusty
<<<
In my opinion, DAVID LEE ROTH IS A GEEK! I saw him in concert in 94 in
a BAR and he sounded like shit. His appearance n The Tonight Show in
November was embarrasing, even Robin Williams was trying to distance
himself from Dave. I saw VH 3 times with "Diamond" Dave and twice with
Sammy. There is NO comparison. While I really enjoyed the Dave years,
Sammy has Roth beat 20 ways to one. Van Halen working with Roth again
is a step backwards in my opinion. And to back it up I'll make the same
offer I made on the Dokken list.
I have a DLR concert on audio recorded at the House Of Blues in L.A. in
1994. It is perfect quality. You can really hear Dave's voice as clear
as day. If anyone is interested, send me a :90 tape with an SASE and
I'll make a copy for you. If you make it through this tape without
becoming physically ill, then you have a stronger stomach than I do.
Scott Cook
************************************************************************
"The Hard Rock Hotel has a new poker chip with Van halen on it, but
it'll only get you to the Men's room" DLR, Tonight Show 1995
"I forgot the fuckin' words!" DLR, US '83
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Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 19:46:36 -0600 (MDT)
From: vestal@usa.net (DUSTY VESTAL)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: FREE DLR TAPE! ! ! !
Message-ID: <199607230146.TAA19910@mail.usa.net>
>
>In my opinion, DAVID LEE ROTH IS A GEEK! I saw him in concert in 94 in
>a BAR and he sounded like shit. His appearance n The Tonight Show in
>November was embarrasing, even Robin Williams was trying to distance
>himself from Dave. I saw VH 3 times with "Diamond" Dave and twice with
>Sammy. There is NO comparison. While I really enjoyed the Dave years,
>Sammy has Roth beat 20 ways to one. Van Halen working with Roth again
>is a step backwards in my opinion. And to back it up I'll make the same
>offer I made on the Dokken list.
>
>I have a DLR concert on audio recorded at the House Of Blues in L.A. in
>1994. It is perfect quality. You can really hear Dave's voice as clear
>as day. If anyone is interested, send me a :90 tape with an SASE and
>I'll make a copy for you. If you make it through this tape without
>becoming physically ill, then you have a stronger stomach than I do.
>
>Scott Cook
>
>************************************************************************
>"The Hard Rock Hotel has a new poker chip with Van halen on it, but
>it'll only get you to the Men's room" DLR, Tonight Show 1995
>
>"I forgot the fuckin' words!" DLR, US '83
>************************************************************************
Actually, when I say that DLR is better than Sammy, I mean that more in a
studio sense...Roth has always been great in the studio and has had a great
voice too, but yes, I have heard that he sucks really bad live....DUSTY
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Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 22:23:21 -0400 (EDT)
From: The Digital Man <cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu>
To: Ytse Jam <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: clicks, irc, and the usual inane shit
Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9607222210.I8886-0100000@griffin.emba.uvm.edu>
> From: Randall Braun <RBraun@tlr.ameridata.com>
> Subject: Edgy Van Heflen & the Slackers
>
> More on VH....
>
> IMHO Eddie VH could become a world-class guitarist if he'd loose those
> slackers and losers which call themselves his "band". He could also drop
> that zit-puckered teenage hormone music and write some stuff that shows some
> creativity--not the crap that sounds like real-fast shredding on a
> simple-simon tuna, er tune. But he probably wouldn't: he's making too much
> $$$ from simple-minded morons. IMHO
1) This could turn into a huge debate. Let's try to avoid that.
2) They grew up. This is what they want to play now. They're like
Metallica in that regard. Like it or dislike it. That's what they feel
like writing.
----> From: "Chris Ptacek" <someone@enteract.com> > Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1702 > > Ummm... really quick... I just wanted to say in regards to click > tracks, you NEED them in the studio (And DT uses them) and they are > helpful live, though generally the thrill of playing live keeps many > people in time.
I completely, 100% disagree with this. If you have the feel among the band, you don't need the click. If you need the click, you don't have the vibe, and you're going to sound lousy anyway.
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> From: Neil Elliott <101352.3261@CompuServe.COM> > Subject: Re: New song Titles > > As I mentioned a few days ago, I have for you, the list of the new song titles, > along with their approximate timings. > > Raise The Knife (11:15)
<drool>
> Where Are You Now (7:15) > Take Away My Pain (6:35) > Anna Lee (6:35) > You or Me (5:55) > Burning My Soul (9:00) > The Way It Used To Be (8:00) > Lines In The Sand (13:40)
<DROOL!!!>
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> From: Jeremy Hyde <tempus@allinux1.alliance.net> > Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1706 > > I see there was reason for Sledge's K-lining. Now, there's a problem with > me being K-lined. I simply didn't do anything to get k-lined. I want to > know who was responsible for having Skadz k-line me. I did nothing. > Earlier when I went to connect, I just about had a goddamn heart-attack. I > thought, why would my friends do this to me... :( There is conspiracy going > on over in IRC-land.
