YTSEJAM digest 1638

Date: Sat Jun 22 1996 - 00:33:37 EDT

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    Today's Topics:

      1) Derek's little side project
     by (Jason Breitweg (Wisconsin))
      2) Thursday night in Hollywood
     by John Mastin <>
      3) Re: Thursday night in Hollywood
     by BERTAPELLE ADAM RAYE <bertapel@ucsu.Colorado.EDU>
      4) VH rumors
     by The Digital Man <>
      5) Derek Sherinian
     by "John R. Kotzian" <>
      6) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1637
     by (Larry Odneal)
      7) I'VE HAD ENOUGH ! (all jammers please read)
     by (Scott Cook)
      8) Re: Rush Tribute album
     by (Steve Lehrfeld)
      9) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1637
     by Cliff & Pam Wheaton <>
     10) computer disks make good drink coasters
     by RipZero <>
     11) 'Carpe Diem' UPDATE !!!IMPORTANT!!!
     12) Jethro Tull Tribute is out?
     by Pat Daugherty <>
     13) Galactic Cowboys chat (fwd)
     by Pat Daugherty <>
     14) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1637
     by Galactic Cowboy <>
     15) Sorry Ernie...
     by buster <>
     16) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1637
     by "BRENDEN R. THOMSON" <>
     17) FW: Brian Cox, Star Wars, and ssomething else (ytsejam post)
     18) Various things
     by Mithrandir <>


    Date: Fri, 21 Jun 96 17:47:34 +0200
    From: (Jason Breitweg (Wisconsin))
    Subject: Derek's little side project
    Message-ID: <>

    Hi All,

    Someone was asking me about the name of the band that Derek plays in,
    the one that plays in little bars and such. And I have totally
    forgotten. Something like the Ethyl Mertz Project *laugh*. Can
    anyone please e-mail directly with the right name? Thanks much.


    +--------------=> Jason T Breitweg ( <=---------------+
    | I've got Heavy Metal Music in my blood |
    | and I'd like to get it to you if I could |
    +------------------=> <=------------------+


    Date: Fri, 21 Jun 1996 10:56:24 -0500 (CDT)
    From: John Mastin <>
    Subject: Thursday night in Hollywood
    Message-ID: <>

    Hey, hey..

    Thursday night, a few friends and I were at place called The Palace in
    Hollywood. As we were leaving, some guy outside was wearing an Awake
    shirt. I didn't have a chance to ask him about it. Who knows, maybe he's
    a Jammer.... :D

    Johnny Motown


    Date: Fri, 21 Jun 1996 10:10:19 -0600 (MDT)
    From: BERTAPELLE ADAM RAYE <bertapel@ucsu.Colorado.EDU>
    To: Multiple recipients of list <>
    Subject: Re: Thursday night in Hollywood
    Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.93.960621100925.7243A-100000@ucsu.Colorado.EDU>

    On Fri, 21 Jun 1996, John Mastin wrote:

    > Hey, hey..
    > Thursday night, a few friends and I were at place called The Palace in
    > Hollywood. As we were leaving, some guy outside was wearing an Awake
    > shirt. I didn't have a chance to ask him about it. Who knows, maybe he's
    > a Jammer.... :D
    Yeah....I was at a DT concert in '92 at the Palace....have a really bad
    bootleg video of it, too ;-)


    Date: Fri, 21 Jun 1996 12:58:34 -0400 (EDT)
    From: The Digital Man <>
    To: Ytse Jam <>
    Subject: VH rumors
    Message-ID: <>

    > From:
    > Subject: Haggar? Roth? eh?

    Yeah, sure thing, dipshit. Listen, I have some beachfront property in
    North Dakota that I'm selling for cheap. You interested?

      The Digital Man \|/ ____ \|/ Secretary "@'/ ,. \`@" UVM Comp Sci Student Assn /_| \__/ |_\ "He won't need a bed \__U_/ He's a digital man" - Peart


    Date: Fri, 21 Jun 1996 13:03:54 -0400 (EDT)
    From: "John R. Kotzian" <>
    To: (Explore The Boundries)
    Subject: Derek Sherinian
    Message-ID: <>


            -I forgot to mention in my last post that Derek Sherinian is
    featured on a few tracks of the Jethro Tull Tribute Album being released
    by Magna Carta on July 2.

    _____________________			____________________________
    John R. Kotzian	
    	"Pride and ego, my lad. Pride and ego.
    		 It's what makes the world rotate!" - Rodney
    _____________________			____________________________


    Date: Fri, 21 Jun 1996 10:16:49 -0700 From: (Larry Odneal) To: Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1637 Message-ID: <>

    Raivo Hool wrote:

    >mike portnoy's drumming is one of the finest works i've ever heard. >period.

