YTSEJAM digest 1606

Date: Wed Jun 05 1996 - 21:45:01 EDT

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                                YTSEJAM Digest 1606

    Today's Topics:

      1) Sorry
     by Mark Bredius <>
      2) re-try
      3) Geetar
     by Steve Borzilleri <>
      4) Carpe Diem CD
     by (Scott Cook)
      5) skip this...
     by Bigman <>
      6) Flying to the Ytsecon III
     by Aladdin <>
      7) Savatage
      8) Mojoman, Hidden Messages, Survey
     by Steve Borzilleri <>
      9) Re: Savatage
     by Sava Web <>
     10) Metallica & Kevin Gilbert
     by Doug Cronkhite <>
     11) Savatage advice...
     by (DUSTY VESTAL)
     12) Stuff
     13) Subcon copies
     by John Hough <>
     14) IRC
     by John Hough <>
     15) Evolution (VERY Little DTC)
     16) Endings.
     by Ben Laussade <>


    Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 23:17:45 +-200
    From: Mark Bredius <>
    To: "'\"Metallica Mailing List\"'" <>
    Subject: Sorry
    Message-ID: <>

    Sorry to bother you all with this. My provider really messed up last
    friday. I wasn't able to connect or receive mail since then. If anyone
    tried to mail me between may 31th and june 5th, please re-send those
    messages. Even if they didn't bounce. Some people mailed me without
    getting 'bounce'-messages, but I still didn't get those letters. Weird.

    Btw, Skadz... What happened to my auto-ops ? :(
    Does my address still work ?
     ()___() Hasta Luego... "Abandon the search for Truth; |_(a` )
     (d(Y)b) Pasta & Legos ! settle for a good fantasy." ~_) | \
    __] u [__________________________________________________________\_/_( )
    Mark Bredius, - Itchy (NOT Bitchy),


    Date: Wed, 05 Jun 96 17:36:15 EDT
    Subject: re-try
    Message-ID: <IP15100.960605173615@portland.maine.EDU>

    I am attempting to send this letter yet again. Sorry about this.

          I've been lurking on this list since before the switch from After mucking through fifteen jams I decided to risk
    the flames and actually post for once. Brave, aren't I. I have
    a couple of comments for the masses.

    1. Not all of us are utilizing the height of technology. I am on
    an antiquited system that is no longer remembered by name, but simply
    referred to as "The Dinosaur". _Please_ manually hit return before
    the post runs off the screen. This system cannot cope with such
    confusion, and loses vital information on every forced word wrap.
    We also have no place to use a right arrow key to scroll, the system
    is that old. On the other hand, at least we have direct internet

    2. I noticed the post concerning female jammers. Well, is there
    anyone out there who lives in Maine? I know of at least one other
    lurker on this list, but other than that the scene around here is
    ultimately depressing. Can you say Pop, anyone?

    3. Can anyone recommend any good prog bands (or other types) that
    have good lyrics, non-discordant leanings, and an understandable
    lead singer? If you do, could you please include the label the
    band is recorded under. I can almost guarantee our stores up here
    won't have a clue.

    4. I have to agree with the criticism about giving credit where
    it is due, expecially concerning signature lines. The reason is
    this: if I see a really cool quote, I will want to read more, and
    I cannot do that unless I know were to go.

                                                Audrey Johnson

       "We live in a world of frightful givens. It is
    given that you will behave like this, given that you
    will care about that. No one thinks about the givens.
    Isn't it amazing? In the information society, nobody
    thinks. We expected to banish paper, but we actually
    banished thought." -Michael Crichton, "Jurassic Park"


    Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 14:49:53 -0700 (PDT)
    From: Steve Borzilleri <>
    To: Dream Thespians <>
    Subject: Geetar
    Message-ID: <>

    > From: matt rosin <>
    > Subject: portastudios, my shiny white teeth.
    >>>End of YTSEJAM Digest 1596
    >>damn you. how many of these have you got this week? :)
    > i've lost count...;) bafu, eat your heart out.

    Don't worry, Matt, someone's bound to find your pogs and turn 'em in to
    the lost and found. :)

    > From: Daniel Del Vecchio <>
    > Subject: My Top 10
    > My top 10 guitarists:

    [condenser engaged]

    > 1. Steve Vai 2. Joe Satriani 3. Al Di Meola 4. Vito Bratta 5. Kee > Marcello 6. Gary Moore 7. John Petrucci. 8. Yngwie Malmsteen 9. Reb > Beach 10. Paul Gilbert

    Dang... Seven outta ten ain't bad, Dan. :)

    ---- > From: Ben Laussade <> > Subject: Scarred. > > > Hey, I'm sorry! I forgot to change the "to" address before sending > > it. We all make mistakes... > > James: From now on, never take anything I say seriously unless further > notice is given.

