YTSEJAM digest 1621

Date: Fri Jun 14 1996 - 01:41:58 EDT

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    Today's Topics:

      1) Tallica (NDTC)
     by eyl7720 <>
      2) King Crimson - Who are they now?
     by Mike Backof <>
      3) Brian Anderson
     by (Barb Battaglia)
      4) irc stuff
     by RipZero <>
      5) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1620
     by Spirit in a Material World <>
      6) Rush's New Album
     by "John R. Kotzian" <>
      7) MetallicA (sowwy NDTC)
     by Achilles <>
      8) Re: Yngwie Popper
     by (Scott Cook)
      9) He he he
     10) The Mighty Met
     11) Re: King Crimson
     by Jon Byrne <>
     12) Re: Yngwie Popper
     by Jon Byrne <>
     13) Oh no.
     by Ben Laussade <>
     14) Wow! E-mail mounds!!
     by Michael Bahr <>
     15) I am out of here
     by Conrad Chi <>
     16) Chopin
     by (Ernesto Schnack)
     17) I'm a happy camper
     by Gilbert Thetgyi <102346.2730@CompuServe.COM>
     18) music that doesn't suck
     by (Ernesto Schnack)


    Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 10:17:43 -0400 (EDT)
    From: eyl7720 <>
    Subject: Tallica (NDTC)
    Message-ID: <>

    >> For people who say Metallica hasn't sold out, what does a band
    >>have to do to sell out? Personally I don't see how Metallica could try
    >>any harder to sell out.

    >So then, if once you you wrote long, epic, heavy songs, and now you write
    >short, simple songs, you sold out? Oh ok, 'scuse my ignorance..

    >What really annoys me about the whole 'selling out' issue is that, if
    >Metallica put out another album like MoP or AJfA, most of the people that
    >say Metallica sold out, would probably be saying that they're just repeating
    >themselves, and sticking to a formula.

         I read an interview with Metallica about 3 1/2 years ago and they
    said they made songs shorter to get more radio airplay. They said they
    did this because radio stations wanted to play the songs from AJFA but
    they were too long, and Metallica then refused to shorten them. Just
    imagine if Dream Theater did this. What would we think of Awake if all
    the songs were sliced in half? Just one in the many ways Metallica has
    sold out.

    "The streets will flow with the blood of the non-believers" -Beavis



    Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 09:26:34 -0700
    From: Mike Backof <>
    Subject: King Crimson - Who are they now?
    Message-ID: <>

    Hello Jammers,

    Someone asked about the current lineup of King Crimson:

    Robert Fripp: (Guitar, Soundscapes) Robert is the mainstay, he has been
          in every incarnation of the band. Also played with Peter Gabriel,
          Dave Sylvian, Brian Eno, David Bowie, Daryl Hall over the years.
          Known for inventing his alternate guitar tuning based on fifths.

    Adrian Belew: (Guitar, MIDI Guitar, Vocals, Percussion) Adrian is the
          frontman for
          the band, he has been voted "most experimental guitarist" several
          times over the years in magazine polls, he has a wild library of
          MIDI effects that he uses during the concerts, no need for a
          keyboard synthesizer in this band. He has also done several solo
          albums, played with Frank Zappa band, The Talking Heads, The Bears,
          and in the studio with Nine Inch Nails.

    Tony Levin: (Bass Guitar, Chapman Stick, Upright Bass, Backing Vocals)
          Tony is an incredible bass player, known primarily for his work
          in the Peter Gabriel band and King Crimson. He also played on tour
          with Anderson, Bruford, Wakeman, and Howe duplicating Chris
          Squire's bass sound. He has invented something called "funk
    fingers" which are small sticks attached to the fingers to
          increase the bass picking speed and tapping ability.

    Trey Gunn: (Warr Guitar, Chapman Stick, Backing Vocals)
          Trey is a guitar student of Robert Fripp who originally started
          as a bass guitarist and now only plays Warr Guitar and Chapman
          Stick. He plays in a ethereal and percussive method (the Warr
          Guitar is a meld of the Chapman Stick and a regular guitar, it
          has the ability to be strummed where the stick is usually tapped).
          He has cut a solo album and played in several of the Fripp- Guitar
          Craft student albums.

