YTSEJAM Digest 1702
Today's Topics:
1) Ytsejam DT tribute
by zebrowski steven <szebro1@gl.umbc.edu>
2) Ethyl Mertz
by "Frank Benenati" <mojonet@pb.net>
3) Rush - Test For Echo - Press Release.
by Neil Elliott <101352.3261@CompuServe.COM>
4) Re: a few observations
by Andrew Berry <andrew@aberry.demon.co.uk>
5) attn: Long Island Jammers...
by UMJG72D@prodigy.com (MS ANNA M STIGLIC)
6) Faith No More
by jforte@acl.nyit.edu (Chambers)
7) RE: YTSEJAM digest 1700
by "call me Joey The Axe Man" <IBANEZ_MAN@msn.com>
8) Yeeeehaw!
by Michael Bahr <durnik@indirect.com>
9) cows n stuff
by RipZero <ripzero@dreamt.org>
10) The 'jam's tribute to DT!!!
by Jacques Ferland <sebsammy@generation.net>
11) soundgarden live
by mike olekshy <mmo@direct.ca>
12) That Pantera guy
by "Scott R. Daugherty" <srdaugz2@homer.louisville.edu>
13) tsa sui
by Pat Sullivan <psull@ici.net>
14) hi
by "Ryan P. Skadberg" <skadberg@wicked.stigmata.org>
15) Phil, Back From The Dead <NDTC>
by Scotchman@aol.com
16) phil anselmo (ndtc)
by matt rosin <grosin@mailbox.neosoft.com>
17) apology
by Partha Mukhopadhyay <ahtrap@umich.edu>
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Date: Sat, 20 Jul 1996 00:46:00 -0400 (EDT)
From: zebrowski steven <szebro1@gl.umbc.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Ytsejam DT tribute
Message-ID: <199607200446.AAA21855@umbc8.umbc.edu>
This sounds like a great idea. I volunteer to sing any song that people
want to do. <Of course, the singer's job is easy since it's so easy to
"learn" a song that you've been listening to for years.> How would we
pull it off, though? Mail multi-track tapes all over the country? :)
Find a studio in a central location? Hmmmm...
About Ray Alder live: He's very inconsistent. He'll sing one line just
fine, but the next one will be soooooo out of tune. He always seems to be
out of breath, too. That, no doubt, is due to his dynamic stage antics.
Hell of a range though.
About James on Surrounded: That's good, but IMO it's easier to sing like
that than it is to really wail. <I don't really mean "wail," but...> Here
are some of my favorite James moments:
"I'm lying here in bed..." --Voices
"I was blinded by a paradise..." --ACoS
"...it calms me to know that I won't." --Scarred
"Woah...woah...WOOOOAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!" --Learning to Live
See ya!
Steve Z
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Date: Sat, 20 Jul 1996 01:48:51 -0400
From: "Frank Benenati" <mojonet@pb.net>
To: "ytsejam@ax.com" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Ethyl Mertz
Message-ID: <199607200551.WAA23469@mindcrime.ax.com>
Hey Jammers...
I just got back from seeing Ethyl Mertz at Peoples....
great show....Derek gave me a message.....
He wants all of you to know that the album is almost completely
written....they are still looking for a producer....and they are itching
to get out and play for us....and to keep posted...
(I forgot to ask him about the Con.....but I'm sure Jeff has that one
covered!)
Anway...talk to ya'll l8r....
M O J O M A N !!!!
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Date: 20 Jul 96 03:14:31 EDT
From: Neil Elliott <101352.3261@CompuServe.COM>
To: jam <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Rush - Test For Echo - Press Release.
Message-ID: <960720071430_101352.3261_JHP57-1@CompuServe.COM>
Just received this press release on the new Rush album.
DATE: 19/07/96 17:04
RE: Rush - Test For Echo - Press Release.
RUSH, Test for Echo - Fact Sheet
- Geddy Lee. bass guitar, vocals, synthesisers
- Alex Lifeson: electric and acoustic guitars, mandola
- Neil Peart: drums, cymbals, hammer dulcimer
Track Listing:
1) Test for Echo
2) Dog Years
3) Half the World
4) Colour of Right
5) Driven
6) Totem
7) Time & Motion
8) Resist
9) Virtually
10) Limbo
11) Carve Away the Stone
-Produced by Peter Collins (Jewel, Bon Jovi Suicidal Tendencies) and Rush
-Engineered by Clif Norrell (Jeff Buckley, REM, Paul Westerberg)
-Mixed by Andy Wallace (Rage Against the Machine, Bad Religion, Sonic
Youth, Alice in Chains)
-Recorded at New York's Bearsville Studios, Toronto's Reaction and
McClear Place studios,
-The twentieth studio album by the band over their twenty-two year
career, RUSH has sold over thirty-five million records worldwide, with
seven gold certifications, thirteen platinum, one double platinum and
one quadruple platinum in the U. S. alone.
