YTSEJAM digest 1634

Date: Wed Jun 19 1996 - 22:42:06 EDT

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    Today's Topics:

      1) re: Album Recommendtions...
      2) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1628 (fwd)
     by Jeffrey David Olson <>
      3) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1631
      4) You're right grinder!
     by buster <>
      5) New Fan Club Package!!
     by The One They Call Wacky <>
      6) Official DT WW site!
     by Brian Wherry <>
      7) Re: Rush Tribute CD
     by Jim Beavens <>
      8) Boston clinic
     by The Digital Man <>
      9) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1632
     by Galactic Cowboy <>
     10) funny you should mention blind melon, skadz
     11) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1632
     by (acook)
     12) Myung
     by (Seth Hatlelid)
     13) Magna Carta Releases
     by "John R. Kotzian" <>


    Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 18:25:23 PST
    Subject: re: Album Recommendtions...
    Message-ID: <>

    > From: "James R. McKenzie" <>

    > Can anyone recommend any
    > groups in the same vien as DT also including the label[s] they have
    > for and do record on now? I believe I made a similar reqest in my only
    > other posting to date but still I'm kinda looking for a long list, it's
    > likely that I can find something from it (the list) this way.

    Two that I would recommend right away:

    Ivanhoe "Symbols of Time" from Avalanche Records
    Facade "Fade" from Dreg Records

    I found both of them on the web and have been happy with the service from
    Ivanhoe is much more influenced by DT, but they're both real good.

    -= Felix =-


    Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 17:39:00 -0500 (CDT)
    From: Jeffrey David Olson <>
    Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1628 (fwd)
    Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.91.960619173707.10589B-100000@shamu>

    > Someone posted a message about ordering some release from WILD
    > RAGS - the guy from this label - Richard - has ripped heaps of people off!!
    > See ya - Brenden

      Well, My band, Angelkill has been doing buisness with Richard for years
    and he has never ripped us off, if fact he's done more to support our
    band than he ever had to, do in defense of Richard and Wild Rags, a big
    FUCK OFF! to you Brenden.

     If you have had some problems with Wild Rags, Im sure it was not

    I have heard * stories* of WIld Rags not treating bands on his label
    justly, but I have heard BOTH sides of these same stories, now whom do I
    believe.. Ill never know.. but I *DO* know Wild Rags is *NOT* a ripoff,
    as I stated before, Angelkill has done buisness with them for years, and
    I know alot of other bands that have as well..


    > Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 01:58:38 PST
    > From: (Aaron K Silverman)
    > To:
    > Subject: Angelkill, you Thief!
    > Message-ID: <>
    > Sinista,
    > Did you steal Beyond the Black from Metal Church, or is it used in
    > tribute??? :)
    > Couldn't resist spouting about one of the most underrated bands in
    > history. . .
    > Party on,

      We get that all the time.
      Actually neither, my band doesnt have a song called Beyond the Black
    it's just the Album name, and no it isnt in tribute even though Ill agree
    with you Metal Church is VERY under-rated....
     M.C. Beyond the Black (song) came out in 85, our Release Beyond the
    Black came out in 88, we have no song Beyond the Black.

     I was 16 at the time and it just sounded cool.
     nothing more..

     If you want to get techincal, I could come up with several bands that
    have same song names that werent stealing or tribute, it just happened to
    come out that way.. :)

    Party on!



    Date: Thu, 20 Jun 1996 08:52:44 +0000
    Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1631
    Message-ID: <>

    >And as for John Myung, I'm not quite sure how to gauge his talent, seeing as
    >he doesn't come up with any particularly *imaginative* basslines. Most of
    >the time he's just keeping up with JP (which is in and of itself a talent),
    >or repeating the root note, or strictly following a complex riff. But he
    >doesn't get creative or improvise.
    Sorry but I have to disagree here. No trumpet blowin, but I have
    been playin bass for about 12 years now and over that 12 years have
    heard many many ...... many bass players and seen many many ... many
    bass players. JM is a very talented player IMHO. Just listen to the
    bass lines on WDADU, his best work IMHO *sigh*. Granted there are a
    few places he holds root notes, CIAW, and follow JP, Eroto, but he
    really does do some complex stuff without wrecking any songs. I went
    thru a phase to trying to pluck out wild runs/riffs/rakes/etc but it
    just ruins the feel of a song. JM has great feel and really connects
    the rhythm to the melody which is what I feel is one of a bass
    players main roles. Sometimes you hold, or work around, the root note
    and concentrate on following the rhythm/beat of the drums, other
    times its purely following the melody, keyboard/guitars or the bass
    itself. Its JMs great feel for when to play what that makes him a
    good player.

