YTSEJAM digest 1635

Date: Thu Jun 20 1996 - 12:07:19 EDT

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    Today's Topics:

      1) Various Stuff
     by "Todd A. Dakin" <>
      2) Re: Bryan Berry
     by Josh Sager <>
      3) Oh, GREAT.
     by Michael Bahr <>
      4) DT fan club?
     by "L. Jason Hartman" <>
      5) Liner pictures for DT CDs?
     by "Robert Quezada" <>
      6) Re:spoiler!!!!!
     by (Zack Gemmill)
      7) One more ...
     by "Ryan P. Skadberg" <>
      8) Conjuring Up Images Best Forgotten
      9) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1632
     by (Ernesto Schnack)
     10) Skadz
     by Bernd Basmer <>
     11) Rush tribute
     by (Stephane Auzilleau)
     12) Bass Gee-tar
     by (Elliott Kim)
     14) Reappointing the Disappointed
     by Partha Mukhopadhyay <>
     15) boston? in two days? HAH!
     by Mike <>
     16) re: Top Ten Musicians
     17) A Queensryche joke
     by "Ollila Marko" <>
     18) Ronnie Scotts video footage at fan club site
     by Pat Daugherty <>
     19) "asdf" (WWW generated email)
     by Jon Sanford <>


    Date: Thu, 20 Jun 1996 00:04:33 -0300
    From: "Todd A. Dakin" <>
    To: "" <>
    Subject: Various Stuff
    Message-ID: <>

    Howdy Jammers,
            Got a couple questions that maybe some of you can help me out
    1) Regarding the bands recording on the Magna Carta label, what are
    Cairo and World Trade like? I already have Shadow Gallery's "Carved In
    Stone", Enchant's "Blueprint of the World" (both are absolutely
    fantastic!), and Magellan's "Impending Ascensions" (another great
    album), and was wondering if the other two were worth picking up. Any
    comments would be welcome.

    2) I am going to be in the Orlando/Tampa area during the last two weeks
    of August and was wondering if some Jammer in the area could give me an
    idea of any interesting bands/guitarists that may be playing during that
    time and be worth checking out while I'm down there. Please E-Mail me
    so as not to clutter up the Jam.

    3) What's the new Metallica album like? JUST KIDDING! :-)


    *      Todd A. Dakin                                   *****
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    Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 22:15:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Josh Sager <> To: Subject: Re: Bryan Berry Message-ID: <>

    In response to the "official" fan club web post by bryan, I should say this:

    Me (Josh) and my company have gotten authorization from DT and management to be the Official WWW site. We recruited Jeff Chew to help us out (who better than Jeff right?). So together we have joined forces.

    We're planning on doing a lot of cool stuff, and we're very heavily involved with management and the band to bring "us" all closer.

    Check the page out -

    PLEASE give us suggestions as to how we can improve the page. Plus, we are always looking for help (articles, anecdotes, pics, anything) related to the band. You can send it to

    Also, keep in mind that all the email that gets sent to me via the WWW site gets printed out and mailed directly to management and the band.


    ***************************************************************************** Josh Sager Red Sector A, Inc. Creative Director 8001 B Lincoln Drive West (609) 988-8587 voice Marlton, NJ 08053 (609) 983-9197 fax


    Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 20:40:03 -0700 (MST) From: Michael Bahr <> To: Subject: Oh, GREAT. Message-ID: <>

    OK, now that it's been spoiled,


    The entire interlude is different: they play parts that wound up on Erotomania for quite some time! The song runs longer as a result. This was the original version of PMU and Twist was DT's original title for the piece. It's a very changed song.. the bassline is different throughout as well.

    - voluntas vincit omnia - Mike Bahr - -


    Date: Thu, 20 Jun 1996 00:11:07 -0400 (EDT) From: "L. Jason Hartman" <> To: Subject: DT fan club? Message-ID: <>

    Could someone tell me what address I need to write to to get into the Official DT Fan Club? How much is it, like $15 bucks or something? I'd really like to join now since people are starting to receive some cool stuff from them.

    Thanks in advance!

    BTW - if anyone has any records of any of the new DT material from JP or MP clinics or whereever, please mail me. I'd love to get a copy of it. I have tons of boots to trade. Thanks!

