YTSEJAM digest 1609

Date: Fri Jun 07 1996 - 17:01:22 EDT

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    Today's Topics:

      1) Screaming??!!!
     by (Seth Hatlelid)
      2) replies to Skadz's ramblings
     by (Ernesto Schnack)
      3) I am a loser
     by The Digital Man <>
      4) Skadz
     by Mithrandir <>
      5) This is why you
     by The Digital Man <>
      6) upcoming portnoy clinics
      7) !!!!!! NEW SUPERIOR ORDER SOURCE !!!!!!
     by Bernd Basmer <>
      8) Load and DT
     by Michael Bahr <>
     by (jskewes)
     10) irc help
     by Pat Daugherty <>
     12) Shadow Gallery "Carved In Stone"
     13) Birthdays, Checkouts, Clinics
     by Steve Borzilleri <>
     14) Skadz cheats
     15) My New E-Mail Address.. RAH!!!
     by (Elliott Kim)
     16) (U)Metalli-gridlockers
     by "Steven Johnson" <>
     17) Savatage
     by Kris Claerhout <>
     18) James Murphy (ndtc)
     by (Kevin Madden)
     19) Liar & no 10s :(
     by John McCabe <>
     20) New Metallica (again and again)
     by Andrija Bosnjakovic <>
     21) 2 of a kind
     by John McCabe <>
     22) Re: Skadz
     by Andrew Keegan <>


    Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 23:36:32 -0500
    From: (Seth Hatlelid)
    Subject: Screaming??!!!
    Message-ID: <v01510101addd5a3eea88@[]>

    Hiya guys,

    >Seth screamed on this.

    WTF???!!!!! Ernie, just what are you talking about? I don't even have
    cable so I don't have Empty-V, so I have NO idea what "Until it Sleeps" is
    based on. For all I know, it could be about the time when James got so
    drunk his left butt-cheek fell asleep; now whenever his ass tingles he
    knows he's had enough, so he goes home to sleep it off? ;-)

    I'm also not all that into paintings as an art medium.

    As to Ben's question about Dragonheart being worthy of his ytse-cash, IT is
    most definately worth it. Most fantasy films suck whale spleen because the
    special effects for dragons and magic and faeries just aren't convincing,
    but Dragonheart really delivers. Surprisingly, DH made a great date movie.
    I'd recommend it over Twister, because the plot was better (wait, did
    Twister have a plot or was it just run from one specila effect to the next?
    hmmmmm). DH was really almost cute in some parts (I wanted to take Draco
    home with me) and pretty war/gore at some others (love that kid getting
    pierced by the spike)
    One thing though, did anybody think that the heroes voice sounded exactly
    like Beetlejuice?!!!

    Maybe DT will start getting jobs doing more movie soundtracks, commercials,
    video games because Petrrucci did Necronomicon (stupid name for a pinball
    game). If Danzig can do the theme song for "McKenna", DT can do just about
    anything (the new prog KFC jingle?!!!)

    That's all for now.
    Seth Hatlelid

    "Never take Hamburgler on a date to Burger King!"


    Date: Fri, 7 Jun 1996 00:01:41 -0400
    From: (Ernesto Schnack)
    Subject: replies to Skadz's ramblings
    Message-ID: <>

    >Well, I am Jesus, and it definately isn't the way to get to heaven :)

    Ha! you too, eh? I guess everybody w/ long, dark brown hair is Jesus;)

    >Yes, this is a free country (well, kinda, but that's for another
    >mailing list) and a free list (cuz I don't have the time or
    >patience to moderate it) and metropolis doesn't really exist
    >(cuz Ken doesn't have the time)

    why is it that list moderators are always busy? Is it that really busy
    people get this sudden urge to run a mailing list,or is it some kinda virus?:)

    >More from the Loadless Ernie:

    ..and still Loadless at that (sniff):'(

    >> Curious comments on the new Pantera...what happened to Phil? He used to do
    >> some really kik-ass screams, but on this one he *really* sounds like he's
    >> throwing up.
    >You mean that scream at the beginning of the album doesn't totally
    >kick your ass???? Your CD must be defective, try some toothpaste :)

    Oh, you mean the
    gasping-for-breath? heck yeah! But just about every other scream on that CD
    just doesn't appeal to the 'agressive person' in me.":) besides...Seth
    screamed on that:)

    C-ya, wouldn't wanna B-ya!!
    Ernie :)


    Date: Fri, 7 Jun 1996 01:01:06 -0400
    From: The Digital Man <>
    Subject: I am a loser
    Message-ID: <>

    I am
    I really am

    I just plain suck


    I am not kidding



    Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 22:01:34 -0700 (PDT)
    From: Mithrandir <>
    Subject: Skadz
    Message-ID: <>

         I just thought that I would post my opinions of Mr. Skadz. I believe
    that the comment about "That laim school in Huntington" thing was aimed
    directly at me and my alumnus St. Anthony's. Well let us just say that I
    know two other graduates from your High school, and they are both freaks. I
    guess that your mother got smart after you graduated from Chaminade, and
    sent her to a real school. Well at least you are an Islander fan unlike
    Mooojoman. I think we should ask the members of DT who they like in hockey.
    I know that John Myung is an Islander fan, so I guess he's smart.

