YTSEJAM digest 1637

Date: Fri Jun 21 1996 - 11:43:53 EDT

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    Today's Topics:

      1) Mike Portnoy - Australian Drum Clinic
     by "Don't Stop Believing" <>
      2) subscribing and Rush
     by (Andrew Miller)
      3) Lesson 1: How to air guitar DT's guitar solos.
     by "D_TiCian" <>
      4) dt's technical abilites
     by <> "Raivo Hool"
      5) YTSEJAM digest 1636
      6) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1636
      7) Facade
     by (Steve Lehrfeld)
      8) couple of replies & questions
      9) Tori Amos/Metallica/USENET
     by Pat Daugherty <>
     10) RQ's CD Player / SD Carved in Stone
     by (A G Stiles)
     11) status of the Prog Compilation CD
     by (Steve Lehrfeld)
     12) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1636
     13) Hi again ...
     by "Ryan P. Skadberg" <>


    Date: Fri, 21 Jun 1996 20:14:24 -0700
    From: "Don't Stop Believing" <>
    Subject: Mike Portnoy - Australian Drum Clinic
    Message-ID: <>

    Mike appeared at the Ultimate Drummers Weekend in Melbourne on June
    15/16. On the second day, he performed with the local covers band Theater
    of Dreams.


    Date: Fri, 21 Jun 1996 05:08:00
    From: (Andrew Miller)
    Subject: subscribing and Rush
    Message-ID: <>

    >From: (MS ANNA M STIGLIC)
    >>Jon C. Sanford
    >>164 Mill Point Drive
    >>Hampton, VA 23669
    >>"Subscribe Ytsejam (Jon Sanford)"
    >oh boy...THIS is BAD. somebody want to help this poor soul? they
    >seem to be QUITE lost...i would myself, but i tried to help someone
    >once, and they were quite rude about good deed goes

    i sent this guy an email with the correct info for subscribing. i also
    asked him if he could recall the URL of the page that he found the link
    that he used. as someone once said, there's a page out there that has a
    link to that shouldn't be there. you can just do like i did
    on my page and just type out the instructions.

    anyway, this guy hasn't responded yet, but i kinda hope he does. maybe
    we'll be able to end the mystery.

    >From: (Gordon McFee)
    >Subject: Rush's attitude? EXCUSE me?
    >going to buy the tribute album, but I think you have a lot of nerve
    >suggesting that every band that gets their songs ripped off ought to
    >appreciate it being done!

    maybe i'm missing something, but how could Magna Carta record and release a
    tribute album that rips off Rush? Magna Carta is a legitimate record
    company and it seems to me that they would be shut down with a huge
    copyright infringement suit if they did so. my understanding of copyright
    law is that anyone can cover a song on an album if they obtain a mechanical
    license and negotiate royalties with the legal copyright holders. does
    Rush own the copyrights to their work, or does the record company? perhaps
    if Rush didn't hold the copyrights, negotiations would have bypassed them,
    but i don't know. this would explain why the band hadn't heard about the
    album. but i'm no law expert. if anyone has a good understanding of
    copyright law, fill me in, would ya? :)

    i really hope the Tribute is released, 'cause i'm dying to hear The Boys
    playin some Rush tracks on a studio release.

    "My uncle has a country place that no one knows about...."

      Andrew Miller - Songwriter/Keyboardist/Singer
      - SubtleRage (progressive rock)
      - Interum (new age/prog instrumental)


    Date: Fri, 21 Jun 1996 18:20:01 +8GMT
    From: "D_TiCian" <>
    Subject: Lesson 1: How to air guitar DT's guitar solos.
    Message-ID: <>

    Let's see, there's some dtc in this one. I guess.

    Description of guitar solos. Like what kind of face goes with which DT
    solo. U know, for us air guitarists.

    Title: Pull me under
    Desc: "Since when does your mouth play a wah-wah? solo."
    How-To: While air guitaring, open your mouth and mimick the sound a
    baby crying. Be sure to rock at least one foot.

    Title: Another Day
    Desc: "I've got anguish and pain solo."
    How-To: Close you eyes and distort your face such that u
    seem to be in lots of pain. And bend those bends.