When did this happen? What's up with that? Remember:
K-line means you couldn't get onto the server. Ban means you could log on, but couldn't get into the channel. A ban might have been a one-off, or an accident, or something. But if you were k-lined, I have *no* idea why. Anyone?
------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Digital Man \|/ ____ \|/ Secretary cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu "@'/ ,. \`@" UVM Comp Sci Student Assn d-man@dreamt.org /_| \__/ |_\ "He won't need a bed http://www.emba.uvm.edu/~cmerlo \__U_/ He's a digital man" - Peart
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Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 22:17:11 -0400 (EDT) From: "John R. Kotzian" <koggie@cyberspace.org> To: ytsejam@ax.com (Explore The Boundries) Subject: Rush Tribute Message-ID: <199607230217.WAA25760@grex.cyberspace.org>
Hey,
Well don't I feel Sheepish (Baaaaaaaaah),
I stated here on the 'jam earlier that my contact at Magna Carta assured me that the Rush Trib would be released on July 23rd. Well, the day after I posted that, he called me to tell me that it will be released on August 6th.
To anyone in the Greater Detroit Area: Sam Goody will be carrying the "Working Man" Rush Tribute. I told our district manager about the disc and she's making sure all the stores get at least one in stock.
If they are out come on down to the Laurel Park Mall and get one from me at the Sam Goody there. I've had all the MC Tribs put ionto stock there. Well, later. -- _________________ _ ____________________ (^) (^) <-o->koggie@cyberspace.org is John R. Kotzian<-o-> (v)________________ __ __ ___________________(v)
Album of the week: Toto "Tambu"
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Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 23:06:44 -0400 From: ai292@freenet.carleton.ca (Gordon McFee) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Savatage Message-ID: <199607230306.XAA09284@freenet2.carleton.ca>
>Savatage HOR vs EOT >I prefer HOR more than EOT (barely). Both are great cds but I just >prefer Alex Skolnicks playing on EOT. Of course the song Chance is >incredible on HOR. > >I guess I can thank eMpTyV for getting me into Savatage. Afterall it was >the video Edge of Thorns that I saw on headbanger's ball that forced me >to get the cd... How does Dead Winter Dead compare to the other Savatage stuff? I got it, and it was ok.. decent storyline, hokey ending. Not terribly exciting musically either. Just wondering if some of the other stuff is better.
-- "To seek the sacred river Alph, and walk the caves of ice..." - Rush "Ashes and Diamonds,Foe and Friend/We were all equal in the end." -Pink Floyd "The sands of time were eroded by the river of constant change." - Genesis "Others steal your thoughts they're not confined within your mind"-DreamTheater
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Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 22:14:46 -0500 (CDT) From: Sava Web <savaweb@winternet.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Marty Friedman & GC Message-ID: <199607230314.WAA07732@parka>
'Jammers ,
I forgot to mention a few details....since a few have asked.
> Marty Friedman appeared as a special guest for a recently signed Metal Blade > band called Wardog. As it turns out he and the drummer for Wardog used to be > in a Maryland based band called "Deuce" about 14 years ago. Long before > Cacophony and Hawaii.
Marty played one song that he and the drummer wrote while it "Deuce". It was quite heavy.
> > I asked him about his latest release "True Obsessions" and if and when it will > be released in the US. He said that he was able to get a record deal in Japan, > but has not been able to to so in Europe and the US yet. He is working on > it, and says it is difficult (even for him) to get a contract in the US.
As for Chris's offer. I also bought "True Obsessions" as an import for $35. It was definately worth it. I was hoping I could help others on the Jam by finding out the US release date. I have also taped parts of "True Obsessions" for die hard friedman fans, knowing that when it comes out in the US they will buy it.
Marty also mentioned that when it comes out in the US it will have Bonus tracks on it!!! Damn it!!! Now I have to buy the US release too!!!
Funny that Mike Varney's name should come up. Since Shrapnel was Marty's previous label. I wonder why they didn't pick him up for this last release?? He has done at least 5 records with them!!
