YTSEJAM digest 1604

Date: Tue Jun 04 1996 - 18:34:38 EDT

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    Today's Topics:

      1) It's 6:56 a.m. Do you know where your Bafu is?
     by Chris Oates <>
      2) Re: Jim Matheos on IRC Tonight!
     by NuGgeTMaN <>
      3) Re: Kansas/Styx-concert review
     by "J. Frasch" <>
      4) Re: Kansas/Styx-concert review
     by Jon Parmet <>
      5) shadow galary
     by savage@grove.ufl.EDU
      6) Defending Neil...
     by Charles D Harrison <>
      7) Top 10 Fucking Sellouts
     by The Digital Man <>
      8) mailing list
     by Ken Hobbs <>
      9) Hey, didn't the Europeans kill all the Incas, etc. ??? (NDTC)
     by (Kevin Madden)
     10) Re: Various / TNT
     11) Testament (NDTC)
     by (Kevin Madden)
     12) Berklee
     13) Thanx CharonE!
     14) I'm Fuckin' Loaded!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     15) Stuff!
     by Kevin Rios <>
     16) Fruitopia, Vito, How To Murder Without Light
     by Steve Borzilleri <>
     17) JOKE?!?
     by John McCabe <>
     18) Richard Karsmakers/My last on TNT
     by buster <>


    Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 07:11:51 -0700
    From: Chris Oates <>
    Subject: It's 6:56 a.m. Do you know where your Bafu is?
    Message-ID: <>

    Coupla things:

    1) Local paper did a nice memorial piece on Kevin Gilbert in the weekly
    local music column last week. They mentioned that he formed a band called
    NRG in the early 80's. Now, to dredge up another old topic, on the
    Transformers: The Movie soundtrack one of the songs (Instruments of
    Destruction) was by a band called N.R.G. The spelling is different, but are
    the bands the same? I've lost the liner notes so I cannot check the
    members' names.

    2) Anyone else notice that the lettering of "ID4" on the posters/website,
    etc. is the EXACT same font as used on the Fates Warning logo on Parallels????

    3) The Metallica fans I know in person actually like Until it Sleeps. Go

    4) I forgot #4

    5) I need sleep.

    I really thought that there was something for the #4 slot. Oh well.

     __ /\ __ +-------------------------------------+
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       \_||_/ | For a boring homepage, web to: | |
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    Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 10:38:18 -0400 (EDT)
    From: NuGgeTMaN <>
    To: jskewes <>
    Subject: Re: Jim Matheos on IRC Tonight!
    Message-ID: <>

    For those of you that missed it, you missed one HELL of a GREAT evening
    with Jim...he is a GREAT guy, and spent a lot of time and effort trying
    to answer damn near EVERY question that we threw at him, and did so in a
    VERY polite manner. One all around Excellent guy, and a GREAT Musician!
    For those of you who are into FW and missed this once ina lifetime
    chance, I was the one person who was able to log the Entire thing, and
    you can get this from me by sending ME E-mail at: with the subject of "Jim's IRC log!!!"
    Just so you people don't bitch about DT content...Jim spoke highly of DT,
    and said there's a possibility of Kevin Moore doing some Keys on the new
    album...but right now that's all pending. Alrighty hope I gave you a
    little taste of the evening...and for those who are interested...DO NOT
    E-MAIL THE JAM to get copies of the log...once again, E-Mail ME
    personally!!! Take care fellow jammers!!!

    According to the circle of fifths, and the order of sharps and flats:
    If the alphabet continued as notes progressed (Using Major Key Sigs) (i.e.
    A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, I, etc.) eventually the key of Z Major would have
    4 sharps.
    StatisticZ show that if a person is born with Perfect Pitch, chances are
    they will grow up to be a famous...Baseball Player!!! :)

    "Just Lighten up and listen to the Music" -Kevin Moore (inside joke)


                    Eric Moegling:



    fOr MoRE nFo AboUT mE fIngEr:


    Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 09:59:42 CST
    From: "J. Frasch" <>
    Subject: Re: Kansas/Styx-concert review
    Message-ID: <>

    > From: Pat Daugherty <>
    > Subject: Kansas/Styx-concert review

    > This was an incredible show... I recommend everyone to go see it.
    > I saw 1 DT Awake shirt. Were there any jammers at the show?

    I wasn't at the Columbia show, but I was at the Milwaukee show on
    Friday. I agree that it was incredible! Kansas is awesome & Steve
    Walsh is a blast to watch (with his backward handstands on the
    keyboards). Cool violin solos, too. Do any of you Kansas' new CD?
    If so, I'd appreciate any comments!



