YTSEJAM digest 1633

Date: Wed Jun 19 1996 - 18:40:24 EDT

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    Today's Topics:

      1) jeez
     by (Andrew Miller)
      2) Assorted Comments...
     by Adam Barnhart <>
      3) keu's brilliance never ceases to amaze me.
     by matt rosin <>
      4) stuff and prog content
     by (Andrew Miller)
      5) What the hell does "Selling Out" mean?
     by jbirzer@GNK-NTE.GLOBALINK.COM (Jason Birzer)
     by Jim Beavens <>
      7) spoiler!!!!!
     by Pat Daugherty <>
      8) DT Live in Tokyo Location
     by (jskewes)
      9) sorry, NMC DTC only
     10) Comm Ave. never sounded so good!
     by Jon Parmet <>
     11) Mike's CD's
     12) Oliver's Twist
     13) The Flame brothers
     by (Scott Cook)
     by John McCabe <>
     15) Chewing bubble gum: (NDTC)
     by Glenn Waterfield <>
     by Jon Byrne <>


    Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 13:41:23
    From: (Andrew Miller)
    Subject: jeez
    Message-ID: <>

    Dave "president of the Andrew Miller fan club" King wrote:
    >Andrew "grow up" Miller wrote:
    >>>>>>>i think it's cool to have discussions about it (to a point) <<<<
    >That's the point.
    >>>>and no, i'm not trying to take sides here. i don't even like
    >Andy, re-read what you've written, please?

    i meant that i wasn't taking sides on the "does load suck or not" debate.

    >>Re: The garbage reply below to somebody who needed help in digest 1628...
    >Get outta my face you uptight piece of shit! Can't take a laugh, eh? You
    >know, you really PISS ME OFF, so get lost.

    why don't you get lost Dave. do you mean to tell me that if someone
    approached you on the street to ask you an innocent question, you'd laugh
    in his face if he lacked a good grasp of the english language? i'd
    certainly hope not. you can be real asshole at times.


     C O M E V I S I T M Y W E B P A G E!!!!!!!!
     Andrew Miller - keyboardist -
     - SubtleRage (progressive rock)
     - Interum (new age/prog instrumental)


    Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 11:39:12 -0700
    From: Adam Barnhart <>
    Subject: Assorted Comments...
    Message-ID: <>

    Having made my initial foray here, I figured I'd take a second shot,
    replying to those people who replied to what I said. Plus some other
    assorted fun:

    My feeling about John Myung is that, like most of us who play bass, he's
    tremendously overlooked. But he certainly goes above and beyond rooted
    movement and doubling guitar lines in virtually every tune. "Metropolis" is
    an obvious example. "Learning To Live" is a study in interactive bass
    lines, and he flashes a little in the namesake of this list. He's not a
    traditional bass player, by any stretch. But the comment about
    replacability has more to do with finding someone else who can fill the same
    role....I don't think there are a lot of players out there who are a
    technical match for him. Certainly not many who would play the same sorts
    of locked, aggressive lines when appropriate ("Lie," "Pull Me Under").
    Certainly in a band where writing credits are passed around as in Dream
    Theater, no one is truly impossible to replace (witness Kevin Moore), but
    Myung is certainly as unique a voice as anyone else in the band... in a band
    of very unique voices.

    Commenting on Metallica and Maiden with reference to a notion of
    "progressive." I've had this argument on, arguing that
    Rush even belongs in that conversation. I'll tell you, there's a healthy
    group of people for whom a discussion of bands that aren't IQ or National
    Health or Grobschnitt is unpalatable, because they aren't "really"
    progressive. Yes is often accepted by those people...along with maybe
    Marillion and a couple of other higher profile bands. But a discussion of
    Rush or King's X or...yes, Dream Theater, is something a lot of folks think
    is ridiculous with respect to progressivity. On the other hand, I see a LOT
    of music as progressive. Progressive, to me, refers to a willingness to try
    new things and mesh new ideas -- and this group include Sting, Last Exit,
    Brand X, Iron Maiden, and, yes, Metallica. Certainly "Ride The Lightning"
    and "Master of Puppets" were central in bringing this new notion of heavy
    music to the fore (along with bands like Anthrax, Megadeth, Slayer, Exodus,
    and Testament). That, combined with some skilled playing, places Metallica
    firmly into the "progressive" camp in my mind. That having been said, I
    don't see the new album as being too much of a departure from that. They've
    certainly not fallen into boring arrangements or anything like that. The
    reviled pedal steel on the new album is NEW. It's removed from the scope of
    traditional metal. And like many of the great bands in the history of
    progressive music -- Yes, Genesis, Floyd, Rush, Marillion -- they probably
    ARE a little more accessible than they were. I don't see that as evidence,
    though, that they've "sold out." If you sell millions of albums and change
    your sound, how is that selling out?