    Bill Bruford: (Acoustic & Electronic Percussion)
          Bill is truly the man who needs no introduction. He began as the
          drummer for Yes back in the late 1960s and migrated to King Crimson
          in the 1970s. After the 70s version of King Crimson broke up,
          Bill played in Genesis, Gong, National Health, UK, several solo
          albums, with Patrick Moraz, Earthworks, Crimson again in the 1980s
          Yes on the Union album and ABWH. He is known for his jazz timings
          in rock music and playing on the cusp of the note. Incredible
          drummer, possibly one of the best in rock music.

    Pat Mastelotto: (Acoustic & Electronic Percussion)
          Pat has played in the bands Mr. Mister, and Prometheus over the
          years. Came on to work with Crimson with the formation of the
          current lineup. He looks like Meatloaf but he is really talented
          based upon what I saw of him during the THRAK tour.

    ODTcontent: Mike Portnoy was at the Philly King Crimson show last year
    and it was the first time I got to meet any of the DT band members. Mike
    was a really nice guy (and he probably has a killer DAT of the show

    I have front row tickets for the Merriweather Post show in August, I
    can't wait, these guys are just incredible musicians, I always leave the
    show with such a rush!

    BTW the current lineup has released VROOOM, THRAK, B'Boom, and THRAK



    Michael Backof
    WWW Pages - Unsigned Bands:
    WWW Pages - Inferno Page:


    Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 10:41:59 -0500 (EST)
    From: (Barb Battaglia)
    Subject: Brian Anderson
    Message-ID: <v01510108ade59f45f967@[]>

    >Hey BABS, where are you? (Just checkin' on ya, like I would if you
    >were my neighbor)

    Well that's the worst pick up line I've heard yet (giggle). Just messing
    w/ you Brian. I'm around, just been hanging around trying to catch a tan.
    Does the sun ever shine here? I'm beginning to wonder, this western New
    York weather has to go. BTW, I know where the Finger Lakes are (big
    laugh). I'm probably the only 'jammer that does. Now before everyone
    jumps on a new thread of of what the definition of a Finger Lake is (which
    I'm sure would be very interesting :P) They are five major lakes in New
    York that were founded by Native Americans. Their names are Keuka,
    Canandaigua, Cayuga, Onondaga and Seneca. Oh btw, there are more than
    five, but I can't remember them all.

    OK, history lesson over for today, you may go to recess now!


    Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 10:10:46 -0500
    From: RipZero <>
    To: Heavy Metal Computer Nerds <>
    Subject: irc stuff
    Message-ID: <>

    the reason i'm not taking this to private mail is because it could also
    help some other people out who are trying to get connected. lets go-

    > I then type /server and I get:
    > *** Connecting to port 6667 of []
    > nsl connect: (iosb.status in connect 660)J
    > connect: -1 [iosb.status in connect 660]
    > *** could not open connection
    >if I type /server 2112 I get the same message as above.

    well for some reason it's still trying to connect to port 6667... and if
    its trying to do that its not gonna work. If you use mIRC go into the
    server folder and add the server manually, theres a separate place for
    the port 2112 so you wont have a hard time going wrong. if you dont use
    mIRC you'll have to find a different way of makin' it werk.


    Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 12:06:43 -0400 (EDT)
    From: Spirit in a Material World <>
    Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1620
    Message-ID: <>

            HEy, david kobaiyashi (sorry about the mispelling), i am
    defintely saving up money for the universe ... i really really REALLY
    want one now :)

            i think the only problem with mike bahr doing the next DT is
    album is his reputation as a bootleg maker. Im not sure HOW exactly that
    would work, but i know that petrucci at least does NOT like bootlegs ...
    so I don't know quite how that would all work out. and anyway, hey mike,
    if you do get the job, make sure we can hear the keyboards on this one!
    jp is always too !@#!@!#! loud ....

            personally i think that DT would make a great metal/jazz group
    .. just listen to the outros on "to live forever" from LiT, and the
    moonbubbles from the end of the same song on the WDaTU (by mike bahr).
    they just have such a great groove, and petrucci and derek really tear it
    up (end of TtT on Antiquities). it's great .... sometimes I just put the
    cd's in to listen to their jams! (dodges all flying objects). ok, enough!


    Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 12:22:43 -0400 (EDT)
    From: "John R. Kotzian" <>
    To: (Explore The Boundries)
    Subject: Rush's New Album
    Message-ID: <>

    > May 3 * The new Rush album is titled "Test For Echo". It has 12 tracks,
    > one of which is an instrumental. Album is scheduled for a Sept 3rd
    > release with a tour to follow.


    Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 18:52:47 +0100 (BST)
    From: Achilles <>
    Subject: MetallicA (sowwy NDTC)
    Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.960613184417.28677B-100000@exeter>

    Ytse-Ben said...

    > You decide to stop liking Metallica for one reason...because they
    > started gaining appreciation from the masses. I don't know how long you've
    > been a Metallica fan..if you even were one, but if you were from back in the
    > Ride or Puppets days maybe, did you back then think "Man, Metallica deserves
    > more credit and fans for what they're doing." And now, they do. Take this,

    Sorry, but I disagree. When I'd say "Metallica deserves more credit for
    what they're doing" I would be referring to "Master..". what they get
    credit for today is having Oasis influences, techno remixes, and G'n'R
    like song titles (Ain't my bitch???). It pisses me off how they are still
    called metallica now days, as it will confuse ppl even more about what
    metal REALLY is (as ppl often think "Metallica...oh, that must be metal!").

    sorry for the NDTC, but I guess in a few months' time there will be too
    much DTC anyway ;)

    oh, and Ben, nothing personal!!! =)

    Achilles \"Don't kiss me goodbye 'cause it's never too late"
    Metalhead and \ Shock Paris - Exhibit A
    Dream Theater fan \__________________________________________________


    Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 11:30:51 -0700
    From: (Scott Cook)
    Subject: Re: Yngwie Popper
    Message-ID: <>

    >>Does anybody else think that the harmonica on Blues Traveler's
    >>Four sounds REALLY SHITTY??!!!

    I thought I was the only one! I love BT and John Popper is great, but
    his harmonica playing reminds me of Yngwie. He can't just play the
    Harmonica, he's gotta see how many notes he can cram in every beat. It
    could be a totally mellow song like 'Hook' and there's Popper going off
    like he's having some kind of musical orgasm! To me, there's a place
    for that and sometimes it actually can ruin a good song.


    "Where's your crown King Nothing."


    Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 15:17:36 -0400
    Subject: He he he
    Message-ID: <>

    >>later--------------Brian (Favorite song of the week: The House That Jack
    >Especially since you stole my .sig format.

    Ha! I knew I'd get a response from you! I DON'T NEED YOU ANYMORE! I'VE FOUND
    OTHERS!!!!! HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    (/me is losing his mind in ARKVILLE)



    Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 15:17:57 -0400
    Subject: The Mighty Met
    Message-ID: <>

    >Well, us normal people actually BUY CD's as opposed to signing up to like
    >ten CD clubs so we can get ten free discs over and over again. ;-)

    Why? You got a problem with saving money? Sure, I;m in BMG twice and CH
    twice, but when an album that I've been waiting for, such as Load, comes out,
    I still buy it in the store. BTW, Load was like $12 at The Wall when it came
    out.Also, is it just the fact that I don't have a good ear for percussion
    yet, or is there double bass at 2:17 of "Hero Of The Day"?

    >It seems like a lot of people hate the new Metallica. Some like it. I
    >guess the majority hate it. I love it. May be one of the best cds of 1996
    >in my opinion. This is a great metal/hard rock cd.

    Hey Pat-If you wanna check out a great metal album, the new Pro-Pain comes
    out this week. If you like cruchy guitar and vocals that you can't
    understand, Pro-Pain fucking rules. BTW, any Life Of Agony fans on the jam? I
    went to see them in Poughkeepsie on friday and they did a pretty good show. I
    still don't like the new songs, but the songs from RRR sounded awesome. After
    the show, I hung out outside the tour bus and the band came outdise to hang
    out. Pretty kewl, huh? I got them all to sign my ticket stub and I got a pick
    from Joey Z. The connection here? Sal is out and Dan from Pro-Pain is the new
    drummer. Just a little fact.



    Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 15:27:26 -0400
    From: Jon Byrne <>
    Subject: Re: King Crimson
    Message-ID: <>

    At 08:58 PM 6/12/96 -0700, Ernesto Schnack wrote:

    >Although I haven't heard this lineup, I have heard the Wetton era and I've
    >heard 'Discipline' which was w/ Belew,Bruford and Levin. It is a completely
    >different style; and I assume that the current line-up is more like the
    >'Discipline' sound.

