YTSEJAM Digest 1630
Today's Topics:
1) YTSEJAM digest
by etl.etlaywg@memo.ericsson.se
2) Re: The State
by Monty Newberry <mjnewb@mo.net>
3) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1628
by btomko@main.glasscity.net
4) La Di Da ....
by "Ryan P. Skadberg" <skadberg@wicked.stigmata.org>
5) Jaime ....
by "Ryan P. Skadberg" <skadberg@wicked.stigmata.org>
6) Pat Boone
by John Mastin <johnny@psa.pencom.com>
7) More Rush News for those interested
by "Donald Dintaman" <Donald.Dintaman@nmb.norwest.com>
8) YTSEJAM digest 1629
by "Steven Johnson" <svjohnson@amoco.com>
9) Proof?
by Partha Mukhopadhyay <ahtrap@umich.edu>
10) Re: oops, and multimedia project featuring DT
by mrkizer@CCGATE.HAC.COM
11) Re: oops, and multimedia project featuring DT
by Tymoteusz Altman <altman@sfu.ca>
12) Logic, shmogic
by zack@lsil.com (Zack Gemmill)
13)
by Adam Barnhart <adamb@cfmc.com>
14)
by John McCabe <caber1@cris.com>
15) argh! CD production over budget.
by Michael Bahr <durnik@indirect.com>
16) Re: Savatage Dead Summer Dead
by Sava Web <savaweb@winternet.com>
17) **NEW** LIMITED ED. DT. IMPORT CD ..HERE!
by Tim Lodge <axe@usa.nai.net>
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Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 16:38:16 +0200
From: etl.etlaywg@memo.ericsson.se
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: YTSEJAM digest
Message-ID: <01I6278I44JM9856LT@edt.ericsson.se>
Re: The garbage reply below to somebody who needed help in digest 1628...
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Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 09:08:04 +0200
From: akyuzIltp.dmx.epfl.ch
To: ytsejamIax.com
Subject: someone to subscribe wants
Message-ID: <v02130500adec05998eb9ID128.178.99.94E>
>Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 04:13:10 -0400
>From: YUTAKA OTSUKA <ootsuk3yIdj.kit.ac.jp>
>To: ytsejamIax.com
>Subject: asdf (WWW generated email)
>Message-ID: <199606170813.EAA17991Inermal.catt.ncsu.edu>
>
>what I should subscribe?
What you subscribe must?
What think about it do you?
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D A V E K I N G
"If you see a problem where there is none, then the problem is YOU" (dk)
"holding on is easier than letting go" (fw)
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Hey matey,
That's pretty 'funny' taking the piss out of people's request for help,
when, obviously, they should be as fluent and literate as yourself.
I mean, for 'gawds' sake if they can't be bothered to learn the language
properly then just repeat IT LOUDER to them :(
Regards...
Ash (etl.etlaywg/memo.ericsson.se) - that's my address, email me with the
sphinct you may have say.
p.s Sorry jammers, it really got on my wick when I saw that.
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Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 10:18:30 -0500
From: Monty Newberry <mjnewb@mo.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: The State
Message-ID: <31C6C8C6.C63@mo.net>
> "The State" was a really funny show, despite all of the terrible reviews...
Yeah, dude. I just saw part of a Spring Break thing I taped a
while back (I watched it because The State was on) where The cast of The
State did this really interesting (and hilarious) take on Macbeth.
Dale R. Newberry
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Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 11:28:19 -0400
From: btomko@main.glasscity.net
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1628
Message-ID: <B0000144284@home.glasscity.net>
>> Has anyone ever thought that some classical music like "Mars" from
>> the Planets, "Night on Bald Mountain", "Rite of Spring", "Sorcerer's
>> Apprentice", and Wagner's "Ride of the Valkyries" would sound great done in
>> a DT type arrangement?
>
>Someone's been watching Fantasia.
Actually, our copy has been gathering dust for some time. Here's a few
other pieces the aren't on Fantasia that would work: Stravinsky's "The
Firebird", and "Song of the Nightingale"; the last movement of Hovhaness's
"Mount St. Helens Symphony" and the Double Fugue from his "Mysterious
Mountain"; Shostakovitch's "Festival Overature"and his fifth symphony,
Grieg's "Ases Tod" and Tanz in der Halle des Bergkoenigs (Dance in the Hall
of the Mountain Kings) and Beethoven's overature to "Egmont".