> > Check out the "Marty Zone" home page at > > http://sdcc8.ucsd.edu/~dgillen/mz.html >
It was good to hear that Jon Oliva did make it and perform at the ETHYL MERTZ gig.
Did any one boot any of this? if so email me.
nathan bradley savaweb@winternet.com http://www.winternet.com/~savaweb/
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Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 23:30:11 -0400 From: acook@tiac.net (acook) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1707 Message-ID: <199607230330.XAA16940@zork.tiac.net>
>From: Neil Elliott <101352.3261@CompuServe.COM>
> > Raise The Knife (11:15) > Where Are You Now (7:15) > Take Away My Pain (6:35) > Anna Lee (6:35) > You or Me (5:55) > Burning My Soul (9:00) > The Way It Used To Be (8:00) >Lines In The Sand (13:40) > >As you see, over 68 minutes of new material to really whet our appetites! So it >is time to start formulating those theories on their subject matter. Let the >debate begin.............. >
Yes! Sounds very progressive, and veeeerrrrry dark sounding music. Take Away My Pain? Burning My Soul? Hmmm, sounds like the guys are getting something off their chests. This I like. And 5 out of 8 of these songs are over 7 mins long! Two above 11! And is Metropolis part 2 still in the works? I doubt Mike Bahr would lie to us faithful jammers :) I know John P's been playing some very soulful stuff at his clinics that I truly enjoyed, I'd like to see some of that playing on the album. It would be a good "in-your-face" to anybody who thinks he's just another shredder.
Adam Cook acook@tiac.bet visit me at, http://www.tiac.net/users/com (hard hat construction area!)
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Date: Tue, 23 Jul 1996 00:20:25 PST From: nishiki@juno.com (Aaron Silverman) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Faith No More Message-ID: <19960723.003300.3606.7.nishiki@juno.com>
It doesn't surprise me at all that Roddy Bottum left the band. Their guitarist (Jim Martin) quit, and their next album was entirely guitar-oriented, and the keyboards were so low in the mix that to this day I and others I know can't even hear them!
DJKA
PS My personal opinion, for those who might care, is that The Real Thing is their best album in a commercial-style sense, but Angel Dust is their best from a more artistic standpoint. I've never heard anything from their first two albums, or Mr. Bungle, for that matter.
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Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 21:41:53 -0700 From: hawkeye7@ix.netcom.com (Larry Odneal) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: VH, 'Jam RAM cram, & Sam (NDTC) Message-ID: <199607230441.VAA28097@dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com>
Randall Braun wrote:
>IMHO Eddie VH could become a world-class guitarist if he'd loose those >slackers and losers which call themselves his "band".
Whoa! A little harsh there, Randall, dontcha think? I'm not the greatest judge of drummers, but isn't Alex Van Halen considered to be pretty good? And Eddie seems to have done alright playing with his bro' all these years!
Chris Ptacek wrote to "Frank Clark":
>Don't unsubscribe. First off, you can delete the jams after you read >them. Second off, they don't take up RAM. If you are running out of >space on your computer, try deleting a game or two. Jam's shouldn't >take up that much space.
Hmmmm . . . Jams don't take up RAM _OR_ hard drive space on my little 'puter. My (Netcom) mail server stores 'em for me. Isn't that the norm? Dude, tell your Dad to lighten up - you're not using any resources on his system. Tell him some other guy's dad said so (my 15-year-old has dozens of Megadeth messages on the server - don't bother me none.)
Dusty wrote:
>In my own opinion, it's been many years since Van Halen has put out >anything interesting...I'm suprised more jammers don't agree with >this...I prefer David Lee Roth anyday over Sammy...Sammy was really >good on his own, but their music has really turned wimpy since he took >over the vocals for VH...
Jeez, I disagree on almost every point you made. My band used to cover Montrose songs, when Sammy wrote a lot of 'em. Great stuff! Then, I saw VH open for bands like the Doobie Brothers and REO back in '79. I LOVED the band, but never thought DLR was much of a singer. Guess I got used to him - my band did alot of VH covers, and at the same time Sammy was turning out, IMO, mediocre albums. We covered a couple of his songs, too, and for the most part, they were, well, boring. But when Sammy joined VH I thought it was a marriage made in heaven. Sammy seemed to improve immensely, and the band seemed happy to have a serious frontman. I'm sorry to see Sammy go.
NOW - if DLR can change his attitude and still keep his bombast, it might be a good band. That is, IF they keep him - I don't think they've decided yet.
Just my opinion - I respect yours, too.
