YTSEJAM digest 1620

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    Today's Topics:

      1) YtseCon III
     by Aladdin <>
      2) Alex's Heart-Pouring in BMG Mag
     by (Gordon McFee)
      3) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1610
     by (Seth Hatlelid)
      4) Okay....THIS is the last one.
     by Ben Laussade <>
      5) Crimson? wha?
     by Mike <>
      6) I'm too happy to think of a subject
     by "Brian Anderson" <>
      7) Collecting DT (CDs, that is)
     by (Zack Gemmill)
      8) little things of note
      9) I'M GAY !
     by (Scott Cook)
     10) King Crimson
     by (Ernesto Schnack)
     by Andreas Richter <>
     12) 2 Mikes'll do it
     13) Wherever DT roams
     14) more irc help needed
     by Pat Daugherty <>
     15) Various replies
     by borlangw <>


    Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 19:57:07 -0400 (EDT)
    From: Aladdin <>
    To: The BafuJam <>
    Subject: YtseCon III
    Message-ID: <>

    Dear Jammers,

    Hey there! This is just a reminder of what the YtseCon III is, where it
    will be, and who to contact about it.

    YtseCon III is the third Dream Theater internet convention, which will
    take place on Saturday, October 12th. I've spoken to Dream Theater's
    management already, and the chances that Dream Theater will show is damn

    The place will be the La Guardia Marriot, so for those of you who are
    flying in, you won't even have to take a cab there =). If you plan on
    going, please contact Chris Merlo at Also, if you plan
    on staying at the Marriot, it will be $99 per room per night, which is
    basically the rates anywhere in NYC. You guys can room together and split
    the cost. Besides, it's probably more fun that way anyway. Let Chris
    know if you will need a room. Also, let him know how many people you plan
    to bring.

    If you need airfare to NYC, then call Rich WorldWide Travel, they are
    working with me on this so they will take care of you. Call
    1-800-431-1130, and tell them that you are going to the Dream Theater

    The cost for the ticket to the YtseCon III will be $20 per person. This
    will cover the cost of the Conference room, programs, etc. Tehre will
    also be a bartender in the room, so you can get drinks in there too.

    Well, that's all the info so far. If you have any questions about the
    YtseCon III, feel free to e-mail me at And remember,
    if you plan on going, email Chris Merlo to let him know, he's doing the
    head count! That's it, I hope that you guys can come, TTYL!

    Jeff =)

                <*> Jeff Chew <*> <*>
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             "Aladdin! You just won the heart of the princess! What are
                  you gonna do next?" --- Genie, Disney's Aladdin


    Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 20:17:24 -0400
    From: (Gordon McFee)
    Subject: Alex's Heart-Pouring in BMG Mag
    Message-ID: <>

    >> There's an interview with Alex Lifeson in the latest Sound Choice
    >>Magazine (the BMG Music Service mag) in which he says exactly that. Also
    >>if you e-mail Magna Carta and they will tell you the same
    >Can you please elucidate where you are from? I receive the "Discovery" version
    >for BMG in the U.S. I hope they print the Lerxst article.

            I'm front Ottawa in Canada. I get the "Sound Choice" magazine
    which has all the BMG CD's, featured selection, etc... your magazine is
    "customized" to your music of preference.. mine was metal (yes, I know,
    why is Rush in a metal mag? Who cares...). It has the Lerxst article in
    the back of the mag cuz they're really trying to push Victor.. they had it
    as a featured selection and I guess it didn't sell well enough..neat album
    but certinaly not on par with anything he's done with Rush in about 20 years.

    "To seek the sacred river Alph, and walk the caves of ice..." - Rush
    "Ashes and Diamonds,Foe and Friend/We were all equal in the end." -Pink Floyd
    "The sands of time were eroded by the river of constant change." - Genesis
    "Others steal your thoughts they're not confined within your mind"-DreamTheater


    Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 19:26:04 -0500 From: (Seth Hatlelid) To: Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1610 Message-ID: <v01510102ade134507652@[]>


    >He,he, I had the feeling that was gonna happen. It's not you Seth. On the >new Pantera they have a guy called Seth as 'guest screamer', and on every >song on which he screams, they write 'Seth screamed on this'

    Hehehehehehe, don't I feel like a complete boob (kinda a nice feeling actually, all soft and squishy). I still think 'Until it sleeps' is about James's ass falling asleep.