>impatiently waiting for the 6-string bass he ordered to come in
Lucky...What kind is it?
>Does anyone here like Ayn Rand (edited)?
Hell Yes!!!!!!!!
Mark
spector@dreamt.org
-or-
btomko@main.glasscity.net
"How many boards would the Mongols hoard if the Mongol hordes got bored?"
-Calvin
"Don't look into car headlights and freeze, because you'll either get run
over or shot." -Hobbes
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Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 11:34:25 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Ryan P. Skadberg" <skadberg@wicked.stigmata.org>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: La Di Da ....
Message-ID: <199606181534.LAA25032@wicked.stigmata.org>
Sup all?
Jeff Falk asked:
> Is the Guitar Center in Boston (where John's clinic is scheduled) that place
> on Commonwealth Avenue near Boston University? (I'm going there this fall by
> the way for anyone interested. Too bad I missed this clinic.)
That would be the place :) 7PM tonight :)
Skadz
PS - OH NO! More ytsejammers in Boston ;)
-- +-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+ | Ryan P Skadberg skadz@mindstorm.com | | s y s t e m . a d m i n i s t r a t o r / w e b . d e v e l o p e r | | http://www.bluesky.net/skadz/ http://www.dreamt.org/ | +-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+ \ "And every prayer we pray at night has somehow lost its meaning" / \ "Dead Winter Dead" - Savatage / +-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+------------------------------
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 11:56:30 -0400 (EDT) From: "Ryan P. Skadberg" <skadberg@wicked.stigmata.org> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Jaime .... Message-ID: <199606181556.LAA25153@wicked.stigmata.org>
Jaime our wonderfully evil dragon friend wrote:
> Skadz says: > > << Halo shining >> > > ..at a 45 degree angle. ;)
Well, you can just ask all the jammers who are sleeping at my place tonight what angle my halo is on after they had a nice comfortable floor to sleep on and didn't have to drive 5 hours home :P
OR, you can just come see for yourself. :P
Skadz
-- +-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+ | Ryan P Skadberg skadz@mindstorm.com | | s y s t e m . a d m i n i s t r a t o r / w e b . d e v e l o p e r | | http://www.bluesky.net/skadz/ http://www.dreamt.org/ | +-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+ \ "And every prayer we pray at night has somehow lost its meaning" / \ "Dead Winter Dead" - Savatage / +-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+
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Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 11:25:44 -0500 (CDT) From: John Mastin <johnny@psa.pencom.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Pat Boone Message-ID: <199606181625.LAA09996@psa.pencom.com>
Dale Newberry writes: > Where on earth did you hear this little bit of scary > information?
Actually, I saw it on the news. Pat is doing this as a dare type of thing and apparently is having fun with it. :D Speaking on the news, here in LA last night, there was this film clip shot from a helicopter of this guy on a motorcycle who was being chased by the cops on the LA freeway. The cops gave up because they were concerned on hurting innocent people in this high speed chase so they sent a helicopter to follow. Anyway, the cyclist was reported to have been doing in the neighborhood of 120 mph at times. He took an offramp and at the top of the offramp, he slammed into the side of a bus. It was all there, right on film. Miraculously, the biker only suffered a broken wrist. Bizarre.
