YTSEJAM Digest 1616
Today's Topics:
1) i'm getting tired of this metallica stuff, but i still have another few words to say
by RipZero <ripzero@dreamt.org>
2) attn. Brain Cox
by rbarker@epix.net
3) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1615
by "George Bast (CS)" <bast@babbage.csee.usf.edu>
4) Re: The Generrica JAM
by hawkeye7@ix.netcom.com (Larry Odneal)
5) I&W Fanzine
by borlangw <borlangw@dcs.gla.ac.uk>
6) Dumbasses, irc, Mojo and DT new songs
by akyuz@ltp.dmx.epfl.ch
7) A Change of Seasons
by CNG@tcco.com
8) Keu, MirthMan, and the monster I've created....
by "Frank Benenati" <mojonet@pb.net>
9) Scenes #066
by Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
10) things
by WildKoba@aol.com
11) YTSEJAM digest 1614 -Reply
by BILL HUSTON <HUSTON@IOMEGA.COM>
12) Welcome to the Garden Party !
by Mark Bredius <bredius@GlobalXS.nl>
13) Espanol & Cummy Blood
by tormato@allinux1.alliance.net (Jeremy Hyde)
14) Load/DT news/READ THIS GODDAMMIT!
by sw0101@aixrs1.hrz.uni-essen.de (Steffen Barabasch)
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Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 00:03:24 -0500
From: RipZero <ripzero@dreamt.org>
To: Heavy Metal Computer Nerds <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: i'm getting tired of this metallica stuff, but i still have another few words to say
Message-ID: <31BCFE1C.7FE9@dreamt.org>
>Metallica sells out because your local store doesn't carry the album
>cheaply? Sorry, that doesn't cut it. It was $11.99 at my local
>Blockbuster Music. It's not Metallica's decision, but the record
>company's, I'm fairly sure.
First off, i didnt say sells out, i said rips people off. :)
secondly, i distincly remember within the last few years whenever i
went cd buggin' all the metallica was way more expensive than the
rest... yes i've seen the new one for 9 dollars so that cuts my
arguement off right there, but also i also just remember always
noticing their cds were a bit more, not from just one cd shop down here
because i go all over the place. i'm guessing though that i can go
down to a used cd shop tomorrow and pick up load for 5 dollars because
someone didnt like it and already sold it anyway :P
actually used cd places are great for bootlegs, this one joint down here
always has bootlegs for 15 dollars and stuff, i plan to pick up a few =)
"God gave rock and roll to you... gave rock and rollllllll to everyone"
bill and ted flicks kick ass :)
~Rip
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Date: Tue, 11 Jun 96 01:23:13 PDT
From: rbarker@epix.net
To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: attn. Brain Cox
Message-ID: <Chameleon.960611012435.rbarker@.epix.net>
Hey, Andrew Miller from Delaware asked me to ask you to
e-mail him. His address is ytsejam@udel.edu
Rob Barker (Ibanez)
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Name: Barker
E-mail: rbarker@epix.net
Date: 6/11/96
Time: 1:23:14 AM
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Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 02:17:22 -0400 (EDT)
From: "George Bast (CS)" <bast@babbage.csee.usf.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1615
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.92.960611015028.21771B-100000@babbage>
Someone asked what the new song 'You or Me' sounds like. Well, from what
I remember, it doesn't really resemble anything DT has previously done.
It's definitely NOT a ballad. It was really hard to get a feel of the
song at the clinic, because Mike's drumming really over-powered the DAT.
I believe there was a good amount of keys (maybe why Derek likes it so
much), and it had a real good groove. James vocals were whispery during
the verses and then strengthened during the chorus, where I believe he
repeatedly sings the line 'You or Me'.
Now, please remember this is a loose description of what I heard. I
really wish I had taped it, but I lack the equipment to do so. Hopefully,
Mike will be doing some more clinics and offering a taste of this song. I
do know that it wasn't a long tune, probably between 4-5 minutes. And the
fact that it wasn't entirely complex, it's probably a candidate for a
release. Mike didn't say that, it's just my opinion.
Oh, and to answer the question of who sponsored the clinic, it seemed that
Tama was the main sponsor, since they had a Tama rep there to introduce
Mike. I think Sabian cymbals was also a sponsor.