    Direct all comments and complaints to....

    Adam Barnhart


    Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 13:57:13 -0500
    From: matt rosin <>
    Subject: keu's brilliance never ceases to amaze me.
    Message-ID: <>



    look, dude, i realize that you get a huge kick out of trying to
    piss people off, but if you have to do it, AT LEAST include something
    in the post that is even SLIGHTLY relevant to the list. shit like
    this is nothing but a huge waste of bandwidth.

    as for the stupidity of your post, i'm going to comment on it.
    look at what happened last time. besides, it's stupidity is pretty
    apparent anyway.

    don't waste everybody else's time with shit like that. post it if you
    want, but at least keep it vaguely relevant. jeez.

    m a t t r o s i n
    S U R R E A L I T Y
    dark ethereal music


    Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 14:00:16
    From: (Andrew Miller)
    Subject: stuff and prog content
    Message-ID: <>


    you know, this is probably pointless writing this, but is this really
    necessary? did you ever stop to think that there just *might* be gay people
    on the list that would take offense to this? perhaps you meant this in
    good humour and didn't really stop to think about it, or perhaps you did.
    on to other things.... has anyone heard any word on Enchant's new album? i
    heard it was due out this fall. how about Braindance? do they have a new
    cd coming out anytime soon?

    thanks in advance.

     C O M E V I S I T M Y W E B P A G E!!!!!!!!
     Andrew Miller - keyboardist -
     - SubtleRage (progressive rock)
     - Interum (new age/prog instrumental)


    Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 15:15:07 -0400
    From: jbirzer@GNK-NTE.GLOBALINK.COM (Jason Birzer)
    To: ('')
    Subject: What the hell does "Selling Out" mean?
    Message-ID: <1996Jun19.151100.1116.125378@GNK-NTE.GLOBALINK.COM>

    With all this talk about Metallica "Selling Out", I've been doing a lot of
    thinking. It seems like when someone claims that a band has "Sold Out", it
    usually is because they are dissatisfied with what they are hearing from the
    band. Just because a band has changed their sound does not mean that the
    band has sold out.

    What I think "sold out" means is that the band has lost their integrety and
    they make albums for the sole purpose of making money. A good example of a
    sellout album would be VH's "Diver Down". The record company wanted more
    covers made by the band and that's what they got. A group like Milli
    Vanilli can't sell out because they don't have any musical integrety in the
    first place. Rush isn't a sell out because they do not sell huge amount of

    Which brings me back to the original question: Is Metallica selling out?
     Let us examine this. The band has produced an album which is very
    different from what they have done in the past. This pisses off a lot of
    the long time fans who start crying about a "sell out". The problem with
    that argument is that if the band wanted to sell out, why would the band
    dramatially change its sound so that it would piss off their die hard fans?
     It would not make any sense. Rather, I make the statement that the band
    wishes to change direction and there is enough agreement in the band to make
    it work. If the band really wanted to sell out, they would of made a
    "Master of Puppets II" which probably wouldn't be as good as the original.
     The band would eventually become stale and only the die hards would still
    like them.

    Change is a part of the industry. If you don't change in some way, you will
    be left behind. Just be careful that you don't become the next Bee Gees.

    Jason Birzer
    "The Longshot"


    Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 12:29:22 -0700
    From: Jim Beavens <>
    Message-ID: <>

    >Sad news: Rush starts making big troubles with the Magna Carta tribute. They
    >don't want it to be release. Why? I don't know, but their management really
    >puts the pressure on Magna carta.

    Is there anyone else here who really appreciates that Dream Theater are
    such nice, down-to-earth guys? I mean, I really love Rush, but I have
    always gotten the impression that they're a bit arrogant.

    I remember following the a.m.r newsgroup a few years ago, and I
    checked out a few archived issues of TNMS to see what it was
    like, and I remember reading a very early one where somebody mentioned
    the Rush internet mailing list to Neil, and he basically said those
    people needed to get a life. I'm glad that DT appreciates us
    'jammers (or if they don't appreciate us, at least they tolerate us
    and are nice to us =).

    While I certainly agree with those that think the music is far more
    important than the band's attitude (I saw someone post a similar complaint
    of the band's arrogance, particularly Neil's, on a.m.r once, and they
    pounced all over him), it really makes me appreciate how fan-friendly
    DT is.

    Anyway, here's hoping that tribute CD sees the light of day.


    On to another topic:

    So I was curious, what does everyone think of the new Metallica CD?

