YTSEJAM digest 1700

From: ytsejam@ax.com
Date: Sat Jul 20 1996 - 12:01:25 EDT

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    Today's Topics:

      1) Conception (NDTC)
     by Andreas Kasper <KASPER@pc-aak.chemie.uni-mainz.de>
      2) blah!
     by akyuz@ltp.dmx.epfl.ch
      3) RE: YTSEJAM digest 1699
     by Leinonen Juha <Juha.Leinonen@birdy22.utaj.fi>
      4) more trading
     by Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
      5) broken styx?
     by Partha Mukhopadhyay <ahtrap@umich.edu>
      6) I have a Winter Rose boot
     by michael.bradley@mail.cc.trincoll.edu (Michael Bradley)
      7) Mike Bahr's cd update
     by Jay Runde <jrunde@glenqcy.glenayre.com>
      8) Flaming Rules/no Rush content
     by "Donald Dintaman" <Donald.Dintaman@nmb.norwest.com>
      9) more on zzzoooommmmmbbbbbbiiieeeee
     by RipZero <ripzero@dreamt.org>
     10) Ernie says hi
     by schnack@wchd18.chemie.uni-wuerzburg.de
     11) Blah ...
     by "Ryan P. Skadberg" <skadberg@wicked.stigmata.org>
     12) a few observations
     by LRW <sir@micron.net>
     13) Re: love it or shove it
     by Jon Parmet <jonp@mailstorm.dot.gov>
     14) Flaming Rules/no Rush content
     by "Donald Dintaman" <Donald.Dintaman@nmb.norwest.com>

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    Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 11:12:37 GMT+100
    From: Andreas Kasper <KASPER@pc-aak.chemie.uni-mainz.de>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Conception (NDTC)
    Message-ID: <MAILQUEUE-101.960718111237.384@pc-aak.chemie.uni-mainz.de>

    Hi again!

    More NDTC from me.
    CONCEPTION has been mentioned a few days ago.
    They are a very good band from Scandinavia, an their albums have been
    released on NOISE records. The three albums are as follows (I'm not sure
    about the release dates, but they are in the right order) :
    - The Last Sunset (1991)
    - Parallel Minds (1993)
    - In Your Multitude (1995)
    It took me a while to get into "The Last Sunset", but now I like them all.
    They compare in sound to THRESHOLD (I recommend them once in a while),
    that means they play very melodic progressive METAL with interesting
    rhythm guitar parts. Pick up any of these albums, if you can!!!

    Well, as others did that, I do it too : announcing CDs for sale :
    Voivod - War and Pain (jewel box has a few dust scratches)
    Voivod - Nothingface
    Dio - Strange Highways
    Helstar - Multiples Of Black
    J. Geils Band - Best Of
    Preferrably they are sold all together, but I sell them separately, too.
    I'm asking for $6 for one, $5 each if you take more than one, plus
    shipping.

    Check out THRESHOLD and CONCEPTION (as well as BLIND GUARDIAN) !!!

    - Andreas -

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    Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 12:16:12 +0200
    From: akyuz@ltp.dmx.epfl.ch
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: blah!
    Message-ID: <v02130500ae13bba64752@[128.178.99.94]>

    >It has two parts:
    >1992 Limelight-Parallels tour
    >1986 Detroit-Spectre Within tour
    >
    >The Limelight part is about 50 minutes and is not the best quality. There
    >are a lot of drop outs and the sound is not too good. I rate it a C+/B-.

    Isn't the Limelight the one that starts with the chicks in the cages??!
    Damn that vid is awful. You never get to see Matheos.

    >bang. Arch is a lot more talkative to the crowd than Alder. I give the
    >quality for this part of the video a B+. I couldn't believe how great
    >Fates sounded after only their second album. They rocked.

    Alder is like me, a bit harsh with the crowd.
    "Hey! hey! you're out there or WHAT?"

    >I know a lot of you may want a copy of this show but currently I only
    >have access to one VCR. I will probably have another VCR in about 5-6 month=
    s.

