YTSEJAM digest 1607

Date: Thu Jun 06 1996 - 04:22:57 EDT

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    Today's Topics:

      1) Kee Marcello???
      2) new albums
     by matt rosin <>
      3) Savatage
      4) Metallica and Rush (deal with it :)
     by The Digital Man <>
      5) Kevin Gilbert
     by "John R. Kotzian" <>
      6) More racism on the Jam.
     by Ben Laussade <>
      7) Load Cover and DT in the Studio?
     by (Jose Vaquera)
      8) Whoa.
     by Ben Laussade <>
      9) Art Garfunkel relation to Dream Theater
     by The Silent Man <>
     10) Subconscious CD
     by zebrowski steven <>
     11) Nationalities, Missing Lines, Dragonheart
     by Steve Borzilleri <>
     12) DT Convention
     13) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1606
     by (Ernesto Schnack)
     14) Re: Subcon copies
     by "Robert Quezada" <>
     15) Subcon copies
     by "Ollila Marko" <>
     16) DT content 90%
     by Mithrandir <>
     17) RQ's kick-ass cd player
     by Omar Torres <>
     18) To Live Forever


    Date: Wed, 5 Jun 96 22:10:07 EDT
    To: <>
    Subject: Kee Marcello???
    Message-ID: <>

    > From: Daniel Del Vecchio <>
    > 1. Steve Vai 2. Joe Satriani 3. Al Di Meola 4. Vito Bratta 5. Kee
    > Marcello 6. Gary Moore 7. John Petrucci. 8. Yngwie Malmsteen 9. Reb
    > Beach 10. Paul Gilbert

    Kee Marcello? Are you choosing him based upon his work with Europe? I saw
    him play a 5-minute solo once on some guitar show and he smokes! Good chops.
     Then I listen to his work with's not bad playing, but he
    definitely is not showcased well...


    Date: Wed, 05 Jun 1996 21:07:30 -0500
    From: matt rosin <>
    Subject: new albums
    Message-ID: <>

    with all the talk about the new metallica album that came out
    on tuesday, i would just like to let you all know about
    another cd that came out on the same day: the new carcass
    album, "swansong", which is unfortunately their last one
    since they have broken up. this album is fucking amazing.
    check it out.

    m a t t r o s i n
    S U R R E A L I T Y
    dark ethereal music


    Date: Wed, 5 Jun 96 22:14:42 EDT
    To: <>, <>
    Subject: Savatage
    Message-ID: <>

    >I picked up my first Savatage CD last week

    You must have Handful of Rain. Enjoy it cause it may be the one and only
    album with Alex Skolnick. I don't see him coming back... I personally like
    (in order):

    Edge of Thorns
    Hall of the Mountain King
    Gutter Ballet
    and the rest - Sirens, Dungeons are Calling (something like that - the 2nd
    one), Fight For the Rock, Power of the Night


    Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 22:18:23 -0400 (EDT)
    From: The Digital Man <>
    To: Ytse Jam <>
    Subject: Metallica and Rush (deal with it :)
    Message-ID: <>

    > From: Bigman <>
    > Subject: skip this...
    > /DaBigman barks at D-man :^)
    > I gotta get a 'puter at home...
    > yo soy el hombre grande

    tu estas con la perra grande, tambien :) MARTHA!!!!!
    (No, the rest of you were *not* meant to understand that. Sorry, I'll
    take this one private. :)


    > From: > Subject: Evolution (VERY Little DTC) > > Now about the evolution of bands: A lot of talk has been raised over > Metallica's supposed selling out of their fans/music. I want to point out > that this is a stage almost all bands have to go through in order to survive > and prosper in the music industry. > > For example, Rush and YES. They were quite well known for a long time, > building a fan base steadily, but not phenomenally. They produced > superlative music, but never achieved the success and notoriety (awards, > #'1s, MONEY), of the biggest bands. These bands finally DID get #'1s, and > the recognition and notoriety they deserved AFTER they modified their songs > to be more palatable to a finicky music industry that can turn on a dime.

    Don't EVEN go there with Rush. Rush (like Metallica, like DT, and like Yes) allowed their style to mature and progress in parallel with their lives. If any of these bands ever wrote songs just to write stuff that the teeny boppers wanted to hear, they wouldn't be around anymore. I dare you to write and record a song that the kiddies will buy. By the time you release it, they'll be on to the next thing already. The reason these bands are still around is because they write music based on their own feelings and emotions, music that is honest to them and to us, their fans.