    Title: Take the time
    Desc: (Keyboard + guitar solo)
    How-To: While u pretend fingering guitar frets move your other
    finger as if you're playing a keyboard.
    Desc: (Fade out guitar solo) "Whammy sally solo"
    How-To: After every note shake your picking hand as if you're urm,
    heh. Then, Brush both hands up and down as if you're trying to brush
    something off the fret board

    Title: Under a Glass Moon
    Desc: "Drop your jaw, open your eyes wide, drool, and stare in awe
    solo" How-To: Wriggle your fingers real quick.

    The end.
    Chan Zhi Hong, Darryl = D_TiCian = dtc ||

    ~Young enough not to care too much, about the way things used to be...
    I'm old enough not to care too much, about what you think of me...~
            -rush, Cut to the chase


    Date: Fri, 21 Jun 1996 14:16:26 -2000
    From: <> "Raivo Hool"
    Subject: dt's technical abilites
    Message-ID: <>

    >> Let's face it, in the rock world alone, there are many guitarists that can
    >> out-shred Petrucci.
    >> As for Portnoy, well he really doesn't impress me much.

    >ha! hahaha! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAAAAA!!! Sorry Ernie, but I never suspected
    >you of being a complete fucking moron until now. I know the name calling is

    on second thought however you may understand that he might as well be
    right. partly, that is, but still right.

    you know, there definitely are many guitarists that can outdo
    petrucci. petrucci considers steve vai and al dimeola (for example)
    his idols or something, but having interviewed vai, i must tell that
    even that guy feels as if he's not worth to hold a candle to many
    guitarists out there.

    i can't really compare myung to anybody since i know less than
    nothing about good bass players (aside from claypool, cliff burton
    and billy sheehan), nor do i have a high-end audio system to figure
    out any complex bass lines, so i leave it all untouched.


    mike portnoy's drumming is one of the finest works i've ever heard.
    period. ranks with terry bozzio any day a week. i know many drummers,
    some of whom could leave many well-known performers gasping for air.
    i've still not heard *any* bad word about portnoy from them. vice
    versa. nobody's perfect though.

    an opera singer once happened to be around when i was listening to
    "awake" and she almost jumped when she heard "innocence faded". she
    said james could be well off if he turned to classical music. in rock
    music (in general) i haven't heard a better singer, but as mentioned
    below... (see next paragraph)

    those guys are definitely so well-trained and highly educated that it
    really takes an expert to work out who's better than who. at least
    it's way beyond *my* grasp.


    p.s. flames to /dev/null

              "I screamed until my thraot was sore,
               then quoth the raven, 'Nevermore!'"


    Date: Fri, 21 Jun 1996 07:44:50 -0500
    Subject: YTSEJAM digest 1636
    Message-ID: <>

          This is for all of those out there who cannot stand KEU. He is
    not a DT fan. He works with a certain DT fan on the jam, and he one
    day looked over this DT fans shoulder and thought that he might like
    to be a ***** and start up lot's of fights. Now I have never met keu,
    but his co-worker is a real cool guy, so don't blame him if you guess
    who it is. My advice to you is to just ignore all of his posts and as
    with all stupid people he will eventually go away.


                           IF YOU WANT TO SAY **** ABOUT ME GET YOUR ****ING
    FACTS STREIGHT *******

                           1st off that wasnt the orgional intention Of ME
    signing on to this list.

                           2nd of off Your WRONG DEAD WRONG. The "co-worker"
    you above mentioned Happened to get This "Jam" on the company E-mail
    address's I happened to see it. And thought it would be nice to post

                           3rd off I Actully have posted intelligent things
    here BUT i guess you have to be in the Ytsejam "Clique" to get noticed.

