YTSEJAM Digest 1699
Today's Topics:
1) Sad news
by The Digital Man <cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu>
2) slashin' up politics
by RipZero <ripzero@dreamt.org>
3) oh yeah, more stuff
by RipZero <ripzero@dreamt.org>
4) Faith No More.
by Mike <syrinx@dreamt.org>
5) Re: DT's mortal sin!
by Ytse-Kain <kain@caribe.net>
6) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1698
by Ytse-Kain <kain@caribe.net>
7) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1698
by someone@enteract.com
8) Aw man, not this guy again...
by kretschmer@bdt.com (Jon Kretschmer)
9) Winter Rose, Drugs, Blank trades
by rterry@inforamp.net (Rick Terry)
10) ACO soundtrack/vocoders, Green Day taunting, T-shirt uses, Conception, James vibrato, DT tribute
by rterry@inforamp.net (Rick Terry)
11) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1696
by akyuz@ltp.dmx.epfl.ch
12) A Clockwork Orange
by Big.Swifty@twav.com
13) WINTER ROSE MATERIAL ON CD
by auzzy@tequila.entpe.fr (Stephane Auzilleau)
14) Conception (NDTC)
by Andreas Kasper <KASPER@pc-aak.chemie.uni-mainz.de>
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Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 22:13:01 -0400 (EDT)
From: The Digital Man <cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu>
To: Ytse Jam <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Sad news
Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9607172237.D4559-0100000@griffin.emba.uvm.edu>
This is something that I got from the National Midnight Star. Knowing
that there are a few Styx fans out here, I thought I'd share, for those
of you that don't get or read the NMS. Weird how this ties in to recent
threads, huh?
----From: rush-mgr@syrinx.umd.edu (The RUSH Fans Digest Manager) Date: Wed Jul 17 14:13:16 PDT 1996 Subject: Administrivia A sad note in rock news... John Panozzo, Styx's original drummer, died yesterday of internal hemorrhaging brought on by alcoholism. He was NOT on the Styx tour because of ill health, and Styx is dedicating the rest of their tour to him. - rush-mgr
------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Digital Man \|/ ____ \|/ Secretary cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu "@'/ ,. \`@" UVM Comp Sci Student Assn d-man@dreamt.org /_| \__/ |_\ "He won't need a bed http://www.emba.uvm.edu/~cmerlo \__U_/ He's a digital man" - Peart
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Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 21:19:33 -0500 From: RipZero <ripzero@dreamt.org> To: Heavy Metal Computer Nerds <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: slashin' up politics Message-ID: <31ED9F35.432F@dreamt.org>
hey, did anyone else catch Slash on Politically incorrect last nite? w/ the thread of drugs going on i thought i'd mention the comment he made- he said that nothing--not politics, not music, art, business--none of it, could exist without drugs. its true that they've been around... and probably always will BE around. i'm not too sure how i stand on this subject however... people addicted to heroin and cocaine are pretty fucking pathetic to me... [snip] ha! i snipped it before you could see it! :P i was getting a little to involved, let me just stop at that :) i'll kick in more thoughts if the thread rolls on. ~Rip
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Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 21:23:02 -0500 From: RipZero <ripzero@dreamt.org> To: Heavy Metal Computer Nerds <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: oh yeah, more stuff Message-ID: <31EDA005.6DF9@dreamt.org>
Dan, mi vaca hermano, said something about DT being on compukeserve and misspelling both their names..... i think it was probably just some dude b.s.ing ya in that case...... check this- my friend said he talked to a guy he thought was mike inez last night on prodigy... "mike" said he was doing the tour w/ ozzy and he was screaming all this bullshit nobody actually in the 'biz', only a fan, would say. now first off- alice in chains is on tour RIGHT NOW, and ozzy is going to be here tomorrow, so obviously its NOT TRUE. ozz's got that bassplayer from suicidal tendencies btw, which i wish he'd get mike back..... and zakk..... :( more food for thought ~Rip
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Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 22:24:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Mike <syrinx@dreamt.org> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Faith No More. Message-ID: <Pine.BSD.3.91.960717222145.8000A-100000@astro.ocis.temple.edu>
let me get a few things straight.
1: Roddy Boddum is _NOT_ out of Faith No More. Yes, he's in Imperial Teen, but Patton's in Mr. Bungle.
2: Puffy is _NOUT_ out of Faith No More. Yes, he's drumming for Ozzy.
3: Dean Marenta is out of Faith No More.
4: Patton released a solo album in April "Adult Themes For Voice", and is currently writing for the new Faith No More album.