    Just my , hmmm whats the $AUD exchange rate hmmm, about $0.15 cents



    Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 19:08:02 -0400
    From: buster <>
    Subject: You're right grinder!
    Message-ID: <>

    > I say that Dave & Sledge are the same person. Either that or they were
    > separated at birth. Maybe the to of them can get together and write a
    > book. They can call it "How to get along with everyone."

    > Grinder

    Dude, I am convinced that you're right! Just look at the uses of
    dots....and the way they both spell (fuckin, etc..)
    And also, the sentence structures are the same. You'll notice that
    they do a single paragraph, and within that paragraph the
    sentences are broken up with...dots..that altrnate..2 here...3 there.

    :) BUSTED! hehe



    Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 19:26:38 -0400
    From: The One They Call Wacky <>
    To: The Jam <>
    Subject: New Fan Club Package!!
    Message-ID: <>

    So basically the day after I see Petrucci do a clinic I get a package from the
    fanclub. How pleasant! For those of you who haven't gotten it yet, it's an I&W fanzine,
    an ACoS sticker, and a signed 8x10 band photo (a new one, with Derek). There you have it!
     So check your mailboxes often, kids! Now I've got all these signed photos and no more
    frames... :) Later, 'jammers.



    Brian Wherry Boston University Computer Engineering '98


    Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 19:28:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Brian Wherry <> To: The Jam <> Subject: Official DT WW site! Message-ID: <>

    Well, the little fanclub blurb says it's an "Official Dream Theater Worl Wide Web Site." So check it out! The address is:



    Brian Wherry Boston University Computer Enigineering '98


    Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 16:53:37 -0700 From: Jim Beavens <> To: Subject: Re: Rush Tribute CD Message-ID: <>

    > Is that a long term impression, or based on their attitude towards the > tribute? If it's the latter, I don't see that as arrogant. Maybe they've

    It's a long-term impression, which was simply bolstered by this latest news about the tribute CD. I also admit it's a rather uninformed impression; I haven't peeked into a.m.r for about two years now, and I'm not a subscriber to TNMS, so I don't keep up on everything about the band like I do here with Dream Theater. =) But from the few things I've read, it almost seems as if Rush wishes all their fans would simply buy their records, go to their concerts, and then leave them alone. I don't think they understand how much some people love them and their music, and want to experience everything about them, from reading email about them every day to buying bootlegs of their concerts. I wish I could point you to interviews or something I've read, but I can't; I've just come across a few interviews and articles over time, and for some reason this is the impression I'm left with. Before someone says I don't know what I'm talking about, then let me beat you to it: I don't know what I'm talking about. But you asked. =)

    Hmm, I probably shouldn't go on and on about this, it sounds like I'm harping on Rush, and I'm not. At least, I'm trying not to. My previous post was more about Dream Theater, and how cool I think it is that they're so receptive to their fans. Honestly, of all the comments from people here who shared their experience with meeting the band, I haven't heard _one_ negative comment.

    About the tribute CD, I agree that there could be valid reasons for wanting to stop it, the most valid being that they've heard it and it sounds like crap. But wanting to stop it sends several messages (to me, at least):

    - they don't care about newer up-and-coming bands getting any exposure, which normally wouldn't really matter, except many of these bands probably count Rush as a big influence to them.

    - they actually think that somebody who would buy this CD wouldn't spend money on real Rush albums (I'm afraid many bands are guilty of this errant attitude when it comes to bootlegs).

    - they underestimate their fans' desire for anything having to do with Rush.

    Do any of these things make Rush a bad band? No, of course not. Also, I think it's bad timing on Magna Carta's part to be releasing this thing so close to the release of Rush's new album; if this is their reason for wanting it stopped, then I could probably understand that too.