    NEW THREAD!!!!

    Does anybody else think that the harmonica on Blues Traveler's Four sounds REALLY SHITTY??!!! Don't get me wrong, I love that album, but I cringe at that whiney-ass harmonica solo that acompanies each and every song (puke). That guy who played harmonica for Megaseth (that's supossed to be Megadeth, but it's just a really cool typo, from now opn refer to me as MegaSeth ;-) could play MUCH better harmonica solos.

    Maplethorpe rocks!!!! (he causes excessive desire for extensive psychotherapy however). My uncle and aunt have his works as a COFFEE TABLE BOOK!!! "Hiya Patti, how are you and Mike doing? How are the kids and oh, by the way, I just love this print of this mans arm being shoved up this mans asshole up to the forearm, the lighting is quite ingenious!" Oh well, they are your typical yuppies so I guess that explains it.

    As to Jason Newsted wanting to move into a heavier direction, I think he has the right idea. If he stays in 'Tallicca he can make enough money so he doesn't have to make money shearing sheep or something and can make music he actually cares about and plays well in on side projects. Newsted is soo underrated, mainly because you can't hear him on any of metallica's realeases. BTW, can anyone point me to some of Newsted's newer side projects.

    Speaking of side projects, does anyone know the release date for Dave Mustaine's solo album?. It was called either "Grave Robbers or Grave Diggers when I last heard anything about it. Kinda funny, I thought Megadeth was Dave's solo album. I have a feeling the solo disk will be rather heavier than the newer Megadeth.

    Cheers! Seth wants a job screaming for Pantera! Seth Hatlelid

    "Never take Hamburgler on a date to Burger King!"


    Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 17:23:16 -0700 From: Ben Laussade <> To: Subject: Okay....THIS is the last one. Message-ID: <>

    >Hey, Gentle Ben.....the argument on Metallica isn't whether they or we have >the same musical taste as we did 10 years ago. The argument is did they change >their "taste" while maturing their music or was it an effort to become more >accessible/commercially successful.

    Many people were implying, I offered up the idea that maybe their taste changed, and that's why the music changed...not because they wanted money. They DID just do two free concerts out of the back of a truck, ya know.

    Too many METAL fans feel it was the later. >A greater number fo borderline metal fans and non-metal fans believe the >former. As eExtreme said: Three sides to every story...yours, mine and the >truth (or yours, mine and Monday morning's depending on which part of the disc >you want to paraphrase :) ).

    I don't listen to Extreme. Here's an explanation that not many would admit, but might be the case:

    You decide to stop liking Metallica for one reason...because they started gaining appreciation from the masses. I don't know how long you've been a Metallica fan..if you even were one, but if you were from back in the Ride or Puppets days maybe, did you back then think "Man, Metallica deserves more credit and fans for what they're doing." And now, they do. Take this, for instance, which was what I did for a while. I used to advertise loudly that alternative music was crap and worthless, but I was doing it because I wanted to be different than the everybody else. Arguing for the sake of arguing. But, I couldn't change the fact that I liked a good portion of it. Since then, I've decided that I don't really care what people think about my musical taste...and let the "alternative sucks" thing go. Maybe that is the case with decided to stop liking Metallica because everybody else does, and you want to be different. This isn't an accusation, I'm just trying to make you think. I didn't realize that I was doing it for a while. Don't get me wrong, I like DT because I like DT..not because I want to be different.

    >Anthrax is a great example. They have definitely changed over the years and >they have definitely matured (better with John Bush? that's a personal >opinion, too). But they have done this while maintaining their long-time fans' >respect as well as their own integrity. I and many others feel Metallica >hasn't done this.

    But, if maintaining their long-time fan's respect means restricting change that's bound to happen in almost any band, then is that such a good thing?