Sir Reality
. . . still high on DT
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Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 21:53:14 -0700 From: hawkeye7@ix.netcom.com (Larry Odneal) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Almost forgot to make a smartass remark . . . Message-ID: <199607230453.VAA29269@dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com>
Chris Ptacek wrote:
>I play guitar and have 7/8 years of experience.
Wow, Chris - you've been playing for (whips out calculator) . . . 320.25 days (it's a leap year).
Sorry, couldn't resist. BTW, I have 5/16 centuries experience. 8^)
I know, I know - I have underwear older than most of you . . .
Sir Reality
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Date: Tue, 23 Jul 1996 00:59:18 -0400 From: MrAndrom@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Any jammers or Prog Rock bands in Phoenix? Message-ID: <960723005916_439850612@emout12.mail.aol.com>
Re: Nathan Bradley
That sounded like an awsome show. Galactic Cowboys have been here in El Paso,Tx twice this year. Wardog is from El Paso, although I had never seen them play or even heard of them until they signed with Metal Blade. Metal Blade had a show here about a month ago featuring Wardog and a bunch of other local bands. My band tried to audition but we didn't know until the day before the show. Anyway, I will be in Phoenix this Friday and I will be travelling there frequently over the next six months. Could you please E-Mail if you know of any Prog Rock bands performing there? Also, I would appreciate any info and recommendations on your city's rock clubs. I need somewhere to hang out after work. Thanks.
P.S. Has anybody heard anything about Fates Warning (DT's big brother) and their pending CD?
" Enter ivory gates through midnite skies Daylight dreamers in private parades... "
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Date: Tue, 23 Jul 1996 01:05:24 -0400 From: Imxtnit@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Clockwork, Thanks, and mini-DTC Message-ID: <960723010516_582635011@emout09.mail.aol.com>
Hey all,
Last Friday i received *Clockwork -- Weaving Webs of Time* from their drummer Anthony Sciamanna.
1st listen, Friday afternoon: I hear the influences of Shadow Gallery, Fates Warning, and Dream Theater...and i want to listen again.
10th listen, Monday night: I hear only Clockwork...and i want to listen again.
WTG, Anthony, excellent, excellent job. And if your new singer is as good as the rest of the band, then i can't wait for your next recording.
I just wanted to thank all the Jammers who've been giving their recommendations on the treasure trove of new (to me) prog that's out there. So far i've found, and not been disappointed by, Shadow Gallery, echolyn, Ilyvatar, and Marillion. I even rented and saw for the first time A Clockwork Orange. Thanks again everyone, and keep the great recommendations coming!!!
In addition to all these great new additions to my collection, i also got LiT last weekend. I've never seen DT live, so this was a treat. And i must say, i have garnered a new respect for JM...he's awesome!!! BTW, anyone think Portnoy looks, at times and w/o the facial hair, a little like Howard Stern?!? I dunno maybe it's just me :-)
Thanks all and take care, Tim -----------=======================--------- / "I am the way, I am the light, I am the \ / dark inside the night. I hear your hopes, I \ \ feel your dreams, and in the dark I hear / \ your screams." -- Savatage, "Believe" / -----------=======================--------- | IMXTNIT@AOL.COM | =======================
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Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 22:23:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Mithrandir <mithrandir@pb.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Metropolis pt II + Golf clubs Message-ID: <199607230523.WAA15874@mindcrime.ax.com>
Hello there fellow DT fans!!!!!!
Maybe DT has watched too many Mel Brooks movies. Do you all remember a movie called History of the World pt.I that even showed bits of part two? I know he did it as a joke, but I loved the first one so much, I would have loved to have seen a part II Just I magine the intrigue DT would create by not doing Metropolis PT II.
Senor Mojo. Donde esta tu Golf clubs? Mine are in my car, just waiting to be used. Where is my right handed set?
This thought just occured to me. Why don't we have a YTSE-GOLF outing? I'm sure I would clean house on all of you. But seriously it would be fun to have a tournament. Thoughts would be appreciated.
Senor D-Man. Why not leave from Senor MOJO's house? The Manhasset line is quicker than the Montauk line, with less stops. Elen sila lumenn omentilmo, Mithrandir
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Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 22:37:19 -0700 (MST) From: Uncle.Dave@asu.edu To: JAMMER DUDES <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: new cd title Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.960722223214.27227B-100000@general5.asu.edu>
does anyone know the _name_ of the new cd?
btw bygones are bygones
*) ...cyclops smilie! (hehehe)
DON'T LET YOUR BRAIN TAKE A VACATION...IT MIGHT LOOSE ITS LUGGAGE!!!
"She can turn a drop of water into an ocean" ---Dream Theater
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