    Amen! > >an opera singer once happened to be around when i was listening to >"awake" and she almost jumped when she heard "innocence faded". she >said james could be well off if he turned to classical music. in rock >music (in general) i haven't heard a better singer, but as mentioned >below... (see next paragraph) > >those guys are definitely so well-trained and highly educated that it >really takes an expert to work out who's better than who. at least >it's way beyond *my* grasp.

    Ah, at last, genuine appreciation for the musical gods we know as Dream Theater! IMO, every member of DT is a virtuoso and TOPS in his field!

    And now for something completely different . . .

    KEU wrote: >STREIGHT . . . orgional . . . 2nd of off Your WRONG DEAD WRONG . . . >address's . . .Actully have posted intelligent things >PROB. NOT! SCARCASM? . . . sugestions . . . CONCICE INTELLIGENT >ANSWER? . . responsable for me comming on this yes (we not directly) >Please continue on with your life's... supposly . . . Oh thats right >Your Pea sized brain cant handle the Big words you just typed so you >needed to quote them youself. >moonclaf . . . dribble > >Keu Has Bellowed

    Yes, and we all have suffered for it! ;^) OK. I know that we shouldn't criticize those who have trouble with spelling, but in this case the "one" is criticizing someone else's intelligence. BTW, I didn't quote the above from the Jam - actually I looked in Roget's Thesaurus for "the pot calling the kettle black" and there it was - "STREIGHT . . . orgional . . .2nd of off", etc.

    Oh great, I just made another enemy. Hey KEU, I still wanna be your friend - all the above is CONSTRUCTIVE criticism! Here's one more - do yourself a favor and go buy a dictionary - seriously, everybody should have one! No sarcasm intended.

    Pat D. wrote:

    > I dont get it. How come DT fans have so much more class than QR (no >DT) fans? Most DT fans were QR fans before they became DT fans. I >never see DT fans saying QR sucks just QR only fans saying DT sucks.

    That's easy, Pat - Jealousy. QR fans are just smart enough to recognize that DT has displaced their band (in their minds) as the Kings of Prog. So they attack the NEW Kings.

    As for QR, I just don't see it - they have never impressed me at all. But I won't say they suck - they write some cool songs, but hey, where's the virtuosity? ;^)

    About this Sammy vs. Dave thing - I haven't heard the rumor (except HERE) but is it possible that VH is filming a "past" type of concert for the Stern movie, and has asked Dave to return ONLY for that filming? I read that Howard Stern asked David Letterman to play himself (and he DOES plan to), but Letterman refused to wear a wig that was supposed to "restore his hairline to historical accuracy". Maybe the VH brouhaha is part of this movie, too. I hope!




    Date: Fri, 21 Jun 1996 10:55:09 -0700 From: (Scott Cook) To: Subject: I'VE HAD ENOUGH ! (all jammers please read) Message-ID: <>

    Here we go again! >>> From: (Sledge) To: Subject: First of all <<<<<<< First of all >>>>>>>>

    THIS IS FOR MAPE.. I don't have to appollagize for shit.. Grinder did the same exact thing.. NOW can we please get back to Dream Theater. .. sheeesszz


    <<<<<<< Second of all >>>>>>>>

    DO YOU people OWN this mailing list??? stop telling everyone what to do just because you're some old mature person doesn't mean you can tell every one else what to do.


    OK, I have something I would like to say to everyone.

    I don't know what Sledge's problem is with me and to be perfectly honest with y'all I don't really care. But I can see that this could turn out to be the Mother of all Flame wars. As some of you know I'm one of the older members on the jam (34). I've been having put-down contests (or flame wars as they're called in cyberspace) since I was ten years old. I'm very good at it and can get very personal. The last thing I want to do is start a flame war; but if this guy keeps this up I'm not gonna have any other choice.

    Now I know most people here would agree with me when I say the last thing anyone wants is another Mojo/Mithrandir type flame war again. So could anyone who agrees that this would be a waste of bandwidth to please email Sledge at <> and ask him to knock it off. I don't want any apologies or explanation from him, I just want him to stop. Maybe if enough people email him asking him to chill out maybe he'll get the message.

    Thanks for your time and hopefully this'll be the last time this subject is brought up.