5: 10 songs have been written for the new FnM album <bass, drums, keyboards> and they are waiting for Patton's vocals. Probably Billy Gould (he does the guitar work on Another Body Murdered) will do the guitar work.
6: New Faith No More album due: Winter 1997. Confirmed.
any questions? come to me.
------------------------------------- Michael B. Ostrich musical advisor/consultant syrinx@dreamt.org syrinx@voicenet.com syrinx@astro.ocis.temple.edu ..and a partridge in a pear tree.
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Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 22:35:09 -0400 From: Ytse-Kain <kain@caribe.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: DT's mortal sin! Message-ID: <31EDA2DD.4BD8@caribe.net>
>Hey, what's up! I was cleaning out my hard drive when I came across my log from the >conference DT hosted on compuserve (I was Slash in case any jammers were there - >sorry, at the time I LIKED GnR... :). As I was looking through it, I saw that DT >THEMSELVES commited a mortal sin! I'm sure it was just a typo, but STILL... well here's >the excerpt (DT is L.T. [SYSOP]). Judge for yourselves. :) > >L.T. [SYSOP] | we were called MAGESTY > | between 1985 when we formed and 1988... > | when we signed our first record deal. > | we found out the trade mark was held by > | somebody else > | we then changed the name....which was a > | blessing in disguise.. > | then we came up with the Dream Theatre.. > >As you can tell, somebody asked them about their previous name. Jeez, they managed to >misspell BOTH of their names! :)>
humm, well, don't you think that maybe the member of dt that said was just telling it to some typing guy and that guy would type for them for reasons of, oh say, speed, maybe? -- /---------------------------------------------------------------------\ | "Best way to love anything, is keeping in mind you might lose it." | | "Spread before me is my soul, I'm learning to live." -Dream Theater | | | | Visit the official page of the world's best band, Dream Theater at | | http://www.rsabbs.com/dt/ | \---------------------------------------------------------------------/
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Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 23:51:39 -0400 From: Ytse-Kain <kain@caribe.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1698 Message-ID: <31EDB4CB.343D@caribe.net>
>Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 10:54:40 -0400 >From: Yotam Silberstein <liyot@parker.inter.net.il> >To: ytsejam@ax.com >Subject: dt (WWW generated email) >Message-ID: <199607171454.KAA04782@nermal.catt.ncsu.edu> > >i'm the biggest DT fan in israel!!!
holy shit!!! israel!?!?!?! and i thought i came from "afar" and i'm just from Puerto Rico!!! good thing DT is heard even there man. so anyone that lives anywhere 'cept the US say it. i wanna know just from which countries is DT being listened to, or subscribed to the jam. just curious :) -- /---------------------------------------------------------------------\ | "Best way to love anything, is keeping in mind you might lose it." | | "Spread before me is my soul, I'm learning to live." -Dream Theater | | | | Visit the official page of the world's best band, Dream Theater at | | http://www.rsabbs.com/dt/ | \---------------------------------------------------------------------/
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Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 23:18:33 -0500 From: someone@enteract.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1698 Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19960718041833.006c3a4c@enteract.com>
>Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 08:49:16, -0500 >From: FMTG05A@prodigy.com (MR ANTHONY L SCIAMANNA SR) >To: ytsejam@ax.com >Subject: Cynic's new album >Message-ID: <199607171249.IAA02808@mime3.prodigy.com> > >I read on the jam that someone said that Cynic had broken up. I've >heard this for months, and read about all of the new projects the >guys in the band were doing. I've been talking to Sean Malone for >the past couple months and he said he was sure that the guys were >continuing without him. Anyway, today it is official. I heard from >a very reliable source, very close to the band, that their self- >financed 9 song album will be available by late Sept. early Oct. The >bass player is Chris Kringle which they had an off and on
Well, be that as it may, Paul Masvidal told my buddy that they were taking the band in a new direction, and that it wasn't going to be calkled Cynic anymore. Jason Gobel was playing with them at the time, but the only other familiar face with the band was the female keyboardist/vocalist (who is by the way, an immensly talented musician, tho I can't remember her name). What we've seen from Chris Kringle was only average, so I don't stand prepared to be impressed by the bass playing unless he's been woodshedding.
I know it to be a fact that Reinart wasn't with Cynic for some time... if he's back with the group then that tells me this new album won't be a bust, but I hear the last thing the guys were doing (I refer to Jason and Paul) was more like pop and mainstream oriented... not really even metal. I don't expect to see another Cynic album... not the Cynic I knew.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- Chris, Khay, K, Bucketbot, etc...
"Spam is, in fact, a substance used for grouting; its food properties are entirely incidental, and (some contend) satanic in nature. May God save our heathen souls.
