YTSEJAM Digest 1628
Today's Topics:
1) Re: Odds'n'ends
by Jon Byrne <rael@access.mountain.net>
2) bass tendencies
by Durindfire@aol.com
3) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1627
by John Mastin <johnny@psa.pencom.com>
4) Album Recommendtions...
by "James R. McKenzie" <jrmckenzie@pdn.net>
5) MIDWEST YTSECON
by "Scott D. Duren" <103430.227@CompuServe.COM>
6) YTSEJAM
by "Scott D. Duren" <103430.227@CompuServe.COM>
7) WILD RAGS
by "BRENDEN R. THOMSON" <s875983@student.gu.edu.au>
8) Re: forgot a couple somethings...
by Tymoteusz Altman <altman@sfu.ca>
9) Jammers web page list
by Mark Smeets <msmeets@ibm.net>
10) oops, and multimedia project featuring DT
by Tymoteusz Altman <altman@sfu.ca>
11) various
by "Jeff Falk" <King_of_the_Nighttime_World@msn.com>
12) Dead Summer Dead?
by zack@lsil.com (Zack Gemmill)
13) Pantera list?
by "L. Jason Hartman" <lhartm1@gl.umbc.edu>
14) Re: "asdf"
by jforte@acl.nyit.edu (Oh yeah, that guy)
15) yj shirt idea...Marillion
by ernie@mail.pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack)
16) Things
by Mithrandir <mithrandir@pb.net>
17) Angelkill, you Thief!
by nishiki@juno.com (Aaron K Silverman)
18) someone to subscribe wants
by akyuz@ltp.dmx.epfl.ch
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Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 17:18:08 -0400
From: Jon Byrne <rael@access.mountain.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Odds'n'ends
Message-ID: <1.5.4.16.19960618171801.20e7a87c@access.mountain.net>
At 07:17 AM 6/17/96 -0700, Neil Gallop wrote:
>6. Did Greg Finger Lake used to play for King Crimson, or am I getting old
>and confused (old Led Zep song possibly) again?
Yep. Lake was an original member of Crimson. Makes you appreciate John Wetton!
BTW, I think the old Zep tune would be "Dazed and Confused," which probably
applies to a lot of Jammers. :)
>7. Damon Hill rules.
Oh no, not one of those! :)
FORZA FERRARI!!!
Jonathan Byrne
rael@access.mountain.net
West Virginia University College of Law
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"A pretty sight it seemed to be
An avenue of eternal peace.
But he said 'What is here can soon burn down
I'm the king of Sunset Town."
-"King of Sunset Town", Marillion
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Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 17:27:19 -0400
From: Durindfire@aol.com
To: Dinotopia <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: bass tendencies
Message-ID: <960617172717_219207015@emout12.mail.aol.com>
Ytsejam Digest 1626
Mark Tomko wrote...
> John Myung is (IMHO) the most forgotten DT member. It's strange
> hearing people suddenly notice what he can do. Don't forget us bass
> players; your music would sound like crap without us (notable exception:
the
> Doors).
John Myung the most forgotten DT member??? Who would've thought? ;)
I've always noticed how Myung can play those fast and often complicated lines
without having the urge to suddenly break into a wild funk-slap solo. You'll
notice that on LATM that Myung gets the most cheers after his solo in
Metropolis. I guess everyone just wants him to bust loose like that more
often.
But a long while back someone posted that John M would be the 2nd hardest
DT member to replace (2nd to JP, of course). Personally, I'd have to
disagree. Though JM is a fantastic player, there are lots of really good
bassists out there hiding out in lesser-known bands, or doing studio work
with solo musicians. I suppose it's just the shy quality of many bass
players.
> Has anyone ever thought that some classical music like "Mars" from
> the Planets, "Night on Bald Mountain", "Rite of Spring", "Sorcerer's
> Apprentice", and Wagner's "Ride of the Valkyries" would sound great done in
> a DT type arrangement?
Someone's been watching Fantasia.
later
"Duckbill! Watermole! DUCKMOLE!!!!!!!!!"
