YTSEJAM Digest 1705
Today's Topics:
1) Re: another puertorican jammer
by Ytse-Kain <kain@caribe.net>
2) sludge
by RipZero <ripzero@dreamt.org>
3) Sledge's post in JAM 1704
by "Matthew A. Schnoor" <schnoor@cs.pdx.edu>
4) Public apology
by Big.Swifty@twav.com
5) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1700
by akyuz@ltp.dmx.epfl.ch
6) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1704
by part@dutccia.tudelft.nl (Gerralt Partiman)
7) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1702
by akyuz@ltp.dmx.epfl.ch
8) jeez
by akyuz@ltp.dmx.epfl.ch
9) Met, Mike C. (the inside scoop), Wasted talent, MushMusic (aka infant emesis)
by rterry@inforamp.net (Rick Terry)
10) Rush Tribute Tomorrow??? (IDTC)
by John Dea <jrdea@novia.net>
11) Hahahaha!
by "Rudy van IJzendoorn" <rudy.van.ijzendoorn@tip.nl>
12) grammar Jam
by Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
13) Uhhh, boo-boo..
by John Mastin <johnny@psa.pencom.com>
14) new cds
by Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
15) Looking for Magna Carta Rush Tribute
by Ryan_Rafaloff@tanagraphics.com (Ryan Rafaloff)
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Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 01:31:33 -0400
From: Ytse-Kain <kain@caribe.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: another puertorican jammer
Message-ID: <31F31235.31C3@caribe.net>
yes daniel. i've been on the jam since christmas i guess. and i'm not
the only one from pr. there's a girl from Rio Piedras (can't remember
her name) and kurt@fgallery.com is also from pr. he's from trujillo
alto. and he's been here longer than i have. you probable noticed cuz we
share the same server :) later!
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Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 00:39:30 -0500 From: RipZero <ripzero@dreamt.org> To: Heavy Metal Computer Nerds <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: sludge Message-ID: <31F31412.676C@dreamt.org>
> I am now fucking K-Lined for playing a joke.. i have no idea >WTF all of your problems are on #ytsejam but i just wanted to say "Why" >why is everyone thinking im an ass.. you gotta remember this is irc not >face to face.. we don't exactly know what the person is really thinking >when they chat.. i just wanna know why the fuck im k-lined.. please get >back to me soon. -Sledge-
oh, when you de-opped everyone in the whole fucking channel... it was just a JOKE man. we know that! and hey, we thought it would be incredibly fucking hilarious if WE K-LINED YOU! come on man, you CANT TAKE A JOKE? you gotta remember you cant piss on someones leg and tell them its raining! (wtf does that mean? hehehee) now the mooing evil cows of guadalahara must come and eat you in your sleep... tiz a shame. ~Rip
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Date: Sun, 21 Jul 1996 22:53:00 -0700 (PDT) From: "Matthew A. Schnoor" <schnoor@cs.pdx.edu> To: Ytsejam List <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Sledge's post in JAM 1704 Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91.960721223305.12441A-100000@sirius.cs.pdx.edu>
Normally I don't respond to flame-bait, but I'll take exception in this case.
Sledge spake thusly: > I am now fucking K-Lined for playing a joke.. i have no idea WTF all > of your problems are on #ytsejam but i just wanted to say "Why" why is > everyone thinking im an ass.. you gotta remember this is irc not face to > face.. we don't exactly know what the person is really thinking when they > chat.. i just wanna know why the fuck im k-lined.. please get back to me > soon.
Nice joke, Sledge. We all thought it was REALLY FUNNY (in fact, hilarious) when you mass-deopped everyone on the channel, Skadz included. What are we supposed to think when someone comes in and abuses their OPS power in the channel?
The reason we think you're an ass is, quite frankly, you were acting like an ass. As my IRC logs read, after you de-opped everyone you said "Now nobody gets OPS until you all obey me." Now if that ain't acting like an ass, I don't know what is.
Regarding your "face to face" vs. "IRC" and "thinking what they chat" point, uhhh, that was just stupid.