-Release Date: September 3/96
-Lead Single: "Test for Echo"
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Neil Elliott
Director - DTIFC
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P.S. New DT song info will appear here VERY soon, may even be
on this jam!!!
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Date: Sat, 20 Jul 1996 08:31:21 +0000 (GMT)
From: Andrew Berry <andrew@aberry.demon.co.uk>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: a few observations
Message-ID: <Marcel-0.99-0720083121-0b0W1kb@aberry.demon.co.uk>
On Fri 19 Jul, LRW wrote:
> [snip] I also got Savatage's Handful of Rain. I =
> was quite impressed with it at first listen. The musicianship is =
> wonderful. However, the more I listen to it the more I realize how =
> spoiled I am listening to KJ Labrie. The vocalist has a nasty tendency =
> to be sharp or flat on half the notes. I would definately recommend it =
> though.
[snip]
If you like Handful of Rain, get the previous album, Edge of Thorns. Most
people I've spoken to prefer it to HOR - the vocals are, IMO, much better.
>
> P.S. Does savatage rhyme with sabotage?
>
Yes, I think so.
-- +-----Andrew Berry---------------------------------------------------------+ | "You're waiting for tomorrow, well tomorrow never comes. | | Ha, you're waiting for your new dawn, so sad to say there isn't one. | +- Because (you fools) tomorrow belongs to nobody." - Carcass ------------+------------------------------
Date: Sat, 20 Jul 1996 12:04:55, -0500 From: UMJG72D@prodigy.com (MS ANNA M STIGLIC) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: attn: Long Island Jammers... Message-ID: <199607201604.MAA17834@mime4.prodigy.com>
okay, um...i THINK i sent this to the jam already, but i sure as hell don't remember reading it, so i'll post it again for the benefit of the band involved... my friend brian (fellow DT fan) met a guy from a metal group named Sonipath. he said they're really good, and more metal than progressive, but in a few of their songs they show some progressive roots. he's gone to i think two of their rehearsals, in Rockville Center, and tells me that they rehearse in the same basement (get this) that DT practiced in way back when! (of course he flipped out when he discovered this, and freaked out the band when he started touching the walls...) but anyway, he wanted me to post this stuff about the band because they're gonna be recording soon... the # for band info is 764-7237, and you can e-mail them at Sonipath13@aol.com they're playing two shows soon... July 24th @ AI (2015 New Highway, Melville, NY) the # there is 753- 2040. July 26th @ Slam (323 Main St., Farmingdale, NY) the # there is 845- 5387. both shows start at 11pm...if anyone plans on going to either of them LET ME KNOW cuz i live in Farmingdale and both venues are within walking distance of where i live. of course, i don't know if i can go, but it'd be cool to know that a few jammers were in my neck o' the woods. :)
____ "...the weasel squeaks faster than a seven day week..." - Tori Amos, Marianne
"...every road leads back to my door, every road i will follow, every road leads back to my door, got all your lines crossed..." - Tori Amos, In The Springtime of His Voodoo
Anna:-)
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Date: Sat, 20 Jul 1996 12:26:43 -0400 From: jforte@acl.nyit.edu (Chambers) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Faith No More Message-ID: <96072012264183@acl.nyit.edu>
Being a fairly big FNM fan I though I would give my .02 on this topic, Ill start at the Mike Patton era since I dont know much about any of the stuff that came before.
The Real Thing: This is an amazing album. I agree witht he person who said that it wouldnt have been concidered a pop album at the time it was released. That one song just caught on. I like Patton's voice on this album and I have been somewhat dissappointed that he hasnt sounded the same since. I think the album should have had a thicker bass sound, but that doesnt detract from the greatness of this record. "The Real Thing" is a great track.
Angel Dust: Mike Pattons influence on the band is felt at its most here. This album is really dark and I didnt like it when I first heard it, but it has grown on me and I think it is a great album. Lyrically it is more in the style of Mr. Bungle...and even at some points musically. Its fairly obvious that Patton was given a good deal of say when it came to the writing of this album. "Jizzlobber" fucking rules!