Johnny Motown
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Date: 18 Jun 96 11:45:05 -0500 From: "Donald Dintaman" <Donald.Dintaman@nmb.norwest.com> To: "ytsejam@ax.com" <ytsejam@ax.com> (Return requested) (Receipt notification requested) Subject: More Rush News for those interested
>From: robinson@netrail.net (Sean Robinson) >Date: Sat, 15 Jun 1996 01:07:32 -0400 >Subject: Other Gnus I forgot to mention > >Hello, > Its Sean again...and Im here with just a bit more info...AGAIN. It >seems that the three songs I listed the other day, "Test For Echo", >"Virtuality", and "Half the World", are the three songs the band >voted on to be singles, and just about 10 days ago (sorry I didnt >mention this before you New Yorkers) they wrapped up shooting 3 >videos in Buffalo, New York. "Half the World", my contact says is the >slow one, the "Closer to the Heart", or "Nobodys' Hero" of the new >cd...but very much sounds like old RUSH. And he said that I could >almost MOSH to "Virtuality" !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Now, with the >semi-dissapointment I have on the new Metallica cd, I could be ready >to mosh to Neil Diamond, but...RUSH??? I wasnt it expecting >that...but boy am I ready!!!! As of now, there are no promos to speak >of.....you would flip if I told you what he heard it on....but >hopefully by mid July, Ill have something, and get back to you all >with a review..I wont give full details....as I know some of you, >like I do, want to be surprised! OK..Im outta here...and dont >forget..interested in the Neil Peart Instructional video...email me >quick...running out of time!! > Thank you very kindly.....GOODNIGHT!! > Sean Robinson > robinson@netrail.net >$ean Robinson
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Date: 18 Jun 1996 10:47:10 GMT From: "Steven Johnson" <svjohnson@amoco.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: YTSEJAM digest 1629 Message-ID: <199606181718.AA23310@interlock.amoco.com>
*** Reply to note of 06/18/96 09:26 Thanks, Jack T. That was a good one! :)
Steve
*************************************************************** "You may remember me from such movies as 'The Revenge of Abe Lincoln' and 'The Wackiest Covered Wagon in the West'" - actor Troy McClure
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Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 14:33:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Partha Mukhopadhyay <ahtrap@umich.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Proof? Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.960618142610.12190B-100000@tempest.rs.itd.umich.edu>
> Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 04:13:10 -0400 > From: YUTAKA OTSUKA <ootsuk3y@dj.kit.ac.jp> > To: ytsejam@ax.com > Subject: asdf (WWW generated email) > Message-ID: <199606170813.EAA17991@nermal.catt.ncsu.edu>
> what I should subscribe?
Ok, I'm not gonna be an asshole and make fun of a guy whose first language obviously isn't English......I'm just gonna point out that (WWW generated email) line, which I think shows that someone, somewhere, has got a web page that is supposed subscribes folx to the Jam, but really sends mail to the posting address.....
Soooo, does anyone recognize the mailing ID? (And have the guts to admit to their error :) and change the web page so people can get subscribed correctly? partha mukhopadhyay
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Date: Tue, 18 Jun 96 11:25:28 PST From: mrkizer@CCGATE.HAC.COM To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: oops, and multimedia project featuring DT Message-ID: <9605188351.AA835123312@CCGATE.HAC.COM>
>and now for the important part...for my Multimedia class i have to do a >major project. I want to incorporate DT into it in some way. How about getting really adventurous and doing a video for ACOS? You could pull stock footage of changing seasons, children playing, old people, etc... mix that with some DT live footage, stills etc., some fancy graphics, cool fades (like a fade to black at the end), and you'd be stylin'.... Of course to do a 23 minutes .AVI file would require about 75MB of hard drive space or so <G>....
-Mike /~~~~~~~ Michael Kizer -- Computer Sciences Corporation (Tucson, AZ) ~~~~~~~\ \ Email: mrkizer@ccgate.hac.com (preferred) -or- mkizer@indirect.com / / WWW: http://www.indirect.com/www/mkizer \ \ ^---> Check here for the Dream Theater Song Book... / / "Live for yourself - there's no one else more worth living for. \ \ Begging hands and bleeding hearts will only cry out for more." / / - Anthem, Rush (Fly By Night) \ \______________________________________________________________________________/
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Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 11:59:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Tymoteusz Altman <altman@sfu.ca> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: oops, and multimedia project featuring DT Message-ID: <199606181859.SAA12761@fraser.sfu.ca>
> > >and now for the important part...for my Multimedia class i have to do a > >major project. I want to incorporate DT into it in some way. > How about getting really adventurous and doing a video for ACOS? You > could pull stock footage of changing seasons, children playing, old > people, etc... mix that with some DT live footage, stills etc., some > fancy graphics, cool fades (like a fade to black at the end), and you'd > be stylin'.... Of course to do a 23 minutes .AVI file would require about > 75MB of hard drive space or so <G>....
i thought about it, but i think our prof wants us to do something more interactive... and for 23 minutes, i'd need WAY more than 75MB...i digitized just 1.5 minutes of video from the Live In Tokyo video, and it was 100 MB :) currently we each have a 200MB quota, which may be increased soon.
thanks for the idea though...i wanted to do something like that for my first assignment, but we could only do a 1 minute video...
any other ideas? also, please use a subject such as "DT Multimedia project" or something like that...because if it's YTSEJAM Digest #xxxx i will delete it. i don't have time to examine every post these days...
tim > > > > >
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Date: Tue, 18 Jun 96 12:16:57 PDT From: zack@lsil.com (Zack Gemmill) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Logic, shmogic Message-ID: <9606181916.AA28473@tengs1>
From: Achilles <ep180@city.ac.uk> Subject: Logic...