I'm not SKADZ and I'm not in power over the IRC server... but my best guess to why you were K-lined (if in fact you were K-lined, not simply banned from the channel) is because you deserved it. The IRC server is something that Skadz set up as a privilege, for people on the JAM to come and converse intelligently. His decision is final, and if he decides to K-line you, I'm all for it.
Your comments (and actions) were just plain inappropriate. I don't object to you returning to the IRC server as long as you can show some semblance of respect for everyone else there, and apologize to everyone on the JAM for your actions.
Skadz, back me up here. ;)
Until then,
[ Matthew A. Schnoor ] [Bolo@ytsejam@irc.dreamt.org:2112] [ schnoor@cs.pdx.edu ] [http://www.cs.pdx.edu/~schnoor/index.html] [ bolo@dreamt.org ] "Daybreak, at the bottom of a lake..."
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Date: 22 Jul 1996 01:28:36 CDT From: Big.Swifty@twav.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Public apology Message-ID: <199607220628.XAA26659@mindcrime.ax.com>
FYI, this regards my previously posted comments on the United Kingdom regarding the film "A Clockwork Orange." Proceed to the next post if you don't care.
First off, I tried to send a personal apology/clarification to Graham, but my server would not cooperate. So here goes....My intent was never to slander the UK. Unfortunately, I sent the post before I read it carefully. Consider this unpatriotic if you must, but I prefer the way that the UK operates in most ways as compared to that of America (replies should be sent to me. I will attempt to retort if you take the time to inquire (take the time? DTC after all!)). I offer my sincerest apologies to Graham B., whoever you are.
Secondly, can anyone give me info on JM's bass? String gauge, pickups, fingerboard wood, anything? Mine just won't sound as FAT while still reproducing the piffy nuances like his will. Maybe my bass just sucks:Þ
Lastly, if anyone would like a copy of my band's tape, then let me know. Our official influences are (were?) Rush, DT, Queensryche, Satriani, Zappa. The band doesn't exist anymore, but I am still as proud of this tape as I could possibly be about anything I could ever do. It's better than listening to the radio. BTW, the Clockwork tape was really good. I look forward to a CD with the new singer. I'd pay money for it :)
Mark Peters - big.swifty@twav.com
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Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 10:45:21 +0200 From: akyuz@ltp.dmx.epfl.ch To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1700 Message-ID: <v02130500ae18ee17e650@[128.178.99.94]>
>yes but theres a difference, those bands use them to enhance the sound >because of their complex music.... i garuantee you if their click broke >they wouldnt fuck up all the songs! white z. on the other hand, needs >the click onstage because they cant even play in fucking time with each >other! see my difference?
I've known bands or musos like that. They sound incredible on disc, but their engineer tells me generally how he had a shit of a time to get them do it right in studio!
><ringringringringringring> >"Hello?..." >"ccccccchfkjdshafjhfdsljhdskfmindcrime <click>" > > ~Rip
are you sure it's a "ljhdskf" and not a "ljhdsksf"?? :-)
Ernie wrote: >In other news, I finally got a listen to Fates Warning. It was "No >Exit"; is that one of their better CD 's? I can see where they come
P A R A L L E L S !
>from, though. They have a "Warning"-era QR vibe to them...especially >the singing and the production...and a couple o riffs here and there.
Oh yeah, just a couple...
> The Golden Rule of Flaming (sent twice, BTW)
The Golden Rule of Ytse-Jamming:
avoid sending same post twice, because it pisses people off.
........................................................................ D A V E K I N G vox & bass MT-20
"holding on is easier than letting go" (fw)
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Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 10:06:20 +0200 From: part@dutccia.tudelft.nl (Gerralt Partiman) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1704 Message-ID: <9607220806.AA04736@dutccia.tudelft.nl>
Anyone knows a DT-channel on IRC? Thanks, GErralt.
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Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 11:53:07 +0200 From: akyuz@ltp.dmx.epfl.ch To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1702 Message-ID: <v02130501ae18f182b3e1@[128.178.99.18]>
>This sounds like a great idea. I volunteer to sing any song that people >want to do. <Of course, the singer's job is easy since it's so easy to >"learn" a song that you've been listening to for years.> How would we
BS. Ever been in a studio? When it takes you 5 hrs (that's the case with every singer I talked to) to pull off each song because everyone's being picky and shit, you understand why singers get the attention.