    Anyway, enough about Rush. I think we're finally breaking free of the Meticallica shackles, I'd hate for us to don the Rush ball-and-chain. One thing's probably certain, though: if Rush doesn't like the idea of a tribute album, and several members of Dream Theater have performed on it, that probably kills any chance of them touring together (actually, now that I think about it, since DT's album got pushed back this was probably killed a long time ago. Oh well, nevermind).

    Happy jamming!


    -- Jim Beavens <> | If I had a witty remark that MD6 Design Engineer, Intel Corp, Hillsboro OR | would better the lives of my -=(UDIC)=- Subconscious Dragon -=(UDIC)=- | fellow mankind, do you really ** I don't speak for Intel ** | think I would put it HERE?


    Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 20:03:30 -0400 (EDT) From: The Digital Man <> To: Ytse Jam <> Subject: Boston clinic Message-ID: <>

    Man, what a great two days I just had. Absolutely fantastic. The Petrucci clinic at the Guitar Center in Bostion was merely the icing on a great two-day visit to Boston.

    First, Rob Barker ("Ibanez") and Syrinx came to my house Tuesday morning at 9:00 - Rob from Queens and Mike from Philadelphia! Yeowch. (Hey, Syrinx, you have your keys, or should I call AAA for you again? :) We picked up the Augmeister at his house, and Wisha and Dave Plotkin from the LIRR station, and hit the road. Syrinx introduced me to a whole bunch of cool tunes - I'm going to leave the CD shop broke next time I go. We saw a car on the Massachusetts Turnpike (a.k.a. Mass Pike, right, Skadz?) whose license plate was 2112. The girl driving had no idea why I was screaming at her to marry me.

    Once in Boston, we met up with Skadz, Brian Wherry, and... BAFU!!! OH, and big shouts to Chad Cook, Mark M, Jon P, and anyone else I might have forgotten. The clinic rocked. I won a shirt. :) Bafu scared John. :) After the clinic, we hung out outside the shop for about 15 minutes, and as John left (with Jon Finn, a cool guy that Wherry worships), we accosted them and got a group photo taken. I already gave Bafu money to send me duplicates of the pictures, so they'll be on the web soon.

    After Burger King, Rob and Rachel had to go, but the rest of us went to Brian's place for a while. Damn!!! He smokes on guitar. (Even though Bafu and I made fun of ya, you rock. :) Finished the night with some Live in Japan, some acoustic jamming, some boot dubbing, and generally hanging out and getting no sleep. Boys - and Rachel - I had the coolest time. We're doing this again, and soon. Which reminds me, John P said that he'll be doing another clinic in late July at Manny's (48th Street, NYC). Who's there? This time, maybe some people can crash at my place.

    The Jam is cool as shit. NMSers would never do this stuff. See ya's in July!!! -D

    ------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Digital Man \|/ ____ \|/ Secretary "@'/ ,. \`@" UVM Comp Sci Student Assn /_| \__/ |_\ "He won't need a bed \__U_/ He's a digital man" - Peart


    Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 20:49:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Galactic Cowboy <> To: the cool people <> Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1632 Message-ID: <>

    > From: Galactic Cowboy <> > > I just saw the Queensryche: live in Tokyo (thanks Scott) for the first > time. Is this the same place where the DT live in Tokyo took place? > > Brandon > > ------------------------------ > > End of YTSEJAM Digest 1632 > **************************

    You know I've been on this list since December 1994 and this is my FIRST end of jam. WOOOHOOOOOOOO!!!!!!



    Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 21:08:35 -0400 From: To: Subject: funny you should mention blind melon, skadz Message-ID: <>

    anyone hear that "magic number" tune by blind melon (3 is a magic number, or something like that)? cool tune.

    wow- uncovered on cd! wowie. i want it. if anyone knows how or where to get it, find me immediately!

    <Don't get my wrong, I'm not saying they are playing Poison covers, but the parts I heard weren't Slayer riffs either.>

    josh i think wrote that about the new dt stuff. don't recall slayer riffs in dt stuff, but i guess i hear ya.

