YTSEJAM digest 1616

Date: Tue Jun 11 1996 - 14:16:54 EDT

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    Today's Topics:

      1) i'm getting tired of this metallica stuff, but i still have another few words to say
     by RipZero <>
      2) attn. Brain Cox
      3) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1615
     by "George Bast (CS)" <>
      4) Re: The Generrica JAM
     by (Larry Odneal)
      5) I&W Fanzine
     by borlangw <>
      6) Dumbasses, irc, Mojo and DT new songs
      7) A Change of Seasons
      8) Keu, MirthMan, and the monster I've created....
     by "Frank Benenati" <>
      9) Scenes #066
     by Pat Daugherty <>
     10) things
     11) YTSEJAM digest 1614 -Reply
     12) Welcome to the Garden Party !
     by Mark Bredius <>
     13) Espanol & Cummy Blood
     by (Jeremy Hyde)
     14) Load/DT news/READ THIS GODDAMMIT!
     by (Steffen Barabasch)


    Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 00:03:24 -0500
    From: RipZero <>
    To: Heavy Metal Computer Nerds <>
    Subject: i'm getting tired of this metallica stuff, but i still have another few words to say
    Message-ID: <>

    >Metallica sells out because your local store doesn't carry the album
    >cheaply? Sorry, that doesn't cut it. It was $11.99 at my local
    >Blockbuster Music. It's not Metallica's decision, but the record
    >company's, I'm fairly sure.

    First off, i didnt say sells out, i said rips people off. :)
    secondly, i distincly remember within the last few years whenever i
    went cd buggin' all the metallica was way more expensive than the
    rest... yes i've seen the new one for 9 dollars so that cuts my
    arguement off right there, but also i also just remember always
    noticing their cds were a bit more, not from just one cd shop down here
    because i go all over the place. i'm guessing though that i can go
    down to a used cd shop tomorrow and pick up load for 5 dollars because
    someone didnt like it and already sold it anyway :P

    actually used cd places are great for bootlegs, this one joint down here
    always has bootlegs for 15 dollars and stuff, i plan to pick up a few =)

     "God gave rock and roll to you... gave rock and rollllllll to everyone"
         bill and ted flicks kick ass :)


    Date: Tue, 11 Jun 96 01:23:13 PDT
    To: Ytsejam <>
    Subject: attn. Brain Cox
    Message-ID: <>

    Hey, Andrew Miller from Delaware asked me to ask you to
    e-mail him. His address is
    Rob Barker (Ibanez)
    Name: Barker
    Date: 6/11/96
    Time: 1:23:14 AM


    Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 02:17:22 -0400 (EDT)
    From: "George Bast (CS)" <>
    Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1615
    Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.92.960611015028.21771B-100000@babbage>

    Someone asked what the new song 'You or Me' sounds like. Well, from what
    I remember, it doesn't really resemble anything DT has previously done.
    It's definitely NOT a ballad. It was really hard to get a feel of the
    song at the clinic, because Mike's drumming really over-powered the DAT.
    I believe there was a good amount of keys (maybe why Derek likes it so
    much), and it had a real good groove. James vocals were whispery during
    the verses and then strengthened during the chorus, where I believe he
    repeatedly sings the line 'You or Me'.

    Now, please remember this is a loose description of what I heard. I
    really wish I had taped it, but I lack the equipment to do so. Hopefully,
    Mike will be doing some more clinics and offering a taste of this song. I
    do know that it wasn't a long tune, probably between 4-5 minutes. And the
    fact that it wasn't entirely complex, it's probably a candidate for a
    release. Mike didn't say that, it's just my opinion.

    Oh, and to answer the question of who sponsored the clinic, it seemed that
    Tama was the main sponsor, since they had a Tama rep there to introduce
    Mike. I think Sabian cymbals was also a sponsor.