King for a Day, Fool for a Lifetime: This album is more straightforward rock. A major disappointment was the lack of keyboards on many of the tracks. This record was less radical than Angel Dust, and not as dark. Personally, I didnt care for this album, it didnt seem very focused and didnt have the quality that I would have expected from FNM. I wound up trading the CD to a friend after a while. WHat probably happened was that the band wanted to sell more records(Angel Dust sales were disappointing), but didnt want to write a very pop like album. Hopefully the next record will be more focused.
Just to be safe Ill say that all the above is my opinion.
Later:
******************************************************************************** Chambers jforte@acl.nyit.edu
"Hope is epidemic, optimism spreads, bitterness breeds irritation, ignorance breeds imitation" --Rush ********************************************************************************
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Date: Sat, 20 Jul 96 17:11:31 UT From: "call me Joey The Axe Man" <IBANEZ_MAN@msn.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: RE: YTSEJAM digest 1700 Message-ID: <UPMAIL04.199607201711070833@msn.com>
I noticed some idividuals giving Queensryche and White Zombie a hard time because they use clicks, and sequences, samplers and the like....
well all they want to do is recreate everything as close to thier recording as possible! I am not sure about White Zombie but Queensryche has to perform to the click or thier back drop (huge screens) would not sinc up with them, so in order to put on the best show possible Scott Rockenfield needs to listen to the click to insure the show looks right! I think its incredible that they can still keep that going throughout the night , yet another talent of Queensryche, to me shows that these people are superb musicians!
back to Dream Theater you know, i have wondered about their use of sequences....ever watch the video Images and Words Live in Tokyo?? in the middle of Fortune in Lies, when mike portnoy is doing the snare drum solo, with john keeping up on guitar Rather Fast, the lights go out and they are supossibly playing but i really think that what you are hearing is actually a sequence????? I dont know but i am real suspicious, and i dont blame them if it is...lol we all know that they can use a little relief from all that performing and playing!
So what if they use a little help here and there? you know it is virtually impossible to recreate everything on the album without using some sequences, and samples....so would you rather they left out all that than use the samples? I think it shows more talent the ability to insert them and perform with a computer that is not going to adjust for your mistakes like another musician can...??? did you ever think of that??? well enough of the long talk...hope you all give em a break!
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Date: Sat, 20 Jul 1996 10:21:11 -0700 (MST) From: Michael Bahr <durnik@indirect.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Yeeeehaw! Message-ID: <199607201721.KAA25286@bud.indirect.com>
Looks like the early reviews on Critical Mass are... well... rather positive! :)
I've got 170 unreserved copies remaining, for any who are interested. It looks like people on alt.music.rush have picked up the pace in ordering as well as you Jammers.
I'm off to a huge Magic: The Gathering tournament in about half an hour, me and all my buddies are Team Ytsejam! I've got the Ytsejam shirt, the neck charm, the DT headscarf-thingy (I forget what these are called) and some really kick ass play decks goin' in. Here's hopin' for that $1000 grand prize!! :)
- voluntas vincit omnia - Mike Bahr - durnik@indirect.com -
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Date: Sat, 20 Jul 1996 12:54:43 -0500 From: RipZero <ripzero@dreamt.org> To: Heavy Metal Computer Nerds <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: cows n stuff Message-ID: <31F11D63.30EA@dreamt.org>
no cows here...........hehehehehehehehehee
yeah, i've also heard phil anselmo was dead for 4-5 minutes from a drug overdose and they brought him back. Good. I wonder what his outlook on shooting up is now?
i was visitor #666 on superiors page. it was cool :)
~Rip
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Date: Sat, 20 Jul 1996 13:47:46 -0400 From: Jacques Ferland <sebsammy@generation.net> To: "'Ytsejam Mailing List'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Cc: "'Sebastien Ferland'" <sebsammy@generation.net> Subject: The 'jam's tribute to DT!!! Message-ID: <01BB7642.19546120@portA47.Generation.NET>
Hey folks! I couldn't help overhearing about this idea of recording a DT tribute. Great idea! Whoever came up with that is a genius in my book. In fact, I might have another idea to go with it. This august I'm starting courses in sound engineering and conception at a private school up in downtown Montreal. The school's name is Trebas Institute, you might have heard about it before (that's where Dave Mustaine of Megadeth went for his engineering courses too). Anyways, I'm in a band, and my guitarist is a grad from there. Here's the kicker: from now on, whenever we want to rent Trebas's studio (which is of Internatonal standards BTW), instead of paying 100$/hr, we get a rate of...(drum roll) 35$/hr!!! And since he's got his diploma, he can even engineer the production. I guess a lot of you must be trained for it too, so whoever can, please step forward. This could be great for all the 'jam's musicians, because of the exposure. Hell, I could even sell them, too, since I work in a music store! Can you Imagine this? National distribution!...of course, provided we get the mass production, that everybody has some green to put in, and that I'm not having delusions of grandeur. If ANYONE thinks this is a good idea, please say so. I especially want to sing on "To Live Forever", so this would be a "Dream" come true, and I think not only for me!!