    <covers head and ducks, running for cover while slipping on
    asbestos bunny suit>

    (I'm really sorry, it's been a terribly long week and it's not
    even halfway over yet...just had to have a little fun =).

    Happy jamming!

       Jim Beavens <>    | If I had a witty remark that
    MD6 Design Engineer, Intel Corp, Hillsboro OR | would better the lives of my
      -=(UDIC)=- Subconscious Dragon -=(UDIC)=-   | fellow mankind, do you really
            ** I don't speak for Intel **         | think I would put it HERE?


    Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 15:33:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Pat Daugherty <> To: Dream Theater Mailing List <> Subject: spoiler!!!!! Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.960619153049.16553S-100000@bdmserver>


    Hey Dick (short for Richard), It is a good thing I already got Scenes else I would be really pissed off. Everyone else who got this cd has not said what the song really is. So what made you go and spoil it for all those who haven't gotten Scenes yet?

    Next time, think before you speak (write)...

    |-----------------------------------------------------------------------| | Pat Daugherty | |=======================================================================| | "Every breath leaves me one less to my last" --Dream Theater | | "That is not an option, Mr. Mulder" --X-Files | |-----------------------------------------------------------------------| |The Baltimore Orioles-The team to beat in 1996!!!!!!! | Go DC United! | |-----------------------------------------------------------------------|


    Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 14:38:59 -0500 From: (jskewes) To: Subject: DT Live in Tokyo Location Message-ID: <>

    >I just saw the Queensryche: live in Tokyo (thanks Scott) for the first >time. Is this the same place where the DT live in Tokyo took place?

    I think it is. It seems like every video you see from Tokyo was taped there..!



    Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 13:44:46 -0600 From: BILL HUSTON <HUSTON@IOMEGA.COM> To: Subject: sorry, NMC DTC only Message-ID: <s1c80356.042@IOMEGA.COM>

    Question: I know there is a web site on this but I can't surf so, does anybody know of a clinic-ANY CLINIC-of any of the boys in the West? I know that would be a long trip for them but I'm jealous of all you right coasters who get to see JP or MP and win the t shirts. I want to win a t-shirt!! (shameless whimpering over logistics I can't change) Does MP give shirts too? How about JM? Hell even JL I don't care, I WANNA GO TO A CLINIC (not the one they lock me up at night in the funny jacket). OK, I go back to my thorazine now. Ahhhh.. that's better..... 8>

    That is all



    Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 19:48:17 +0000 From: Jon Parmet <> To: Petrucci Jam <> Subject: Comm Ave. never sounded so good! Message-ID: <>

    Oh, did someone say DTC? Sorry, I had a LOAD of wax in my ears and didn't hear you the first time! :)

    I must say I was rather impressed with Mr. Petrucci. He has a lot of respect for the art form and hasn't let success over-inflate the ego. I strongly recommend to anyone who has never seen him do a clinic that if he comes to your area: GO!!!! Nothing like a free concert to make the day...It was good to meet some fellow ytse-smokers, too :) You know who you are!

    Does anyone who was there know if the last tune he blew our minds with is material that will be on the next release? I liked the sound a lot. Some very progressive stuff in there.


    Jon *------------*------------------------*----------------* | Jon Parmet | | (617)-494-2851 | *------------*------------------------*----------------*

    "The only difference between a rut and a grave is the depth of the hole."


    Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 14:05:08 -0600 From: BILL HUSTON <HUSTON@IOMEGA.COM> To: Subject: Mike's CD's Message-ID: <s1c80817.064@IOMEGA.COM>

    Hey Mike, I hope because you've slipped into the negative category that this doesn't mean you'll go under. I think you give us something to stay on line for during slack times like this. I sent you my check Friday-now you can afford that surgery-whoops wrong list. Everyone, send Mike your money even if you don't want anything. There that makes a lot of sense. Kind of like when I went to Wendover (Bendover) Nev and lost all my money. Next time I'll just send the check and stay home. But I digress... I saw that BMG added GC Machine Fish to their list. I've never heard anything by them. I ordered it solely from recommends from you, fellow jammers so IT BETTER BE GOOD or you'll all owe me half of your bank accounts-those of you who have one. And for those that don't, I'll steal your .sigs.:>

    Enough ranting.. the orderly is coming down the hall...

    That is all



    Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 15:03:52 -0600 From: BILL HUSTON <HUSTON@IOMEGA.COM> To: Subject: Oliver's Twist Message-ID: <s1c815db.016@IOMEGA.COM>

    Three posts in one day! New world's record for me-maybe I'll get a coveted EOJ for this. Anyway, since the surprise for Oliver's Twist has been given away, I have a question. Who is and what does 'Oliver' have to do with Hamlet? I have asked the resident Shakespeare guru about this and no Oliver comes to mind. Oliver Twist by Dickens has nothing to do with Hamlet or Shakespeare so I am confused as to how and why DT named the instrumental version of PMU this. Anybody got any ideas? Sorry for NMC NOT!!!