>pull it off, though? Mail multi-track tapes all over the country? :) >Find a studio in a central location? Hmmmm...
Sorry but am I the only European interested in this?
>"I'm lying here in bed..." --Voices >"I was blinded by a paradise..." --ACoS >"...it calms me to know that I won't." --Scarred >"Woah...woah...WOOOOAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!" --Learning to Live
Another fave is the way he pronounces "them" and "again" on PMU. He puts a sort of closed muted end.
>If you like Handful of Rain, get the previous album, Edge of Thorns. Most >people I've spoken to prefer it to HOR - the vocals are, IMO, much better.
True for me, also. Musically, it's more compact, too.
>> P.S. Does savatage rhyme with sabotage? >> >Yes, I think so.
With SELF-sabotage.
>well all they want to do is recreate everything as close to thier recording as >possible! I am not sure about White Zombie but Queensryche has to perform to >the click or thier back drop (huge screens) would not sinc up with them, so in >order to put on the best show possible Scott Rockenfield needs to listen to >the click to insure the show looks right! I think its incredible that they >can still keep that going throughout the night , yet another talent of >Queensryche, to me shows that these people are superb musicians!
BTW, playing on a click is more difficult and requires more musicianship than playing without one.
>back to Dream Theater you know, i have wondered about their use of >sequences....ever watch the video Images and Words Live in Tokyo?? in the >middle of Fortune in Lies, when mike portnoy is doing the snare drum solo, >with john keeping up on guitar Rather Fast, the lights go out and they are >supossibly playing but i really think that what you are hearing is actually a >sequence????? I dont know but i am real suspicious, and i dont blame them if >it is...lol we all know that they can use a little relief from all that
are you referring to the Pantera sample??!
Back to the DTribute: >Hey folks! > I couldn't help overhearing about this idea of recording a DT tribute. >Great idea! Whoever came up with that is a genius in my book. In fact, I
If we want to go further with this, we definitely have to get a ytse-jury going. How the hell do we organize this? any ideas?
>I'd rather see a summer Monsters of Prog tour. :)
Y E A H ! ! !
........................................................................ D A V E K I N G vox & bass MT-20
"holding on is easier than letting go" (fw)
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Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 12:11:02 +0200 From: akyuz@ltp.dmx.epfl.ch To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: jeez Message-ID: <v02130500ae19023aa178@[128.178.99.18]>
>> If ANYONE thinks this is a good idea, please say so. I especially >>want to >>sing on "To Live Forever", so this would be a "Dream" come true, and I >>think not only for me!! > > Grrrrrrrrr!!! Hey!!!! I already called that one!! :) >Okay, you can have it, but I get Voices.
H O W T H E H E L L A R E W E G O N N A F I G U R E T H I S O U T ?
>I was wondering if Metropolis Part 2 will still be on the new >ablum...Everytime I see a list of titles on the net, it never mentions >Metropolis, so I was just wondering....Take Care....dusty
should.
>I think it should be "KYJM". Though that does kind of have >a sick connotation, if you know what I mean...
Sorry but I've always wondered why all the stations start with a K or W, etc. Could anyone enlighten me on this?
Sledge: > I am now fucking K-Lined for playing a joke.. i have no idea WTF all >of your problems are on #ytsejam but i just wanted to say "Why" why is >everyone thinking im an ass.. you gotta remember this is irc not face to
Be nice to people, and people will be nice to you.
........................................................................ D A V E K I N G vox & bass MT-20
"holding on is easier than letting go" (fw)
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Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 11:58:47 GMT From: rterry@inforamp.net (Rick Terry) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Met, Mike C. (the inside scoop), Wasted talent, MushMusic (aka infant emesis) Message-ID: <31f36830.652509@mail.inforamp.net>
Hi Jammers,
>Date: Sun, 21 Jul 1996 12:39:39 -0700 >From: hawkeye7@ix.netcom.com (Larry Odneal)
>ROTFLOL! These are hilarious, Rick! Well, most of 'em, anyway! ;^)
Glad you enjoyed them! :)
>Michael C. is back, with a new name! > >Just kidding, Rick! And if you don't know Michael C., consider >yourself lucky!