                           4th off HOW MANY FREAKING TIMES CAN YOU GUYS TALK
    ABOUT THE SAME ****ING THING? "Oh i Like Myung, Oh Awake is a great cd"
    GOD EXPAND into different topics. Has this ever been brought up? The
    style of music that Dt Plays. Why is it so popular in Japan and not in
    the us? PROB. NOT! why? cause NO ONE EVER READ MY POST From 2 months

                            5th off Ever hear of a JOKE? SCARCASM? A LITTLE
    FUN? God the internet and it's contents are suppose to be a huge
    conglomerate of people's ideas, thoughts, sugestions, and most of all
    opinions! Just because I post a Question that was off topic (HELL
    me beause of the way i answered it. WHY NOT REPLY IN A CONCICE

                             6th off DONT EVER link me with the "co-worker"
    that was named. He is not responsable for me comming on this yes (we not
    directly) I didnt go to him and ask his PERMISSION to sign on here HE IS

                    So i hope this sums up Why I am here. Now please
    continue on with your life's and keep on Jammin...

    PS "Quote of the day from "Q" " You obtuse piece of flotsam""

                   Boy for a guy who supposly never saw me. How could you
    make such a statement? Oh thats right Your Pea sized brain cant handle
    the Big words you just typed so you needed to quote them youself.

                   your nothing but a Hapless moonclaf spewing your Mindless
    dribble out for all to see and might think you have some type of

    Keu Has Bellowed


    Date: Fri, 21 Jun 1996 09:23:25 -0400
    Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1636
    Message-ID: <>

    In a message dated 96-06-21 04:04:08 EDT, you write:

     Date: Thu, 20 Jun 96 18:08 EDT
     From: (Sledge)
     Subject: First of all
     Message-ID: <>
                            <<<<<<< First of all >>>>>>>>
     THIS IS FOR MAPE.. I don't have to appollagize for shit..
                            <<<<<<< Second of all >>>>>>>>
     DO YOU people OWN this mailing list??? stop telling everyone what to do
     just because you're some old mature person doesn't mean you can tell every
     one else what to do.
    YEAH...and your butt stinks too, you are a big doo-doo head.

    ALSO...the most mispelled word on the Jam..definitely

    Warren in Oregon soundiing off on the important things in life


    Date: Fri, 21 Jun 1996 09:35:16 +0000
    From: (Steve Lehrfeld)
    Subject: Facade
    Message-ID: <>

    Since some of you have been asking around how to order the Facade CD,
    i'll repost the information.

    Facade is a new and interesting prog band in the vein of DT, QR, FW,
    as well as less prog styles of Dokken, Pearl Jam, etc. Their new CD,
    "fade" is available for a limited time promotional price of just $8 +($2
    S/H in the US, $4 S/H international). Send check, money-order, cash,
    international postal order, etc. to:

    DREG Records
    Facade "fade"
    1912 Old Stonemill Dr
    Cranbury, NJ 08512

    Or visit their website for more info on the album, download song
    samples, read the rave reviews, etc:

    Facade is starting to gain international attention via sales to the far
    corners of the world including Japan, the Netherlands, UK, etc. Also,
    they are getting radio airplay on various non-commercial stations as
    well as foreign stations from places like Mexico and Lithuania. Join
    the revolution...


    DREG Records homepage:

    Facade homepage: (check out the new CD!)


    Date: Fri, 21 Jun 96 09:26:28 EST
    Subject: couple of replies & questions
    Message-ID: <>

         good day, eh...
         re: VH: i heard the same thing on 104.3 in NY yesterday, 6/20
         about Van Halen. however, the dj did make it clear that it was
         just a rumour and cannot be either confirmed or denied. a
         listener called in and said he heard this from a friend in LA. he
         said Eddie fired Sammy, he called Dave and Dave was on a plane.
         as to the validity of this story, we'll have wait and see.
         to Mithrandir: regarding your question of which would win, a Star
         Destroyer or Enterprise - D, a clarification is necessary. is the
         Star Destroyer a regular one or a super Star Destroyer like
         Vader's flagship? oh, and say "hi" to Elrond for me....
         i've kind of been busy here at work and lost track of some of the
         threads and whatnot. so i was wondering if we ever found out what
         Mike's DT secret was. anybody know? also, i've seen talk of
         Metropolis. is part 2 gonna be on the new album.
         RUSH tribute album: they don't want it. their not done yet.
         they'd rather a band acknowledge RUSH as an influence than do a
         tribute ablum. tributes are for bands who aren't around anymore,
         according to Alex, RUSH plans to stay around for a while. that's
         got milk?
         the mad immortal man...
         * greet a passing stranger *
         * feel the strength in his hand *
         * feel the world expand *
         * - NP, 1989 *