    George Bast


    Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 00:19:50 -0700
    From: (Larry Odneal)
    Subject: Re: The Generrica JAM
    Message-ID: <>

    DnD wrote:

    >later--------------Brian (It's good too be back...I feel like posting
    >a lot again!)

    I, for one, am just thrilled . . . NOT!


    >Metallica is not Metallica anymore.

    That's correct - they are now GENERRICA!

    RipZero wrote:

    > theres already a million bands who are formatted for lollapalooza and
    >the radio today and doing all that stuff and the fact that metallica's
    >falling into this means one less outsider metal band and one more of
    >the already infinate "MTV generation" bands...

    Yup . . .Generrica. I rest my case.

    /me dons his asbestos skivvies and awaits the inevitable electronic

    Sir Reality

    p.s. Go Avalanche! It's a great night to be a Coloradan!
          Swish, swish, SWISH! ("Sweeping" sound) Sorry Partha!


    Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 11:15:19 +0100
    From: borlangw <>
    Subject: I&W Fanzine
    Message-ID: <>

    Fanzine #10 popped through the letterbox this morning. Very nice! Lots of cool
    info on the new album, and a trendy new font for the editorial ;-)

    Hoping Neil Elliot can clear this up . . . what happens to existing I&W
    subscribers regarding fan club membership? Do we just wait until this
    subscription runs out before we join up?

    Oh . . . ummm . . . what's the name of Derek's side project bar band? ;-)

    Graham B.
    | |
    | Graham Borland,, |::


    Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 13:40:22 +0200
    Subject: Dumbasses, irc, Mojo and DT new songs
    Message-ID: <v02130500ade307c5e22e@[]>

    >Iced Earth - nice stuff, I'll have to get something by this band

    They're still around?

    >2. Why do so many people on mailing lists (not just this one) have pseudonyms?
    >Can't face reality huh?

    This is NOT reality.

    >Using irc from my brother's account:
    >I type irc
    >I get connected to some server
    >I type /server 2112

    How do you get an account, BTW?
    I have a .ch domain account, is this enough?

    >From: "Frank Benenati" <>
    >communication...FURTHER MORE, I am offended at the fact that you jumped
    >all over my post when it was something spoken in complete jest!....So

    >>>Mojo: i was also offended by your post. the thing is, how can someone who
    does not know you at all understand that what you typed is a joke? i'm
    sitting here reading words on a screen, nothing more.<<<<<<

    Mojo: remember my private post about some "digital coldness of typed
    words"??? That's what's happening now. And it's pretty shitty. I don't mean
    that this kind of stuff shouldn't be on the jam, though.

    Finally, is there any way of listening to some of the new DT songs on the
    WEB? Has anyone taped a clinic and put it on the Net?

    (Hey, that last one WAS DTC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Wow, I did it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    That seems to be more difficult than getting an EOJ these days,)

    Dave King
    "I'm all alone to..."
    "holding on is easier than letting go" (fw)


    Date: Tue, 11 Jun 96 9:22:06 EDT
    To: <>
    Subject: A Change of Seasons
    Message-ID: <>

    Does anyone have a transcription of this song? I have called every music
    store I can think of and no one can tell me whether or not a songbook was
    released. Any help would be greatly appreciated.


    Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 09:24:52 -0400
    From: "Frank Benenati" <>
    To: "" <>
    Subject: Keu, MirthMan, and the monster I've created....
    Message-ID: <>

    > ------------------------------
    > From: Mithrandir <>
    > D-Man: God has helped me, thank you very much. Afterall he did send me
    to a
    > High School that allowed Girls amongst us guys. You do know what girls
    > don't you? Heard in the halls at Chaminade " Brother, how come your
    > are bulging? Shut up and just keep stroking, will you".

            I was going to defend that old school on Emory and Jackson.......
    But that was too fucking funny.....
    /me shakes mirthmoonwalkers hand

    > Tori Amos on the 25th, unplugs her vibrator. You mean she may actually
    > still on the piano bench?
    DAMN.....I ain't gonna go see her now!