    Wanna loan? wanna loan? :-))

    >Watch Operation:Livecrime and you'll certainly discover that this little
    >charade is a pretty neat trick. Oh, the wonders of modern technology! Four
    >guys can play an entire heavily-produced rock opera from beginning to end
    >and it sounds EXACTLY like it does on the CD! Incredible! Queensryche
    >rules, man! They pulled it off without a hitch and fooled everyone!

    Nevertheless, trick or treat, I saw treat the first time. It's so well
    filmed and mixed. It's also so perfect audio-wise. That's why I'd never
    bother to get the vid with the CD, but only the vid. The visuals are so
    well done that I don't care if the Ryche cheated upon us.

    >I need a cigarette. Later,

    Can I have one too, please?

    I don't have light either ;-)

    >i'm the biggest DT fan in israel!!!

    and the only?

    >>> James is a truly gifted performer. I just hope that he sings
    cleaner on the next record. The scratch vocal is okay, but it hides
    his technique quite a bit.<<<<

    I remember my first impression on Awake was that I thought they'd changed
    singer.

    >>>> Met!??!! Who the hell is going to play the center section? If
    we can actually pull that off, I am quitting my government job and
    going back to the business for a living.<<<<

    I think I could make that middle section vocally ;-)

    >>>> Personally, although TSM would be an easy cover, I would
    rather do something like A Fortune In Lies.
            We could assign one singer to each track or do it in the same
    way that the Hear 'N' Aid project was done with each vocalist taking a
    couple of lines.<<<<

    I'd prefer having 1 song, 1 singer.

    Cheers,

    Dave La Brie King Myung

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    Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 14:37:39 +0300
    From: Leinonen Juha <Juha.Leinonen@birdy22.utaj.fi>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: RE: YTSEJAM digest 1699
    Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19960718113739.0066990c@utaj.fi>

    I'm not the biggest DT fan in Finland, but DT had had here
    a couple of gigs. Do you believe?

                                   
    ***************************************************
    * Visit my homepage at http://www.utaj.fi/~joshua *
    * It's a Better Homepage In The Net *
    ***************************************************

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    Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 09:09:42 -0400 (EDT)
    From: Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
    To: Dream Theater Mailing List <ytsejam@ax.com>
    Subject: more trading
    Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.960718085944.29543C-100000@bdmserver>

    Brian Cox wrote:
    > well, i agree. but when people (100's of people) are sending you just a
    > box full of blank tapes and nothing in return, i dont see how i should
    > feel obligated to get to everything in such a hurry. from now on
    > i guess i will just refuse to trade for blanks. is that better than
    > people waiting? even if i quit my job and sat at my house 40 hours a
    > week it would still take me weeks to get all the tapes out that people
    > sent me. i have gotten almost caught up on these blanks trades, but i
    > still dont feel obligated to get them out in any rush.

    I guess most people dont trade at such a high volume, so therefore they
    expect their tapes back within a reasonable amount of time. I suppose
    that traders shouldn't get in over their heads. Make a couple trades.
    Finish them. Make some trades. Finish them...

    |-----------------------------------------------------------------------|
    | Pat Daugherty pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com |
    |=======================================================================|
    | "Every breath leaves me one less to my last" --Dream Theater |
    | "That is not an option, Mr. Mulder" --X-Files |
    |-----------------------------------------------------------------------|
    |The Baltimore Orioles-The team to beat in 1996!!!!!!! | Go DC United! |
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    Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 09:09:38 -0400 (EDT)
    From: Partha Mukhopadhyay <ahtrap@umich.edu>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: broken styx?
    Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.960718090611.22293C-100000@tempest.rs.itd.umich.edu>

    just curious, who's been playing drums for Styx on their current tour?
    I read an obit last night for John (or was it chuck) Panozzo (their original
    drummer, anyway).....

    partha

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    Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 09:39:45 -0400
    From: michael.bradley@mail.cc.trincoll.edu (Michael Bradley)
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: I have a Winter Rose boot
    Message-ID: <v01520d00ae13b6c5d4ae@[157.252.51.124]>

    To whom it may concern,

            I have a 90-minute tape of a live radio broadcast of Winter Rose
    from Toronto. The sound qulity is excellent. Write if interested in
    trading.