    Hmm. So what do I do about this >>>

    > > 6. Slash (so shoot me, he's damn good) > > ?! I'M better than Slash! And, yes..I WILL shoot you.

    You must not be a guitarist.

    > And I listen openly. > Ben Laussade

    Ah, but can you pour your soul into the water AND cover her memory???

    Bafu Vai


    Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 15:09:55 -0700 From: (Scott Cook) To: Subject: Carpe Diem CD Message-ID: <>

    Has anyone heard what the shipping schedule for Carpe Diem is? I was one of the first people who ordered it when Marcel originally posted about it, and I heven't received mine yet. I've tried emailing marcel but I must have the wrong address for him. If anyone who knows what's happening with the shipping delays, could you please email me privately? Thanks.


    Scott Cook <>

    "Guess I must be dumb, she had a pocket full of horses Trojans (some of them used) But it was Saturday night, I guess that makes it alright You say What've I got to lose?"


    Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 17:12:30 -0500 (CDT) From: Bigman <> To: Subject: skip this... Message-ID: <>

    /DaBigman barks at D-man :^)

    I gotta get a 'puter at home...

    yo soy el hombre grande


    Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 18:43:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Aladdin <> To: The BafuJam <> Subject: Flying to the Ytsecon III Message-ID: <>

    Dear Jammers,

    Hey there! Here's a quick update for the YtseCon III:

    Management called me back and they told me that Dream Theater are aware of the YtseCon and they are cool about it. So, things are really really good for us!

    Anyways, the convention will be at the La Guardia Marriot on October 12th (the Saturday of the Columbus Day Weekend). It will be from 1pm to 5pm, and the chances of ALL of the members of Dream Theater being there are really really good =).

    If you plan to fly into NYC for the Dream Theater convention, then call Rich World Wide travel at 1-800-431-1130, and tell them that you will be attending the Dream Theater convention. The travel agency will take care of you.

    Again, if you plan on attending the Dream Theater convention, please e-mail Chris Merlo at Let him know if you will be either definitely going, or possibly going, and tell how many people you will be definitely/possibly bringing. Also, if you plan to stay at the Marriot, then also mention that to him.

    Well, that's all from here! I will be keeping close contact with management and I will let you guys know if anything happens. Well, I'll talk to you guys later!

    Yours, Jeff =)

    <*> Jeff Chew <*> <*> <*> <*> Columbia University <*> (516) 674-4828 <*> Beeper (917) 712-4828 <*> <*> <*> "Aladdin! You just won the heart of the princess! What are you gonna do next?" --- Genie, Disney's Aladdin


    Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 08:42:07 +0000 From: To: Subject: Savatage Message-ID: <>

    Thank You Jammers!!

    I picked up my first Savatage CD last week. I have been playing none stop since then. These guys are an awesome blend of musical influence. I've already lost the CD case so I guess I'll just have to leave it in my CD player at home, but still have DT in car and at work. The title had something about Rain in it??, only looked at the case once but the artwork looked kewl. Can anyone recommend, in ITHO, my next Sav purchase.

    YtseJam influenced CD buys: Fates Warning, Death, Galatic CB & Savatage.

    Thanx All,

    Brett: Ytse-Oz


    Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 16:07:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Steve Borzilleri <> To: Dream Thespians <> Subject: Mojoman, Hidden Messages, Survey Message-ID: <>

    > From: "Frank Benenati" <> > Subject: GANDALF, STOP SMOKING CRACK!!!!!!!!

    That's what I like about Mojoman - no fluff, right to the point. :)

    Notice his first name.

    > > Alex is certainly the most overlooked member of RUSH, and wrongly so. > > If you were in a band with Geddy Lee and Neal would be > overlooked too....

    Unless you were Jimi Hendrix.


    Geez! Isn't this in the FAQ?! Once again, YES, Derek Sherinian IS in Wayne's World. The part with Alice Cooper, he's in the background.

    ---- > From: (Robert Quezada) > Subject: CD Player w/ Lyric display available (w/ DT lyrics) > > I just wanted to let you know that I put my CD Player on my home page.

    You mean a visitor of your home page can listen to any of your cds?

    ---- > Date: Sun, 2 Jun 1996 23:31:50 -0700 > From: "Steven C. Young" <> > Subject: Ytse-Survey Intl: FINAL RESULTS (It's finally over -- QR takes > it)

    Interesting subject: stuff...