    > Raise the knife: I was played the afore mentioned song this weekend, and
    > I have to say is WOW!!!!!!! DT's next album will not be straight forward
    > rock. I must say I was very impressed.

            Hey John......Ura Penis!

    > Open question to all jammers. I'm thinking of letting one of my two
    > with web pages have My brother-in-laws 1985 Kings Park yearbook, you
    > the one with JP, JM, and KM's pictures in it. Would anyone be interested
    > viewing what they looked like 12 years ago?
            Hmmmmmm..........uuuhhh......let me think about that
            Oooooh.......FUCK YES!!!!!

    > WildKoba: Glad to see you've come back to us. Now maybe we can get
    > and jam with Mojo, Its, D-Man, and myself.

            Kudus on that one, Mr Koba....

    > Looks like it's going to be a long, hot, sultry summer!!!!!!!!!

    > M I T H R A N D I R P R O F E S S E S
    > W I S E L Y !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
            ^^^^^^^^^ Ura Penis!!

    > Ellens silk laundry wrapped around my nose,
    > ------------------------------
    > From: "Steven Johnson" <>
    > *** Reply to note of 06/10/96 14:50
    > KEU,
    > What the hell is the color of the sky in your world?

            I'd be willing to bet it's the same as yours....

    > ------------------------------
    > From: (Andrew Miller)
    > Mojo: i was also offended by your post. the thing is, how can someone
    > does not know you at all understand that what you typed is a joke? i'm
    > sitting here reading words on a screen, nothing more.
            Next time I will try to be a little more sensitive to everyone.....I'm
            BUT, I HATE to be this way..If you didn't like DO have the
    option not to read...

    > dude, this has NOTHING to do with politcal correctness. this has
    > to do with {SNIP}

    Andy, It does...but it depends on what side of the water you're looking at
    it from....
    People have different political views and trends....AND there are some
    people in this country that believe that the growing tolerance of
    homosexuality is manipulated by one of the political sides....
    I don't necessarily fall with these people either....BUT from where I'm
    standing, theres a great deal of PC in some of these subjects....and you
    may not see it...I MAY be the only one on the jam that does see it that
    But you have to understand that some people do think differently than
    you...AND that's what makes this country great....
    I'm not going to start quoting and listing the bill of rights and other
    ammendments to the constitution....because each and every US citizen on
    the jam should know it....if you don't....
    Please read it carefully...good....
            NOW that everyone knows the constitution, I feel it's very important to
    get this out so we can kill this discussion for good....:
            Some people have different views....
            If you have yours....cherish them...hold on to em....because they are
            BUT dont ever make the mistake of thinking they are clear cut right over
            Abortion.....I'll be willing to bet half the jammers are for it...half
    are against it....
            To you it seems very clear cut what is right and wrong....but to the next
            it's different......

            To make it very simple....Even if you may be right....the other side has
    a right to breathe.......
            My first post was out of taste.....Ill agree....BUT there was nothing
    that said my post couln't be there...And sure...maybe I'll get some
    flamage for it...but this thing has turned disgustingly stupid.....because
    everyone is now fighting about who is RIGHT or WRONG....
    It's no where near that easy......

    > no, this is NOT a flame. i simply want to express my thoughts on this.
    > you choose to flame me, that's your problem.

    I hope you didn't take this as a flame, Andy...

    >but i want to make it clear
    > that pissing you off is not my intention.

    Don't worry....

    J U S T S A Y M O J O!!!!!!


    Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 09:36:24 -0400 (EDT)
    From: Pat Daugherty <>
    To: Dream Theater Mailing List <>
    Subject: Scenes #066
    Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.960611093047.29525B-100000@bdmserver>

    I read jams yesterday about how Scenes were shipping. I get home
    yesterday to find #066 in my mailbox!!!! Cool cd!!!

    The Dominici tracks are quite good. They are way better quality then the
    tracks on Consciously Unreal.