And true sycophants know how to spell "sycophancy", because they can't get into the meetings otherwise. " -Mike Keneally
~~~BUY "Perspectives"... by Jason Becker! Available at a store near you!~~~
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Date: Wed, 17 Jul 96 23:14 PDT From: kretschmer@bdt.com (Jon Kretschmer) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Aw man, not this guy again... Message-ID: <v01510100ae13236d133d@[206.14.103.54]>
>Date: Sun, 14 Jul 1996 19:50:08 -0700 (MST) >From: Uncle.Dave@asu.edu >To: THE PROUD FANS OF DREAM THEATER <ytsejam@ax.com> >Subject: jp in guitar world magazine!!! >Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.960714194114.21924B-100000@general2.asu.edu> > >hey guys, i don't know if anyone posted this, but today in zia records >(it's a buy, sell, trade music store) i was in the mag section, thumbing >through em and found an article by jp in the august edition of guitar >world magazine. i didn't have time to read the article because i was in >a hurry, buy i did notice that he wrote a piece from chopin for the >guitar. check it out. btw, is it just me or is dt actually growing more >popular? (i know most of us hope not) they'll probably be a household >name in 5 years. > >oh yeah: i actually talked to someone at zia records who knows what dt is. > > > >DON'T LET YOUR BRAIN TAKE A VACATION...IT MIGHT LOOSE ITS LUGGAGE!!!
Arent you the guy I racked on earlier? : ) hehe
Number one, JPs always been in guitar world. "Wild Stringdom" or some such thing is the title. And he didnt WRITE it. Chopin did. He just plays it on the guitar as an exercise...How can he write something that was by Chopin? That just doesnt make any sense...
Allright, enough acting like a dick...Its just that your posts; they are so innocent and, well, naive shall I say...
<smirk>
Jon
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Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 07:29:58 GMT From: rterry@inforamp.net (Rick Terry) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Winter Rose, Drugs, Blank trades Message-ID: <31edd6b8.229861@mail.inforamp.net>
Hi all,
>Date: Tue, 16 Jul 1996 20:32:11 -0400 (EDT) >From: S Hacker <94001988@lambton.on.ca>
>I have got a live video of James Labrie in Winter Rose if anybody is >interested =)
What's the source of the video? Is it Pro Shot or hand held? Do you know the venue and date? Perhaps you could provide a set list. I would like to know what covers they were playing in those days. I know... questions, questions, questions! :)
>Date: Tue, 16 Jul 1996 22:44:59 -0700 >From: Adam Zirkin <zirk@Ascensionet.com>
>You see, when Hendrix ODed (if he did -- there's still debate :) ) I >don't think that came as a shock to so many people. I mean, he wrote >half (that's being generous) of his songs while he was stoned. But the >Pumpkins -- they never had that image, and I think that's why there's >such a shock now over the keyboardist's death. Furthermore, the incident >happened in New York, which offers the potential of tremendous >miscoverage of the event -- hence, the shock. I'm probably wrong on >that, but it's just a thought.
You must remember though that the 60s was the time when the drug culture got into full swing with people smoking weed everywhere and "tripping out" on Timothy Leary's new best friend, LSD. People expected Hendrix to OD as a result of the volume of drugs he took. The politically correct 90s don't allow for using drugs to be considered an act of propriety. Sure it happens, but users tend to run in tight knit groups and don't advertise their usage of a substance, particularly if they hold a public position. The Pumpkins could not afford to be known as h-heads. It would have resulted in boycotts of their records by special interest groups and, quite probably, younger fans as well. I have a feeling that there's more than one surviving user in that band that we haven't heard about. The saddest thing about this whole thing is that the further the individual's substance abuse gets from the public eye, the more likely it is to result in a fatality.
>Date: Tue, 16 Jul 1996 22:52:00 +0100 >From: elliott@fxn.com (Elliott Kim)
>I am not taking sides in this, BUT, Brian has a valid point. Until I read >that, I didn't think he did do "for-blanks." He is perfectly within his >right to refuse "for-blanks" trades, considering he's got a lot more to gain >from "real" trades, and actually very little to gain from "for-blanks" trades...