    Phew! Sorry for ranting. :) Uh, DT r00lZ!!!

    ------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Digital Man \|/ ____ \|/ Secretary "@'/ ,. \`@" UVM Comp Sci Student Assn /_| \__/ |_\ "He won't need a bed \__U_/ He's a digital man" - Peart


    Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 22:18:24 -0400 (EDT) From: "John R. Kotzian" <> To: (Explore The Boundries) Subject: Kevin Gilbert Message-ID: <>


    Whoa! I missed something here. Kevin Gilbert died??? The guy from Toy Matinee??? Who was recently recorded on the Magna Carta Genesis Tribute??

    If this is true, could someone send me some info on it? (Date, how, where, obituaries and memorials.) Thanx.


    -- .. .. . . .. .. .. .. ........ . . .. .... .. .. .. .... ... .. . .. ..... John R. Kotzian =

    "That's right Wendy. We all wear masks. Metaphorically speaking." -Stanley Ipkiss . .. ... . .. . . ... ...... . ... ... . .. . . . ... . .... . . . . . ..


    Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 19:24:24 -0700 From: Ben Laussade <> To: Subject: More racism on the Jam. Message-ID: <>

    >Also, I got Load today (I'm a day or two >behind the rest of the world being that I live in ARKVILLE and I had to wait >until my friend drove 45 miles to pick up the album for me) and I actually >like some it to an extent. My favorite songs are Until It Sleeps, King >Nothing, Cure, and Mama Said. The only songs I really don't like are 2X4, >Poor Twisted Me, and Ronnie

    Gad...first it was prejudice against Asians, then it was the we have Shuffle Haters. :-)

    duh daduh daduh daduh daduh Hey Brian: I'm agonna make ya. Shake ya. Take ya. I'm agonna be the one who breaks ya.

    Hey....anyone besides me and the people on IRC figure out the Ain't My Bitch inkblot? Sickening.....very 'Tallica. :-)

    >Let's get an IRC thing happening! I just figured out how to get >on it and I want to chat with some fellow jammers! Any jammers >in the bay area? I am moving up there next week and want to >hook up with anyone. I will be going to the scorps show on the >29th. Later > >Anyone want to set a time and date for the IRC?

    Guess what John. :-) Come to on Port 2112 anytime. We're always open. ;-)

    >Now about the evolution of bands: A lot of talk has been raised over >Metallica's supposed selling out of their fans/music. I want to point out >that this is a stage almost all bands have to go through in order to survive >and prosper in the music industry.

    You know what, though? The one thing about Load is that it really sounds (to me) like they're having fun. This is the kinda stuff they want to do. I'm not saying that all the other albums were recorded only for commercial success, but this just sounds like they're having a good time. People age...which may explain the haircuts, and Hero of the Day (<grin>...great song). Of course, then I see Kirk nearly pulling his pants down to show off his tattoo...oh well. This album takes a real blues form. The three shuffles that Brian disliked especially. For like the first time, the riffs are happy. Puttin' a few F naturals in that G scale...bluuuuues.

    And I listen openly... Ben Laussade


    Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 21:29:06 -0500 (CDT) From: (Jose Vaquera) To: Subject: Load Cover and DT in the Studio? Message-ID: <>

    According to the new Rolling Stone, the LOAD cover is a piece from Andres Serrano called "Semen and Blood III". It's a mixture of the artist's semen and bovine blood. I think that's...

    Has anyone heard any new info on when DT is hitting the studio. Should we expect a new album by the end of the year?

    And finally...

    I was finally quoted on the 'jam, and by the MOJOMAN, no less. I can die happy.

    ============================================================================ ======== "I know what that is.......WHAT THE HELL IS THAT???????"

    "I bet that never happened in Home Ec."

    The one, the only, you know him you love him, you can't live without him.

    Joe "The Kid" Vaquera ============================================================================ ========


    Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 19:32:00 -0700 From: Ben Laussade <> To: Subject: Whoa. Message-ID: <> bad, homey. Ronnie isn't a shuffle. :-) But, still the blues format.