    >I'll bet Metallica came to the same crossroads, albeit on a different level. >They were already a huge, though non-mainstream, band. They took it to the >next logical step in fan-base/monetary growth. Will DT do the same? In the >previously mentioned post the writer hoped it wouldn't be songs like >"Innocence Faded". I agree. "Lie" would be a great direction to stay in as far >as 4/4, radio-written songs go. It's not a compromise in judgement, but easier >for folx to get into than Space Dye Vest.

    Even though....that's almost doing it for money, because we all know that a song like "Lie" or a song like "Innocence Faded" is not all that DT is about. I'm sure a lot of people would buy the album and think that the rest of it is crap (because it's not all like "Lie") and never listen to it again. That wouldn't be giving the people good music...that would be giving them some plastic junk and taking their money for it. Now, I know that releasing the proggiest, wierdest song that would show the extremes of DT's style of music might go over worse, in that nobody would like it. No one can say for sure what would happen, though, so I guess we'll just have to wait for the new album to come out.

    And I listen openly.... Ben Laussade


    Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 21:00:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Mike <> To: Yitz-see-jam <> Subject: Crimson? wha? Message-ID: <>

    hey, all.

    this is to the guy who wanted to know about king crimson.

    the lineup now is:

    Robert Fripp: Guitar, Scoundscapes, Mellotron Adrian Belew: Guitar, Voice, Words Trey Gunn: Stick, Backing Vocals Tony Levin: Upright & Electric Basses, Backing Vocals Pat Mastelotto: Acoustic and Electronic Percussion Bill Bruford: Acoutstic and Electronic Percussion

    i am a HUGE fan of crimson. i have the first album "in the court of the crimson king", which EVERYONE should own (or be shot), and every album from "Starless and Bible Black" to now.

    they are awsome. :)

    albums to buy? 1. In The Court Of The Crimson King 2. Discipline 3. Red 4. Thrak ..and then everything else by them. :)

    So, next Tuesday will be the Petrucci clinic. To those of who who will be seeing me, be forewarned. I have bad humor, and i know how to use it! :)

    later on, peoples...

    syrinx has spoken, so it shall be law.


    Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 20:57:10 +0000 From: "Brian Anderson" <> To: Subject: I'm too happy to think of a subject Message-ID: <>


    I feel bad 'cause most of my posts have to do with my car getting broken into and me losing CD's and all that.

    But there is a somewhat happy ending to all of this. (No, they didn't find the people who broke into my car, or my $3500 worth of car stereo stuff) For those of you who don't know, my car got broken into twice at school. The first time I had my Acoustic Dreams in the changer at the time. Luckily, and thanks to Mike Bahr, I was able to replace that one. Problem was, there was a CD in my changer at the time that I couldn't remember was in there. About a month ago, I took the time to figure out which CD I was missing and found it was my Subconscious #42. I was sooo pissed. I just felt this empty feeling when I found out.

    OK, now to the happy part: A couple days ago, I was cleaning up around my house here, and what did I find, my Subconscious #42. Low and behold it wasn't in my changer when it got stolen. Let's just say I was a little happy. I think I was more excited than when I got it the first time.

    So, you all may breathe a sigh of relief for me -- I now have all of Mr. Bahr's CD's in my posession again. :)

    What else? Oh, Load -- I like it.

    Neil didn't like Nevermore at that Metalfest or whatever? I like they're album - never seen 'em live though, guess they weren't too good live.

    Just saw in the paper that Tori will be doin' a show here (Finger Lakes -- for those who know where here is) I think I'll go even though I don't have any of her releases. Heard some of 'em though, and I think I like her.

    Hey BABS, where are you? (Just checkin' on ya, like I would if you were my neighbor)

    OK, I'm done.

    -Brian Anderson


    Date: Wed, 12 Jun 96 18:28:38 PDT From: (Zack Gemmill) To: Subject: Collecting DT (CDs, that is) Message-ID: <9606130128.AA22102@tengs1>

    Heh. The subject line reminded me of the Robert Bloch (wrote Psycho) story "The Man who Collected Poe". Raise your hand if you've read it. No? Okay, moving on...