I just had some rotten Logic exam, and I thought I'd say something here ;)
Alternative is Shit ( p =3D> q ) Load is Alternative ( p is true for Load) Load is Shit ( q is true for Load)
ok, now go ahead and tell me my logic is flawed!!! ;=DE
Sure. Your assumption is false--- "p" is not true for Load, since Load is not Alternative.
Of course, this does not mean that Load is not shit.
Unless, "shit" is a property exclusive to Alternative. In that case, Load may be something else, but it is definitely not shit.
Zach
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Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 14:48:26 -0700 From: Adam Barnhart <adamb@cfmc.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Message-ID: <199606182148.OAA13701@main.cfmc.com>
Hello all...I'm new to the list and don't have the sense to know when to keep my mouth shut. So, with that in mind, I'll go ahead and plug along on a number of issues:
1) I would agree with the notion that John Myung wouldn't be the second most difficult member of the band to replace. That having been said, I'll get in touch with my radical bass player instincts -- I'd say he'd be the toughest to replace with a comparable musician. Petrucci's a dominant player, but there just AREN'T that many people who can do what Myung does without playing an over the top role in the band. He's phenomenal.
2) I've been heartened to see a few messages lately in the digest to the effect that Metallica's latest DOESN'T mean they're suddenly headed downhill; that they're taking a new direction. This is NOT unprecedented in the history of music. And I'd have to say, in fact, that most of the bands that I've been fond of -- Rush, Yes, Iron Maiden, Tull, ELP, Sabbath, Zeppelin, Floyd -- who've had longer careers HAVE made radical changes in direction through they're history. I think interpreting "integrity" as 32nd notes is wrong....I like Steve Howe's notion of "Progressive," which includes pedal steel and funk playing, along with virtuosity. And that's where Metallica is now. "Load" is quite an effort. Probably not on par with "Ride The Lightning," but better, I'd say than "Kill 'Em All" (which is more Euro-metal sounding than thrash, anyhow) and "...And Justice For All."
3) For what it's worth, The Doors played live without a bass player for the most part, but 95% of they're studio work has a live bass player, rather than the keyboard bass.
4) Vernon Reid is a phenomenal musician...on par (heart be still!) with Petrucci and Tony MacAlpine and Jeff Beck -- that first line of great players. I'm particularly impressed with his playing with Ronald Shannon Jackson and on "Time's Up." I'm eager to hear his new stuff....
5) "A Love Supreme" should be required listening for anyone who really enjoys music -- and is a great building block for any musician. Coltrane is amazing... most people consider this his magnum opus, though I'd opt for "My Favorite Things," it's a little more lyrical.
6) The notion that Dream Theater ought to be considered a progressive band first and foremost is interesting. I'm not sure, myself. I'd say there's at least as much agressive content as progressive, meaning I'd trace a lineage to Maiden, Metallica, Zeppelin, Deep Purple, and the NWOBHM as much as I would to Genesis and Yes (there are the special issues of Rush and Tull, who're something like hard rock/progressive).
My observations oughta be taken with a grain of salt, though. I don't have the sens to not like Silverchair and Bad Religion and Dar Williams and Bush. I don't have the good taste to recognize bad taste, I guess....
Adam Barnhart adamb@cfmc.com ydnt85a@prodigy.com
"Draw your own conclusions, but draw them in pencil so you can go back and change them later."
-Jon Welte
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Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 17:41:49 -0400 (EDT) From: John McCabe <caber1@cris.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Message-ID: <199606182141.RAA26062@darius.cris.com>
Gilbert Thetgyi typed >>There are far, far too many government jobs at state and federal levels (and >>probably local, as well). Please find employment in the private sector. >Until another recession or depression leaves you without a job and mouths to >feed. Civil service jobs have good benefits, and they are less susceptible to >market fluctuations. Screw welfare, rugged individualism is in need of a >revival. I can take the "what do you consider a muscian", "load does(n't) blow", and etc. threads. But whatever you do DON'T TALK ABOUT WELFARE!!!! 8*@
Also, my survey of the 'jams TOP 10 favorite muscians with their instruments is near nil! I have only gotten 3 1/2 Top 10s(without counting my mom's :) ). Monty Newberry where is the new Top 10. So far the only person to have more than 1 vote is Geddy Lee with his bass! Come on I know you 'jammers who are not bassists really don't want a bassist to beat out your personal instrument. And to all bassist let's keep bassist where they should be on...FIRST! ;D
I would like it if everyone would follow these directions for sending in their list. 10 artists only! You can have 2 of the same artist but you have to pick a different instrument! (i.e. John McCabe / Bass and John McCabe / Vocals) Also I will count lyrics as a instrument! You CAN pick Dream Threater members!