Later
George Bast
bast@babbage.csee.usf.edu
bast@suntan.eng.usf.edu
http://www.csee.usf.edu
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Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 00:19:50 -0700
From: hawkeye7@ix.netcom.com (Larry Odneal)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: The Generrica JAM
Message-ID: <199606110719.AAA28011@dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com>
DnD wrote:
>later--------------Brian (It's good too be back...I feel like posting
>a lot again!)
>
I, for one, am just thrilled . . . NOT!
and:
>Metallica is not Metallica anymore.
That's correct - they are now GENERRICA!
RipZero wrote:
> theres already a million bands who are formatted for lollapalooza and
>the radio today and doing all that stuff and the fact that metallica's
>falling into this means one less outsider metal band and one more of
>the already infinate "MTV generation" bands...
>
Yup . . .Generrica. I rest my case.
/me dons his asbestos skivvies and awaits the inevitable electronic
flammage
Sir Reality
p.s. Go Avalanche! It's a great night to be a Coloradan!
Swish, swish, SWISH! ("Sweeping" sound) Sorry Partha!
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Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 11:15:19 +0100
From: borlangw <borlangw@dcs.gla.ac.uk>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: I&W Fanzine
Message-ID: <9606111015.AA17921@barren.dcs.gla.ac.uk>
Fanzine #10 popped through the letterbox this morning. Very nice! Lots of cool
info on the new album, and a trendy new font for the editorial ;-)
Hoping Neil Elliot can clear this up . . . what happens to existing I&W
subscribers regarding fan club membership? Do we just wait until this
subscription runs out before we join up?
Oh . . . ummm . . . what's the name of Derek's side project bar band? ;-)
Graham B.
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Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 13:40:22 +0200
From: akyuz@ltp.dmx.epfl.ch
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Dumbasses, irc, Mojo and DT new songs
Message-ID: <v02130500ade307c5e22e@[128.178.99.94]>
>Iced Earth - nice stuff, I'll have to get something by this band
They're still around?
>2. Why do so many people on mailing lists (not just this one) have pseudonyms?
>Can't face reality huh?
This is NOT reality.
>Using irc from my brother's account:
>I type irc
>I get connected to some server
>I type /server irc.dreamt.org 2112
How do you get an account, BTW?
I have a .ch domain account, is this enough?
>From: "Frank Benenati" <mojonet@pb.net>
>
>communication...FURTHER MORE, I am offended at the fact that you jumped
>all over my post when it was something spoken in complete jest!....So
>>>Mojo: i was also offended by your post. the thing is, how can someone who
does not know you at all understand that what you typed is a joke? i'm
sitting here reading words on a screen, nothing more.<<<<<<
Mojo: remember my private post about some "digital coldness of typed
words"??? That's what's happening now. And it's pretty shitty. I don't mean
that this kind of stuff shouldn't be on the jam, though.
Finally, is there any way of listening to some of the new DT songs on the
WEB? Has anyone taped a clinic and put it on the Net?
(Hey, that last one WAS DTC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Wow, I did it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
That seems to be more difficult than getting an EOJ these days,)
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Dave King
"I'm all alone to..."
"holding on is easier than letting go" (fw)
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Date: Tue, 11 Jun 96 9:22:06 EDT
From: CNG@tcco.com
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: A Change of Seasons
Message-ID: <vines.3hH8+S8LjlA@tcx.tcco.com>
Does anyone have a transcription of this song? I have called every music
store I can think of and no one can tell me whether or not a songbook was
released. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
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Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 09:24:52 -0400
From: "Frank Benenati" <mojonet@pb.net>
To: "ytsejam@ax.com" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Keu, MirthMan, and the monster I've created....
Message-ID: <199606111326.GAA15886@mindcrime.ax.com>
> ------------------------------
> From: Mithrandir <mithrandir@pb.net>
>
> D-Man: God has helped me, thank you very much. Afterall he did send me
to a
> High School that allowed Girls amongst us guys. You do know what girls
are,
> don't you? Heard in the halls at Chaminade " Brother, how come your
robes
> are bulging? Shut up and just keep stroking, will you".