                            -Mike Bradley

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    Date: Thu, 18 Jul 96 10:05:28 CDT
    From: Jay Runde <jrunde@glenqcy.glenayre.com>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Mike Bahr's cd update
    Message-ID: <199607181506.IAA29225@mindcrime.ax.com>

    I put a copy of the latest update on my home page. It can be accessed
    at http://www.bcl.net/~darwin.

    --
             James Runde - Glenayre  One Glenayre Way  Quincy, IL  62301
                              jrunde@glenqcy.glenayre.com
    Compassion -- that's the one thing no machine ever had.  Maybe it's
    the one thing that keeps men ahead of them.  -- McCoy, stardate 4731.3
    

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    Date: 18 Jul 96 10:35:30 -0500 From: "Donald Dintaman" <Donald.Dintaman@nmb.norwest.com> To: "rush-request@syrinx.umd.edu" <rush-request@syrinx.umd.edu> (Return requested) (Receipt notification requested), Subject: Flaming Rules/no Rush content

    No Rush content here but I thought some people might need this. ______________________________ The Golden Rule of Flaming Flames should be witty, insulting, interesting, funny, caustic, or sarcastic, but NEVER, EVER, should they be boring. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= The Twelve Commandments of Flaming 1. Make things up about your opponent: It's important to make your lies sound true. Preface your argument with the word "clearly." "Clearly, Fred Flooney is a liar, and a dirtball to boot." 2. Be an armchair psychologist: You're a smart person. You've heard of Freud. You took a psychology course in college. Clearly, you're qualified to psychoanalyze your opponent. "Polly Purebread, by using the word 'zucchini' in her posting, shows she has a bad case of penis envy." 3. Cross-post your flames: Everyone on the net is just waiting for the next literary masterpiece to leave your terminal! From the Apple II RoundTable to X-10 Powerhouse RoundTable, they're all holding their breath until your next flame. Therefore, post everywhere. 4. Conspiracies abound: If everyone's against you, the reason can't *possibly* be that you're a sh??head. There's obviously a conspiracy against you, and you will be doing the entire net a favor by exposing it. 5. Lawsuit threats: This is the reverse of Rule #4 (sort of like the Yin & Yang of Flaming). Threatening a lawsuit is always considered to be in good form. "By saying that I've posted to the wrong group, Bertha has libeled me, slandered me, and sodomized me. See you in court, Bertha." 6. Force them to document their claims: Even if Harry Hoinkus states outright that he likes tomato sauce on his pasta, you should demand documentation. If Newsweek hasn't written an article on Harry's pasta preferences, then Harry's obviously lying. 7. Use foreign phrases: French is good, but Latin is the lingua franca of flaming. You should use the words "ad hominem" at least three times per article. Other favorite Latin phrases are "ad nauseum," "veni, vidi, vici," and "fetuccini alfredo." 8. Tell 'em how smart you are: Why use intelligent arguments to convince them you're smart when all you have to do is tell them? State that you're a member of Mensa, or Mega, or Dorks of America. Tell them the scores you received on every exam since high school. "I got an 800 on my SATs, LSATs, GREs, MCATs, and I can also spell the word 'premeiotic' ." 9. Accuse your opponent of censorship. It is your right as an American citizen to post whatever the hell you want to the net (as guaranteed by the 37th Amendment, I think). Anyone who tries to limit your cross-posting or move a flame war to email is either a communist, a fascist, or both. 10. Doubt their existence: You've never actually seen your opponent, have you? And since you're the center of the universe, you should have seen them by now, shouldn't you? Therefore, THEY DON'T EXIST! This is the beauty of flamers' logic. 11. Lie, cheat, steal, leave the toilet seat up. 12. When in doubt, insult: If you forget the other 11 rules, remember this one. At some point during your wonderful career as a Flamer you will undoubtedly end up in a flame war with someone who is better than you. This person will expose your lies, tear apart your arguments, make you look generally like a bozo. At this point, there's only one thing to do: INSULT THE DIRTBAG!!! "Oh yeah? Well, your mother does strange things with vegetables." -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- EXAMPLE...for the Rookie Flamer -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > Dear Joe, I object to your use of the word "dear." It shows you are a condescending, sexist pig. Also, the submissive tone you use shows that you like to be tied down and flagellated with licorice whips. > While I found your article "The Effect of Belly-Button Lint > on Western Thought" to be extremely thought-provoking, "Thought-provoking?" I had no idea you could think, you rotting piece of swamp slime. > it really shouldn't have been posted in rec.scuba. What? Are you questioning my judgement? I'll have you know that I'm a member of the super-high-IQ society Menstruate. I got an 800 on my PMS exam. Your attempts constitute nothing less than censorship. There is a conspiracy against me. You, Riff Raff, and Simon Sinister have been constantly harassing me by email. This was an ad hominem attack! I have therefore cross-posted this to alt.flame, rec.nude, comp.graphics, and rec.arts.wobegon. > Perhaps you should have posted it in misc.misc. It is my right, as granted in the Bill of Rights, the Magna Carta, the Bible and the Koran, to post where ever I want to. Or don't you believe in those documents, you damn fascist? Perhaps if you didn't spend so much time sacrificing virgins and infants to Satan, you would have realized this. > Your article would be much more appropriate there. Can you document this? I will only accept documents notarized by my attorney, and signed by you in blood. Besides, you don't really exist anyway, you AI project, you.