    -- ************************************************************************** * Jason Hartman "I am the Killing Hand!" * * * * You're fighting the weight of the world, * * and no one can save you this time. * * Close your eyes - you can find all you need in your mind. * * * * "Take the Time" - Dream Theater * **************************************************************************


    Date: Thu, 20 Jun 1996 00:20:04 +0000 From: "Robert Quezada" <> To: Subject: Liner pictures for DT CDs? Message-ID: <>

    Anyone know of a WWW site or sites that have scanned pictures of the CD booklets? I'm looking for ACOS and Awake booklet pictures..

    Thanks in advance... rq

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    Date: Wed, 19 Jun 96 21:39:30 PDT From: (Zack Gemmill) To: Subject: Re:spoiler!!!!! Message-ID: <9606200439.AA23732@tengs1>

    From: Pat Daugherty <> Subject: spoiler!!!!!


    Hey Dick (short for Richard), It is a good thing I already got Scenes else I would be really pissed off. Everyone else who got this cd has not said what the song really is. So what made you go and spoil it for all those who haven't gotten Scenes yet?

    Next time, think before you speak (write)... :::::::::

    Indeed! Thanks a hell of a lot Dick! Oh well, it's not the end of the world, is it? Speaking of PMU as an instrumental, I remember I wandered close to the door of the Warfield in SFO the last tour because I was sick of standing in line. DT was doing PMU for soundcheck, and it sounded *awesome* without the vocals. I gotta listen to those InstruMENTAL CDs some more...



    Date: Thu, 20 Jun 1996 01:47:45 -0400 (EDT) From: "Ryan P. Skadberg" <> To: Subject: One more ... Message-ID: <>

    One more thing to add to my list of things not to post about:

    The fact that you got an EOJ :) Out of 739 subscribers, only 32 are in ACK mode, so everyone saw you get the EOJ. We have Itchy's counters at the end of each month, and we all saw em to begin with.

    That's all for now.


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    Date: Thu, 20 Jun 1996 02:13:05 -0400 From: To: Heart Of Darkness <> Subject: Conjuring Up Images Best Forgotten Message-ID: <>

    First of all, thanks to all who informed me about the Bubblegum quote. I heard it on the radio & thought it was Bill Murray; my mistake.

    One of Skadz's highlights of the Boston JP clinic was:

    > Bafu getting booed when he asked JP to sign something "To Steve"

    And I keep wondering exactly what that "something" was... (and why he got booed, moreover)

    Your scary thought for the day.

    Scott. Dearly Misses RESPONSE AT IBMMAIL


    Date: Thu, 20 Jun 1996 02:06:34 -0400 From: (Ernesto Schnack) To: Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1632 Message-ID: <>

    >From: Sensory Overload <>

    >To that person who got the "rock discipline" video ... Iforgot where you >got it. could you tell me where you ordered the video from? I can only >find it in guitar mags for $50! >

    That's from where my friend ordered it... yep, 50 gazongos, but trust me it's worth it... well, it's worth it if you feel your guitar playing is going nowhere. Besiedes showing you some cool exercises of all types, he also gives the basic idea on how to set up your own practicing routine...very cool.

    >From: "Ryan P. Skadberg" <>

    > > Here's the deal. No more Metallica talk. Seriously. None.

    ok, no prob, just one last thing...

    Load FINALLY came to Panama today.

    Ernie bought it.

    Load, not Panama. (although one of my wishes is to become so filthy rich I could by Panama if I wanted to, but that's another story.)

    Ernie has liked what he has heard.

    OK, no more Metallica from me...

    >Does anybody know how I can subscribe to the Metallica list? I figure I'd >get more info on Dream Theater there than I'm getting here. >

    ooh sarcasm!

    Oh and about keu... here's my suggestion... next time he 'bellows', nobody say anything ok? just ignore him, not a peep, cool? then maybe he'll realize that nobody really gives a shit about him.

    ok, no for the REAL message in this post...