    <"Ummm... did you like write the solo parts to fit over the piano parts for the guitar or how did you come up with that" - some idiot asking about John's playing of one of Chopin's etudes. "Ummm, Chopin wrote that" - JP>

    that fuckin rules!!! yes!!!!!!!!

    <John's impression on what he used to hear at the music store he used to work at. ( Out of tune bends, followed by Stairway, and Sanitarium)>

    <Bafu getting booed when he asked JP to sign something "To Steve"> did these.

    alright, that's all for now. peace out.

    *****************************************************************david kobayashi

    "energy, intensity, eclecticism" - robert fripp

    "the present-day composer refuses to die." -e. varese *****************************************************************


    Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 21:11:21 -0400 From: (acook) To: Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1632 Message-ID: <>

    Hey Guys,

    Well finally some DT to talk about, I was at the clinic last night too!

    >Some of the highlights: > >"Where do you get those cool John Petrucci silk shirts?" - Bafu Vai >

    That was hilarious ;) >"Name the two Dream Theater instrumentals" - JP > "Erotomania and Ytsejam" - some guy

    Hey that was me. > "What about Eve?" - another guy

    Yeah, John said "Sorry he out did you by one!" and I almost didn't get a shirt! It worked out for me though because that guy got the boring black Ibanez shirt with the new "alternative" logo, and I got a psychedelic tripped out weird design with the original logo!

    > "What about Bombay Vindaloo?" - yet another guy > "How about Barf Bag? Moon Bubbles? Gemini?" - Bafu >

    Yeah, and then John says, "Gemini? Is that something I wrote?"

    >"J FUCKINNNNNNNNNNNNNNN P" - Brian Wherry > >Bafu getting booed when he asked JP to sign something "To Steve" > >John's impression on what he used to hear at the music store >he used to work at. ( Out of tune bends, followed by Stairway, >and Sanitarium) >

    That was funny too.

    >All in all, it was lots of fun and great to see all the jammers. >We asked John about the Con and he definately knew about it >and said that they should be there. He said they were still >searching for a producer. He said they basically missed the >October window to get an album out and they wanted to skip >Christmas, and that the end of January or February will probably >be when the album comes out. He didn't play any of the new music >at the clinic, but mentioned Metropolis Pt ][.

    Yup, that was when some moron asked if Metropolis was part of Erotomania :) It was cool and a very loose atmosphere which I liked a lot. Also, I got my Ibanez S470 signed right on the back of the headstock (won't rub off that way) so I'm pumped. All in all, lots of fun!

    Adam Cook visit me at, (hard hat construction area!)


    Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 21:15:47 -0500 From: (Seth Hatlelid) To: Subject: Myung Message-ID: <v01510101adee4f1af7e0@[]>

    > But a long while back someone posted that John M would be the 2nd hardest >DT member to replace (2nd to JP, of course). Personally, I'd have to >disagree. Though JM is a fantastic player, there are lots of really good >bassists out there hiding out in lesser-known bands, or doing studio work >with solo musicians. I suppose it's just the shy quality of many bass >players.

    Hiya, I have to disagree with this statement. . As a fellow six string bassist I know just what Myung is doing and more importantly, what he is NOT doing. Would Dream Theater still be the same as they are now if Petrucci left and was replaced by Paco De Lucia or Steve Via? Everyone in ANY band is replaceable (I know, I fired about 12 guitar players and vocalists and drummers). The band will go on, but they will not sound the same. If John Pattiticci replaced Myung, Dream Theater would sound very different. Both are exceptional bass players but they are very different bass players (case 2, replace Myung with Les Claypool!) There are just as many fantastic guitar players or keyboard players or butt trumpet players in lesser known bands and session players as fantastsic session bass players, so does that mean that Petrucci and Portnoy is easily replacible without drastically altering the style of DT. I think not. Myung is such an incredible player because he does not always play at top speed or technique. If he feels a section needs a simple bass pulse, he is not too proud to just pound on that root (Pull Me Under intro). I have heard some bass solos ofg Myungs that put Michael Manring to shame and yet Myung does what is right for the song. A lot of the exceptional players tend to overplay (I Mother Earth's bass player is an incredible slapper, he just blows my mind, but I rate him as one of the worst bass players I have have ever heard, because he DRASTICALLY overplays all the time and makes the groove sound like shit. He also has no concept of melody unlike our fave six string low slinger). Myung is probably the best overall bass player I have ever heard and he would be EXTREMELY difficult to replace without turning DT into just exceptionally talented technical players that couldn't write a song to save their lives (I MOTHER EARTH, Nitro etc).

