YTSEJAM digest 1641

Date: Mon Jun 24 1996 - 18:18:48 EDT

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    Today's Topics:

      1) Working Man
     by (Keiji Nishihara)
      2) Rainbow...
     by Shawna Lea Adams <SADAMS1@WELLESLEY.EDU>
      3) Power Windows review
     by Mithrandir <>
      4) bye-bye
     by (Ernesto Schnack)
      5) dtc.....sort of
     by (Mathew)
     by Michael Bahr <>
      7) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1636
      8) New Soundgarden, threads
     by Mark Metzger <>
      9) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1638
     by Adam Barnhart <>
     10) Tori/Savatage
     by Pat Daugherty <>
     11) Re:D.T./Rainbow Tour
     by Dave Fernquist <103362.445@CompuServe.COM>
     12) New Marty Friedman
     by Pat Daugherty <>
     13) All kinds of stuff
     by The Cow God <>
     14) Quick...
     by The Cow God <>
     15) The nature of popular music
     by Jim Beavens <>
     16) Boston Tour canceled
     by Pat Daugherty <>


    Date: Mon, 24 Jun 96 14:00:08 +0900
    From: (Keiji Nishihara)
    Subject: Working Man
    Message-ID: <>

     Hi! I'm Keiji from Japan.
     I'm listening the song from Working Man---Rush Tribute,yes,it's on the
    radio right now. To tell the truth,it's my 3rd (maybe 4th) listening from
    that album. Those are amazing,though I've never had a chance to listen
    original version. I've heard 'Mission','Jacob's Ladder',and 2 other tracks
    (sorry I forget song titles,I remember Eric Martin and Jack Russell are
    singing on those songs). The release date of Working Man--Rush tribute
    is1996-07-21. You better check this album.
    -Keiji Nishihara


    Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 01:40:26 -0500 (EST)
    From: Shawna Lea Adams <SADAMS1@WELLESLEY.EDU>
    Subject: Rainbow...

    I don't know Rainbow as well as I know Dio, but when Ronnie James was
    singing in Rainbow I was definately a fan...I know that I already like both
    groups (at least the old rainbow stuff) and I would definitely think it way
    cool for the two groups to go on tour...especially if they did a concert
    somewhere Boston local (without car hard to get far) :>

    I would definitely go to the concert...:>

    (did I already say that??! :>)

    | Shawna Lea Adams | Live another day |
    | Muireann MacOisdealblaigh | Climb a little higher |
    | Exchequer of Felding Medieval Society | Find another reason to stay |
    | | Ashes in your hands |
    | | Mercy in your eyes |
    | | If you're searching for a silent |
    | N-Z/sadams1/sadams1.html | sky... |
    | | -Dream Theater "Another Day" |


    Date: Sun, 23 Jun 1996 23:03:14 -0700 (PDT)
    From: Mithrandir <>
    Subject: Power Windows review
    Message-ID: <>

            Howdy boys and girls!!!

          Well I went to see the RUSH cover band Power Windows last night and I
    must say they were great as usual. Here is my point though. The bar at which
    I saw them has a five disc changer that they let play in between sets. Well
    much to my delight they had Awake in the changer. Imagine my surprise when I
    was expecting to hear something like the Rolling Stones when all of the
    sudden I hear "The Mirror". I was making it known that I know the song real
    well when the drummer came up to me and asked if I liked DT. I said Hell
    yes. He told me that he is from N.J. and is a good friend of Mike Portnoy's
    and that he is going to go see PW play in N.Y.C. in the next few weeks. So
    anyway he goes back on stage and starts warming up before the next set, next
    thing I hear is the drum intro to 6:00 and even the keyboardist cut in,
    then the guitarist. Unfortunately the bass player-singer did not know how to
    play the tune. After the show I asked the drummer if they could play it (
    they sometimes will throw in The Immigrant Song). He said they are going to
    rehearse it before Mike sees them so they can surprise him. Just figured
    that was pretty cool.

          Wedge it looks like you should have talked Cat into coming down, you
    missed a whopper of a show!!!