I agree that it is more profitable to trade for material rather than blanks, but if you have demand reciprocity for every trade you do, it begins to look petty after a while. Brian is one of the people who still does trade for blanks and I have GREAT respect for him for that reason. If no one traded for blanks, then little trading would occur since no one would be gaining anything. Even in the heights of our current technological period, I doubt there are that many people who own DATs to tape live shows. It would be interesting to do a poll of the number of Jammers who have taped stuff live. I would think the percentage would be quite insignificant. I don't mind trading for blanks at all. Personally, I have always that the joy of music was in the sharing, not the profiting. Just my opinion and not a Kingsford Charcoal flame! :)
Cheers,
Rick Toronto
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Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 07:30:06 GMT From: rterry@inforamp.net (Rick Terry) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: ACO soundtrack/vocoders, Green Day taunting, T-shirt uses, Conception, James vibrato, DT tribute Message-ID: <31ede71f.4429097@mail.inforamp.net>
Hi everyone,
>Date: Wed, 17 Jul 96 09:18:41 +0200 >From: nga@software-ag.de (Neil Gallop)
>3. The soundtrack to 'A Clockwork Orange' doesn't need re-doing or being fucked >around with by anybody. The stuff that Walter Carlos did in collaboration with >Robert Moog was essentially the birth of the synthesizer as we know it, and was >certainly progressive at the time. However, the German band "Die Toten Hosen" >did the music for a stage version of the story, and it turned out great. (Rick, >I've got it on vinyl too).
Aha! The Brotherhood of the Sacred Vinyl lives on! The thing that's so strange about the soundtrack, is the presence of the vocoder. For those who have never seen one, and who probably still have all of their hair ( 8-| ) >>, the vocoder is the keyboard equivalent of the talk box for guitar. when the keyboard is depressed and a word is spoken into the attached microphone, the word is articulated as a chord. Saga fans can hear one on the track See Them Smile from the Images At Twilight Record. Note: Shameless plug for this excellent Toronto area band is 100% intentional! :)
p.s. Hi Jim, Steve, and Ian if you still have your net accounts! Get a hold of me when you get back to Toronto and we'll toss back a couple of draft! :)
>6. Competition time kiddies. Complete the following sentence in not less than >one thousand words: "I like Dream Theater because...". Send all entries to >the Green Day mailing list. The author of the winning entry will get his/her >mailbox jammed for at least two weeks.
Classic. Nice phrasing and delivery. God bless you my child.
>7. Nominal Dream Theater content: my girlfriend uses her t-shirt from the Awake >tour as a night shirt.
/me would allow my wife to do that as well. :) Alas, there are no DT shirts to be had in Canada. 8~-| ( >> Don't worry Mark, I'm still thinking about your shirt offer! :)
>Date: 17 Jul 96 03:25:47 EDT >From: "Peter Pignatelli Jr." <74243.363@CompuServe.COM>
> "The Last Sunset" is their first album. I've only heard pieces of it but >from what >I heard I don't think it is as good as the other two. The production wasn't as >good and >the songs seemed a little dull.
I agree completely. In addition, the band's command of English was not great on this record and some of the lyrics are just horrible. One song, Fairy's Dance, talks of a young man who is seduced by a woman, only to discover that she has the body of a rotting cow with horns and a tail, when he looks at her reflection in a pool of water. After he has been deceived, she turns him into a cow. I warned you about the lyrics!
>The most impressive example of this is on the beginning of "Surrounded".
Oh man! The tapered breathing as the note decays just about makes me want to take a vow of silence! James is a truly gifted performer. I just hope that he sings cleaner on the next record. The scratch vocal is okay, but it hides his technique quite a bit.
>OK. Subscriptions open: I'll do bass on Erotomania. Seriously, this is >something that can be done: a jam-tribute to DT! I bet here on the jam, >there are enough musos to make up 10 DT line-ups. Just like Ytse-cons are >organized, we could book a studio for a month or two, and get Mike Bahr to >produce it -since it seems he'll have no obligations with DT at the time- >and press 1000 CDs. The question is if we do USA/Europe separately or >together. If we do it together, we should book a studio in the States or >Canada. > >Hey, this is serious. Give it a thought.
Hey, I'm in if I can get to the studio. Although I've been playing guitar for 15+ years, don't look for me to start playing the solo from Lie any time soon. JP's picking technique is rather advanced!
>Metropolis, Wait for Sleep, The Silent Man, Another Day, ACoS, The Killing H= >and.