Come on don't just scroll by this post! Don't you people at least want a DT member to get first place! I mean this is a DT mailing list. So please VOTE!
John's meanful quote of the day "1, 2, 3, 4, 1, 2, 3, 4," Anthrax, -Fueled
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Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 16:49:02 -0700 (MST) From: Michael Bahr <durnik@indirect.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: argh! CD production over budget. Message-ID: <199606182349.QAA26235@bud.indirect.com>
Naturally, cost overruns hit me, and I'm in the hole for the latest batch of CDs. No big deal, since there are still plenty to sell. If you have an Antiquities, Scenes, WDATU, or Critical Mass on reservation, please Take The Time to send the order along... once the speed of orders finally matches the speed of cost, everything will be back on track. This happened with Acoustic Dreams just before WDATU and it all worked out.
If anyone is interested in the very-limited-edition CDs by Dream Theater "When Dream And Today Unite", "Antiquities", or "Scenes From A Memory", please contact me right away, I don't want you to miss it! Antiquities has less than 30 copies remaining unreserved!
- voluntas vincit omnia - Mike Bahr - durnik@indirect.com -
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Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 19:28:11 -0500 (CDT) From: Sava Web <savaweb@winternet.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Savatage Dead Summer Dead Message-ID: <199606190028.TAA09452@parka>
Just to shed some light on the title "Dead Winter Dead". "Dead Winter Dead" refers to the "seasons" in Bosnia. During the bitter winter the fighting slows down. Before and after the winter the fighting is intense, so are the tragedies, and the death count rises.
Well, that is my understanding of it. If any one else has another interpretation I'd love to hear it.
nathan bradley savaweb@winternet.com http://www.winternet.com/~savaweb/
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Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 21:19:49 -0400 From: Tim Lodge <axe@usa.nai.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: **NEW** LIMITED ED. DT. IMPORT CD ..HERE! Message-ID: <199606190119.VAA04941@usa.nai.net>
A N N O U N C I N G :
A NEW 'LIMITED EDITION' DREAM THEATER IMPORT CD!
"NO SLEEP SINCE BROOKLYN / INSTRUMENTAL 3"
Limited to a release of 1000 copies.
1. What is No Sleep Since Brooklyn / Instrumental 3 ?
It is the newest CD release in the DT Demo series..but the first to feature LIVE material. This CD features, for the first time anywhere on CD, a live Majesty concert recorded in 1986 with Chris Collins on vocals!!! As a bonus, this CD also features 'Instrumental 3' .. which features 7 outstanding outtake /demos from the original majesty sessions up through the 'WDADU' sessions from 1987-1988-1989!
2. What Tracks are on this Limited Edition CD?
MAJESTY: *LIVE* 1986 1. Another Won 2. Cry for Freedom 3. Gates of Babylon 4. Your Majesty 5. March of the Tyrant 6. Afterlife
INSTRUMENTAL 3: Two Far, The Saurus, Your Majesty, Viking Outro, 7 Mini Guitar Songs, A Swell Guitar Piece, Anti-Procrastination Song.
3. When is this CD being released?
The tentative release date for this CD is July 4, 1996.. to be shipped to pre-ordered customers first starting that week!
4. How Can I get one?
The Pre-Order period has begun. Just send in your order today, and your copy(ies) will be reserved. You can check my special web site to check the status of your order!
5. How do I get more info on ordering and on the CD?
Easy! Either Visit the special web site for this CD at http://w3.nai.net/~axe/newcd.htm
-OR-
Send email to axe@nai.net with a subject of "SEND NEW CD INFO", and info will be in your 'inbox' within 24 hours!!
=============================================================================== DREAM THEATER: NO SLEEP SINCE BROOKLYN / INSTRUMENTAL 3. RESERVE YOUR COPY TODAY! LIMITED RUN OF 1000 !!! =============================================================================== main web page: http://w3.nai.net/~axe
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