          Frank, I'm sorry to have used you as an example. You still are one of
    the coolest people I know, and am proud to call you a friend ( enjoy TSM
    single). Oh yeah, it looks like BD this weekend ( Personal joke ).

         Ytse-Ben, The easiest way to tell if a song is changing tempo is to
    "chick" the high hats. If when you are playing the song, the pace of the
    "chick" stays the same, then it is the same tempo. That is not to say that
    the time signature is not changing though. When you go from 4/4 to 6/8 your
    beats per minute will change, but the feel of the tempo should remain the same.

    P.S. Hey Frank, my quote will be " Sorry about that " yet again, Laughs!!!!!
                         Elen sila lumenn omentilmo, Mithrandir


    Date: Fri, 7 Jun 1996 01:02:06 -0400
    From: The Digital Man <>
    Subject: This is why you
    Message-ID: <>

    don't trust other people with your password




    Date: Fri, 7 Jun 1996 03:40:01 -0400
    Subject: upcoming portnoy clinics
    Message-ID: <>

    is anyone going to mike's clinic in tampa,florida this saturday (june 8th)??
    if so, give us a report. i heard he's been playing along to new dt songs.
    same goes for any ytse-jammers down under who are gonna see him on his
    australian clinic tour next week. thanks!!


    Date: Fri, 7 Jun 1996 11:10:55 +0200
    From: Bernd Basmer <>
    Subject: !!!!!! NEW SUPERIOR ORDER SOURCE !!!!!!
    Message-ID: <>


    First, I'd like to thank Jason Skewes for his great work and
    for all he has done for the band Superior. Without him most of
    you, who ordered our CD, would have had to pay much more for
    it because of the high costs for shipment. Thanks Jason. You rule!

    YOUR SUPERIOR-CD DIRECTLY!!! Please email or

    for details. These people have a Mail-order company and they
    sell the CDs from now on.

    You can also order by snail-mail:
    Empire Entertainment
    P.O. Box 1756
    Sebastopol, CA 95473

    I don't have the address of Apocalypse-music with me at the moment,
    but I'll pass it to you later.

    Jason will no longer take orders! So please don't send him
    your orders anymore. The ones who ordered in the last few
    weeks and didn't get the CD 'til now , don't worry! I'll
    send the next shipment away when Jason's last order arrives here.
    This will probably be at the end of next week, or so.
    That means you will get your CDs from Jason. But you're the
    last ones who will be served by him.



    Bernd. (


    Date: Fri, 7 Jun 1996 03:11:32 -0700 (MST)
    From: Michael Bahr <>
    Subject: Load and DT
    Message-ID: <>

            I agree with Jon Parmet. Load is a great album... Metallica can't
    go on making albums full of palm-muted thrash exercises like Four
    Horsemen, Damage Inc, or Trapped Under Ice. Load itself has about...
    well, 12 songs that immediately jump out and grab me as "good" (I don't
    care for the first two yet... Bitch and 2x4... but they'll grow), and
    there are at least four clear masterpieces on the CD in my opinion: The
    House Jack Built, Bleeding Me, Mama Said, and Hero Of The Day. Until It
    Sleeps is a runner-up... it grooves, but gets cranking a bit too late.

            The key here is that Metallica is exploring music in a way that
    Rush and Dream theater tend to: they're trying new sonic approaches,
    new structure, and a big thumbs-up to longer songs! A very long song
    anchors each half of Load. If DT had made WDADU-II instead of Images &
    Words, in other words another album full of thoughtful songwriting that
    wanders a bit too much, melodies that could have been made better, and
    songs that are intriguing and intense but lack hooks or memorable broken
    boundaries, then we wouldn't have thought much of Images and it would
    have been a very stale album. Same for Metallica.. they have to write
    what's new and exciting to them, regardless of their track record.