I was going to defend that old school on Emory and Jackson.......
But that was too fucking funny.....
/me shakes mirthmoonwalkers hand
>
> Tori Amos on the 25th, unplugs her vibrator. You mean she may actually
sit
> still on the piano bench?
>
DAMN.....I ain't gonna go see her now!
> Raise the knife: I was played the afore mentioned song this weekend, and
all
> I have to say is WOW!!!!!!! DT's next album will not be straight forward
4/4
> rock. I must say I was very impressed.
>
Hey John......Ura Penis!
> Open question to all jammers. I'm thinking of letting one of my two
friends
> with web pages have My brother-in-laws 1985 Kings Park yearbook, you
know
> the one with JP, JM, and KM's pictures in it. Would anyone be interested
in
> viewing what they looked like 12 years ago?
>
Hmmmmmm..........uuuhhh......let me think about that
one......hhhhhmmmmmm.....
Oooooh.......FUCK YES!!!!!
> WildKoba: Glad to see you've come back to us. Now maybe we can get
together
> and jam with Mojo, Its, D-Man, and myself.
>
Kudus on that one, Mr Koba....
> Looks like it's going to be a long, hot, sultry summer!!!!!!!!!
>
Ugh....
> M I T H R A N D I R P R O F E S S E S
>
> W I S E L Y !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
^^^^^^^^^ Ura Penis!!
> Ellens silk laundry wrapped around my nose,
Mithrandir
> ------------------------------
>
>
> From: "Steven Johnson" <svjohnson@amoco.com>
>
> *** Reply to note of 06/10/96 14:50
> KEU,
> What the hell is the color of the sky in your world?
>
I'd be willing to bet it's the same as yours....
> ------------------------------
> From: subtlerage@gnn.com (Andrew Miller)
>
> Mojo: i was also offended by your post. the thing is, how can someone
who
> does not know you at all understand that what you typed is a joke? i'm
> sitting here reading words on a screen, nothing more.
>
Next time I will try to be a little more sensitive to everyone.....I'm
sorry...
BUT, I HATE to be this way..If you didn't like it....you DO have the
option not to read...
> dude, this has NOTHING to do with politcal correctness. this has
something
> to do with {SNIP}
Andy, It does...but it depends on what side of the water you're looking at
it from....
People have different political views and trends....AND there are some
people in this country that believe that the growing tolerance of
homosexuality is manipulated by one of the political sides....
NOW BEFORE THE FUCKS THE JAM RESPOND TO THIS...
I don't necessarily fall with these people either....BUT from where I'm
standing, theres a great deal of PC in some of these subjects....and you
may not see it...I MAY be the only one on the jam that does see it that
way.....
But you have to understand that some people do think differently than
you...AND that's what makes this country great....
I'm not going to start quoting and listing the bill of rights and other
ammendments to the constitution....because each and every US citizen on
the jam should know it....if you don't....
Please read it carefully...good....
NOW that everyone knows the constitution, I feel it's very important to
get this out so we can kill this discussion for good....:
Some people have different views....
If you have yours....cherish them...hold on to em....because they are
yours...
BUT dont ever make the mistake of thinking they are clear cut right over
wrong...
Abortion.....I'll be willing to bet half the jammers are for it...half
are against it....
To you it seems very clear cut what is right and wrong....but to the next
jammer...
it's different......
To make it very simple....Even if you may be right....the other side has
a right to breathe.......
My first post was out of taste.....Ill agree....BUT there was nothing
that said my post couln't be there...And sure...maybe I'll get some
flamage for it...but this thing has turned disgustingly stupid.....because
everyone is now fighting about who is RIGHT or WRONG....
It's no where near that easy......
CAN WE DO EVERYONE A FAVOR...LISTEN TO THE VERY INTELLIGENT WORDS OF
ANNA.....AND JUST KILL THIS SUBJECT???? PLEASE???!??
>
>
> no, this is NOT a flame. i simply want to express my thoughts on this.
if
> you choose to flame me, that's your problem.
I hope you didn't take this as a flame, Andy...
>but i want to make it clear
> that pissing you off is not my intention.
Don't worry....
J U S T S A Y M O J O!!!!!!