---Mr. Bungle
dave.
impatiently waiting for the 6-string bass he ordered to come in
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Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 17:10:14 -0500 (CDT)
From: John Mastin <johnny@psa.pencom.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1627
Message-ID: <199606172210.RAA29871@psa.pencom.com>
Yo, yo, yo! Hey, two posts in two weeks. Wow, have I got idle time! :D
Anyway, I have been catching up on a few Jams and forgive me is some of
my commentary is out of date.
My fellow Metallica fans... Um, er, wow, for a minute there, I thought
that I was on the Metallica list. :D
Someone asked about the Good Times virus. Yes, the virus is just a scare.
And as many have pointed out, the virus is actually the warning of the
virus. As for being able to execute binary files when coded through mail,
yes, in some mailers it is possible. Yes, they have to be encoded into
ASCII but some mailers are able to interpret MIME and uuencoded files, so
just be careful if your mailer does.
Someone said that they heard "Enter Sandman" in St Louis. Now for the
scary news. There used to be a quote that went like "When Hell freezes
over". There was also one that floated around that went like "When PAt
Boone sings Heavy Metal. Well, Pat Boone is going to record a metal
album. No joke. Word has it that it is going to have Iron Maiden, Ozzy
covers on it. I actually heard part of his "Enter Sandman" cover. Be
afraid. Be very afraid.
Someone mentioned about how long people have been waiting for the next DT
album. Geez, try waiting for the next Boston album.... :D
In the wheel, spinning away,
Johnny Motown
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Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 18:45:09 -0400
From: "James R. McKenzie" <jrmckenzie@pdn.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Album Recommendtions...
Message-ID: <2.2.16.19960617184753.3687b876@pdn.net>
JRMCKENZIE here,
I've been seeing alot about groups like SHADOW TOWER in this digest but I've
yet to see the one thing that helps me find them, the label they record on.
Also are there any other bands in the same genre? I've seen QUEENSRYCHE in
concert (Blew everyone away) and liked 'em for years before that. My first
concert was actually going to see "NANTUCKET" open in 1980 for an Australian
group I'd never heard of at ther time , AC/DC. The tickets only cost $8
back then. Yeah, I'm "THAT" old.
Oh well to the point of this meandering diatribe. Can anyone recommend any
groups in the same vien as DT also including the label[s] they have recorded
for and do record on now? I believe I made a similar reqest in my only
other posting to date but still I'm kinda looking for a long list, it's more
likely that I can find something from it (the list) this way.
That's it for this'n
JAM ES R. McKENZIE
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Date: 17 Jun 96 18:51:17 EDT
From: "Scott D. Duren" <103430.227@CompuServe.COM>
To: YTSEJAM <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: MIDWEST YTSECON
Message-ID: <960617225116_103430.227_JHM168-2@CompuServe.COM>
Anyone know when/where/if the Midwest Ytse-con will be coming? I heard late
July in Chicago or Milw. several months ago. Anyone know?! And just what is it
anyway??!!
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Date: 17 Jun 96 18:51:16 EDT
From: "Scott D. Duren" <103430.227@CompuServe.COM>
To: YTSEJAM <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: YTSEJAM
Message-ID: <960617225115_103430.227_JHM168-1@CompuServe.COM>
Is this jam the moderated or unmoderated one, because it seems to have a lot of
junk on it the past several months since the switch??!!
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Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 09:21:11 +1000 (EST)
From: "BRENDEN R. THOMSON" <s875983@student.gu.edu.au>
To: ytsejam <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: WILD RAGS
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.960618092004.17091B-100000@frodo.student.gu.edu.au>
Someone posted a message about ordering some release from WILD
RAGS - the guy from this label - Richard - has ripped heaps of people off!!
See ya - Brenden
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Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 17:25:32 -0700 (PDT)
From: Tymoteusz Altman <altman@sfu.ca>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: forgot a couple somethings...
Message-ID: <199606180025.AAA13060@fraser.sfu.ca>
Hey,
if you still want pictures (i'm WAY behind on my jams -- like 1700 messages
in my mailbox!) i could send you the pics on a disk if you want.
just email me your address :)
tim
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Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 16:17:47 PST
From: Mark Smeets <msmeets@ibm.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Jammers web page list
Message-ID: <199606180026.AAA72744@pop01.ny.us.ibm.net>
** Reply to note from ytsejam@ax.com 06/17/96 2:41pm -0700
I'm way ahead of you with the list of jammers web page, I
already got around 130 something of you guys, I still have
more to put it as well. Which reminds me, I have my web
page back as well.
http://www.smartt.com/~jsmeets/stranger/stranger.htm
Go to the links page and let that big fucker load up, I
counted how many links I had last night, 965...missed 1000
by 35 :( oh well. Check the page out.