Met!??!! Who the hell is going to play the center section? If we can actually pull that off, I am quitting my government job and going back to the business for a living. Personally, although TSM would be an easy cover, I would rather do something like A Fortune In Lies. We could assign one singer to each track or do it in the same way that the Hear 'N' Aid project was done with each vocalist taking a couple of lines. Oh man! I'm getting very excited about this. I have been practicing UAGM and can now hit that high note that James does live (when he takes the word "name" up one octave from the usual). I can only hold it about 5 seconds at that pitch, but hey, it's a start! :)
Cheers,
Rick LaBrie (I wish!) Toronto
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Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 09:37:27 +0200 From: akyuz@ltp.dmx.epfl.ch To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1696 Message-ID: <v02130501ae13963a7c59@[128.178.99.94]>
>*better* music. Generally this type of fan appreciates that "underground" >quality in a band, because if few other people have heard of this band and >they're not real popular, the listener will feel "set apart," if you will, >from the crowd. I say this because the listener I describe above usually >doesn't like being just "part of the crowd," but wants an identity for >himself, and listening to an underground band like DT gives him that >identity.
DT is definitely underground. What I'm afraid of with the rumours that the next will be partly more commercial, is that they land a mega-hit like what happened with "One" for Metallica. So bye-bye standing out of the crowd, bye-bye identity.
Talking about Ray Alder: >>I, too, was blown away that he was that good in concert. And the guy smokes... unbelievable.<<<<
HE SMOKES!!!??? wow I guess I'm not gonna drop my Marlboro Lights too soon. Another very good singer/smoker is Flotsam's Eric A.K.
BTW, I've been getting duplicated and overlapped jamz lately. Is that normal? (of course not, you dumbass!) ;-)
........................................................................ D A V E K I N G vox & bass MT-20
"holding on is easier than letting go" (fw)
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Date: 18 Jul 1996 02:53:12 CDT From: Big.Swifty@twav.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: A Clockwork Orange Message-ID: <199607180753.AAA26200@mindcrime.ax.com>
YT>> Apparently, Kubrick felt that this was the way that England YT>>COULD become if social controls weren't enforced. I think I heard that YT>>in an interview with him in 1977, but since I was only 13 at the time, YT>>I could be mistaken. :)
YT>The irony is that England has banned the film as this time. Telling??
They banned 'The Texas Chainsaw Massacre' and 'The Exorcist' and 'Child's Play III', among others. It's unabashed censorship, but that's legal in the U.K., and at least they don't discriminate (as far as quality's concerned) against the films they censor. Piss on nothing in particular.
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Date: Thu, 18 Jul 96 10:15:10 +0100 From: auzzy@tequila.entpe.fr (Stephane Auzilleau) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: WINTER ROSE MATERIAL ON CD Message-ID: <199607180816.BAA26399@mindcrime.ax.com>
Hi there,
to answer the question of one jammer, I can say that it exists at least 2 bootlegs with Winter Rose material. Both are on the same Japanese label: Jailbait.
The first one is called 'Winter rose in the dream' and contains 5 tracks demoed in 89 by Winter Rose, other among stuff. The sound quality is not very good.
The second one is called 'Another days of Dream Theater' and contains 8 tracks from a show of Winter Rose, Toronto 03.23.90. This is not the complete show, only the end of the it. The sound quality is quite bad, unfortunately because I own a copy of the complete show and it sounds very good (FM broadcast). This boot is completed with the 8 first tracks (from 'Song for Eric' to Nora') of Kevin Moore's 'Music meant to be heard'.
These two boots are not worth to be bought if you're not a die hard fan. Jailbait doesn't take a good care of the making of their CD. I think it is just to make money.
I'm interested by DAT / tape trades. I've got about 150 DT shows and demos, audio and video. Don't hesitate to e-mail me...
Stephane
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Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 11:12:37 GMT+100 From: Andreas Kasper <KASPER@pc-aak.chemie.uni-mainz.de> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Conception (NDTC) Message-ID: <MAILQUEUE-101.960718111237.384@pc-aak.chemie.uni-mainz.de>
Hi again!
More NDTC from me. CONCEPTION has been mentioned a few days ago. They are a very good band from Scandinavia, an their albums have been released on NOISE records. The three albums are as follows (I'm not sure about the release dates, but they are in the right order) : - The Last Sunset (1991) - Parallel Minds (1993) - In Your Multitude (1995) It took me a while to get into "The Last Sunset", but now I like them all. They compare in sound to THRESHOLD (I recommend them once in a while), that means they play very melodic progressive METAL with interesting rhythm guitar parts. Pick up any of these albums, if you can!!!
Well, as others did that, I do it too : announcing CDs for sale : Voivod - War and Pain (jewel box has a few dust scratches) Voivod - Nothingface Dio - Strange Highways Helstar - Multiples Of Black J. Geils Band - Best Of Preferrably they are sold all together, but I sell them separately, too. I'm asking for $6 for one, $5 each if you take more than one, plus shipping.
Check out THRESHOLD and CONCEPTION (as well as BLIND GUARDIAN) !!!
- Andreas -
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