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Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 09:36:24 -0400 (EDT)
From: Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
To: Dream Theater Mailing List <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Scenes #066
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.960611093047.29525B-100000@bdmserver>
I read jams yesterday about how Scenes were shipping. I get home
yesterday to find #066 in my mailbox!!!! Cool cd!!!
The Dominici tracks are quite good. They are way better quality then the
tracks on Consciously Unreal.
Oliver's Twist-you shall be surprised....
ACOS-Thank God, he isn't DT's singer... He is just missing something...
The demos songs are pretty cool too.
I guess I didn't really remember to listen to Kevin Moore's song. I must
do that tonight.
Another great Mike Bahr production...
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Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 11:35:42 -0400
From: WildKoba@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: things
Message-ID: <960611112900_132565536@emout09.mail.aol.com>
i see the list of people who dig tori greatly increased in my absence. cool
(even the ytse-girl with the tori sig. i dig).
baldy, and as was mentioned by whoever it was last jam, you will dig tori
hopefully. you might not though. it seems like a love/hate thing with her. i
actually saw her in syracuse about a month ago, and i was a little
disappointed with her performance, but it was still good. and thanks whoever
it was who said about the tori unplugged. and no, she can play with the
vibrator uplugged too, whoever said it (that was funny).
new metallica- i don't know, growing up to puppets and lightning, and then
seeing that video and hearing what it sounds like now, i really don't know
what to think. i can't watch the video. it just hurts!
the yes magna tribute- so i was at a tower records one night (carle place,
ny), and what do i find? yep. i did. kinda odd that it was there. but i gave
it a listen. i hated the roundabout and starship trooper (i don't care who's
son plays in jeronimo road, but i didn't like). i did really like the south
side of the sky and the morse stuff though. a kinda decent album.
the fun things to do in nyc in the summer- anyone here going to any of the
following (email me if so)-
a) pfunk reunion july 4th
b) macintosh new music festival
eliot- y kant tori read is her first album she made back in the 80s when she
was a hairspray queen (i hope your sister's cd has pictures- they are funny
as hell; if she doesn't have pictures- she got ripped off- tell her to send
it back!). it features people like vinnie colaiuta (drummer of zappa fame),
matt sorum (cult, gnr), and steve farris (inxs or mr. mister, i forget). it's
really horrible. even tori calls it something like "paula abdul and madonna
on a bad mushroom trip." (more or less accurate quote). but then again, it's
80s shit. and yes it's a boot, b/c they stopped making real copies of that
album (sold really bad). email me for more info if you like.
alrighty. peace out. and where the hell is bafu?
funky fresh in da house!
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david kobayashi
lover of all that is musical
"my yellow in this case is not so mellow, in fact, i'm trying to say it's
frightened like me. and all of these emotions of mine keep holding me from
giving my life to a rainbow like you...." -j. hendrix
"through nature's inflexible grace, i'm learning to live." - j. myung
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Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 09:32:16 -0600
From: BILL HUSTON <HUSTON@IOMEGA.COM>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: YTSEJAM digest 1614 -Reply
Message-ID: <s1bd3cb1.084@IOMEGA.COM>
Pat Daugherty recently asked:
How many people have received their Carpe Diem cds?
>>>>>>>>>>
I have. Number 49 received last Saturday. Good stuff eh?
That is all.
Wilmo
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Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 19:06:11 +-200
From: Mark Bredius <bredius@GlobalXS.nl>
To: "'Majesty-Mailinglist'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Welcome to the Garden Party !
Message-ID: <01BB57CD.52A0C240@rt0r07-29.globalxs.nl>
Aaron K Silverman asked on Jam #1613 :
> Can anyone email me any info on a Marillion 2-disc live set from
> about '83 or '84? I'm not sure if it is a bootleg or a regular
> import. One disc is from a club or theater and the other is (I think)
> from Hammersmith or some other large arena. It says "Limited
> Release- 1000 Copies
I think you're talking about 'Garden Party in UK 1984'.
Disc 1 was recorded at the "Golddiggers Club" in Chippenham England
(a small club, not a large arena). Disc 2 was recorded at "Hammersmith
Odeon" in London. The cool thing about disc 2 is that it features an
early version of "Misplaced Childhood"-part 1, with different lyrics
and one song (Lavender) not yet in it. It does say that it's a limited
edition of 1000 copys, but I seriously doubt that.