    Actually, the new lineup, based on _Thrak_, blends the two eras quite
    nicely. It takes the real complex rhythmic patterns of _Discipline_ and
    really cranks it, ala _Red_. Great stuff.

    Jonathan Byrne
    West Virginia University College of Law
    "A pretty sight it seemed to be
     An avenue of eternal peace.
     But he said 'What is here can soon burn down
     I'm the king of Sunset Town."
     -"King of Sunset Town", Marillion


    Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 15:27:33 -0400
    From: Jon Byrne <>
    Subject: Re: Yngwie Popper
    Message-ID: <>

    At 11:37 AM 6/13/96 -0700, Scott Cook wrote:
    >I thought I was the only one! I love BT and John Popper is great, but
    >his harmonica playing reminds me of Yngwie. He can't just play the
    >Harmonica, he's gotta see how many notes he can cram in every beat. It
    >could be a totally mellow song like 'Hook' and there's Popper going off
    >like he's having some kind of musical orgasm! To me, there's a place
    >for that and sometimes it actually can ruin a good song.

    Amen. This is the one thing that has kept me from really enjoying Blues
    Traveller. To hear some really great harp playing that isn't all flash, get
    any of the Bela Fleck albums with Howard Levy.

    Jonathan Byrne
    West Virginia University College of Law
    "A pretty sight it seemed to be
     An avenue of eternal peace.
     But he said 'What is here can soon burn down
     I'm the king of Sunset Town."
     -"King of Sunset Town", Marillion


    Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 12:35:59 -0700
    From: Ben Laussade <>
    Subject: Oh no.
    Message-ID: <>

    >Does anybody else think that the harmonica on Blues Traveler's Four sounds
    >REALLY SHITTY??!!! Don't get me wrong, I love that album, but I cringe at
    >that whiney-ass harmonica solo that acompanies each and every song (puke).
    >That guy who played harmonica for Megaseth (that's supossed to be Megadeth,
    >but it's just a really cool typo, from now opn refer to me as MegaSeth ;-)
    >could play MUCH better harmonica solos.

    AAAHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NO NO NO!!!!!!!

            John Popper is the HARMONICA GOD. END OF STORY.

    >Maplethorpe rocks!!!! (he causes excessive desire for extensive
    >psychotherapy however). My uncle and aunt have his works as a COFFEE TABLE

    How about a coffee table book about coffee tables?

    >I think Mike Portnoy and Mike Bahr could well produce the next DT. This
    >way, MP would sure get the drum sound he wants w/o hassle and delays would
    >be kept short. And MB would get the recognition he seems to deserve (yes, I
    >am still yet to get hold of some of his stuff).

    No offense to Mike Bahr, but if he's going to do it it couldn't be for
    recognition alone, you know? We still want a good sounding DT album. Now,
    I'm not saying that Mike wouldn't be a great producer (I don't know..I've
    been cashless and not bought any of his stuff), but it can't be just for
    fame and fortune.

    >IOW: No compromise with others. Only with yourself.

    You forgot to put "Wise man say"

    ex: Wise man say this post over.

    Screaming from the minarets, I listen openly....
    Ben Laussade


    Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 12:59:44 -0700 (MST)
    From: Michael Bahr <>
    Subject: Wow! E-mail mounds!!
    Message-ID: <>

    I don't mean for you all to send me coconut candybars either. :)

            I've had a steadily growing backlog of e-mail all week as Scenes
    shipping continues, AQ shipping slows down, and Critical Mass is coming
    right up. As a result, please understand if your mail goes unanswered for
    a short time. I promise I'll get to it ASAP.

            Of course, this doesn't mean not to mail me... I definitely don't
    mind it and I'm happy to respond to e-mail anytime, and I like hearing
    from all of you. It's just a matter of volume that's slowing me down. If
    you don't mind the delay, I don't mind the quantity. :)

    - voluntas vincit omnia - Mike Bahr - -


    Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 14:36:40 -0700 (PDT)
    From: Conrad Chi <>
    Subject: I am out of here
    Message-ID: <>

            School is out and so is my first year of the ytsejam! A few things:

            -I checked the Sabian homepage and they have listings for
             clinics that their endorsers are doing. They listed Portnoy's
             June 8th clinic in Florida but didn't have anymore.