    Oliver's Twist-you shall be surprised....

    ACOS-Thank God, he isn't DT's singer... He is just missing something...

    The demos songs are pretty cool too.

    I guess I didn't really remember to listen to Kevin Moore's song. I must
    do that tonight.

    Another great Mike Bahr production...

    | Pat Daugherty |
    | "Every breath leaves me one less to my last" --Dream Theater |
    | "That is not an option, Mr. Mulder" --X-Files |
    |The Baltimore Orioles-The team to beat in 1996!!!!!!! | Go DC United! |


    Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 11:35:42 -0400
    Subject: things
    Message-ID: <>

    i see the list of people who dig tori greatly increased in my absence. cool
    (even the ytse-girl with the tori sig. i dig).

    baldy, and as was mentioned by whoever it was last jam, you will dig tori
    hopefully. you might not though. it seems like a love/hate thing with her. i
    actually saw her in syracuse about a month ago, and i was a little
    disappointed with her performance, but it was still good. and thanks whoever
    it was who said about the tori unplugged. and no, she can play with the
    vibrator uplugged too, whoever said it (that was funny).

    new metallica- i don't know, growing up to puppets and lightning, and then
    seeing that video and hearing what it sounds like now, i really don't know
    what to think. i can't watch the video. it just hurts!

    the yes magna tribute- so i was at a tower records one night (carle place,
    ny), and what do i find? yep. i did. kinda odd that it was there. but i gave
    it a listen. i hated the roundabout and starship trooper (i don't care who's
    son plays in jeronimo road, but i didn't like). i did really like the south
    side of the sky and the morse stuff though. a kinda decent album.

    the fun things to do in nyc in the summer- anyone here going to any of the
    following (email me if so)-
    a) pfunk reunion july 4th
    b) macintosh new music festival

    eliot- y kant tori read is her first album she made back in the 80s when she
    was a hairspray queen (i hope your sister's cd has pictures- they are funny
    as hell; if she doesn't have pictures- she got ripped off- tell her to send
    it back!). it features people like vinnie colaiuta (drummer of zappa fame),
    matt sorum (cult, gnr), and steve farris (inxs or mr. mister, i forget). it's
    really horrible. even tori calls it something like "paula abdul and madonna
    on a bad mushroom trip." (more or less accurate quote). but then again, it's
    80s shit. and yes it's a boot, b/c they stopped making real copies of that
    album (sold really bad). email me for more info if you like.

    alrighty. peace out. and where the hell is bafu?

    funky fresh in da house!

    david kobayashi
    lover of all that is musical

    "my yellow in this case is not so mellow, in fact, i'm trying to say it's
    frightened like me. and all of these emotions of mine keep holding me from
    giving my life to a rainbow like you...." -j. hendrix

    "through nature's inflexible grace, i'm learning to live." - j. myung


    Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 09:32:16 -0600
    Subject: YTSEJAM digest 1614 -Reply
    Message-ID: <s1bd3cb1.084@IOMEGA.COM>

    Pat Daugherty recently asked:

    How many people have received their Carpe Diem cds?
      I have. Number 49 received last Saturday. Good stuff eh?

    That is all.



    Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 19:06:11 +-200
    From: Mark Bredius <>
    To: "'Majesty-Mailinglist'" <>
    Subject: Welcome to the Garden Party !
    Message-ID: <>

    Aaron K Silverman asked on Jam #1613 :

    > Can anyone email me any info on a Marillion 2-disc live set from
    > about '83 or '84? I'm not sure if it is a bootleg or a regular
    > import. One disc is from a club or theater and the other is (I think)
    > from Hammersmith or some other large arena. It says "Limited
    > Release- 1000 Copies

    I think you're talking about 'Garden Party in UK 1984'.
    Disc 1 was recorded at the "Golddiggers Club" in Chippenham England
    (a small club, not a large arena). Disc 2 was recorded at "Hammersmith
    Odeon" in London. The cool thing about disc 2 is that it features an
    early version of "Misplaced Childhood"-part 1, with different lyrics
    and one song (Lavender) not yet in it. It does say that it's a limited
    edition of 1000 copys, but I seriously doubt that.