           As Skadz said, if anyone wants to answer my question about the battle
    between a Star Destroyer and the Enterprise, just e-mail me, not the jam.
    Results so far:
    Star Destroyer 7 Enterprise 1
                         Elen sila lumenn omentilmo, Mithrandir


    Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 02:02:32 -0400
    From: (Ernesto Schnack)
    Subject: bye-bye
    Message-ID: <>

    I have a question about Load. I know that Metallica is forbidden in this
    list, but I'm unsuscribing tomorrow so :P

    besides, it has nothing to do w. the music so I don't think Skadz will mind...
    anyways, Load came out on Elektra right? so why does my CD say Vertigo on
    it? and not a sight of Electra anywhere.. Is that the label on which it was
    released in Europe or something? then what's it doing in Panama?!?!?

    yes I am unsubscribing... I'm off to Germany to study sound engineering...
    see you all next time I get net access

    Funky Cold Medina
    Ernie :)


    Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 01:49:19 -0500
    From: (Mathew)
    Subject: dtc.....sort of
    Message-ID: <>

    hi all.
      i just finished listening to sfam, and i just wanted to say, great job mike!

    also, i kinda liked chris c. on acos. is he with a band now? e.t.c.

    later all!



    Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 02:07:24 -0700 (MST)
    From: Michael Bahr <>
    Message-ID: <>

            Are the Jams getting shorter???


            Critical Mass: I'll be checkin' UPS in the morning... I hope I
    got 'em in on time... it's like Christmas every time I have a new project
    coming out.

            METALLICA: THE WRATH OF GOD! I have a date and venue for this AND
    the next CD after it. HEre's the important info.

            IMPORTANT: Can ANYONE on the Jam lend me (I'm willing to rent
    'em) a pair of CORE SOUND MICROPHONES? I bought a relatively decent mic
    for my DAT locally, thinking I could put off the inevitable and buy Cores
    later, and the stupid thing is blown out already. I need to get a set of
    Cores _THIS WEEK_ and I would have them through the first week of August.
    If you can help me with this, there's free CDs, free prizes, and lunch a
    la Bahr in store for ya!! PLEASE HELP ME!!! :) This is totally crucial.
    Call me voice if you need to... use 1-800-collect if you're broke.
    602-777-0501 or 602-730-1295 (the computer line; usually useless). I'll
    pay for you to next-day airmail them to me.

            Here's the final word...

    Metallica "The Wrath of God"
            (possible 2-CD set depending on the setlist)
            Lollapalooza '96, Compton Terrace, Chandler, Arizona (yay!!)
            July 27, 1996
            *** ORDERING WILL OPEN JULY 28, 1996 ***

    Tori Amos "Inside The Storm"
            (likely a single containing all the rare tracks or b-sides played)
            Symphony Hall, Phoenix, Arizona - July 2, 1996
            *** ORDERING WILL OPEN JULY 3, 1996 ***

    Dream Theater "Precious Things"
            (a special single CD with some very rare tracks on it)
            *** ORDERING WILL OPEN IN AUGUST ***

            I hope you all found this information useful. (totally straight
    face... dying of hysterical chuckleotomy inside)...

            Take it easy!!
    - voluntas vincit omnia - Mike Bahr - -


    Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 11:48:22 +0200
    Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1636
    Message-ID: <v02130501adf413fc323e@[]>

    >Date: Thu, 20 Jun 96 18:08 EDT
    >From: (Sledge)
    >Subject: First of all
    >Message-ID: <>
    > <<<<<<< First of all >>>>>>>>
    >THIS IS FOR MAPE.. I don't have to appollagize for shit.. Grinder did the
    >same exact thing.. NOW can we please get back to Dream Theater. .. sheeesszz
    > <<<<<<< Second of all >>>>>>>>
    >DO YOU people OWN this mailing list??? stop telling everyone what to do
    >just because you're some old mature person doesn't mean you can tell every
    >one else what to do.

    such as....S H U T U P !!!!!?

    Jeez, when I think some of you people compared me to this jerk!