    Date: Tue, 04 Jun 1996 14:50:50 +0000
    From: Jon Parmet <>
    Subject: Re: Kansas/Styx-concert review
    Message-ID: <>

    Pat Daugherty wrote:

    > I think fans of Styx are fans of Kansas.

    Two of my favorite bands growing up. Back when a song couldn't be longer
    than, what was it, 2:30, to get airplay? :) Guess I'll be going to Great
    Woods to check 'em out. Thanks for the review, Pat.



    Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 12:45:33 -0400 (EDT)
    From: savage@grove.ufl.EDU
    To: ytsejam <>
    Subject: shadow galary
    Message-ID: <Pine.ULT.3.91.960604124312.17613A-100000@palm>

    hi all

    do dose shadow galary have any albums out besides carved in stone. and
    can some one email me magan carta's email adddress i cant remember the
    exact phrasing. thanks



    Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 11:52:23 -0500 (CDT)
    From: Charles D Harrison <>
    To: Dream Theater Listserve <>
    Subject: Defending Neil...
    Message-ID: <>

    About the whole Nazi thing...

    I'm sure that we'll all agree that America is the best deal in the
    world. But we all have problems with it, and as someone of
    African-American descent I definitely have problems with this country's
    past. So what if Neil made a joke? This place and its government is far
    from perfect; laughing about is a way to deal with it. And about that
    guy saying Neil is an asshole is being unfair to judge. Everytime that I
    have asked a question on the 'jam, Neil has taken the time (TTT) to
    answer it on private e-mail and he doesn't even know me. Doesn't sound
    like an asshole quality to me. Let's drop this issue already; it's
    getting old.

    (The Ytse-Rook)


    Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 13:01:48 -0400 (EDT)
    From: The Digital Man <>
    To: Ytse Jam <>
    Subject: Top 10 Fucking Sellouts
    Message-ID: <>

    > From: "Richard Karsmakers" <>
    > Subject: Top 10s
    > What have you guys got against top 10 kind of entries? I myself am surprised

    OK, first of all, the moderator of the list said stop posting 'em. That
    ought to be good enough for you.

    > at some of the inane things that are going on on this list, such the "who
    > got an EOJ" things. But that's the charm of this list. If someone starts a
    > thread on TNT - that I don't give a damn about - then so be it. I happily
    > skip them. It's the same with the top 10 stuff. If you don't like 'em, skip
    > 'em. They taper off anyway, eventually, and don't forget that these top 10

    And if you're gonna skip 'em, ignore 'em. Don't complain - make changes.

    > People bring up the waste of bandwidth, but isn't every Ytsejam about 90%
    > waste of bandwidth in the first place? It's the 10% of gems that make this
    > the outstanding list that I read every day (on the contrary to that of
    > Metallica, for example, where "fuck" and "fucking" and "sellout" comprise
    > 90% of the words and the rest is a waste of bandwidth too :-).

    At least no one here writes about Fucking Sellouts all the time. Oh, uh,
    I mean, ...

    > I think complaints about top 10 entries have taken up just as much space as
    > the top 10 entries themselves. This is a free country. This is a free list.

    So do I. Stop writing 'em. (BTW, because of the way the net works, this
    is many free countries and... oh, never mind. :)

    > Now I'm going to get my foot out of my mouth. Or maybe put it in there,
    > whatever the case may be.

    Yummy. Try a little salt and a little ketchup.

    > /=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=\
    > | "Stop that right now or it will be |
    > | the last thing you do with teeth in your head." |
    > \=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=/

    Hey!!! That's *my* line!!! :)

      The Digital Man \|/ ____ \|/ Secretary "@'/ ,. \`@" UVM Comp Sci Student Assn /_| \__/ |_\ "He won't need a bed \__U_/ He's a digital man" - Peart


    Date: Tue, 04 Jun 1996 12:08:48 -0700
    From: Ken Hobbs <>
    Subject: mailing list
    Message-ID: <>


    please include me on all your mailing list enquiries and any other information on Dream Theatre. my name is Rick Oehring and my email address is


    Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 17:56:31 GMT From: (Kevin Madden) To: Subject: Hey, didn't the Europeans kill all the Incas, etc. ??? (NDTC) Message-ID: <>

    Please ignore Subject. We like to.... 1. TNT Mape said, "Would someone tell me in what stage exactly Joe Lynn Turner was a member of TNT? I have four albums by the band (Knights...,Tell No Tales, Intuition and Realized Fantasies) but I see no JLT here...did JLT sing just a couple of songs w/ Tony Harnell or am I missing something here? A funny coincidence is the fact that the last drummer of TNT has joined Riot. Joe Lynn Turner sang on Riot's "Privilege of Power". Also, I must correct a little bit of false information here. Tony Harnell has been the vocalist of TNT all the way, ever since the