I originaly wanted to reply to this privately, but this bootleg happens
to be one of my favourite Marillion boots. If you love Marillion and
happen to come across this one, pick it up... I didn't want anyone to
miss out on this one. Hope no one minded this little off-topic post...
Back to all that DTC... >;)
________________________________________________________________________
Itchy (NOT Bitchy), Itchy@dreamt.org - Mark Bredius, Bredius@GlobalXS.nl
________________________________________________________________________
We live our lives in private shells (The Last Straw) / \___/ \__
ignore our senses and fool ourselves [ / ~ ^ \ ]_
into thinking that out there there's someone else cares | ) p__q ( |_
someone to answer all our prayers... all our prayers... (/(_-('')-_)\)_
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Date: Tue, 11 Jun 96 13:58 EDT
From: tormato@allinux1.alliance.net (Jeremy Hyde)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Espanol & Cummy Blood
Message-ID: <m0uTXhp-001CStC@alliance.net>
This is my super-lame reply post, but it has a cool quote at the end.
>> yo soy el hombre grande
>
>tu estas con la perra grande, tambien :) MARTHA!!!!!
>(No, the rest of you were *not* meant to understand that. Sorry, I'll
>take this one private. :)
D-Man, you certainly are a cruel person!
>From: thekid@txdirect.net (Jose Vaquera)
>Subject: Load Cover and DT in the Studio?
>
> According to the new Rolling Stone, the LOAD cover is a piece from Andres
>Serrano called "Semen and Blood III". It's a mixture of the artist's semen
>and bovine blood. I think that's...
>
A big load of cum? Or was it what first came (no, not a pun) to my mind?
..sickening.
And now I will leave you with the following quote from the new kick-ass Sean
Connery and Nicholas Cage movie, The Rock.
"Losers always talk about doing 'their best.' Winners just go home and fuck
the prom queen."
-Sean Connery
Jeremy Hyde
aka Tempus
tormato@alliance.net
"Losers always talk about doing 'their best.' Winners just go home and fuck
the prom queen."
-Sean Connery
Jeremy Hyde
aka Tempus
tormato@alliance.net
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Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 20:10:24 +0200 (MESZ)
From: sw0101@aixrs1.hrz.uni-essen.de (Steffen Barabasch)
To: ytsejam@ax.com (Ytsejam - the Dream Theater mailing list)
Subject: Load/DT news/READ THIS GODDAMMIT!
Message-ID: <9606111810.AA76968@aixrs1.hrz.uni-essen.de>
Hello!
Life sucks #1:
I just went down to the record store and checked LOAD. Well, I was glad that I
had Ride The Lightning in the car CD changer... LOAD SUCKS, PERIOD!
I already expected a softer sound, more of a rock album, but I didn't expect
crap like that. Weak production (biggest surprise), though you can hear
the bass this time - what a pity the bass lines are more boring than 50Hz (or
60Hz for you Americans) hum noise... No good hook lines, no energy, nothing.
Just a big waste of time. And this is my fucking humble opinion, yes!
Life sucks #2:
Dream Theater have demoed all finished songs now. I heard that FW's Jim
Matheos listened to these demos and said something like, he wouldn't like it,
it wouldn't be hard enough for him, the songs would sound like U2.
Well, I can't stand U2, so I hope he just overreacted...
Anyway, Dream Theater are heavily under pressure, the record company wants
them to become more accessible, or commercial, or crappy. Oh Lord, imagine
an album full of cheesy waste like Innocence Faded.
The same record company that did ZERO promotion for DT's singles in the past,
is forcing them to create boring 4/4 stuff like anyone else. And then they
will let the album die, like they did before. Did they ever push The Silent
Man? Did they ever release Innocence Faded? No! And that will happen to the
commercial stuff from the new album, too. What's all this radio stuff for,
when it's never played on the radio?
Yes, I AM pissed off.
-- Steffen Barabasch <sw0101@aixrs1.hrz.uni-essen.de> THE MIRROR - new German Dream Theater fanclub (under construction)------------------------------
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