    D A V E K I N G
    "If you see a problem where there is none, then the problem is YOU" (dk)
    "holding on is easier than letting go" (fw)


    Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 08:41:52 -0400
    From: Mark Metzger <>
    To: "'(Ytsejam)'" <>
    Subject: New Soundgarden, threads
    Message-ID: <>

    Just a quick post to let anyone who is on the edge for buying the new =
    Soundgarden CD that I would recommend saving your money. This band has =
    always perplexed me. I've always thought that they had the chance to be =
    great in a prog metal sense, and was waiting for them to come through. =
    Their new CD contains many short songs based on few riffs and it didn't =
    impress me at all. If any (US) jammer wants to take this off my hands =
    for $6 postpaid, let me know. =20

    Was it just me, or wasn't it madly ironic when Bafu made a =
    tounge-in-cheek comment about JP's threads at the Boston clinic while =
    wearing a shirt which looked a lot like Calvin Klein tiger-striped =
    underwear ??

    Mark Metzger


    Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 08:34:06 -0700
    From: Adam Barnhart <>
    Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1638
    Message-ID: <>

    >From: BERTAPELLE ADAM RAYE <bertapel@ucsu.Colorado.EDU>

    >Yeah....I was at a DT concert in '92 at the Palace....have a really bad
    >bootleg video of it, too ;-)

    I was at that very show! Quite an impressive show, though not the best I've
    seen them....I saw them at the Troubador about six months before
    then....THAT show was awesome. But they played with Bogus Toms. Bogus
    Toms? Who booked that show?

                    Adam D. Barnhart


    Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 12:46:42 -0400 (EDT)
    From: Pat Daugherty <>
    To: Dream Theater Mailing List <>
    Subject: Tori/Savatage
    Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.960624123517.2505C-100000@bdmserver>

    Does anyone know any US Savatage dates?

    I saw in a local hard rock/metal paper (DC/MD/VA) that SAvatage will be
    at Jaxx in Springfield, VA on July 12. The Savatage home page has no
    dates listed. I would love to see Savatage...

    Did anyone see Crossroads with Tori Amos on VH1? She does 4 songs, Losing
    my Religion (REM), I'm on Fire (Springsteen), Sugar (original), and Over
    the Rainbow (wizard of oz).

    Like Skadz said Tori unplugged tomorrow night at 9pm EST. How much more
    unplugged can she get?

    | Pat Daugherty |
    | "Every breath leaves me one less to my last" --Dream Theater |
    | "That is not an option, Mr. Mulder" --X-Files |
    |The Baltimore Orioles-The team to beat in 1996!!!!!!! | Go DC United! |


    Date: 24 Jun 96 13:48:19 EDT
    From: Dave Fernquist <103362.445@CompuServe.COM>
    To: "" <>
    Subject: Re:D.T./Rainbow Tour
    Message-ID: <960624174818_103362.445_JHL149-1@CompuServe.COM>

    Chris wrote:

    >..... He figures also that a tour would help both bands, by getting each
    other's fans intersted in new
    stuff. So, if there's a strong enough response, he'll approach Ritchie about
    it. What do you guys think?

    Where the hell do I get my tickets!!!!!! I think that this would be a great
    idea as long as both bands got a full set. Rainbow does kick ass (although I
    haven't heard the new CD, which is available as an import only. Anybody know
    who is in the band? I don't believe that Joe Lynn Turner is singing for Ritchie
    this time around).




    Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 16:54:29 -0400 (EDT)
    From: Pat Daugherty <>
    To: Dream Theater Mailing List <>
    Subject: New Marty Friedman
    Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.960624165215.7368A@bdmserver>

    Doesn anybody have the new Marty Friedman cd?