    I've come to the conclusion that, compared to ALL musicians, the guys in DT aren't THAT impressive... let's say they are very good. Take in mind and taking this from the technique point of view. Let's face it, in the rock world alone, there are many guitarists that can out-shred Petrucci. As for Myung, well go listen to Victor Wooten...nuff sed. Derek, well, keyboard players in general have to reach a certain point of technical ability in their instrument to be considered 'good', so there is a lot of competition in Derek's world. LaBrie, as amazing as he is, there are better singers in the world. As for Portnoy, well he really doesn't impress me much. The only two things that impress me are the cowbell/snare nintendo thing he does in his drum solo, and the intro to TTT (which I have a feeling is overdubbed), but besides that I've noticed that he tends to return to the same fills.

    Now HOLD ON DAR! I know that in this last paragraph, it might have seemed that I don't believe them to be that great, but that's not what I'm saying. I still find them to be great musicians, but there are better ones. Now if we centered in the rock genre, then they are "AMAZING", but I know that there are other musicians that could leave 'em gasping for breath.

    Now that is as far as technique goes, but what truly makes DT amazing, is the obvious chemistry that's going on. It's hard to describe, but tghere's something going on there that happens in few bands. other examples would be QR and Rush. It seems when it comes to the music, they truly become one. They all seem to be pushing for the same goal. *That* is why it is hard to replace *any* of the members in DT. There are many musicians that are just as good, or better, than them, but wouldn't fit in the band. For example, many consider Geoff Tate to be an equal to Labrie... but I don't think he'd be happy singing in DT, because he wouldn't have the same objectives as the guys.

    well that's 'nuff from me.

    Funky Cold Medina Ernie :)


    Date: Thu, 20 Jun 1996 09:28:29 +0200 From: Bernd Basmer <> To: Subject: Skadz Message-ID: <>


    I just wanted to thank Skadz for finally stopping the jam getting more and more fucked up.




    Date: Thu, 20 Jun 96 09:53:13 +0100 From: (Stephane Auzilleau) To: Subject: Rush tribute Message-ID: <>

    >About the tribute CD, I agree that there could be valid reasons for >wanting to stop it, the most valid being that they've heard it and it >sounds like crap. But wanting to stop it sends several messages (to >me, at least):

    I've got another reason to propose: they've heard the material and it sounds better than their versions! Couldn't it be possible?

    I have a lot of respect for Rush, as it was my favorite band from 81 to 87 (when I discovered Majesty...) and it is still one of my fav. But I'm disappointed by their attitude, or more exactly the attitude of their management. And allow me to think, regarding the list of the guys involved in the Rush tribute, that the covers could beat the original songs.

    >Do any of these things make Rush a bad band? No, of course not. Also, >I think it's bad timing on Magna Carta's part to be releasing this thing >so close to the release of Rush's new album; if this is their reason for >wanting it stopped, then I could probably understand that too.

    This last reason could be a good one. They should have choose another release date. But maybe the solution of this conflict will be to release the tribute after the official album of Rush.

    Just my humble opinion...

    Stephane Your Majesty - French DT fanzine


    Date: Thu, 20 Jun 1996 04:53:06 -0400 From: (Elliott Kim) To: Subject: Bass Gee-tar Message-ID: <>

    >>And as for John Myung, I'm not quite sure how to gauge his talent, seeing as >>he doesn't come up with any particularly *imaginative* basslines. Most of >>the time he's just keeping up with JP (which is in and of itself a talent), >>or repeating the root note, or strictly following a complex riff. But he >>doesn't get creative or improvise. > Hmmm... How do you know that JM is doubling JP's riffs? It could very well be that JP is doubling what JM is doing! ;)

    But seriously, Mike P said in one interview that JM isn't exactly traditional in that he doesn't really "play off" the drummer. However, as someone who has obviously studied a lot, his basslines would inevitably be "groovy." +------------+-----------------+--------------------------------------+ |Elliott Kim | | | +------------+-----------------+--------------------------------------+ | It'd be wierd without beer... | +---------------------------------------------------------------------+


    Date: Thu, 20 Jun 1996 11:59:52 +0200 From: To: Message-ID: <v02130500adeed07076fd@[]>

    >why don't you get lost Dave. do you mean to tell me that if someone >approached you on the street to ask you an innocent question, you'd laugh >in his face if he lacked a good grasp of the english language? i'd >certainly hope not. you can be real asshole at times. > >Andrew

    No, I would certainly not unless I want to look like a prick. However, this is jam-land. If you and many others thought my remarks were tasteless, I can't help about that. I'm just disappointed to see that many of you are sooooo sensitive about these language/grammar/pronunciation issues.