To the guy that Bought Handful of Rain by Savatage...how
can you NOT like Moonchild, that has to be one of maidens
best songs and heaviest. Taunting is an ok song but shit,
Moonchild, how can you slam it.
Mark
/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\|
"To each his own and his own be damned"
msmeets@ibm.net or msmeets@smartt.com
http://www.smartt.com/~jsmeets/stranger/stranger.htm
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Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 17:37:53 -0700 (PDT)
From: Tymoteusz Altman <altman@sfu.ca>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: oops, and multimedia project featuring DT
Message-ID: <199606180037.AAA16083@fraser.sfu.ca>
Hi,
first off, sorry for sending a message to the jam tha was supposed to
be personal...i hate it when i don't think, and reply to a message which
then goes to the jam :) argh!
and now for the important part...for my Multimedia class i have to do a
major project. I want to incorporate DT into it in some way.
I already handed in an assignment featuring DT. it was an AVI movie with
clips from the Live In Tokyo video.
The big project has to incorporate, text, sound, video, graphics, etc.
so i thought that it would be the perfect time to incorporate DT into something
i have to do for school anyway...
i would like some suggestions from you guys...that would help me out!
i've already thought about doing a CD-ROM (we'll eventually put the projects
onto cds) which would be "Everything You Ever Wanted to Know About Dream Theater"
kind of thing.
It would be a more indepth version of the DT Interactive thing that's on the
net. It would include information about the band, pictures, video clips,
sound clips, tab, etc.
what i'd need is permission from people to use their stuff. for example i
would like to include information on the band, so it would save me a lot of
time if i could use the FAQ or such document that's available on the net.
same thing for pictures that are available on people's web pages.
I guess it would probably be best if i email the people if i'm interested
in their stuff.
but i'd like to see if any of you have some other ideas on a possible
multimedia project that features DT.
maybe this could be a new thread, which actually has some DTC :)
thanks!
tim
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Date: Tue, 18 Jun 96 00:10:51 UT
From: "Jeff Falk" <King_of_the_Nighttime_World@msn.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: various
Message-ID: <UPMAIL05.199606180103010603@msn.com>
Most of you have no idea who I am, but I am not new. I have some things to
say about recent posts, though.
>> As for Metallica "Load"... I say that anyone with a mind open
>>enough to appreciate Dream Theater, that dismisses Load, is a hypocrite.
>You don't need an open mind to like Dream Theater, just good taste. And my
>good taste doesn't like Load. ;-)))
I couldn't have said that much better myself. If an "open mind" means not
discriminating against crap that deserves no respect, than I can't understand
how an "open mind" would like Dream Theater, because that mind would accept
the latest fads (Bush and those other awful bands) as much as the great band
that this list is dedicated to. (For the record, I have not heard most of
Load, and I will not comment on it. I was not referring to Load above.)
>How many of you agree with me that Mr. Kizer should get himself a state job
>if it bothers him so much?
I disagree (as usual). Unless I misunderstand you, a state job is a job
working for a state government. There are far, far too many government jobs
at state and federal levels (and probably local, as well). Please find
employment in the private sector.
>Van Halen with Balance sounds nothing like VH1 (if the singers were the
>same it would still not sound the same)
>Rush obviously has changed since the album Rush
Really? I mean, just because Geddy's voice has lowered a few octaves and
they've cut their song lengths in half ...
No, seriously, your right, but both of these bands changed for the better and
they still kick ass. (They're two of my personal favorites.)
>>
>>Hey gang,
>>
>> Now, I like bootlegs as much as the next guy, but does anyone
>> else here
>> think that stealing a to-be-released tape and spreading it around the
>> net(re: KISS) is way over the line? If I had a 7" tongue and spat
>> blood, I'd be PISSED OFF!
>Like if you could get an unoffical copy of the next Dream Theater album
>you wouldn't jump on the offer?