    Cdconnection has it for $28 and it is called True Obsessions.

    | Pat Daugherty |
    | "Every breath leaves me one less to my last" --Dream Theater |
    | "That is not an option, Mr. Mulder" --X-Files |
    |The Baltimore Orioles-The team to beat in 1996!!!!!!! | Go DC United! |


    Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 17:01:53 -0300
    From: The Cow God <>
    To: Valhalla <>
    Subject: All kinds of stuff
    Message-ID: <>

    Yes, it's another brief appearance from the Cow God. Moo. Oh, yeah, again, I
    haven't read any jams but this one since my last post, so please forgive me if
    I fuck up or cause some other disturbance. Oh, and no cow tipping jokes please.
    (Yes, I know you guys. :)

    I saw Jars of Clay in Orlando last Tuesday. Anyone heard of them? They're a
    Christian band, but they have a video. I saw it on the Box... Flood. Mostly
    acoustic guitar oriented band. Pretty cool.

    Oh yeah, I FINALLY got my hands on LiT!!! Hooah! This video kicks ass. I'm
    gonna get me a lifetime supply of that cow-spotted condom... :) I was just
    browsing through a music (as in CDs) store in Fl. and I just happened to
    check out the video section to see if (yeah right) they had LiT... and they
    did! One copy... I was actually considering leaving it so other DT fans could
    experience the same joy I did, but then I said fuck it and bought it. Call me
    selfish... :) Oh, and BTW, in the CD section DT was spelled TheatER.
    Unbelievable. This is some music store folks... Camelot. Support it! :)

    > From: (Andrew Miller)
    > Subject: weird stuff
    > > oh jesus. you are an idiot.
    > >
    > >Supposedly there's a place for all of us in heaven, Andy. Now I'm not
    > >exactly the pope or anything, but this sort of prayer probably isn't the
    > >best way to get there.

    I laughed for a few days about that one... 'Course, you notice there's not
    much chance of EVER getting to use this yourself... That's something I've
    noticed about Bafu's witticisms: (not even gonna bother and try to spell
    it... :) you can never use them later. He had to think of them all on the
    spot cuz most of 'em are comebacks to stuff you just don't hear that often...
    Bafu: how 'bout some usabler (as in more usable) witty comebacks, please? :)

    > >Dan's 10 favorite guitarists whom you must all bow down to:
    > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    > apparently people are still forgetting that top ten lists are a no-no on
    > the jam. oh well.

    Oh, nice, pick ME out to thrash in my absence? :) BTW, I'm sure you later saw
    my apology and now totally regret ever sending that message... Yeah, well, some
    people would... :)


    > From: (Ernesto Schnack)
    > Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1599
    > Ernie went out to buy 'Load' today.
    > but Ernie didn't find it.
    > silly Ernie thought that Panama would be considered 'the rest of the world'
    > but Ernie was wrong.

    The Cow God went out to buy 'Load' today.

    But The Cow God got more than he bargained for.

    The Cow God came home with Metallica 'Load' (some of it is cool but it's NOT
    Metallica!), RatM 'Evil Empire' (Kicks Major Cow! My first RatM CD. RapCore
    is cool!), and a new Sony D-321 Discman. Hehe. Oh and I saw Twister. That
    movie is REALLY cool. Best movie I've seen in a while. If you haven't seen it
    by now (yeah, right) go see it NOW! I know, it's been said before, but hey,
    the experts agree...

    > >Paganini,
    > Hey, I've actually heard that band... was a while back though, don't
    > remember much... unless you're talking about the actual classical composer...

    Yep, that was my vote and I was voting for none other than Nicolo Paganini,
    composer of The 24 Caprices, Perpetual Motion (both of which I can play... wait,
    is that bragging? OK, don't read that last line. :), etc.


    > From: Ben Laussade <>
    > Subject: WoOt!
    > 'Tallica is cool.

    WAS cool, I would say... Well, actually, no, There are a few cool songs on Load,
    but they're not Metallica. Hero of the Day and King Nothing are my favs. King
    Nothing is prob'ly the song that sounds most like I feel Metallica should. Hold on,
    that doesn't say what I want to. MoP is my fav. of their albums, followed by AJfA.
    I like these way more than Load, but King Nothing rocks the most off Load (IMO - whoa,
    I don't think I've ever used that before...). Sorry if the Ytse-fad is not talking
    about Metallica now... i was getting ready to send this message but couldn't then I
    went to Orlando for a week and a half...