I can't say I remember that one. You can e-mail me the histrionics past encounters with him though. ;)
>I agree with everything you said about drugs in the music biz; I've >seen it myself. Very talented musicians who went completely in the >shitter. What a waste . . .
Yup. Truly tragic. If some people would dedicate the same amount of time to life that they do to their music, both would last longer.
>Date: Sun, 21 Jul 1996 21:31:51 -0400 >From: jestok@interlog.com (Mike Estok) >To: ytsejam@ax.com >Subject: To anyone who gets Muchmusic >Message-ID: <199607220130.VAA18565@gold.interlog.com> > > I just heard about MuchMusic's new contest and it is damn interesting. > > It is open to any Canadian. You have to find any three videos that >they play in a row and write them down. THe videos must, in your opinion, >complement each other well. > > The winner picked by the station gets to be a PRODUCER FOR A DAY!!! >You can program the entire music video department for one whole day!!!!!
Only for a day? It'll take a lot longer than that to turn that station around! ;) Ok, I'm going to submit the info via e-mail. I think we'll be looking at a little DT, some Ryche and some Rush. That would be my equivalent of a health drink. :)
> Now, I think it would be incredibly cool if a 'jammer won this. >Just think, nothing but prog and metal all day long. Wow, this makes me shiver.
I bet it would make Moses Znaimer shiver too! (the pencil necked geek)
> Michelob > > The handle that goes down smooth, with no aftertaste.
Bravo!! Nice finale!
Cheers,
Rick Toronto
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Date: Mon, 22 Jul 96 07:25:33 -0500 From: John Dea <jrdea@novia.net> To: "~YTSEJAM" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Rush Tribute Tomorrow??? (IDTC) Message-ID: <199607221224.HAA25851@oasis.novia.net>
Hi. What's this about the Rush tribute coming out tomorrow? I remember = that *used* to be the release date, but according to various info on = TNMS, it's not gonna be released until 6 Aug. What the heck, I'll = look for it tomorrow, though I'm not expecting it for two more weeks.
Indirect DTC: Some of 'em are playing on that album (as we all = already know, but I had to throw in *something* (-8 ).
Later, John
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Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 11:58:34 +0200 From: "Rudy van IJzendoorn" <rudy.van.ijzendoorn@tip.nl> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Hahahaha! Message-ID: <m0uiKVY-000DoFC@parijs.tip.nl>
Hey jammin' friends (ooh I'm so friendly today),
Sledge: K-Lined? hehehe, was that AFTER a lot of people on IRC kicked yer butt? Sorry but I find this quite amusing... hehehe At least you got a end of jam with it.
James LaBrie sounding like Rob Zombie:
WOW! Now that you mention it, he does have a certain resemblance to Rob Zombie. NOT!
Bio's in pIRCh:
I'm making mine already, if any other IRC'ers are doing this be sure to have a scanned picture of yourself in it. That would be great.
I won't fill up the jam anymore with my annoying talk... see (some of) you guys on #Ytsejam.
Rudy
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'And I'll never be open again....' (Dream Theater) Under A Cyber Moon Website http://www1.tip.nl/users/t198275 rudy.van.ijzendoorn@tip.nl judas@worldaccess.nl judas@dreamt.org
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Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 09:12:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com> To: Dream Theater Mailing List <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: grammar Jam Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.960722091124.17166A-100000@bdmserver>
From: Ben Laussade <laussade@enet.net>
>>"Obviously you made the right career choice, that's why you are playing to >>15 people who could care less about your band." > >It's COULDN'T care less. COULDN'T!!!!!!!
since when did the Ytsejam become the Grammarjam?