    >So, run, don't walk and go order this disc... actually, get all of >Mike Bahr's CDs, they will truly make your DT collection something >special (and your friends jealous!)....

    Before ACOS came out, my friend was making a comment to someone that that it was funny that DT has only four albums out, but I had like 15 CDs of them. And I have a few more by now.



    Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 21:41:15 -0400 From: To: Subject: little things of note Message-ID: <>

    pat (heavy) d. king crimson features- fripp, belew, levin, bruford, trey gunn and pat mastelotto (ex mr. mister). weird band, but i've been told they sound awesome. someone PLEASE explain to me how they got hooked up with the h.o.r.d.e. festival, please.

    the slowhand guy (re: spirit in the material world....excellent police album/song)

    i was never signed up for ngsw, but i had a friend there, and i just went up to visit him for a day or two, convienently, when jp was there, too. last year, i just drove up from work and saw him, then went home. if you know someone, i'm sure you should be able to get in.

    ps- those universe reissues are amazing. i should know personally ;-) and did anyone know that the new petrucci guitar is not a limited edition? that's amazing. i love the color scheme on that one much more. so maybe one day....

    i have a little something that some of you might dig- i did a little sound sample of the gremilny "6 o'clock on a christmas morning" sample that i use as my hours chime. if anyone is interested, email me. and we talk.

    alright. peace out.

    why does it seem so many people hate "innocence faded"? i dig that song so hard.


    ***************************************************************** david yoichi kobayashi the wild and magical koba.

    "i bring truth and understanding, i bring wit and wisdom fair. precious gifts beyond compare."

    until the circle breaks, and wisdom lies ahead, the faithful live Awake, the rest remain misled."

    binghamton university, music and philosophy *****************************************************************


    Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 20:49:13 -0700 From: (Scott Cook) To: Subject: I'M GAY ! Message-ID: <>

    Actually, I'm really not. Well, I am a lesbian, but that's a whole different list :-). But if it would make someone feel like more of a man to call me gay, or Homo, or Faggot, or whetever, then go right ahead! There's so many other things more important to worry about than who someone does or doesn't have sex with.


    "Are there any Queers in the theatre tonight? Get them up against the Wall."

    DTC - got SFaM in and got to listen to some of it last night. I think so far that it's really cool! Oliver's Twist is really interesting.


    Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 22:58:43 -0400 From: (Ernesto Schnack) To: Subject: King Crimson Message-ID: <>

    >Who is in King Crimson nowdays? I am contemplating going and see them in >concert to really see if I like them. The only cd I have is Larks... with >Wetton and Fripp and I do like it but I know they hae had many lineup >changes since. How long are their sets nowdays? What are all the >instruments that they play nowdays? >

    The lineup is: Fripp(duh), Adrian Belew(guitar,vox), Tony Levin(bass), Trey Gunn(stick), Bill Bruford(you know), Pat Mastelotto (drums)

    THe idea is to have a 'double trio'...hence, the 2 drummers.

    Although I haven't heard this lineup, I have heard the Wetton era and I've heard 'Discipline' which was w/ Belew,Bruford and Levin. It is a completely different style; and I assume that the current line-up is more like the 'Discipline' sound.

    But besides that, I think to see KC live would be an awesome experience, no matter what line-up. (can you say 'improvisation'?)

    BTW, I've been subscribed to the KC mailing list, and you should see what they consider 'flame wars' over there... it's like I didn't see the slightest insult in the whole post, and they considered it a flame, maybe because the person posted his opinion to strongly? beats me. I guess, no matter what the deal is, there will always be people complaining<sigh>.

    Funky Cold Medina Ernie :)


    Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 09:18:02 EDT From: Andreas Richter <> To: Cc: Subject: STRATOVARIUS ! Message-ID: <>

    Hi folks, on monday I picked up the new STRATOVARIUS cd called 'Episode'. It's really great and I am so impressed that I have to write to the YAM. I would discribe it as a mixture of older Helloween stuff, big Yngwie Malmsteen influences and older Queensryche (because of the style of the music and of the singer;and the former Malmsteen keyboarder Jens Johannson joined the band). It's '80s years style metal but it is METAL. So if you like classically influenced music with a little mythtical touch I would recomend it very strongly to you.