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    Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 11:26:05 -0500 From: RipZero <ripzero@dreamt.org> To: Heavy Metal Computer Nerds <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: more on zzzoooommmmmbbbbbbiiieeeee Message-ID: <31EE659C.67F9@dreamt.org>

    >Uh, not to go out of my way to piss off anybody around here, but can >you say... QUEENSRYCHE? If this guy is correct, then I guess they >shouldn't be on stage playing in the first place. Not that I'm agreeing >or disagreeing with what was said, I'm just pointing out that if you're >gonna slag White Zombie for playing with a click >rack/sequencer/whatever, then you'd better start slagging QR too. And >hey, DT rolls the intro to Metropolis so I guess they suck too.

    yes but theres a difference, those bands use them to enhance the sound because of their complex music.... i garuantee you if their click broke they wouldnt fuck up all the songs! white z. on the other hand, needs the click onstage because they cant even play in fucking time with each other! see my difference?

    <ringringringringringring> "Hello?..." "ccccccchfkjdshafjhfdsljhdskfmindcrime <click>" ~Rip

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    Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 16:00:40 +0000 From: schnack@wchd18.chemie.uni-wuerzburg.de To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Ernie says hi Message-ID: <199607182032.WAA05459@wchd18.chemie.uni-wuerzburg.de>

    Hey Everybodeeee! It s me, Ernie:) I m not subscribed, but I decided to just say hi from up here in Germany. If anybody has anything to say to me, send me an e-mail at: rothenburg@goethe.de At the beginning of the body, or on the subject, say that it s for me `"Ernesto Schnack", because they print it out and give it to me in class. Take in mind that I can only receive e-mail on this address. I can only send through my sister s e-mail, and since I only see her on most weekends, the replies will come in slowly. In other news, I finally got a listen to Fates Warning. It was "No Exit"; is that one of their better CD 's? I can see where they come from, though. They have a "Warning"-era QR vibe to them...especially the singing and the production...and a couple o riffs here and there. I also got to hear Jason Becker s "Perpetual Burn". One word: AWESOME. I will get "perspectives"...I know it s supposed to be very different, but it s still Jason Becker:) I long for the day when I can get on IRC again <sigh>. Welp, catch yall later. BTW, I haven t met any P.T. fans in Germany yet... I thought there were more of us over here;) Oh, Bye Ernie

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    Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 13:12:22 -0400 (EDT) From: "Ryan P. Skadberg" <skadberg@wicked.stigmata.org> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Blah ... Message-ID: <199607181712.NAA11327@wicked.stigmata.org>

    Hey all ....