Get 'jammin, y'all, Seb
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Date: Sat, 20 Jul 1996 11:20:55 -0700 From: mike olekshy <mmo@direct.ca> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: soundgarden live Message-ID: <96Jul20.112100-0700pdt.29378-1023+373@orb.direct.ca>
> I was >thouroughly unimpressed with Soundgarden. Their lack of stage presence and >Chris Cornell's general ignorance of the audience in the venue that made them >faamous was only slightly less offputting than when the bass player started >cussing off the audience for no apparent reason at all. I think Soundgarden >needs to realize that without Lollapalooza they may not be as famous as they >are.
I was a big fan of soundgarden till i saw them live. boy do they ever suck. no stage presence - no intensity - i lost all respect for them after seeing them. they look like they just go through the motions on stage.
mmo
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Date: Sat, 20 Jul 1996 14:31:04 -0500 (EDT) From: "Scott R. Daugherty" <srdaugz2@homer.louisville.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: That Pantera guy Message-ID: <199607201831.OAA05109@homer.louisville.edu>
Howdy-
I saw a blip on MTV about that guy OD-ing. Apparently he shot himself up with heroine. Next thing he knew he woke up in the back of an ambulance. But in his words he's "not a heroine addict, just an IV drug addict." Hmm, that still doesn't take him off my pathetic human being list.
Is it really that hard to say no to drugs!?!?
Scott Daugherty
*** Come to this prog thing in Louisville with French TV and Boud Deun!!!! *** *** Mail me for details! - srdaugz2@homer.louisville.edu
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Date: Sat, 20 Jul 1996 14:47:10 -0400 From: Pat Sullivan <psull@ici.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: tsa sui Message-ID: <2.2.32.19960720184710.0068da94@ici.net>
><ringringringringringring> >"Hello?..." >"ccccccchfkjdshafjhfdsljhdskfmindcrime <click>"
I don't think I've ever seen that particular riff spelled out before. Thank you. :)
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> No Rush content here but I thought some people might need this. > ______________________________ > > The Golden Rule of Flaming
Eek...saw it the first time, was funny. Second time, not quite so funny - but then, I already knew all the jokes.
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>Hey, Metallica headlines Lollapalooza this summer. Maybe that will open some >doors <and hopefully some MINDS> and we may see a Dream Theater Lollapalooza. >Who knows? :)
I'm not exactly sure why, but this idea really rubs me the wrong way. Don't get me wrong, it's not that I want to keep DT "underground", it's just that somehow this doesn't seem like the best possible showcase.
I'd rather see a summer Monsters of Prog tour. :)
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________Pat Sullivan__________________________________ E-mail: psull@ici.net WWW: http://www.ici.net/cust_pages/psull/psull.html IRC: DDictator Aliens: 3rd rock from Sol (the blue one)
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Date: Sat, 20 Jul 1996 15:34:37 -0400 From: "Ryan P. Skadberg" <skadberg@wicked.stigmata.org> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: hi Message-ID: <199607201934.PAA09842@wicked.stigmata.org>
just testing stuff
skadz
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Date: Sat, 20 Jul 1996 15:42:26 -0400 From: Scotchman@aol.com To: Das Boot <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Phil, Back From The Dead <NDTC> Message-ID: <960720154225_160510306@emout18.mail.aol.com>
Dusty Vestal writes:
> Jammers: > I heard on my radio station here in Colorado Springs(KILO) that Phil > from Pantera OD'ed for 5 minutes and was brought back...They were > unsure at the time what drug it was. Did anyone else here this???
You heard right. This is from the Pantera Digest, taken from MTV News.