    > From:
    > Subject: It Barks, But It Ain't No Dog.
    > Neil G's joke: I thought it was funny. We Americans rip on the government
    > and our leaders all the time, what's the big deal? Q: What do Bill Clinton
    > and flour have in common? A: They're both IN BRED. What, am I a commie now?
    > Lighten up, comrade.

    "If Clinton is the answer, it was a stupid question."

    -The Cow God-


    Daniel McCormack

    "All the dead greenery, sacrificed for you and me I'm the one who cares for them - I'm a Carnatarian" - Chris Merlo (D-Man), Carnatarian, Polio Dog

    "They couldn't hit an elephant at this dist-" - General John Sedgewick, Union Commander in the Civil War, speaking his last words.


    Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 17:11:19 -0300 From: The Cow God <> To: Valhalla <> Subject: Quick... Message-ID: <>

    Oh yeah, just a quick addition: If you want to contact me (like to reply to something I said in a post), please do so personally ( as I am currently not able to read many jams, just a few at random. Skadz, ACOS is not on LiT. I think that's it for now, talk to you all later. Thanks.

    Moo, -The Cow God-


    Daniel McCormack

    "All the dead greenery, sacrificed for you and me I'm the one who cares for them - I'm a Carnatarian" - Chris Merlo (D-Man), Carnatarian, Polio Dog

    "They couldn't hit an elephant at this dist-" - General John Sedgewick, Union Commander in the Civil War, speaking his last words.


    Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 14:35:31 -0700 From: Jim Beavens <> To: Subject: The nature of popular music Message-ID: <>

    Greetings, jammers:

    I am in need of a bit of help, and I thought this might make for some interesting DTC as well, so I'm posting to the 'jam.

    Ponder, for a minute, the question:

    Who defines popular music, and what makes it popular?

    My wife has started going back to school, and this is the subject for an essay she is to write for her writing class.

    Now for the DTC. She remembers me mentioning how there were discussions on here a while back about how Green Day and other bands were making millions of dollars, while true musicians like DT weren't nearly as well known (whether DT's unknown-ness is a good thing or not is better left to another thread).

    So she was thinking of basing her essay on the following question:

    Dream Theater is much better musically than Green Day, but Green Day is the one that is "popular". Why?

    So I was interested in hearing other peoples' comments about this. In addition to opinions (which always seem to be in abundance around here, and of which I have a few of my own =), I'm also interested in factual statements that support the fact that DT is musically superior to GD (ie, how many songs of GD contain just 3 chords, maybe mention what those chords are, about how many time-changes are there in the average DT song, etc).

    I hope this isn't too inappropriate to the list, but I've tried to present this in a non-flame-inducing way (ie, the subject does NOT say, GREEN DAY SUCKS! Of course, that probably means I won't get many responses :p). If you wish to give lengthy opinions that go on many tangents (which are usually the best responses!), then you may just want to send email to me only.

    Anyway, converse amongst yourselves for a while; I'm curious what some of you think.

    Happy 'jamming!


    -- Jim Beavens <> | If I had a witty remark that MD6 Design Engineer, Intel Corp, Hillsboro OR | would better the lives of my -=(UDIC)=- Subconscious Dragon -=(UDIC)=- | fellow mankind, do you really ** I don't speak for Intel ** | think I would put it HERE?


    Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 15:38:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Pat Daugherty <> To: Dream Theater Mailing List <> Subject: Boston Tour canceled Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.960624153556.2505J-100000@bdmserver>

    Bad news.

    The 20th anniversity Boston Tour has been cancelled/suspended.

    Tom Scholz received a hand injury. I am depressed. This was one of the few decent acts coming to Merriweather...

    Hopefully Savatage is coming nearby...

    |-----------------------------------------------------------------------| | Pat Daugherty | |=======================================================================| | "Every breath leaves me one less to my last" --Dream Theater | | "That is not an option, Mr. Mulder" --X-Files | |-----------------------------------------------------------------------| |The Baltimore Orioles-The team to beat in 1996!!!!!!! | Go DC United! | |-----------------------------------------------------------------------|


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