    Date: Fri, 21 Jun 1996 09:43:01 -0400 (EDT)
    From: Pat Daugherty <>
    To: Dream Theater Mailing List <>
    Subject: Tori Amos/Metallica/USENET
    Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.960621093547.27587D-100000@bdmserver>

    If anyone is interested VH1 is showing a half hour "crossroads" show with
    Tori Amos on Sunday at 11:30pm EST. It was on the other night and I was
    going to record it but I thought it was starting a half hour later then
    when it really did. Supposedly she is suppose to do 3 covers and one
    original song. I did see her do her last song and it was "Over the Rainbow".

    Did anyone catch Metallica's Rockumentary? This would make some good
    conversation but we aren't allowed...

    Has anyone been following the DT and Queensryche newsgroup? I think I
    spend so much time defending DT on the QR newsgroup. I dont get it. How
    come DT fans have so much more class than QR (no DT) fans? Most DT fans
    were QR fans before they became DT fans. I never see DT fans saying QR
    sucks just QR only fans saying DT sucks. If anyone is bored you should
    check out the newsgroups and Someone needs to kill Mindcrimer or
    MIndWHINER since every post he posts he says DT sucks...

    | Pat Daugherty |
    | "Every breath leaves me one less to my last" --Dream Theater |
    | "That is not an option, Mr. Mulder" --X-Files |
    |The Baltimore Orioles-The team to beat in 1996!!!!!!! | Go DC United! |


    Date: Fri, 21 Jun 1996 08:52:01 -0500
    From: (A G Stiles)
    Subject: RQ's CD Player / SD Carved in Stone
    Message-ID: <>

    To anyone who is interested....
    I just completed the .txt file for Shadow Gallery's
    Carved in Stone for use with RQ's CD player for
    Windoze95. If anyone would like to have it, e-mail
    me with something descriptive in the subject so I can
    discern it from the rest of my mail.

    Andrew G. Stiles
                                  _ __
          O | ___________(_)___ _ | / \__@ _
      __ /\ __ | / \___ (_) | \__/ \_ _______(_)__,
     / \\ / \ | ____/ | __/ ` '
    _\__//_\__/___ | ULTIMATE | MOUNTAIN / \ BIKING
     CYCLING '``'```'`'`'``'`'``'' ________\__/^_________


    Date: Fri, 21 Jun 1996 10:19:20 +0000
    From: (Steve Lehrfeld)
    Subject: status of the Prog Compilation CD
    Message-ID: <>

    As announced a few months ago, DREG Records is planning to release a
    compilation of talented unsigned progressive bands found on the
    internet. Well, we received many excellent submissions and have pared
    the list down to 12 bands (at least 65 minutes of music). The
    official roster is:

    Cold Front
    Nature's Call
    Monster Zero
    Psychedelic Lullabies
    The Age Of Reason
    tba (can't announce them yet)

    There are some DT related bands, some are metal some are rock, some
    are undescribable. You can find out more about the bands and songs as
    the information becomes available at:

    Many thanks to all the bands who submitted material. There are so
    many talented bands out there that you haven't heard of yet, many of
    them right here on the YtseJam!

    The release is scheduled for early fall, so keep your eyes peeled...


    DREG Records homepage:

    Facade homepage: (check out the new CD!)


    Date: Fri, 21 Jun 1996 10:14:04 -0400
    Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1636
    Message-ID: <>