    And I listen openly... Ben Laussade


    Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 22:46:30 -0400 (EDT) From: The Silent Man <> To: the cool people <> Subject: Art Garfunkel relation to Dream Theater Message-ID: <>


    Well probably not to most of you but cool for me. You see:

    I went to see a concert at my synagogue tonight. Art Garfunkel performed. It was a good concert, considering the fact that I do not own any of the Simon and Garfunkel CDs. Anyways, I see this Asian dude with really long hair setting up the drum kit on stage. For a second I thought I saw this guy setting up Portnoy's kit at the Birch Hill show. But I then told myself that there's no way that same guy from the Birch Hill show could be doing the sound for an Art Garfunkel a Jewish temple; it just seemed too unlikely. However, when I saw this guy at the end of the show, I decided to ask him if he ever worked with Dream Theater. He smiled and said that he's good friends with Portnoy and that he sets up his kit whenever DT goes on tour. He thought it was cool that there was a DT fan in the place where the Garfunkel concert was held. Just goes to show you that it's a small world and BALLS AND CHUNK IS WHERE IT'S AT.

    Brandon Elhai <> <>


    Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 22:57:44 -0400 (EDT) From: zebrowski steven <> To: Subject: Subconscious CD Message-ID: <>

    I will be auctioning off my ORIGINAL Subconscious CD #242 to the highest bidder. I will mainly be doing this to have money for Mike's future CD's. :) Please e-mail me privately.


    Steve Z


    Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 20:05:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Steve Borzilleri <> To: Dream Thespians <> Subject: Nationalities, Missing Lines, Dragonheart Message-ID: <>

    > From: > Subject: Putting flags up!!?

    [condenser engaged]

    >>1 - Jason Becker (USA) 2 - John Petrucci (USA) 3 - Steve Vai (USA) >>4 - Joe Satriani (USA) 5 - Yngwie Malmsteen (S/USA) 6 - Mads Eriksen (N) >>7 - Eddie van Halen (NL/USA) 8 - Jimi Hendrix (USA) 9 - Bernd Steidl (D) >>10 - Cyril Whistler (NL) > > A top ten list is enough of a pisser, do we REALLY have to add the > nationalities to make things worse? Let music do the talking. > > Regards, > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > Devrim A. AKYUZ > Powder Technology Laboratory > Materials Science Department > Swiss Federal Institute of Technology ^^^^^ A .sig file is enough of a pisser, do we REALLY have to add the nationalities to make things worse? Let your post do the talking. :)

    ---- > From: (Scott Cook) > Subject: The Clinton's vs. Hitler > > Ya know Neil, you're really good at goofing on America,

    Yeah, and Andy's pretty good at goofing on Elvis.

    ---- > From: Daniel McCormack <> > Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1592 > > You remind me of the babe. > What babe? > The babe with the power.

    What power?

    The power of VOODOO!

    > Who do? > You do. > Do what? > Remind me of the babe.

    A GOBLIN babe...

    > > Where's the beef??? > > I hope you like it well done. :)

    Were I ten years old, I think I would have fallen in love with "Dragonheart" like I did with "The Neverending Story" so long ago. Draco was really cool. I want one. :) Notice how his face slightly resembled Sean Connery's? and you wonder how they got the mouth to form around the words so well...

    Bafu Vai


    Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 23:22:17 -0400 From: To: Subject: DT Convention Message-ID: <>

    Could Someone please tell me what is and goes on in the Dream Theater Convention. I know it was probably explained before, so if someone could help me out, i would appreciate it. Thank You


    Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 23:32:50 -0400 From: (Ernesto Schnack) To: Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1606 Message-ID: <>

    >Has anyone heard who is going to be doing the DT album ??? Let us all >join hands and pray that nobody calls Bob Rock.. He may be a good >producer, but he seems to be the one responsible for taking the teeth out >of Metallica's music..

    I pray, but not because of the 'selling out' stuff. I think he sucks donkey as a producer... I was listening to some CD's that he produced lately: Motley Crue's last one and Skid Row's sUBHUMAN rACE... The production is AWFUL! Everything sounds so cluttered and extremely busy (I mean busy as in you can't understand what the fuck they're playing)...And the drum sound is horrible on SR's... I've never liked the sound on TBA either... especially the drums; they have this brittle high end that I despise. I think the only reason that they got a decent sound on that one, is because Metallica are such perfectionists (or should I say 'anal retentive'?:)) in the studio.