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    Date: Fri, 21 Jun 1996 14:09:01 +0000 From: (Steve Lehrfeld) To: Subject: Re: Rush Tribute album Message-ID: <>

    > From: (Andrew Miller) > > maybe i'm missing something, but how could Magna Carta record and release a > tribute album that rips off Rush? ... does > Rush own the copyrights to their work, or does the record company? perhaps > if Rush didn't hold the copyrights, negotiations would have bypassed them, > but i don't know. this would explain why the band hadn't heard about the > album. but i'm no law expert. if anyone has a good understanding of > copyright law, fill me in, would ya? :)

    Actually, the way it works for cover songs is that you DON'T need the permission of the original artist to do it. You simply have to pay a nominal fee based on the length of the song and how many copies will go into print. This fee goes to the artist's publisher (which may or may not be the artist).

    The royalty is surprisingly low. For example, if your band wanted to cover a song that's around 4 minutes long on your independant release of say 500 CDs, it would cost you around $90. I forget the exact numbers, you'd have to check with ASCAP or BMI, etc. But the original artist can NOT refuse you the right to re-record their material!

    So Rush would not be aware of it until someone brings it to their attention (or they receive payment), and there's not much they can do about it except flex their muscles and give Magna Carta a hard time...


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    Date: Fri, 21 Jun 1996 12:02:47 -0600 From: Cliff & Pam Wheaton <> To: Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1637 Message-ID: <>

    Hi all: I sure enjoyed this one-thanks for posting it,D_TiCian-actually I about fell out of my chair laughing.!!!

    > Subject: Lesson 1: How to air guitar DT's guitar solos. > Description of guitar solos. Like what kind of face goes with which D>now....How about the proper steering wheel drumming techniche? (sp?) first, put any DT in the deck. 2: turn it up almost to distortion level. the various areas of the steering wheel are the different percussive instruments.:)pound away while singing at the top of your lungs. The volume of the music covers any rotten singing voice ( as mine is) well-and is very enjoyable in the process!!! enjoy!!!! Pam Pam Wheaton _____/----^---\____ </__"Rockin Cabbie"__\o 0 0 **************************************** Cliff Wheaton The greatest tool for world Peace. "THE INTERNET" E-mail: Url:


    Date: Fri, 21 Jun 1996 13:07:08 -0500 From: RipZero <> To: Heavy Metal Computer Nerds <> Subject: computer disks make good drink coasters Message-ID: <>

    I went out yesterday and picked up Zakk Wylde's Book of Shadows. The whole cd is very acoustic, and has a dark sound throughout. Personally, i like the cd a hell of a lot, i listened through it probably 4 or 5 times yesterday. He does a lot of different things throughout it, i can't say its much like the Pride and Glory album but it still has that old southern kick to it :) in fact, just talkin 'bout it i think i need to listen through it again... brb ;) >I heard on the radio today that Vh is dumpping haggar for >roth for the howard stern Movie comming out in feb. anyone else hear >this? Keu, i hope youre not bullshitting here. stuff like this has been said before... like that time back in 93(?) ed got drunk down in austrailia or something and blabbed they were getting dave back. I'd still love to see Diamond Dave take another spin with the boys though, even if they just get him back for a scene in the movie. i guess if its true we'll hear more over time.

    luego ~Rip


    Date: Fri, 21 Jun 1996 20:43:49 +0200 (MET DST) From: To: Subject: 'Carpe Diem' UPDATE !!!IMPORTANT!!! Message-ID: <>

    Hi All,

    I think that it's time for me to explain some things. I know some of you have been waiting for their copy of 'Carpe Diem', but I hate to say this, it's gonna take a while before my problems with the cd will be solved.

    The people who have received 'Carpe Diem' will probably have noticed that the cd is not a regular one. That's right, it's a writable cd. I am using a Philips cd writer to make those cd's.

    Here's the problem:

    The Orange book standard (some standard for writable cd's, like an ISO 9??? standard) says that between every audio track there should be a 2 second blank gap. With a 'normal' cd that's no problem at all, but with a LIVE cd, like 'Carpe Diem' that sucks. I know you don't want to hear a 2 second gap between every song.

    So what I did was, I bought a special program that could write without the 2 second gap. BUT, for some reason I get a stupid error every once in a while resulting in a loss of the cd. I have screwed up more than 15 cd's that way ($8.50 each!!). That's when I decided to stop, and make sure the error would never occur again.

    That was easier said than done. Currently the guy who wrote that program is trying to find out what's wrong, and until he finds out what the problem is, I can't write any cd's.

    If there's anyone out there who also owns a cd writer, please contact me! I have heard about other programmes that can erase those 2 seconds, but I tried them and they didn't locate my cd writer 'cause I don't have the appropriate drivers. Those programmes are Corel CD Creator 2 and Gear Multimedia.