            -I got the new Empire Ent. order form a little while ago
             and as reported, SUPERIOR is on their list! Empire is a main
             distributor for bands like ANGRA (the new one is pretty good!),
             VIPER, ATTACK, and HEAVEN's GATE. Pretty good company!

            only 5-7 months till the new album!!!!
            I will be back just in time to here the buzz!

            Conrad Chi UCSB - (party hearty!!!)

                    "Before you fly, you have to cry sometimes"
                                            --Crimson Glory


    Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 00:08:42 -0400
    From: (Ernesto Schnack)
    Subject: Chopin
    Message-ID: <>

    OK, a question: om this month's GW online, Petrucci put Chopin's Piano
    Concerto in A minor, Opus No. 2 arranged for guitar on his lesson. Now I
    know that he played a chopin piece in his clinics...was it this one???? It's
    a very chromatic piece. Well, what I want to know is, how fast is it? It's
    supposed to be hard to play, but at the speed he was playing it in the
    samples, it's quite easy... so is it supposed to be really ultra-fast,
    shred-o-mania fast? anybody know?

    Funky Cold Medina
    Ernie :)


    Date: 14 Jun 96 00:38:17 EDT
    From: Gilbert Thetgyi <102346.2730@CompuServe.COM>
    To: ytsejam <>
    Subject: I'm a happy camper
    Message-ID: <960614043817_102346.2730_HHQ35-1@CompuServe.COM>

    One of the local radio stations has a contest where you can win tickets and a
    bus ride to see Dave Matthews Band at Pine Knob in Michigan. Well, yesterday
    I finally got through, and the question was: "What kind of guitar does Dave
    Matthews play?" The first caller responded "acoustic". Buzz! Next caller.
    next caller replied "Ibanez". And so on...5 more people got it wrong, one
    said "Fender Stratocaster". The winner ended up being a female who correctly
    guessed "Gibson". Me being a guitar player, I knew it was a Chet Atkins model,
    type of wood, etc. And the whole time, all I got was the sound of the phone
            Today, they placed the contest 45 minutes later. As soon as I heard
    the bumper music, I called, and got through. I would be the first "contestant"
    today. I was expecting a trivia question, and they changed the format. Instead
    of DMB trivia, I had to endure "elevator music": they re-did a current song,
    made it into elevator music. Since the station was primarily alternative, I was
    expecting Green Day or The Cure. I was nervous the whole time, and I probably
    ended up sounding like a dork. The fact that I was using a lousy phone didn't
    They played the music; it was DMB's "Too Much". Of course, I got it right, and
    going to DMB (for free) in Detroit. I'm also registered for the grand prize: a
    guitar signed by Dave himself. That's why I'm a happy camper. If this is the
    for a malfunctional alternator, then I'll never think the same way of car
    trouble again.
    The person who invented speed-dialing has just surpassed the inventor of sliced
    bread, IMO. I just hope I'm not the oldest winner. There is justice...

                                                    The House I Built,

                                                    G. Jack Thetgyi


    Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 23:19:09 -0400
    From: (Ernesto Schnack)
    Subject: music that doesn't suck
    Message-ID: <>

    >an album that contained Another Day, WfS, IF, and LSoaD, what the hell
    >would we have thought of them? Well, some of you might've liked it---
    >the ones who think Dominici should rejoin the band.

    Well I wouldn't consider they were selling out because that's not the type
    of music that's popular right now, unless they were trying to hit big on the
    Adult Contemporary charts. Besided, I still find all of those songs to be
    quite awesome... I probably wouldn't like DT as much, since the main reason
    I like DT so much is because of thier variety... they pretty much mesh all
    the styles of music I like into one nice progressive soup. And I definitely
    DON'T think that Dominici should rejoin the band. (I'm glad that this thread
    has taken a DT direction:) )

    >isn't progressive (musically). So maybye the real purpose of
    >the 'jam manifests itself: open-minded free-forum conversation
    >about music that doesn't suck.

    I couldn't have said it better :)

    >My musical tastes are primarily the same as it was 10 years ago. I prefer
    >hard rock/heavy metal. Nowdays I am more into prog rock/metal, but
    >that is still hard rock/metal.

    well ok, change might've not been the right word, but wouldn't you say that
    your tastes have expanded over the years? I'm sure you're more open-minded
    about music now than when you were 12 years old.(or whatever age you were 10
    years ago)

    Funky Cold Medina
    Ernie :)


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