    Just wanted to say I am neck deep in mail and work right now. I know I owe some people personal replies as well as alot of jam working to catch up on. I should be getting to it in the next few days, so if you are expecting something from me give it a few days.

    Skadz

    --------------------------------------------------------- Ryan P Skadberg skadz@soundlogic.com Internet / Network / Systems Consultant Sound Logic Consulting New Media Communications http://www.soundlogic.com http://www.mindstorm.com --------------------------------------------------------- nothing can stop me now cause i don't care anymore - nin ---------------------------------------------------------

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    Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 11:59:02 -0600 From: LRW <sir@micron.net> To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: a few observations Message-ID: <01BB74A0.AD66B780@ctwf011p06.twf.micron.net>

    I downloaded the DT interactive that came out the same time as awake. = It is pretty cool. I also listened to the MIDI PMU and its interesting. = If interested the interactive is just over 1 meg and can be found at = dreamt.org. I recently got No Exit and it is awesome except that Ray = still sounded hair rockish I also got Savatage's Handful of Rain. I = was quite impressed with it at first listen. The musicianship is = wonderful. However, the more I listen to it the more I realize how = spoiled I am listening to KJ Labrie. The vocalist has a nasty tendency = to be sharp or flat on half the notes. I would definately recommend it = though. I found the progressive homepage that gives reviews of all prog = bands and I made a list of cds that i want. It includes: The rest of = the savatage, shadow gallery carved in stone, echolyn as the world, = superior behind, Ivanhoe, and Braindance. I went down to SLC the other = day thinking they would have better selection, but I felt like the Monty = Python guy in the cheese imporium. (read with thick British Accent) "Do = you in fact have any cheese (prog) at all?" "Yes! well no." "So you've = been lying the whole time?" "Yes" "Alright, but I'm afraid I'll have to = shoot you now." "Very good sir." Blam! "What a worthless waste of = human life." Ok I didn't shoot the guy but I felt like it. So how am I = supposed to find this stuff?!? Ok I'm done for a while.

    Craig Wuthrich

    P.S. Does savatage rhyme with sabotage?

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    Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 18:00:36 +0000 From: Jon Parmet <jonp@mailstorm.dot.gov> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: love it or shove it Message-ID: <31EE7BC4.167E@mailstorm.dot.gov>

    > Really! I was thinking a sort of underground band like DT might end up > on that program. It's called love it or shove it btw. Do you remember > what the callers comments were? I'd be VERY curious to hear what the > opinions of everyday WAAF listeners would be of DT. A 50/50 split > actually sounds pretty good though.

    Of course there were only a small sampling of comments; but I recall standard responses like "without a doubt, love it", "that tune rocks", "awesome tune" as well as (put the safety back on) "this shit sucks", "shove that garbage", "what a bunch of noise." As you would expect, there were no real in-depth responses from either camp.

    > I remember Queensryche's "Someone Else?" got trashed on that program.

    Perhaps because AAF is more balls 'n chunk and "Someone Else?" is mostly lullaby and goodnight :)

    Regards,

    Jon

    *------------*------------------------*--------------* | Jon Parmet | jonp@mailstorm.dot.gov | 617-494-2851 | *------------*------------------------*--------------*

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    Date: 18 Jul 96 10:35:30 -0500 From: "Donald Dintaman" <Donald.Dintaman@nmb.norwest.com> To: "rush-request@syrinx.umd.edu" <rush-request@syrinx.umd.edu> (Return requested) (Receipt notification requested), Subject: Flaming Rules/no Rush content