    That's all.


    Date: Thu, 20 Jun 1996 08:29:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Partha Mukhopadhyay <> To: Subject: Reappointing the Disappointed Message-ID: <>

    About SFAM: Oliver's Twist To those whose curiosities were killed by the shouting Canuck, there's more to Ollie than an instrumental demo of a song we already I've said before, there's a chrono twist that's beyond unimaginable.....

    partha (I use dots, but don't call me sledge) mukhopadhyay


    Date: Thu, 20 Jun 1996 08:38:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Mike <> To: Yitz-see-jam <> Subject: boston? in two days? HAH! Message-ID: <>

    Howdy. A day after i get back from Boston, and there's like 10 jams in my mailbox. Geeze.

    Highlights from Boston!@

    - Mike not being able to see rather large Boston University transit trains as he tries to cross the tracks with 6 people in his car (which can only hold 4), and then trying to out_gun a Boston bus.

    - Ibanez asking John Petrucci questions WHILE HOLDING his video camera (suitable for bootlegging).

    - Ryan having far too many Dream Theater bootlegs, and wouldn't sell me a copy of Accoustic Dreams.

    - I slept with Bafu.

    - Scaring the shit out of John. After the clinic closed, we found out (this was plan 1c) that there was only one exit from the clinic. Ytsefreaks that we are, we stayed and waitied for our hero to walk out. As he walked out, we called his name. You could see him telling Jon Finn "if we just walk away, maybe they'll leave me alone." We got pictures. John's awsome.

    - Watching John do his Chopin exercise. His wife must be very happy...due to his fast fingers. =)

    - Seeing Bafu's chick magnet for a car. You'd think that he'd be a fast driver, seeing he's got such a kick ass car. Of course, _IF_ you thought that, you'd be wrong. =) (i wonder ever made it home to maryland...)

    - From D-Man <to Syrinx>: No, Mike. The order goes like this. Petrucci, Food, Alcohol, Car, Sleep.

    - Watching Brian play his guitar in simply awsome Petrucci style as Bafu takes pictures.

    - Driving from Long Island to my house in under 2 hours. =)

    - Driving 700 miles in two days. Eek.

    Ok. It's very early, and (like skadz) i don't get a day off. So, with that in mind, let me just say this: it was awsome hanging with all of you, and i can't wait to do it again. Rock on, guys.

    syrinx has spoken, so it shall be law.


    Date: Thu, 20 Jun 96 9:14:30 EDT From: To: <> Cc: <> Subject: re: Top Ten Musicians Message-ID: <>

    | Also, my survey of the 'jams TOP 10 favorite muscians with their | instruments is near nil! I have only gotten 3 1/2 Top 10s

    I don't know about anyone else, but I'd be hard pressed to name ten drummers, keyboardists or bassists whom I would consider favorites. Bands, singers and guitarists (I sorta play guitar) would be easy. How about a Top Three List!?!


    Date: 20 Jun 96 16:10:05 +0200 From: "Ollila Marko" <> To: Subject: A Queensryche joke Message-ID: <>

    Hello 'jamanoids.

    I found this in the latest Screaming In Digital. Hope you enjoy it. Those who don't appreciate Queensryche, ignore.

    "I remember now, I can't remember yesterday, I just remember drinking... what they sold me... sold me... sold me..."


    "............." - Harpo Marx -


    Date: Thu, 20 Jun 1996 09:55:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Pat Daugherty <> To: Dream Theater Mailing List <> Subject: Ronnie Scotts video footage at fan club site Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.960620095404.6925P-100000@bdmserver>

    They have a clip of DT with Steve from Marillion and a clip with Steve Howe on the Yes Medley


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    Date: Thu, 20 Jun 1996 11:59:29 -0400 From: Jon Sanford <> To: Subject: "asdf" (WWW generated email) Message-ID: <>

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