YTSEJAM digest 1626

Date: Mon Jun 17 1996 - 03:05:28 EDT

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    Today's Topics:

      1) Things.
     by Michael Bahr <>
      2) DT Boot Discog
     by Michael Burstin <>
      3) metallica again - sorry
      4) Time
      5) What's wrong with this picture??
     by "Ryan P. Skadberg" <>
      6) My take on Load.
     by "John R. Kotzian" <>
      7) Re: What's wrong with this picture??
     by NuGgeTMaN <>
      8) About Autumn Moon (on SFAM)
     by Partha Mukhopadhyay <>
      9) Silent Man single
     by (George Sumschidt)
     10) Open mouth, insert foot
     by Pat Sullivan <>
     11) Glenn Hetfield
     by mike olekshy <>
     12) sick listenings
     13) DT List? KISS and Tori! Etc., etc. . .
     by (Aaron K Silverman)
     14) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1624
     by Dave Fernquist <103362.445@CompuServe.COM>


    Date: Sun, 16 Jun 1996 00:21:28 -0700 (MST)
    From: Michael Bahr <>
    Subject: Things.
    Message-ID: <>

            Subconscious is worth whatever anyone with cash in hand is
    willing to pay for it... since Jim's replica copies are circulating, the
    availability is up, so it might not command the price that, say, Acoustic
    Dreams would. Hard to say.

            As for Metallica "Load"... I say that anyone with a mind open
    enough to appreciate Dream Theater, that dismisses Load, is a hypocrite.

    - voluntas vincit omnia - Mike Bahr - -


    Date: Sun, 16 Jun 1996 08:53:09 -0400 (EDT)
    From: Michael Burstin <>
    Subject: DT Boot Discog
    Message-ID: <>

    > Date: Sun, 16 Jun 1996 02:40:59 -0400
    > From: (Gordon McFee)
    > Subject: Boot Discography
    > I'm looking for a boot discography for DT. There was supposed to
    > be one on the web page but the file was gone. I tried to ftp it from the
    > site indicated in the FAQ but it didn't exist. Is there are an up-to-date
    > FAQ anywhere and is there a boot discography still in existence?

    I still maintain the DT boot disog... although it doesn;t have Mike
    Bahr's CDs on it... as far as I know, it has everything else... URL

    | We can learn from the past | Dream Theater | Michael Burstin     |
    | But those days are gone    +---------------+ Brandeis University |
    | We can hope for the Future | A Change Of   +---------------------+
    | But there may not be one   |    Seasons    |    LET'S GO PENS    |
         For info about Dream Theater, finger


    Date: Sun, 16 Jun 1996 11:59:13 -0400 From: To: Subject: metallica again - sorry Message-ID: <>

    sorry to bring this up yet again, but i felt i had to add my $.02. at first, when i flipped through the CD booklet, i was appalled that Metallica had so drastically changed themselves. i admit, they seemed to have sold out. (anyone trying to be Dave Navarro?) but after listening to the album a few times, i decided that "Load" was, in fact, not bad atall. different, and not even close to the older Metallica, but how many bands are there that sound the same after so long? What about Rush? on "Caress of Steel", Geddy Lee sounds like a Robert Plant clone, but listen to him now... get it? -Lunitaria, Goddess Of Neutrality @}--->>-----


    Date: Sun, 16 Jun 1996 12:08:52 -0400 From: To: Subject: Time Message-ID: <>

    I haven't posted in a long time. I'm posting now to give all you Ytsejammers a break from all this "Load" crap. (There-I said it) I haven't had time to read the past hundred or so jams, so feel free to return to reading more album reviews. I've finally gotten around to really using IRC, and it's been great talking to all of you. On this subject, I'm still trying to get pIRCh to work. Right now, I have to use File Manager to run the .exe file. Any suggestions? I still haven't gotten around to buying a bass amp, but I've saved up most of the money I need in a month and a half. That's a long time for me to not spend money. Right now, it looks like it's between a few SWR's (Basic Black and Workingman's 15) and an Ampeg B-1. I'm going shopping again tomorrow evening. John Myung is (IMHO) the most forgotten DT member. It's strange hearing people suddenly notice what he can do. Don't forget us bass players; your music would sound like crap without us (notable exception: the Doors). Has anyone ever thought that some classical music like "Mars" from the Planets, "Night on Bald Mountain", "Rite of Spring", "Sorcerer's Apprentice", and Wagner's "Ride of the Valkyries" would sound great done in a DT type arrangement? Yes I know that the rock ensemble wouldn't have written it, but it would SOUND cool. We'd advertise it as being by the original composers....... I bought "Chasing Time" a month or so ago. It's my first Fates Warning ever. Wow! I love the classical guitar in "Monument". By far, though, the best song is "At Fates Fingers". I'm working on bass tab for it as an exercise, but if I finish it, I'll post it to the Bass Tab Archive for anyone who's interested. I've been told that the next FW I should get is "Parallels". Not a problem. BUT...what should come after THAT? Huh? Huh?? Well, that just about wraps it up for me. Finally, does anyone have the email address for Gateway 2000's customer service department? My dad wants some Gateway literature, which means we may finally replace this dinosaur. For anyone who wants to laugh at me for having it, it's a Packard Bell 386 SX running at a whopping 16 mHz. 5 MB RAM, 80 MB hard drive or so...