I just got the new Kiss tape. If I was involved with that recording in any
way (or any other leaked recordings), I'd be very upset. That didn't stop me
from getting it, but I got it through trading (I didn't buy it). I'm starting
to have more problems with bootlegs (even though I have a few), especially
studio outtakes (concerts are more acceptable). As long as it's available
easily, I'll get it, but I would never steal a tape like that and distribute
it.
Now for Dream Theater content (you're welcome)
Am I the only person on here that thinks that "Innocence Faded" is one of the
top two or three songs on Awake?
Did anybody else go to the 12/29/95 show at the Birch Hill Nite Club (I was
there, my only Dream Theater show).
Is the Guitar Center in Boston (where John's clinic is scheduled) that place
on Commonwealth Avenue near Boston University? (I'm going there this fall by
the way for anyone interested. Too bad I missed this clinic.)
more non-Dream Theater content (sorry)
Does anyone here like Ayn Rand or Bruce Springsteen?
Don't take any of the above personal, I made enemies on another mailing list;
that is not my intention, I just am outspoken at times.
Sorry about the length, but since I haven't posted very often, am I not
entitled to a long post occasionally?
Jeff Falk
King_of_the_Nighttime_World@msn.com
"It's a town full of losers, and I'm pullin' out of here to win!!"
Bruce Springsteen, "Thunder Road"
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Date: Mon, 17 Jun 96 18:17:26 PDT
From: zack@lsil.com (Zack Gemmill)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Dead Summer Dead?
Message-ID: <9606180117.AA18889@tengs1>
From: RipZero <ripzero@dreamt.org>
Subject: Dead Summer Dead?
anyone else notice that Dead Winter Dead was recorded in June
July and August?
:)
~Rip
D00d! What the hell are they teaching in publik skools
these daze??? Like, _everybody_ knows that it's *winter*
over there when it's *summer* over here! Get a clue !>)>
Zach
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Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 22:05:26 -0400 (EDT)
From: "L. Jason Hartman" <lhartm1@gl.umbc.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Pantera list?
Message-ID: <199606180205.WAA02856@umbc10.umbc.edu>
Sorry for the no DTC but could someone tell me how to subscribe to
the previously mentioned Pantera mailing list?
Thanks!
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* Jason Hartman "I am the Killing Hand!" lhartm1@gl.umbc.edu *
* *
* You're fighting the weight of the world, *
* and no one can save you this time. *
* Close your eyes - you can find all you need in your mind. *
* *
* "Take the Time" - Dream Theater *
**************************************************************************
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Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 22:19:37 -0400
From: jforte@acl.nyit.edu (Oh yeah, that guy)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: "asdf"
Message-ID: <96061722193730@acl.nyit.edu>
>PLEASE SEND ME ALL THE INFO YOU CAN. I'M A BIG DREAM THEATER FAN AT THEFLORIDA
>STATE UNIV. POLICE DEPT. I WANT TO FIND OUT MORE ABOUT THE NEW CD ANDWHERE I
>CAN GET BOOTLEG CD'S AND VIDEOS. THANKS
Its bad enough he sent this here, but he had to scream as well.
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Chambers jforte@acl.nyit.edu
"Hope is epidemic, optimism spreads, bitterness breeds irritation, ignorance
breeds imitation" --Rush
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Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 23:03:36 -0400
From: ernie@mail.pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: yj shirt idea...Marillion
Message-ID: <19960618030330.AAA6180@mail.pananet.com>
I got an idea for a new ytsejam t-shirt... the front could be anything cool
like the majesty symbol or sumthin'. But on the back, put "PROG'S NOT DEAD"
as opposed to PUNK'S NOT DEAD.... howz about it? I thought about it after
seeing a guy wearing one of those shirts, and thinking 'no shit, but I hope
it dies soon':)... and then I thought that it would make more sense w/ prog,
since its not too popular right now....
BTW, I do like some punk... particularly NOFX and Pennywise...and Bad
Religion too...
Hey FREAKS! (Itchy, where art thou?) What was Marillions last studio
realease? I saw a CD today (I can't remember the title), and I couldn't see
the year anywhere... but the cover had a woman, or maybe it was an angel,
and I remember fire. (FIRE BAD) It seemed recent because the little side
thing on the case was see-thru. I'm curious because it;s the first Marilion
CD I see in Panama besides Brave and the greatest hits CD.