    No Rush content here but I thought some people might need this. ______________________________ The Golden Rule of Flaming Flames should be witty, insulting, interesting, funny, caustic, or sarcastic, but NEVER, EVER, should they be boring. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= The Twelve Commandments of Flaming 1. Make things up about your opponent: It's important to make your lies sound true. Preface your argument with the word "clearly." "Clearly, Fred Flooney is a liar, and a dirtball to boot." 2. Be an armchair psychologist: You're a smart person. You've heard of Freud. You took a psychology course in college. Clearly, you're qualified to psychoanalyze your opponent. "Polly Purebread, by using the word 'zucchini' in her posting, shows she has a bad case of penis envy." 3. Cross-post your flames: Everyone on the net is just waiting for the next literary masterpiece to leave your terminal! From the Apple II RoundTable to X-10 Powerhouse RoundTable, they're all holding their breath until your next flame. Therefore, post everywhere. 4. Conspiracies abound: If everyone's against you, the reason can't *possibly* be that you're a sh??head. There's obviously a conspiracy against you, and you will be doing the entire net a favor by exposing it. 5. Lawsuit threats: This is the reverse of Rule #4 (sort of like the Yin & Yang of Flaming). Threatening a lawsuit is always considered to be in good form. "By saying that I've posted to the wrong group, Bertha has libeled me, slandered me, and sodomized me. See you in court, Bertha." 6. Force them to document their claims: Even if Harry Hoinkus states outright that he likes tomato sauce on his pasta, you should demand documentation. If Newsweek hasn't written an article on Harry's pasta preferences, then Harry's obviously lying. 7. Use foreign phrases: French is good, but Latin is the lingua franca of flaming. You should use the words "ad hominem" at least three times per article. Other favorite Latin phrases are "ad nauseum," "veni, vidi, vici," and "fetuccini alfredo." 8. Tell 'em how smart you are: Why use intelligent arguments to convince them you're smart when all you have to do is tell them? State that you're a member of Mensa, or Mega, or Dorks of America. Tell them the scores you received on every exam since high school. "I got an 800 on my SATs, LSATs, GREs, MCATs, and I can also spell the word 'premeiotic' ." 9. Accuse your opponent of censorship. It is your right as an American citizen to post whatever the hell you want to the net (as guaranteed by the 37th Amendment, I think). Anyone who tries to limit your cross-posting or move a flame war to email is either a communist, a fascist, or both. 10. Doubt their existence: You've never actually seen your opponent, have you? And since you're the center of the universe, you should have seen them by now, shouldn't you? Therefore, THEY DON'T EXIST! This is the beauty of flamers' logic. 11. Lie, cheat, steal, leave the toilet seat up. 12. When in doubt, insult: If you forget the other 11 rules, remember this one. At some point during your wonderful career as a Flamer you will undoubtedly end up in a flame war with someone who is better than you. This person will expose your lies, tear apart your arguments, make you look generally like a bozo. At this point, there's only one thing to do: INSULT THE DIRTBAG!!! "Oh yeah? Well, your mother does strange things with vegetables." -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- EXAMPLE...for the Rookie Flamer -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > Dear Joe, I object to your use of the word "dear." It shows you are a condescending, sexist pig. Also, the submissive tone you use shows that you like to be tied down and flagellated with licorice whips. > While I found your article "The Effect of Belly-Button Lint > on Western Thought" to be extremely thought-provoking, "Thought-provoking?" I had no idea you could think, you rotting piece of swamp slime. > it really shouldn't have been posted in rec.scuba. What? Are you questioning my judgement? I'll have you know that I'm a member of the super-high-IQ society Menstruate. I got an 800 on my PMS exam. Your attempts constitute nothing less than censorship. There is a conspiracy against me. You, Riff Raff, and Simon Sinister have been constantly harassing me by email. This was an ad hominem attack! I have therefore cross-posted this to alt.flame, rec.nude, comp.graphics, and rec.arts.wobegon. > Perhaps you should have posted it in misc.misc. It is my right, as granted in the Bill of Rights, the Magna Carta, the Bible and the Koran, to post where ever I want to. Or don't you believe in those documents, you damn fascist? Perhaps if you didn't spend so much time sacrificing virgins and infants to Satan, you would have realized this. > Your article would be much more appropriate there. Can you document this? I will only accept documents notarized by my attorney, and signed by you in blood. Besides, you don't really exist anyway, you AI project, you.

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