            I'm particularly interested in what I hear about Mama Said.
    Clearly the most different Metallica song ever made, this one combines
    some very diverse and cohesive elements from different genres and creates
    a song that really flows well and has some fantastic harmony work. I
    haven't heard harmonies done in that style since The Last Unicorn. "All
    that I ask of you..." etc. The slide guitar, a new element in Metallica,
    is almost subsidiary to the good song structure and thoughtful lyrics,
    including a reference to Blade Runner ("The brightest flame burns
    quickest") and shades of the soft side of Dyers' Eve. Now on the one
    hand, all my DT-loving buddies dig this song bigtime. All my Metallica
    fan friends who aren't much into DT and Rush don't think too much of
    it. I think that as progressive fans our horizons widen a bit.

            Just my opinion.

    - voluntas vincit omnia - Mike Bahr - -

    P.S. Scenes From A Memory has begun shipping. Expect yours soon! If you
    haven't ordered it yet... WHY NOT?!?! :) E-mail me for all the details.


    Date: Fri, 07 Jun 1996 05:29:18 -0500
    From: (jskewes)
    Message-ID: <>

    Did ya read the title.....??!?!?

    SUPERIOR will now begin to have their album 'behind' distributed by a REAL
    distributor. The company is EMPIRE ENTERTAINMENT.

    If you've sent your order to me, you will still get your CD. If you haven't
    sent one to me, but you were about to, DON'T. Instead, contact Bernd at:

    and he can point you in the right direction.

    Looks like these guys finally got noticed here!!! I'm excited for them.
    Hope it's the beginning of something BIG.

    If you have amy questions, e-mail me.

    (I'll be out of town til Sunday though, so it'll take me a few days to get
    back to you.)

    Thanks for all your support!


    Date: Fri, 7 Jun 1996 09:08:28 -0400 (EDT)
    From: Pat Daugherty <>
    To: Dream Theater Mailing List <>
    Subject: irc help
    Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.960607090617.6347A@bdmserver>

    I've never been able to get irc to work right.


    What gives?

    | Pat Daugherty |
    | "Every breath leaves me one less to my last" --Dream Theater |
    | "That is not an option, Mr. Mulder" --X-Files |
    |The Baltimore Orioles-The team to beat in 1996!!!!!!! | Go DC United! |


    Date: Fri, 7 Jun 96 11:50:08 -24000
    To: <>
    Subject: Shadow Gallery "Carved In Stone"
    Message-ID: <vines.3hH8+e,>

    I just got Shadow Gallery's "Carved In Stone" (thanks to everyone who
    recommended them). I noticed that the sleeve lists 13 tracks, yet my CD
    player registers 20. I'm assuming that the last track which is 22 minutes
    must be broken up into smaller tracks...

    Am I missing any of the song since my CD player only goes up to 20 tracks?
    Just wondering.

    PS - This album is great.


    Date: Fri, 7 Jun 1996 09:30:05 -0700 (PDT)
    From: Steve Borzilleri <>
    To: Dream Thespians <>
    Subject: Birthdays, Checkouts, Clinics
    Message-ID: <>

    1. Well since I wasn't able to be here for part of yesterday to do this,


    2. Checkout in one hour. UW's been interesting. I think I'll be back.

    3. See ya'll at the clinic. ;)

    4. "This prophecy Merlin shall make, for I live before his time."
                                                    --Fool, "King Lear"



    Date: Fri, 07 Jun 1996 10:56:22 -0600
    Subject: Skadz cheats
    Message-ID: <s1b80a53.002@IOMEGA.COM>

    Hey Skadz,
       Just because you got an EOJ with one jam doesn't mean you can
    repost the whole jam again, increment the number as a new jam and
    count it as another EOJ ;> I tell ya, supervisors get too many
    perks-it just isn't fair.



    Date: Fri, 7 Jun 1996 14:00:49 -0400
    From: (Elliott Kim)
    Subject: My New E-Mail Address.. RAH!!!
    Message-ID: <>


    I have jumped on the "Jammers who have ditched AOL" bandwagon!!! My new
    e-mail address is:


    That is where I will be receiving/reading/replying to my mail from now on...
    or at least until further notice... After all, this is the 4th address from
    which I've subscribed to the Jam in a little over a year...

    So, if you're one of the cool people on the Jam... e-mail me at from now on. I will keep the AOL account active for a
    couple more weeks, to clean up all the loose ends that always come up when
    switching e-mail addresses...

    Coming soon.... my own homepage!!! Details forthcoming...