RUSH PHUQING RULZ!! I had forgetten that they do that:) I just bought Exit
Stage Left and All the World's a Stage...I hadn't heard YYZ live in so long.
And for those interested, I also bought Moving Pictures(finally got it on
CD), Extreme's Pornografitti(same parenthetical comment), Phish's A Live One
($15.99 for a double CD!!! not too many Phish fans in Panama:) ) and LatM
for $13.99 (couldn't resist).
and out of all of those, the Phish one was the only one I hadn't heard b4.
catch-ya latah...
Oh and Steven, I think your discussion w/ Ben is pretty much over since he's
like, not in the continent at the moment :)
P.S.
Anybody who has a mind open enough to appreciate DT, and doesn't like the
Beatles, is a hypocrite ;) ;) ;)
HEEEEEEEY!!! I'm seeing Ozzy on Letterman... IS THAT ROBERT TRUJILLO PLAYING
BASS????? YES!!!!! now THAT is an awesome bass player....
/me thinks he will buy Ozzmosis...( not because of Trujillo...I liked the song)
ok, later (this time for real)
Funky Cold Medina
Ernie :)
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Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 22:46:34 -0700 (PDT)
From: Mithrandir <mithrandir@pb.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Things
Message-ID: <199606180546.WAA19428@mindcrime.ax.com>
Howdy everybody!!!
Anyone else notice how quiet it gets when Me, Mojo, and D-man don't
post? Well I am back.
I just ran into Ken Myung, and he let me hear Raise the Knife again
(he truly is a cool person, he got the outgoing personality in that family)
and I must say that I can't wait to hear the finished project. I played him
"Antiquities, and WDATU" and he thought they were cool. He laughed when he
heard the vocalist auditions, and said he remembered when Steve Stone stayed
at his house during his tryout. He said he would do his vocal excersises as
soon as he woke up, really anoying he added. Also told me he has better
sounding versions of the auditions, but John told him if he lets anyone get
a copy, he will kill him. He said John does not mind the bootleg trade, in
fact he is the one who lent me The dance of eternity back in 1993. If anyone
wants to check out his web page the addres is http://www.audiovox.com
Please do not fill his mailbox with stupid questions however, or I will be
cut off from hearing more stuff, and then I become miserable.
Karri, Did you get my latest batch of questions? Are they that tough?
Ben Laussade, I e-mailed you with some help on "Scarred", did it
help? Did you get it?
Mojoman; BD real soon, it pays to close the store sometimes!!!!!!!
Power Windows this Saturday at N.Y. avenue for anyone interested,
E-Mail me
M I T H R A N D I R D E L V E S I N T O H I S
W E A L T H O F K N O W L E D G E A G A I N !!!!!!!!
Elen sila lumenn omentilmo, Mithrandir
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Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 01:58:38 PST
From: nishiki@juno.com (Aaron K Silverman)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Angelkill, you Thief!
Message-ID: <19960618.020504.15615.2.nishiki@juno.com>
Sinista,
Did you steal Beyond the Black from Metal Church, or is it used in
tribute??? :)
Couldn't resist spouting about one of the most underrated bands in
history. . .
Party on,
DJKA
PS Does anyone have Negatron, by Voivod? Please email me, I got it but
there is no multimedia track on the disc! Has anyone else had this problem, or is my disc just defective???
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Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 09:08:04 +0200
From: akyuz@ltp.dmx.epfl.ch
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: someone to subscribe wants
Message-ID: <v02130500adec05998eb9@[128.178.99.94]>
>Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 04:13:10 -0400
>From: YUTAKA OTSUKA <ootsuk3y@dj.kit.ac.jp>
>To: ytsejam@ax.com
>Subject: asdf (WWW generated email)
>Message-ID: <199606170813.EAA17991@nermal.catt.ncsu.edu>
>
>what I should subscribe?
What you subscribe must?
What think about it do you?
........................................................................
D A V E K I N G
"If you see a problem where there is none, then the problem is YOU" (dk)
"holding on is easier than letting go" (fw)
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