From: PANTERAHEL@aol.com Date: Fri, 19 Jul 1996 04:27:13 -0400 Subject: Mouth4War: PHIL OVERDOSED
Directly From MTV News Online on AOL about Phil's overdose to clear up anybody's questions. Thanks, PANTERAHEL
Pantera singer Phil Anselmo died of a heroin overdose last Saturday, but then, according to him, came back from the dead, and has kept right on touring. This latest rock O.D. incident, coming one day after the heroin-overdose death of Smashing Pumpkins tour keyboardist, Jonathan Melvoin, took place after a Pantera concert in Dallas, at the Starplex Ampitheatre.
After repeated calls to his label and management from MTV News, Anselmo himself released a statement in which he said, "I injected a lethal dose of heroin into my arm, and died for four to five minutes. There was no lights, no beautiful music, just nothing. And then, after 20 minutes (from what I heard later), my friends slapped me and poured water over my head, all basically trying to revive me. The paramedics finally arrived and all I remember is waking up in the back of an ambulance. From that point all I knew all I wanted was to be back on the tour bus going to the next gig. Instead I was going to the hospital where I was released very shortly." Anselmo was taken to Baylor Medical Center, and released shortly thereafter. "You see, I am not a heroin addict," he emphasizes in his statement, "but I am (was) an intravenous drug abuser.
The lesson learned here is that every nightmare ever heard about O.D.-ing and/or heroin is terribly true." The moral of the story, in Anselmo's words, "I will not die so easily. I'm here to piss off the music press for a long time to come."
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I was at that Dallas show, and it kicked ass, by the way. But I had no idea that this thing had happened until I read it on the Pantera list. Kind of sobering. All these people on the Pantera list are like shocked because we'd all assumed Phil was a pothead, no big deal, but we figured he'd be a little stronger than to be doing smack...
Scott.
"WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA" -- Philip Anselmo, "The Great Southern Trendkill"
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Date: Sat, 20 Jul 1996 15:15:10 -0500 From: matt rosin <grosin@mailbox.neosoft.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: phil anselmo (ndtc) Message-ID: <2.2.32.19960720201510.00684378@mailbox.neosoft.com>
dusty asked about phil's OD.
phil overdosed on heroin and legally died for 4-5 minutes and was brought back to life by paramedics. he's one lucky son of a bitch. he's quoted as saying that he's not an addict, but that he is an abuser of intravenous drugs. maybe this will open his eyes a little. but, even though i love pantera, i suspect he'll, at best, just find something else to abuse.
later, folks. matt.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ m a t t r o s i n | grosin@mailbox.neosoft.com S U R R E A L I T Y | SURREALITY II dark ethereal music | AVAILABLE NOW ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://http.tamu.edu:8000/~msr7146/imagescape/
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Date: Sat, 20 Jul 1996 16:31:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Partha Mukhopadhyay <ahtrap@umich.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: apology Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.960720161625.4306B-100000@gorf.rs.itd.umich.edu>
For most of you, sorry about bandwidth waste (and can someone explain the concept of bandwidth to me clearly?) but I neede to put this on open forum
This is a copy of an apology i sent Brian Cox LAST TUESDAY, just making it public and making sure he sees it, since he's probably been too busy to acknowledge it, and making it clear I didn't blow him off.....a third party evidently believes that a lack of public (on-jam) communication=total lack of communication In summary: I fucked up making the comment I did, I don't know of BC's trading rep, expect for the fact I surely appreciated the Birch Hill tape tree efforts.....
---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Partha Mukhopadhyay <ahtrap@umich.edu> To: Brian Cox <lerxst@metronet.com> about the below, the comment grew out of seeing pat d. start up again about al balkiewicz, and remembering paul cashman mention his unreceived tapes.....my utmost apologies, it was nothing personal, just a part a generalized "hey everybody, complete your trades so others stop bitching about them" mood on my part..... > 3) i wonder if brian cox is road tripping through any town > where HE owes tapes? (Was that you, Pell?) about the next part, I am not omniscient, did not know about your father, but I hope he recovers well and quickly > for those of you that havent heard from me in the last couple of > weeks, i am back. my dad had a quadruple bypass after his heart attack, > and was released from the hospital on saturday. and about this last part, this dude was one that roundly praised your birch hill efforts, thanked you at every turn, and had tried to sign up for the second tape tree before you decided to not go through with it, so i resent that comment, even while realizing it's a generalization..... > this dude is another of the many reasons none of those other xmas > shows got tape treed..... if you want, i'll echo these comment publicly (to the jam), just mention it
partha mukhopadhyay
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