|-----------------------------------------------------------------------| | Pat Daugherty pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com | |=======================================================================| | "Every breath leaves me one less to my last" --Dream Theater | | "That is not an option, Mr. Mulder" --X-Files | |-----------------------------------------------------------------------| |The Baltimore Orioles-The team to beat in 1996!!!!!!! | Go DC United! | |-----------------------------------------------------------------------|
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Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 08:13:18 -0500 (CDT) From: John Mastin <johnny@psa.pencom.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Uhhh, boo-boo.. Message-ID: <199607221313.IAA27004@psa.pencom.com>
Someone wrote: > Oh, and if I need DT content, I can't wait to get > to NYC so I can go to shows like Old Bridge and Birch Hill. > Uhhh, dude, take your time on getting here. Old Bridge and Birch Hill are the same place. :D Birch Hill Nightclub is in Old Bridge, NJ. I think you meant Malibu and Birch Hill. ;-) And then there's Hammerjacks in Baltimore...
Looks like we have another attendee for the next YtseCon! Welcome to the Right-hand Coast!
I know that I haven't been keeping up with the Jams lately (busy as all get out with work.) but there was news of JP doing a guitar clinic in NYC sometime in July. Did it already happen (and I am behind the times) or is it still to come?
Trying to get back into the swing of things that are important, ;-)
Johnny Motown
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Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 09:47:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com> To: Dream Theater Mailing List <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: new cds Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.960722093507.17166C-100000@bdmserver>
Merlo Man on the Rush tribute: >You know, some people just aggravate me. I went to a Strawberries about >a week ago, and asked the guy about the trib and about Magna Carta in >general. He went into the back, and came out saying, "Yup. We're going >to have it. Definitely." A friend of mine goes in a few days later, and >gets the response "Who?" I'm probably just going to wind up >mail-ordering it. > >Bastards.
I've found that record stores really suck and the only way to get cds from no name labels is via mail order...
New cds that I've gotten in the last week:
Rush-Critical Mass:Another excellent production by Mike Bahr. I've only listened to the first cd (#37 BTW) and it is excellent quality. CM is about 500x as good as the Counterparts boot Northern Heroes...
Jethro Tull Tribute album-Another Magna Carta release. This is basically a smorgabord of musicians consisting of: Derek Sherinian (of DT) who plays keys on one song and shares duties with Robert Berry on another, John Wetton, Robby Steinhardt (Kansas) sings and does violins on one song, Ray Mazerank (sp, from the Doors), Glenn Hughes, Mike Varney (anyone know who this guy is, I've seen the name and can't recall where)+others. Groups that perform on this cd: Magellan does one instrumental song and an interesting version of Aqualung, Echolyn, and Tempest. I though it interesting that Shadow Gallery wasn't on this...
Deep Purple-Purpendicular This cd is great. Steve Morse adds a lot to the band.
Threshold-Wounded Land Another great cd. This has the first singer for Threshold and he is not bad at all. I cannot decide who is better, the old singer or the current singer. Definitely not like night and day as with DT (Labrie and Dominici) or Fates (Alder and Arch).
Kansas-song for America Not really new but new for me. If you like Kansas, you'll like this one. Especially since it was only 6.99 at Best Buy, unfortunately the only 6.99 cd in the Kansas section...
|-----------------------------------------------------------------------| | Pat Daugherty pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com | |=======================================================================| | "Every breath leaves me one less to my last" --Dream Theater | | "That is not an option, Mr. Mulder" --X-Files | |-----------------------------------------------------------------------| |The Baltimore Orioles-The team to beat in 1996!!!!!!! | Go DC United! | |-----------------------------------------------------------------------|
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Date: Mon, 22 Jul 96 10:13:16 -0500 From: Ryan_Rafaloff@tanagraphics.com (Ryan Rafaloff) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Looking for Magna Carta Rush Tribute Message-ID: <138777.ensmtp@tanagraphics.com>
Hey all,
Since it seems that people are having trouble getting a straight answer from various record stores, reguarding this project. Therefore, it is in my best interest to mail order it as well (as well as many other people). Could one of the 'jammers let me know where I can send for it? Or perhaps someone on the list is selling the CD's themselves.......Thanks
Rock On,
-Raf "Nothing is sacred, you draw the bottom line with a $" -- 'Status Seeker' - Dream Theater
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