    Mark Tomko -or-


    Date: Sun, 16 Jun 1996 12:20:58 -0400 (EDT) From: "Ryan P. Skadberg" <> To: Subject: What's wrong with this picture?? Message-ID: <>

    Mike Leach wrote:


    Ummmm... hmmmmm... sorry officer, bootlegs are illegal, so none of us law abiding citizens would ever do anything illegal like trade bootlegs or anything ;)

    Halo shining


    -- +-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+ | Ryan P Skadberg | | s y s t e m . a d m i n i s t r a t o r / w e b . d e v e l o p e r | | | +-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+ \ "And every prayer we pray at night has somehow lost its meaning" / \ "Dead Winter Dead" - Savatage / +-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+


    Date: Sun, 16 Jun 1996 13:30:53 -0400 (EDT) From: "John R. Kotzian" <> To: (Explore The Boundries) Subject: My take on Load. Message-ID: <>


    I have to give my opinion on this Load discussion. Yes, the music is good, but the musicianship is nowhere near what they are capable of playing. I mean, Lars playing straight 4/4? Was he in an accident or something? (A little humor, don't get mad.)

    If Metallica had released this album a year and a half after TBA, I would have liked it more, but I have waited 4 and one-half years for this album, and honestly, I feel cheated.

    There are only a couple of songs on the album that are worthy of the name METALlica. There is also, blues-rockica, country-westernica, and of course, alternica. That's fine, but with over four years to work on new material, I expect something a little more inspiring.

    I an finished with this subject. It is all just my opinion. If you disagree, please feel free to email me, and we shall discuss it. Thanx for the time, sorry no DT content. -- _____________________ ____________________________ ________________________________ John R. Kotzian "Pride and ego, my lad. Pride and ego. It's what makes the world rotate!" - Rodney ________________________________ _____________________ ____________________________


    Date: Sun, 16 Jun 1996 13:48:40 -0400 (EDT) From: NuGgeTMaN <> To: "Ryan P. Skadberg" <> Subject: Re: What's wrong with this picture?? Message-ID: <>

    Hmmm...I think I heard about this Florida State University Officer the other day actually. Wow what a WAY Small world we live in eh? Mr. FSU Officer dood, I too am in Tally, and actually I heard from a co-worker of mine that you missed me the other day by just a few minutes. Does the name Becky at Sam Goody in Governor's Square Mall ring a bell by any chance??? Buahahahahahaha Anyways Anyone who's in the north Florida (or more Southern Georgia...there's no freakin' beach here in Tally!) and is a jammer and hasn't hooked up to meet me should REALLY check the local Sam Goody store more often! :) Later Kids!!! (Oh yeah...I hear this officer dood was purdy cool and I'm sure he wouldn't turn us I would say it's safe)

    _*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_* ^ According to the circle of fifths, and the order of sharps and flats: ^ ^ If the alphabet continued as notes progressed (Using Major Key Sigs) ^ ^ (i.e. A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, I, etc.) eventually the key of Z Major ^ ^ would have 4 sharps. ^ ^ Statistics show that if a person is born with Perfect Pitch, chances ^ ^ are they will grow up to be a famous...Baseball Player!!! :) ^ ^ ^ ^ "Just Lighten up and listen to the Music" -Kevin Moore (inside joke) ^ ^ ^ ^ Eric Moegling: ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ HOMEPAGE - ^ ^_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_^


    Date: Sun, 16 Jun 1996 14:59:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Partha Mukhopadhyay <> To: Subject: About Autumn Moon (on SFAM) Message-ID: <>

    That piece reminds me of something Savatage might do for an interlude piece......


    p.s. just got my hands on the GST (the Pantera album, not the Canadian sales tax) anyone else think the last minute or so of the song "Floods" is just monstrously kewl?


    Date: Sun, 16 Jun 1996 15:30:02 -0400 (EDT) From: (George Sumschidt) To: Subject: Silent Man single Message-ID: <>

    I have found another one. Whatta surprise. If you want it, e-mail me and I'll send it to you for $13.00 U.S., that includes the shipping.

    On with the jam, George. ************************************************************** If you see me driving sideways...wave. Never drive faster than your guardian angel can fly.


    Date: Sun, 16 Jun 1996 15:50:54 -0400 From: Pat Sullivan <> To: Subject: Open mouth, insert foot Message-ID: <>

    >>that's almost 4 minutes. Most songs on the album are 5-6 minutes long, and >>Bleeding Me (sic) is over 8 minutes long. > >them". Alas, that wasn't the case. "The Thorn Within" may be over eight

    I would like to publically acknowledge that the song we were referring to was "Bleeding Me". I didn't have a copy of the album here, and I foolishly assumed that someone else knew what they were talking about. My error.