    I originaly wanted to reply to this privately, but this bootleg happens
    to be one of my favourite Marillion boots. If you love Marillion and
    happen to come across this one, pick it up... I didn't want anyone to
    miss out on this one. Hope no one minded this little off-topic post...
    Back to all that DTC... >;)
    Itchy (NOT Bitchy), - Mark Bredius,
     We live our lives in private shells (The Last Straw) / \___/ \__
     ignore our senses and fool ourselves [ / ~ ^ \ ]_
     into thinking that out there there's someone else cares | ) p__q ( |_
     someone to answer all our prayers... all our prayers... (/(_-('')-_)\)_


    Date: Tue, 11 Jun 96 13:58 EDT
    From: (Jeremy Hyde)
    Subject: Espanol & Cummy Blood
    Message-ID: <>

    This is my super-lame reply post, but it has a cool quote at the end.

    >> yo soy el hombre grande
    >tu estas con la perra grande, tambien :) MARTHA!!!!!
    >(No, the rest of you were *not* meant to understand that. Sorry, I'll
    >take this one private. :)

    D-Man, you certainly are a cruel person!

    >From: (Jose Vaquera)
    >Subject: Load Cover and DT in the Studio?
    > According to the new Rolling Stone, the LOAD cover is a piece from Andres
    >Serrano called "Semen and Blood III". It's a mixture of the artist's semen
    >and bovine blood. I think that's...

    A big load of cum? Or was it what first came (no, not a pun) to my mind?

    And now I will leave you with the following quote from the new kick-ass Sean
    Connery and Nicholas Cage movie, The Rock.

    "Losers always talk about doing 'their best.' Winners just go home and fuck
    the prom queen."
            -Sean Connery

    Jeremy Hyde
    aka Tempus
    "Losers always talk about doing 'their best.' Winners just go home and fuck
    the prom queen."
            -Sean Connery

    Jeremy Hyde
    aka Tempus


    Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 20:10:24 +0200 (MESZ)
    From: (Steffen Barabasch)
    To: (Ytsejam - the Dream Theater mailing list)
    Subject: Load/DT news/READ THIS GODDAMMIT!
    Message-ID: <>


    Life sucks #1:

    I just went down to the record store and checked LOAD. Well, I was glad that I
    had Ride The Lightning in the car CD changer... LOAD SUCKS, PERIOD!

    I already expected a softer sound, more of a rock album, but I didn't expect
    crap like that. Weak production (biggest surprise), though you can hear
    the bass this time - what a pity the bass lines are more boring than 50Hz (or
    60Hz for you Americans) hum noise... No good hook lines, no energy, nothing.
    Just a big waste of time. And this is my fucking humble opinion, yes!

    Life sucks #2:

    Dream Theater have demoed all finished songs now. I heard that FW's Jim
    Matheos listened to these demos and said something like, he wouldn't like it,
    it wouldn't be hard enough for him, the songs would sound like U2.

    Well, I can't stand U2, so I hope he just overreacted...

    Anyway, Dream Theater are heavily under pressure, the record company wants
    them to become more accessible, or commercial, or crappy. Oh Lord, imagine
    an album full of cheesy waste like Innocence Faded.

    The same record company that did ZERO promotion for DT's singles in the past,
    is forcing them to create boring 4/4 stuff like anyone else. And then they
    will let the album die, like they did before. Did they ever push The Silent
    Man? Did they ever release Innocence Faded? No! And that will happen to the
    commercial stuff from the new album, too. What's all this radio stuff for,
    when it's never played on the radio?

    Yes, I AM pissed off.

    Steffen Barabasch <>
    THE MIRROR - new German Dream Theater fanclub (under construction)


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