    > >>Just saw 'The Prophecy'.... I was rather disappointed. The ending was to >>quick... no suspenese or anything. I mean Lucifer just comes and rips the >>guy's heart out, the soul comes out of the little girl, and that's it... > > But, it was SATAN. If you were the devil, would your foremost goal >be to make the movie good? Besides, he walks outside and turns into birds. >How can you beat that? :-) >

    Well, for one he could have turned into moo-cows. And you notice how the 'hero' of the movie didn't do much? Yeah sure, just swing at an angel w/ an iron bar as if that's gonna help any. So then Satan has to come and do the job for him. Chosen one...sheah right!:)

    C-ya, wouldn't wanna B-ya!! Ernie :)


    Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 00:12:07 +0000 From: "Robert Quezada" <> To: Subject: Re: Subcon copies Message-ID: <>

    On 5 Jun 96 at 17:53, John Hough wrote:

    > > > > It WILL sound exactly the same as the original. > > It WILL NOT look exactly the same as the original. > > It WILL cost the same as the original. $25 U.S. > > > OOOhhh what a bargain! > > There are people who are on a dubsite list who are doing > it for FREE! I am one of them!!! > Yes, but that person was offering CD-R dubs not cassette.

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    Date: 6 Jun 96 09:12:33 +0200 From: "Ollila Marko" <> To: Subject: Subcon copies Message-ID: <>

    John Hough snapped concerning Subcon CD copies' $25 price:

    >>OOOhhh what a bargain!

    >>There are people who are on a dubsite list who are doing >>it for FREE! I am one of them!!!

    What do you mean "doing it for free"? Are you speaking of something else or are you telling us that you're making CD copies of Subconscious for free for everyone who wishes to have one? If you really are, send every jammer a copy.If you're not, you really should read the posts correctly before you react. Not a flame, just a piece of advice that'll make your life easier.

    Hey, thanks for the one who slapped me about my less-than-perfect TNT knowledge.



    Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 00:28:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Mithrandir <> To: Subject: DT content 90% Message-ID: <>

    Hey Kids!!!!!

    I received my copies of WDATU and AQ today finally. It seems that my mailman left the envelope at a house up the block and the idiots forgot to give it to me for three weeks. Well here are my impressions: As for the vocalist auditions I have only one thing to say; DT chose the right guy. I love the stuff John Arch did with FW, but I don't think he would have been the right fit with DT. WDATU is cool because I got to hear some stuff I have not seen DT play since early 1990, and if on OAMOT if you hear some freak screaming at the top of his lungs, it was probably me. I was at that show, January 2 1993. Two opening bands that night were Sahara, and Inner Strength. I was standing right next to the P.A. for I.S. I lost my hearing and voice for three days after that show. ACOS is cool hearing it in its unpolished original form. I have heard a better recording from th I&W sessions, but Kenny Myung won't let me record it from him (he thinks I might try and sell it to Mike Bahr). Anyways I am happy now. Here is the freaky thing about the Sparks show. The band came in the front entrance during the first opening act just like everyone else, and hung out with us afterwards.

    Hey Bafu, when you are as large as the Mooojoman, You can afford to be so forward, or as you put it so " FranK " Elen sila lumenn omentilmo, Mithrandir


    Date: Thu, 06 Jun 1996 04:00:22 -0400 From: Omar Torres <> To: Subject: RQ's kick-ass cd player Message-ID: <>

    hey .. this cd player're reading the lyrics to the song and all..and the interface is extremely well done..i already have it in floppies so i can install it later if i format my hd again :) thanks Robert for taking your time and email it to me it conclusion..GET IT!!!!! i think you got my point :)



    Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 10:16:42 +0200 From: To: Subject: To Live Forever Message-ID: <v02130500addc43cd6ffa@DialupEudora>

    Here are the lyrics:

    If I'd started from the top and worked my way down There'd be no reason to live forever

    The starvation has turned me outside in And the wind has blown me halfway across the world

    Why was I born in an age of distrust I'd offered some change for a photograph It will always stay the same, you will always be the same

    Until I saw the desire for revenge my heart never once went astray As long as I have to die in the attempt Then there is no reason to live forever

    I found you where they left you there A passing word that's gone forever And searching my memory for answers I saw the words of a letter you wrote She said "You don't have to live forever' You don't want to live forever" And everythings changing now I don't want to live forever

    Live in Tokyo ending (begins after solo):

    Until I saw the desire for revenge As long as I have to die in the attempt If I had to charge the attack Let me No reason to live forever

    :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Dave King

    "holding on is easier than letting go" (fw) ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::


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