    My comments about the song still stand, even if I don't know what the hell the title is. :)

    Oh, and anyone who doesn't want Metallica posts can bite me. :)

    ________Pat Sullivan__________________________________ E-mail: WWW: IRC: DDictator Aliens: 3rd rock from Sol (the blue one)


    Date: Sun, 16 Jun 1996 16:09:53 -0700 From: mike olekshy <> To: Subject: Glenn Hetfield Message-ID: <>

    hello jammers

    LOAD is not a crappy record, its just that I cant help thinking that Danzig has been putting out the same stuff for the last 10 years. Go on - imagine Glenn Danzig singing "2X4". See, it's not that hard is it!??! I never thought Metallica would put out an album that sounded like anything other than Metallica! But I guess I was wrong.

    So here's to DT sounding like DT forever!!

    cheers, MMO

    in the 3cd changer: Limblifter - Limblifter Saigon Kick - The Lizard Rage Against the Machine - Evil Empire


    Date: Sun, 16 Jun 1996 23:01:41 -0400 From: To: Subject: sick listenings Message-ID: <>

    well, part 2 of my "new albums that have raped me severely" phase. last time i gave mad props to the vernon reid album and the craft soundtrack.

    coltrane- "love supreme". never quite heard saxing like this. and maybe never again. and i still have to listen to "giant steps." (btw, didn't someone say that petrucci did "giant steps"?)

    vernon reid- "mistaken identity". again, my asshole is sore from the guitar violations committed by mr. reid. can't wait to see him tomorrow.

    medeski, martin and wood- "friday afternoon in the universe". there's a lot of noisy clutter, but once they get thru it, they play fuckin amazing. another band i hope to catch soon.

    fiucyznski/medeski- "lunar crush". far out jazz rock album that has some more trippy shit and some awesome guitar work.

    still have to hear "giant steps" and "out of the silent planet" (king's x).

    whoever wrote "who's your daddy" the other day referring to petrucci made me laugh really hard. that was cool. portnoy (i bet) has a leather collar that says "john" on it, cause he's jp's bitch!

    babs- is it that hot and ugly upstate as it is down? at least it ain't snowing again, right? (we got snow in binghamton on may 10th)., that could be taken as being really perverted.

    whoever asked about dt doing karn evil 9, please email if you find out any info, cause i'd like to know too.

    alright. peace out.

    ***************************************************************** david kobayashi lover of all that is musical

    "my yellow in this case is not so mellow, in fact, i'm trying to say it's frightened like me. and all of these emotions of mine keep holding me from giving my life to a rainbow like you...." -j. hendrix

    "through nature's inflexible grace, i'm learning to live." - j. myung *****************************************************************


    Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 00:08:31 PST From: (Aaron K Silverman) To: Subject: DT List? KISS and Tori! Etc., etc. . . Message-ID: <>

    Hey gang,

    Now, I like bootlegs as much as the next guy, but does anyone else here think that stealing a to-be-released tape and spreading it around the net(re: KISS) is way over the line? If I had a 7" tongue and spat blood, I'd be PISSED OFF! My opinion of Tori Amos(because I know you ALL want it!): I like some of her material, BUT when I hear her sing, she takes a breath after each lyric and it sounds like she's sucking air through the microphone! This noise physically gives me a headache, which is too bad, because I'd probably buy an album of hers if it weren't for that. Does anyone else have this problem? Is that supposed to be some kind of "musical feeling" effect, or just a rotten habit? What's THRAK ATTACK??? For our British 'Jammers(or anyone who knows): Can anyone tell me what country the following address is: Pagan Media Ltd. Ceridwyn House Percival Lane Runcorn WA7 4UX

    Is that sufficient info(with country) to get a letter to them? Thanks!

    Party on,


    PS Who's on the lawn for the 7/16 Styx/Kansas show? Email me!

    PPS For those who don't know yet: THE GOOD TIMES VIRUS IS A HOAX!!! It's a rumor that I first heard 2 years ago. . .the PKZIP virus, I have no idea. . .


    Date: 17 Jun 96 01:25:58 EDT From: Dave Fernquist <103362.445@CompuServe.COM> To: "" <> Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1624 Message-ID: <960617052558_103362.445_JHL31-1@CompuServe.COM>

    Joe wrote:

    > For all of you out there that think LOAD is good.. your an idiot.. >and you think Metallica is still good... your a fuckin idiot.. LOAD is the >worst Metallica has sounded in ten years.. That was for Grinder. >Sledge >Sledge..

    Just listen to yourself; who is the fucking idiot here? If you don't like Load, don't listen to it and/or don't bother reading the posts concerning the CD. What's your problem (besides the typos)?

    Moving right along.....Any Southern Cal. 'jammers going to the Scorpions/Alice Cooper show next Saturday night at Irvine Meadows?

    Ben, what has the interest level been for the Vytsecon (Vegas Ytsecon)? Sin City has got to be the best convention town around!



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