    PS What brand of bass did you order? It's really strange, After getting my Vantage six string, a four or five string bass just seems so puny and pointless. Even my fretless five string lies alone and dejected most of the time! LOW B, HIGH C ROCKS!

    PS Pat Boone's album "Those Heavy Metal Years" is already out, at least for radio! PUKE!! I heard his cover of Stairway to heaven on our radio station. It's true, heavy metal is dead! :-)

    To the guy who said Myung was unimaginative and followed the root and Petrrucci all the time, may I ask a question. WHAT ARE YOU LISTENING TO????!!!!!!!!!! What about the intro to Scarred; those two handed harmonics are unoriginal? Or Metropolis when Myung only doubles Petrucci on certain section for effect and the rest of the time is playing all over the freakin place and tapping with eight digits?!!! How do you know that Petrucci is not doubling the bassline? You yourself said that Innocence Faded had an UNNATURAL NON_ROOT HITTING bassline! Don't even get into the InstruMENTAL tapes! Mr. Myung is all over the chordal spectrum and getting VERY creative!

    I guess that's all for now!

    Me loves playing the Marilyn Manson cover of "Sweet Dreams Are Made of This" then playing "Rememberance of Trees" by Enya. If I keep Doing this I might develop Bi-polar manic depressivness!

    Cheers! Seth Hatlelid

    "I was raised by robbins. Everytime somebody hurls my tummy growls"


    Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 22:31:33 -0400 (EDT) From: "John R. Kotzian" <> To: (Explore The Boundries) Subject: Magna Carta Releases Message-ID: <>


    To all those who are interested I have attached a letter from my representative at Magna Carta detailing their upcoming releases. I have a copy of the Jethro Tull Tribute, and I must say that this trib is awsome. I like it better than the Yes trib.

    > Scheduled for July 2nd is a Jethro Tull tribute album 'To Cry You A Song'. > Featuring performances by original Tull rhythm section Clive Bunker,Mick > Abrahams, Glenn Cornick on 5 tracks. With Ian McDonald, Glenn Hughes, > Echolyn, John Wetton, Keith Emerson, Magellan, Matthew Pegg, Mike Varney, > Phil Manzanera, Robert Berry, > Roy Harper, Tempest & Wolfstone, Dave Pegg. (A nice sounding disc, wonderful > performances by everyone involved) > > Out July 23rd will be 'Working Man', newly recorded interpretations of songs > written by Geddy Lee, Alex Lifeson and Neil Peart , by such artists as: > Billy Sheehan and Eric Martin (Mr. Big), Fates Warning, Jake E. Lee (Ozzy > Osbourne, Badlands), James LaBrie and Mike Portnoy (Dream Theater), Robert > Berry (3, GTR), Sebastian Bach (Skid Row), Steve Morse, Stuart Hamm, and > many more. With the help of members of Shadow Gallery, Magellan, Cairo and > (Aura). (Really powerful stuff, should fend off the Summer time blahs) > > Also out July 23rd will be debut albums by Altura from Charlotte, NC with > 'Mercy', a CD > of music in the heavy progressive vein of Dream Theater and Shadow Gallery. > These > guys will be touring in support of this release in certain areas down south. > (A solid > album beautifully produced by Robert Berry) > > An album of classical acoustic piano peices, which is as of yet untitled, > featuring Keith > Emerson, Patrick Moraz, Brian Auger, Rick Wakeman, Jordan Rudess, Dizzy Reed, > Steve Porcaro, Chuck Leavell, Tony Hymas, Chris Ingles and Mark Robertson. > > Cairo is working on their second album, while Shadow Gallery & Magellan are > both > doing album number 3. > > > Very Truly Yours, > Dan Hanley _____________________ ____________________________ ________________________________ John R. Kotzian "Pride and ego, my lad. Pride and ego. It's what makes the world rotate!" - Rodney ________________________________ _____________________ ____________________________


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