    That is all



    Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 14:08:39 -0700 From: (Scott Cook) To: Subject: The Flame brothers Message-ID: <>

    Hello again,

    Dave King wrote: >>From: YUTAKA OTSUKA <> >> >>what I should subscribe? > >What you subscribe must? > >What think about it do you? > >....................................................................... . >D A V E K I N G

    Sledge wrote:

    >>>>>>For all of you out there that think LOAD is good.. your an idiot..and you think Metallica is still good... your a fuckin idiot.. LOAD is the worst Metallica has sounded in ten years.. Sledge<<<<<<<

    Then Sledge writes again: Think i give a shit.. your just a fuckin idiot... i don't want your tasteless kind on the jam.. and if you like load you must have something wrong wiht your head.. or the other problem, your an idiot.. -sledge Sledge.. ---------------------------------------------------------------------

    I say that Dave & Sledge are the same person. Either that or they were separated at birth. Maybe the to of them can get together and write a book. They can call it "How to get along with everyone."

    And Sledge: leave Bafu out of this! :)


    "and I make the pussy purr with the stroke of my hand They know they're getting it from me and they know where to go when they need a loving man they know I'm doing it for free!" - Ted Nugent 1977


    Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 17:00:24 -0400 (EDT) From: John McCabe <> To: Message-ID: <>

    Dave King mumbled this : >ASSUME, kiddy... NEVER ASSUME because when you do you make an ASS out of U and ME :)

    Richard James shouts: >I JUST RECEIVED IT AND THE SURPRISE OF "OLIVER TWIST" IS >JUST "PULL ME UNDER" INSTRUMENTAL >I WASN'T EXPECTED THAT D'oh! It was a surprise! But now I have to know what it sounds like is it exactly the same as on I&W or are there more solos or even less of the original song? Well, I'll find out myself soon enough. I'm still waiting for my SFAM.


    Now for some info well I'm going to just cut off my Top 10 list thing because in Skads post he said no new Top 10 lists :o It doesn't matter Geddy Lee (bass) was in first place by 2 votes. He got 4 in he end.


    Also, this is for people who have heard the demos for the new CD. Is there a bass solo? I know they are still making the CD but is there one yet?


    One last thing, does anybody here know when the new QR CD is coming out. I think someone said it was coming out about the time of DT CD. But when is that coming out?

    John's quote of the day "That's the last I've seen of Harold" Primus, ~Harold of the Rocks >


    Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 16:31:38 -0500 (CDT) From: Glenn Waterfield <> To: Multiple recipients of list <> Subject: Chewing bubble gum: (NDTC) Message-ID: <>

    Hi all!

    For he who asked, I heard the line "I came here to chew bubble gum and kick ass. And I'm all out of bubble gum." line in a movie called "They Live" with "Rowdy" Roddy Piper. Not a bad film. Not really a good one, either.

    Take care! Glenn

    ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ L. Glenn Waterfield "Call for your physics "And so we find once again that the evil of reading today!" the past seeps into the present, like salad Argonne National Lab dressing through cheap waxed paper - mixing memory and desire." -- The Tick ------------------------------------------------------------------------------


    Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 18:34:50 -0400 From: Jon Byrne <> To: Subject: Re: RUSH TRIBUTE!!! UNCOVERED ON CD!!! Message-ID: <>

    At 12:31 PM 6/19/96 -0700, Jim Beavens wrote: >>Sad news: Rush starts making big troubles with the Magna Carta tribute. They >>don't want it to be release. Why? I don't know, but their management really >>puts the pressure on Magna carta. > >Is there anyone else here who really appreciates that Dream Theater are >such nice, down-to-earth guys? I mean, I really love Rush, but I have >always gotten the impression that they're a bit arrogant.

    Is that a long term impression, or based on their attitude towards the tribute? If it's the latter, I don't see that as arrogant. Maybe they've heard the material and don't think it's up to snuff. Or they think that these bands or Magna Carta are trying to cash in on the Rush name without their input. I don't know, I just wanna give Neil/Ged/Alex the benefit of the doubt.

    Jonathan Byrne West Virginia University College of Law ----------------------------------------------------------------- "A pretty sight it seemed to be An avenue of eternal peace. But he said 'What is here can soon burn down I'm the king of Sunset Town." -"King of Sunset Town", Marillion


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