    >>>Also, I want to say that I probably should've thought before
    >>>I pressed the send button in my last post regarding Ernie...
    >>>It was a reflex :)
    This was a bit uncalled for. At least you posted this second message. But
    this was what Skadz was talking about. If it's an impulse, they've got
    shock treatments for that........(sorry)
    >>>"Subscribe Ytsejam (Jon Sanford)"
    Ok... Whoever mentions Ytsejam in their web sites, please don't put the
    posting address online; you're confusing people. If you have to put both
    addresses there, PLEASE make it very clear for anyone who visits and decides
    to subscribe.
    >>> whole Seattle Symphony Orchestra. You dont get much better than that.
    The Seattle Symphony is awesome! Check out their recordings with Alan
    Hovhaness on Delos records!!
    >>>Basically my post yesterday was not personally pointed at anyone.
    It needed to be done, but I bet you're now the bullseye of many a dartboard...
    >>>Some people may argue that Metallica is related to DT, but ever heard
    something about a dead horse? Thank You!!!!!!!!
    >>>DO YOU people OWN this mailing list??? stop telling everyone what to do
    >>>just because you're some old mature person doesn't mean you can tell every
    >>>one else what to do.
    Here's a mistake if I ever saw one. Well, somebody has to own it...go fig,
    Now...Anyone know if DT plans to do an instrumental for their next release?
    I hope so...I like James LaBrie, but instrumentals are always refreshing.
    (And it gives LaBrie some time to rest his voice........)

    Mark Tomko

    "How many boards would the Mongols hoard if the Mongol hordes got bored?"
    "Don't look into car headlights and freeze, because you'll either get run
    over or shot." -Hobbes


    Date: Fri, 21 Jun 1996 11:31:49 -0400 (EDT)
    From: "Ryan P. Skadberg" <>
    Subject: Hi again ...
    Message-ID: <>

    Hi all ...

            Me again :)

    Itchy asked:

    > I was wondering what it would take to get this warning... I mean, had I
    > been Skadz (one can dream) I'd kicked some major ass already...

    Well, basically this is to my discretion, but I'm not going to
    pull a JimmyC and get pissed about everything I don't like personally.
    You are gonna get warned if you start flaming people publically,
    or continuing an off-topic thread on the jam, or saying plain stupidness
    which doesn't belong on the jam to begin with. Its basically something
    that is going to evolve as the jam goes on to fit whatever problems
    are on the jam at that time.

    As for being Skadz, just learn too much about UNIX and work for an ISP
    and at a big gathering of jammers mention that you would be interested
    in helping Ken out with the jam :)

    > Isn't there a way to set up temporary lists to discuss off-topic threads
    > like that ?

    This is kind of ridiculous because there are already newsgroups and
    mailing lists out there for every topic imaginable and anything off
    topic to hear is probably on topic to another list.

    > I'm willing to listen to any band that gets some bandwith on this list.

    I wasn't saying that we can't discuss other bands on this list. I have
    expanded my CD collection many times from recommendations from the list.
    But there is a difference between recommending a band or having a discussion
    about a band and what happened with the Metallica discussion.

    Sledge said:

    > DO YOU people OWN this mailing list??? stop telling everyone what to do
    > just because you're some old mature person doesn't mean you can tell every
    > one else what to do.

    No, but I moderate it. And there are plenty of jammers on the list older
    and more mature than me, but I am the moderator and I have to keep the list
    in some sort of order. And with that job comes telling people what they
    can and can't do on this list. The fact that it is in an unmoderated
    list doesn't mean that it has to be a big junk message every day. There is
    a purpose behind this list and that's what the content should reflect.

    James Bako said:

    > Some of you might well remember the winter gigs in which he and Rod
    > Morgenstein opened up for a couple of the DT shows. Well, he told me that
    > their album is almost complete, after which they will shop it around to
    > any interested record labels. Currently the duo will go under the moniker
    > of RPM (Rudess-Morgenstein Project).

    SHould that be RMP? :) These guys were amazing at the Christmas shows and
    I really hope they get a deal real fast. Someone should tell them to
    go directly to Magna Carta :)

    Mithrandir wrote:

    > Question for all Sci Fi fans: In a battle between the Enterprise
    > NCC-1701D and an Imperial Star Destroyer, who would win? Input is appreciated.

    And please direct all input directly to Mith and not the whole jam.
    thankyouverymuch :)

    All from me for now....


    | Ryan P Skadberg                          |
    | s y s t e m . a d m i n i s t r a t o r / w e b . d e v e l o p  e r  |
    | |
    \    "And every prayer we pray at night has somehow lost its meaning"   /
     \                "Dead Winter Dead"  - Savatage                       /


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