    If you don't mind about a 2 second gap between the songs, e-mail me and I'll make sure your cd will be shipped as soon as possible.

    For the others, I'm really sorry, but there's nothing I can do until I solve this problem. I don't want to throw away another $130+ for nothing.

    I hope you can understand my problem and have enough patience to wait a little while longer.

    Take care,

    Marcel Berkhout


    Date: Fri, 21 Jun 1996 15:43:20 -0400 (EDT) From: Pat Daugherty <> To: Dream Theater Mailing List <> Subject: Jethro Tull Tribute is out? Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.960621154240.27587I-100000@bdmserver>

    cdconnection has the Jethro Tull tribute for sale. Does anyone have it?

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    Date: Fri, 21 Jun 1996 16:54:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Pat Daugherty <> To: Dream Theater Mailing List <> Subject: Galactic Cowboys chat (fwd) Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.960621165340.6404A-100000@bdmserver>

    Just forwarding this to the jam for those who can get irc to work (unlike me).

    ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 21 Jun 1996 16:38:39 -0400 From: To: Subject: Galactic Cowboys chat

    When: Monday the 24th 9pm eastern time Where: IRC channel #machinefish try EFnet dialup through,,,,

    Monty will be there and hopefully Wally or Ben as well... transcripts are available if you miss it. Just email subject: "GC on IRC"



    Date: Fri, 21 Jun 1996 19:41:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Galactic Cowboy <> To: Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1637 Message-ID: <>

    As to the Rod Morganstein/Ruddess mention:

    I remember being at the Birch Hill show when these guys played and someone from the crowd yelled, "Hey's Jon Tesh."

    Just thought that was funny.



    Date: Fri, 21 Jun 1996 20:24:40 -0400 From: buster <> To: Subject: Sorry Ernie... Message-ID: <>


    I owe you an apology for my reaction to your most recent post. I didn't think first, I just typed and clicked. It just really blows me away that anyone on this list would say that DT is not that impressive, especially on a list of DT fans that support DT.. .blew me away so much that I got defensive on their behalf (something Im' quite used to doing with non-fans).

    I'm sincerely sorry my lame comment, but I sorta couldn't help it :) But I will maintain that I still politely disagree with you. DREAM THEATER RULES! HA! :)

    Peace, buster

    Would someone please check my page and tell me if I'm giving the wrong information for users to subscribe to the jam? Thanks much! When Dream and Doom Unite! (yes, the page where you can get the DT Doom2 level)


    Date: Sat, 22 Jun 1996 11:27:09 +1000 (EST) From: "BRENDEN R. THOMSON" <> To: Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1637 Message-ID: <>

    > > Mike appeared at the Ultimate Drummers Weekend in Melbourne on June > 15/16. On the second day, he performed with the local covers band Theater > of Dreams.

    I didn't even know he was going to be in Australia!! Did anyone film this?

    See ya - Brenden


    Date: Fri, 21 Jun 96 21:47:21 PDT From: To: Ytsejam <> Subject: FW: Brian Cox, Star Wars, and ssomething else (ytsejam post) Message-ID: <>

    --- On Fri, 21 Jun 1996 17:18:35 -0400 (EDT) Andy <ytsejam@UDel.Edu> wrote: I am in need of getting in touch with Brian Cox. Does anyone know if this man is still alive. Please e-mail me with any infomation on the whereabouts of Brian Cox.

    I am also in need of getting a Lando from the new set of Star Wars guys.... I am willing to pay.... let me know what you guys have.

    That's it for the moment... but i will be back, you can count on that.


    Andrew Miller "Where do I take this pain of mine, ytsejam@Udel.Edu I run but it stays right by my side." --or-- -Lars Ulrich

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    ------------------------------------- Name: Barker E-mail: Date: 6/21/96 Time: 9:47:21 PM -------------------------------------


    Date: Fri, 21 Jun 1996 21:25:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Mithrandir <> To: Subject: Various things Message-ID: <>

    Hi Kids!!!!

    Power Windows, this Saturday night on L.I. anyone interested. You get to see Rush perform without leaving the confines of a cool bar.

    Star Destroyer does not have to be the " Executioner", could be "Avenger" or any ordinary one. Oh yeah, Elrond says HI

    Karri, did you ever get my questions?

    Take the Time on AQ: In the jam towards the end, what is that very familiar riff and piano part? It is not DT but I have heard it before, what is It? Elen sila lumenn omentilmo, Mithrandir


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