    For further informations visit the official STRATOVARIUS homepage at

    "Anything can happen" - Rush

    Bye ANDY


    Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 09:40:29 +0200 From: To: Subject: 2 Mikes'll do it Message-ID: <v02130500ade5748a23de@[]>

    I think Mike Portnoy and Mike Bahr could well produce the next DT. This way, MP would sure get the drum sound he wants w/o hassle and delays would be kept short. And MB would get the recognition he seems to deserve (yes, I am still yet to get hold of some of his stuff). Anyway, Its nice to see the jam seems favorable to this idea. So let's push it all the way through, if we have the power.

    BTW: To think about Phil Collins producing DT, one must be real desperate!!!

    >>Subject: YOUR THE ONE! > >Point of clarification: actually, it's "you're" the one.

    Careful, I got flamed for this kind of remark (hi Andy)!!!!

    :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Dave King "holding on is easier than letting go" (fw) ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::


    Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 12:07:27 +0200 From: To: Subject: Wherever DT roams Message-ID: <v02130501ade595ebfc2a@[]>

    Hi there again,

    > Will DT do the same? In the >previously mentioned post the writer hoped it wouldn't be songs like >"Innocence Faded". I agree. "Lie" would be a great direction to stay in as far >as 4/4, radio-written songs go. It's not a compromise in judgement, but easier >for folx to get into than Space Dye Vest.

    It's not up to us to say what direction DT should go into. If they remain honest with themselves as they've been so far, and write the music that comes from within, then DT will be as good as ever and fans will like it, because that's what has been happening so far. IOW: No compromise with others. Only with yourself.

    >This list is primarily for Dream Theater, but it is also >for *related bands*. One could make the case that Metallica >_used_ to be progressive, and is thus related to DT. Hell, >we've tolerated Tori Amos talk for years, and I know she >isn't progressive (musically). So maybye the real purpose of >the 'jam manifests itself: open-minded free-forum conversation >about music that doesn't suck.

    ..and who cares if it sucks??? I think the central jam-point is open-mindedness (I bet I've spelt that wrong. Flame me! flame me!). OK, music should be the central point (because flame-wars on politics/religion etc etc are too easily started and carried out of proportion).

    See ya,

    :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Dave King "holding on is easier than letting go" (fw) ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::


    Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 09:04:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Pat Daugherty <> To: Dream Theater Mailing List <> Subject: more irc help needed Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.960613085642.17312B-100000@bdmserver>


    after typing irc and connecting to some irc site

    I then type /server and I get: *** Connecting to port 6667 of [] nsl connect: (iosb.status in connect 660)J connect: -1 [iosb.status in connect 660] *** could not open connection

    if I type /server 2112 I get the same message as above.

    |-----------------------------------------------------------------------| | Pat Daugherty | |=======================================================================| | "Every breath leaves me one less to my last" --Dream Theater | | "That is not an option, Mr. Mulder" --X-Files | |-----------------------------------------------------------------------| |The Baltimore Orioles-The team to beat in 1996!!!!!!! | Go DC United! | |-----------------------------------------------------------------------|


    Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 15:05:22 +0100 From: borlangw <> To: Subject: Various replies Message-ID: <>

    Matt wrote: > for those interested, i just received confirmation from > FLG/Fierce, my dying bride's US label, that MDB and > paradise lost will be touring the US together

    This will be good! I saw both bands live last year (not on the same night), and they were both extremely cool. PL were headlining, and MDB were supporting Iron Maiden.

    Scott wrote: > And whoever suggested that Portnoy or Petrucci produce it themselves, > right on.

    Mike was asked about this in the new fanzine (I&W #10), and he thought it was a bad idea. Something along the lines of "needing an objective viewpoint in the studio", I think. If you were to buy the fanzine, you'd be able to read it for yourselves ;-)

    Graham B. ____________________________________________________________________________ | | | Graham Borland,, |:: |____________________________________________________________________________|:: ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::


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