    Elliott Kim,
    No funky ASCII doodles...No profound quotes...Just a plain ol' .signature


    Date: 07 Jun 1996 10:51:10 GMT
    From: "Steven Johnson" <>
    Subject: (U)Metalli-gridlockers
    Message-ID: <>

    I'm looking through the Friday section of the Chicago Tribune and they review
    the new Metallica album and acoompany the text with a photo. I know it's about
    the music, but (especially after hearing Jam reviews of the album being closer
    to TBA, though not a clone) their image in the pic it ridiculous! A fedora on
    Kirk Hammet? Late '70s/early '80s shirts?!?! They fuckin' look like Van Halen
    on the 1984 album? And people are trying to tell me these guys still lead
    theway for the metal genre?

    HEADLINE: "Metallica goes for shiny mainstream sound on its latest album"

    "The new release sounds tame....and strangely dated (you call this maturing?).
    The group's songwriting and arranging have improved in a commercial sense.
    Metallica can no-longer be considered a speed-metal band.

    "'2X4' attempts a bit of a greasy Aerosmith-like groove, 'Ronnie' appropriates
    a bluesy Savoy Brown riff, 'Till it Sleeps' aspires to the granduer of a Led
    Zeppelin ballad."

    "But the album is far from an embarrasment, though 'Load' is easily the band's
    _least innovative_ (oh, sure...they're maturing and progressing nicely--Hootic
    a and the Metalfish)."

    I'll finalize my own judgement when I hear the disc myself. But don't mistake
    change in direction for maturation. You can musically mature without selling
    out. I finally heard the single and I must say I'm disappointed.

    Bold for them? Yes. Good for metal fans. No.


    "You may remember me from such movies as 'Dial M for
    Murderousness' and 'The Erotic Adventures of Hurcules'"
                                               - actor Troy McClure


    Date: Fri, 7 Jun 1996 13:59:16 -0400
    From: Kris Claerhout <>
    To: "" <>
    Subject: Savatage
    Message-ID: <>

    I worked with them for the warp-up show in Heino Holland and the Dynamo. I
    was the Dutch Promoter rep and they kicked ass live! They got Vinnie
    Kowalski (Dream Theater) as a engeneer with them!



    Date: Fri, 7 Jun 1996 18:46:34 GMT
    From: (Kevin Madden)
    Subject: James Murphy (ndtc)
    Message-ID: <>

    Ok, fans go ahead...
    >>Hi Kevin,
    >>Thanks for writing me, Yes it's cool to give out my email address. I look

    >>forward to hearing from anyone who is interested in my activities post -
    >>Thanks, James Murphy -



    Date: Fri, 7 Jun 1996 15:11:01 -0400 (EDT) From: John McCabe <> To: Subject: Liar & no 10s :( Message-ID: <>

    >I have not been on the JAM for the last Year and a half, but I guess some You liar you were just on the last jam! Do I get reward? ;D --------- Hey, how come nobody is sending me their TOP 10 lists of musicans with their instrustments! Send it to:



    Date: Fri, 7 Jun 1996 21:29:19 +0200 (MET DST) From: Andrija Bosnjakovic <> To: Subject: New Metallica (again and again) Message-ID: <>

    So, here is my little contribution to 'Load' discussion: 1. Short hairs S.U.C.K! 2. New logo looks as good as the album cover does. 3. Album cover looks as attractive as it's name is. 4. About the music on the CD (finally) - this is only Metallica record that didn't come in my ears at first. I'm listening to it intensively for a few days, but I don't like it as much as previous five records. It is not bad, but ... not my type.

    Andrija Bosnjakovic (


    Date: Fri, 7 Jun 1996 15:31:58 -0400 (EDT) From: John McCabe <> To: Subject: 2 of a kind Message-ID: <>

    I got 2 of the same jam? This is just to increase skadz ratio of EoJ, right? Also, someone wrote awhile back what was Jimmy moaning at the end of PMU. Well, I don't know but could someone please tell me!

    John "I never said I wouldn't play with you, I say _maybe_ I wouldn't play with you" -Annoying kid next door


    Date: Fri, 7 Jun 1996 16:53:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Andrew Keegan <> To: Cc: Multiple recipients of list <> Subject: Re: Skadz Message-ID: <>

    On Thu, 6 Jun 1996, Mithrandir wrote:

    > I just thought that I would post my opinions of Mr. Skadz. I believe > that the comment about "That laim school in Huntington" thing was aimed > directly at me and my alumnus St. Anthony's.

    You went to high school with St. Anthony? cool! So, what's you and St. Ant's Alma Mater?

    > Well let us just say that I > know two other graduates from your High school, and they are both freaks. I

    Skadz runs the Marillion list, and I'm on it, so I guess we are 'Freaks'. Is that supposed to be an insult. <--- Itchy says no.



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