    > *** YSI Final Top 20 *** > 1) Queensryche (59 votes) -> They made quite a surge this final week. > 2) Rush (54) -> The upset victims led the YSI until just the last few > days. > 3) Fates Warning (39) -> They have controlled the #3 slot most of the > way. > 4) Metallica (28) -> They came out of nowhere about 10 days ago. > 5) Savatage (25) -> Got a lot of votes the last week and a half. > > Congrats to Queensryche - Next to DT, they rule the 'Jam.

    Gee, what do you think would happen if someone were to forward these survey results to the Queensryche list? Just thinking about it kind of reminds me of that Shannon Hoon / John Petrucci thing from the guitar mags a while back... Of course, we'd be Petrucci in this case. ;)

    Bafu Vai


    Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 18:30:15 -0500 (CDT) From: Sava Web <> To: Subject: Re: Savatage Message-ID: <199606052330.SAA06898@parka>

    > > Thank You Jammers!! > > I picked up my first Savatage CD last week. I have been playing none > stop since then. These guys are an awesome blend of musical > influence. I've already lost the CD case so I guess I'll just have > to leave it in my CD player at home, but still have DT in car and at > work. The title had something about Rain in it??, only looked at the > case once but the artwork looked kewl. Can anyone recommend, in > ITHO, my next Sav purchase.

    I would recommend the newest release, Dead Winter Dead. It is a good step forward from musically "Handful of Rain". I think the Handful of Rain CD cover is probably one of my least favorite (it is too plain).

    BTW, I am listening to DWD, right now!!

    Also you can read reviews on all Savatage releases , download many samples & tabs, check out the picture archive, and keep up to date on the the latest Sava happenings on the Savatage Fan Homepage. > > >

    nathan bradley


    Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 17:34:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Doug Cronkhite <> To: Subject: Metallica & Kevin Gilbert Message-ID: <>

    Two different subjects I know.. but here goes..

    I was a little unsure what to think about the "new" Metallica, but after a few listens... I like it. It's definitely an evolution type of CD. They're not the same band they used to be.. but frankly, I'm glad. I get bored very quickly with a band that doesn't change and grow. Compare WDADU with Awake.. It's DT on both CD's but Awake is dramatically different from WDADU, and from IAW for that matter. Would DT be a good band if they stayed the same as they were on WDADU ?? Yes.. Would they be as interesting to me... NO. Why wait 5 years (in Metallica's case) to hear the same CD again.. BORING.. I have to agree with a previous jammer though... the hair thing is really bad.. like some publicist guys sat around and said.. "hey.. nobody has long hair anymore.. if you want to sell to the kids today.. you need to have short hair and look like Soundgarden". I mean... Kirk looks like some freak of nature/Chris Cornell on smack/ beaten with an ugly stick/ too much makeup Alice Cooper wanna-be. Whatever happened to people just being themselves without resorting to following a fad ???

    Different subject... Kevin Gilbert was a friend of mine back in his Toy Matinee days.. One of the most driven musicians I've ever met. Meticulous to a fault, and a firm grasp on his vision.. Speaking of a firm grasp.. his death was really bizarre.. the actual cause of death is now listed as "Autoerotic Accidental Asphyxiation". Yep.. he died choking himself while whackin off.. pretty wierd.. but then Kevin was a wierd guy..

    Has anyone heard who is going to be doing the DT album ??? Let us all join hands and pray that nobody calls Bob Rock.. He may be a good producer, but he seems to be the one responsible for taking the teeth out of Metallica's music..

    Oh well.. enough rambling...



    Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 18:45:00 -0600 (MDT) From: (DUSTY VESTAL) To: Subject: Savatage advice... Message-ID: <>

    Glad to hear you liked "Handful of Rain"...I loved that cd as well, although my favorite is probably "Edge of Thorns"...."Dead Winter Dead" is probably my least favorite...Don't get me wrong, it's a good album, but I like albums with alot of vocals and singing and there isn't alot of those on "Dead Winter Dead"....Plus I had to listen to Jon O's voice<g>, which is hard for me to stomach...I know it's a matter of taste though. It's just that his voice is TOO scratchy for my tastes..I just LOVE the deep throaty voice of Zach. It makes the music sound so powerful... ..TAKE CARE....DUSTY

    |__________________________________________________________| |"Likely or not, it's a dream that we keep and at odds with| | our senses we'll climb. But if faith is the answer, we've| | already reached it, and if spirit's a sign, then it's | | only a matter of time" ---- DREAM THEATER | | | | ( : | |__________________________________________________________|


    Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 20:47:10 -0400 From: To: Subject: Stuff Message-ID: <>

    Hey! remember me? Anyway, I have a couple of thoughts on my mind. First, Metallica. I saw the new video finaly, and I think the band actually looks good. The new image fits them well. Also, I got Load today (I'm a day or two behind the rest of the world being that I live in ARKVILLE and I had to wait until my friend drove 45 miles to pick up the album for me) and I actually like some it to an extent. My favorite songs are Until It Sleeps, King Nothing, Cure, and Mama Said. The only songs I really don't like are 2X4, Poor Twisted Me, and Ronnie Now, I am going crazy. On MondayI saw saomone on the WWF said "PF all the things I've lost I think I miss my mind the most". Who said this?! I know I've heard it on the jam, so that's why I'm asking you guys. Well I gotta go. See ya on IRC! later--------------Brian


    Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 17:50:56 -0700 From: John Hough <> To: Subject: Subcon copies Message-ID: <>

    > > It WILL sound exactly the same as the original. > It WILL NOT look exactly the same as the original. > It WILL cost the same as the original. $25 U.S. > OOOhhh what a bargain!

    There are people who are on a dubsite list who are doing it for FREE! I am one of them!!!

    John Hough - G O P A D R E S !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! **************************************************** Record: W - 35 L - 23 1st Place

    Tony Gwynn watch for 7th batting title: .347 (06/5/96) 2nd Place


    Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 17:50:57 -0700 From: John Hough <> To: Subject: IRC Message-ID: <>

    Let's get an IRC thing happening! I just figured out how to get on it and I want to chat with some fellow jammers! Any jammers in the bay area? I am moving up there next week and want to hook up with anyone. I will be going to the scorps show on the 29th. Later

    Anyone want to set a time and date for the IRC?

    John Hough - G O P A D R E S !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! **************************************************** Record: W - 35 L - 23 1st Place

    Tony Gwynn watch for 7th batting title: .347 (06/5/96) 2nd Place


    Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 21:22:13 -0400 From: To: Subject: Evolution (VERY Little DTC) Message-ID: <>

    I have not been on the JAM for the last Year and a half, but I guess some things don't change. There are still these pointless little vignettes played out over pages and pages of STUFF, and through it all are some really cool tidbits of information and entertainment. I finally caught up on my JAMS today (after spending about 5 hours at work reading them from disk). I am primarily a lurker who will come out of the woodwork occasionally to state my opinion. I will try and make this as brief as possible ( some of you should take a lesson ;) ).

    Now about evolution versus creation... oops, wrong list...

    Now about the evolution of bands: A lot of talk has been raised over Metallica's supposed selling out of their fans/music. I want to point out that this is a stage almost all bands have to go through in order to survive and prosper in the music industry.

    For example, Rush and YES. They were quite well known for a long time, building a fan base steadily, but not phenomenally. They produced superlative music, but never achieved the success and notoriety (awards, #'1s, MONEY), of the biggest bands. These bands finally DID get #'1s, and the recognition and notoriety they deserved AFTER they modified their songs to be more palatable to a finicky music industry that can turn on a dime. I often wonder if these format changes are really that bad though. I mean if you had never ever heard a song by Metallica before, what would you think of 2X4 off of their new album?? Can you think of ANY MEGA success that has songs longer than 6 minutes on the radio or TV?? Any radical 5-minute solos earning any band a top 40 slot?? That may be what WE want to hear, but we are a minority in a world that would rather listen to Green Day than ACoS. What are you nay sayers going to do when(IF) our beloved DT puts out a record with highly produced, shorter songs?? I for one am going to listen to see if it is any better than the other crap out there.

    I tried to be brief, But alas, it could not be done. AND I did not even say HALF of what I planned on saying (and this is the second edit!!). I guess that means I will be back..

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    Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 18:36:41 -0700 From: Ben Laussade <> To: Subject: Endings. Message-ID: <>

    >Just saw 'The Prophecy'.... I was rather disappointed. The ending was to >quick... no suspenese or anything. I mean Lucifer just comes and rips the >guy's heart out, the soul comes out of the little girl, and that's it...

    But, it was SATAN. If you were the devil, would your foremost goal be to make the movie good? Besides, he walks outside and turns into birds. How can you beat that? :-)

    >Forgive my ignorance, but how do I get on the Metropolis list? >

    First, you have to get down and beg me. Then you send me $100 in small unmarked bills. Then, I'll let you on.

    Everybody post more. This "one jam a day" thing sux. :-)

    And I listen openly... Ben Laussade


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