    "Knights...". Someone told he wasn't with the band back then, but he must've been confused some way. Tony Harnell is not the man's real name. The name on the sleeve of "Knights..." is the man's real name. So there. Thus spoke your "cheesy 80's hair metal" expert Mape. BTW, I had a metal-only radio show back 1988-90. I should know my stuff. But if I don't, slap me. _Mape_" Consider yourself slapped. First of all. JLT sang some back-ups, never lead. Second, there was a singer before Harnell, and there was an album before "KOTNT." It was sung in Norweigen. One can still get it on import. Harnell is from the US. Read the liner notes from "Realized Fantasies" again. 2. Panama, Colombia and "vacando" Ernie said, "Ernie went out to buy 'Load' today. but Ernie didn't find it. silly Ernie thought that Panama would be considered 'the rest of the world'

    but Ernie was wrong." What? You mean Panama isn't the US? Oops... Is that anywhere near "Columbia"? Actually, doesn't Panama' mean "plenty of fish" in an idiginous language? And by that matter, didn't they use to be part of Colombia? Rest-of-the-world indeed. Would "vacar" be a reflexive verb? "Vacarse" Sounds like trabajarse, if you know what I mean... 3. Fates IRC It was so nice to see all of about 10 people on the IRC last night. Interesting, though. 4. New, offseason .sig follows. -- Kevin ( "Hey everybody, look at me! I'm different for the sake of being different Truly a beautiful way to be At least that's what they keep telling me Condition: Grave attention I'm different, but it's insignificant" Non Fiction "Social Res" from "It's a Wonderful Lie"


    Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 20:46:12 +0200 (MET DST) To: Multiple recipients of list <> Subject: Re: Various / TNT Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.93.960604202938.18600A-100000@aasta>

    Just a little on the TNT-thing. Funny coincidence, actually: I've been routinely deleting the 'jams lately, without even reading them, due to time pressue :(. However, I was listening to Knights of the new thunder for the first time in years the other day, and it struck me that a lot of you jammers just had to get to know this band and Ronni Le Tekroe in particular, and was planning to post a little someting on the subject... Next time I looked at the jam, it seems a thread on TNT has been going on for a while. Weird. but ... the point ... something that was asked and commented by Ollila Marko recently:

    > From: "Ollila Marko" <> > > > Would someone tell me in what stage exactly Joe Lynn Turner was a member of > TNT?

    - hell, I never heard of such a thing (and, due to my personal preferences, I would even hope it wasn't true!)

    > Also, I must correct a little bit of false information > here. Tony Harnell has been the vocalist of TNT all the way, ever since the > "Knights...". Someone told he wasn't with the band back then, but he must've > been confused some way. ..

    > _Mape_

    The confusion might have arisen because TNT had another vocalist (Dag Ingebrigtsen) before Tony Harnell, and with him they released an album simply called TNT. I believe they also recorded more or less all of Knights... with Ingebrigtsen before they decided to change vocalist, and re-recorded the vocals with TH. Also, a song like USA, was released with the original vocalist (I believe it was on the first album, possibly it was only a single), and in Norwegian. The whole first album BTW, was in Norwegian.

    I'm sure you Ronni le Tekroe-fans are familiar with the stuff he's doing with Terje Rypdal (I'm not too familiar with it myself) - a guy considered possibly Norway's top guitarist (Not Heavy metal - he plays mostly "serious, modern" music). Just thought I'd mention that project in case someone didn't know - there's a lot of nifty guitar-playing on their albums.




    Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 18:53:44 GMT From: (Kevin Madden) To: Subject: Testament (NDTC) Message-ID: <>

    Hey. I just read an e-mail from James Murphy, guitarist in Testament. According to him the band is quitting the business due to many obstacles which have stunted their development. James will be working on solo material. According to him this was Chuck and Eric's call. This may not be a permanent decision, but it's the latest. Sorry to those who will miss them. -- Kevin (


    Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 15:24:46 -0400 From: To: Subject: Berklee Message-ID: <>

    Can Anyone list which members of DT went to berklee ..i forget which ones ..but petrucci ... and to where did the others go .. better yet ..can anyone make me a list withthe Dt members and to which school they went..? ...Email privately if you can ...thanx ..


    Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 17:01:10 -0400 From: To: Subject: Thanx CharonE! Message-ID: <>

    Hey CharonE! Thanx ! i received the tapes today..and they kick ass! ..Im so grateful! .. Email me privately i can tell you some stuff ..about the tapes... :) Thanx Again


    Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 17:14:43 -0400 From: To: Subject: I'm Fuckin' Loaded!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Message-ID: <>

    Lars Ulrich suffered a horrible accident which resulted in the amputation of his left leg...

    But seriously, I like the album. I almost neglected my daily DT listening for it!!! Yes, it's a continuation of the path they went down for TBA, but they've gone a little further.. It's definitely not TBA II. If you think of it as well-written mainstream rock by a band heavily influenced by Metallica, it's a lot easier to get into. ;)

    Give the album a chance, especially, "Hero Of The Day."

    Elliott Kim,


    Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 17:21:52 -0400 From: Kevin Rios <> To: Subject: Stuff! Message-ID: <>

    Hey, just a little tidbit of info. Today is the official release of Heavy Metal on video. Blockbuster has it for $15.99. And Joe Lynn Turner never sang for TNT, BUT he did sing background vocals on the Realized Fantasies CD.

    Kevin (WilsonCat)


    Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 14:39:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Steve Borzilleri <> To: Dream Thespians <> Subject: Fruitopia, Vito, How To Murder Without Light Message-ID: <>

    > From: "John R. Kotzian" <> > Subject: TS > > I've got Fruitopia caps!" -Percy

    WOOUW!! :)

    I love that ad. Looks like someone finally decided to make a cool deal out of those little silver discs. I've been mailing them out to people for almost a year now. Heck, a few of those folks are on this list, so maybe now instead of thinking I'm, like, WEIRD or something they'll actually thank me. Anyone still got theirs? Anyone? Everyone? No One? Odysseus?

    Hmm. Dr. Odysseuss. "I do not like Kyklopes and ham. I do not like them Sam I am. I would not lunch with filthy cheater, But curse his crops beside Demeter! I would not munch on polished slates, I would not crunch with all the fates! Kyklopes, ham, or pomegranite, A meal unsavory, most unsanit!

    1: Dr. Seuss and The Odyssey don't have anything to do with Dream Theater!

    2: BZZT! Petrucci based the lyrics of "Metropolis" on the style of Homer's "The Iliad." Homer also wrote "The Odyssey." So there. :b

    ---- > From: > Subject: Re: Scratched CDs > > There is no secret formula or voodoo black magic bullshit involved...

    Sure, Elliott. That's what they said about EOJ...


    (By the way, can you guys stop mentioning me in relation to that phenomena? I'm pretty sure I resigned about the time Itchy posted I had hit 26 or something. Too much work, no time to weave spells for EOJs.)

    ---- > From: Charles D Harrison <> > Subject: A dash of DTC...;) > > 5. Vito Bratta [don't forget him =)]

    I haven't.

    > I already feel the flames for #2, 5, and 6. Remember, the above is all > IMHO; Flame away! =)

    Are you kidding? The only reason anyone makes fun of Vito Bratta is because he happened to be the guitarist in a band fronted by Mike Tramp.

    Bafu Vai


    Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 18:20:30 -0400 (EDT) From: John McCabe <> To: Subject: JOKE?!? Message-ID: <>

    Cook rambled something like this: > But I'm getting real tired of this asshole >ripping on America and I'd really like to see him stop.

    It was a joke! Don't compare "crooked" with "psycho". Jeez, are you doing this to get attention or something. Now before you going and start yelling at me, just take a deep relaxing breath. See don't you feel?



    Date: Tue, 04 Jun 1996 18:25:06 -0400 From: buster <> To: Subject: Richard Karsmakers/My last on TNT Message-ID: <>

    First I'd like to throw in my last post with TNT content: I CAN'T BELIEVE so many other people out there were into/heard of TNT! More proof that Ytsejammers RULE!

    Second I'd like to say that Rich Karsmakers brought up a good point:

    He doesn't care about TNT, but I do, so he skips the posts and I don't. Some people like the top 10's and some don't..I just skip them. It's not that difficult, especially if you're using a windows browser with the little slider/arrow bar.

    I don't find it bothersome to skip posts about other bands that I may not be into, but on the other hand, there have been some things in here lately (and you all know what they) that we shouldn't have to skip because they shouldn't be posted in know, stuff that starts racial and religous flame wars?! Most of us Jammers are very opinionated people, and most of us are intelligent, so starting threads on those "tense" topics can really get us all pissed off. I'd rather see a top 10 or a post on some band I was never into....

    Peace, buster


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