YTSEJAM digest 1642

Date: Tue Jun 25 1996 - 06:50:42 EDT

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    Today's Topics:

      1) Hey Buster ! :)
     by Mark Bredius <>
      2) Just a thought...
     by Mark Bredius <>
      3) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1641
      4) Agh. I like 'em PURE.
     by Ben Laussade <>
      5) La Di Da ....
     by "Ryan P. Skadberg" <>
      6) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1638
     by Brett Sexton <>
      7) DT/Rainbow Tour
      8) Power Windows shows....
      9) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1641
     by (Scott Cook)
     10) Re: All kinds of stuff
     by (Chambers)
     11) Live in Tokyo(in Canada?)
     by "John Fewer" <>
     12) DT/Rainbow tour
     by "Ollila Marko" <>
     13) Green Day/DT
     by The Digital Man <>
     14) Re: The nature of popular music
     by (Elliott Kim)
     15) just asKING
     16) popular music (little DTC!) :)
     by Bernd Basmer <>


    Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 00:31:24 +-200
    From: Mark Bredius <>
    To: "'Majesty-Mailinglist'" <>
    Subject: Hey Buster ! :)
    Message-ID: <>

    > Hey Mark

    The name is Itchy, ok ? :) heheh :)

    > If someone openly posts their opinion of Dream Theaters talent in
    > here, and let's suppose it's not exactly a compliment, don't you think
    > that a fan like myself should be able to openly post in DT's defense?

    It's a black day in Ytsejam history if you have to defend DT against
    their own fans, isn't it ? :)

    > I am learning better etiquette on here, so don't draw it out and make
    > it look like all I do is flame please.

    Learning better etiquette on here ? I don't think *this* is really the
    place for *that*. I didn't mean to make it seem like all you do is
    flame. I'm just getting fed up with people calling eachother names and
    your post just happened to be the one I quoted.. Nothing personal.. :(

    > I post plenty of positive things also, but those posts are almost
    > never quoted....sometimes it seems like it's only when you slip and
    > say something stupid around here that anyone bothers to acknowledge a
    > post.

    I hear Ya. It seems the 'real content' tends to get lost within all the
    flames. I just wished people wouldn't resort to name-calling, and just
    put more thought into the way they wrote their posts. Just RE-READ
    what you're about to send in, and if it seems like you might OFFEND
    *ANYONE*... either DON'T POST it, or RE-WRITE it... Of course their
    will always be people who DON'T do this... Something about a chain
    being as strong as it's weakest link, I guess... and there are a lot of
    weak links on this list, unfortunately. Hope I'm not one of them... :<

    So, Buster, sorry if I offended you... I just used your letter as an
    example to prove my point. I could have picked a zillion other quotes,
    but I already deleted all the 'good stuff' from earlier digests...

    I could have taken this to private mail too, but seeing as Buster
    *publically* took offence by my post, I feel I also have to *publically*
    apologize to him... Ok Buster ? ;)

    All of us here LOVE Dream Theater (I hope), so we *should* be able to
    (at least) get along. Minor disagreements are ok, but name-calling, to
    me, is a big "NO NO"... Does anyone think otherwise ? I'd love to know.

     ()___() When you say I've got a problem that's a certainty. (__(q` )
     (q(")p) But I put it all right down to eccentricity. ~_) | \
    __] ^ [__________________________________________________________\_/_( )
    Itchy (NOT Bitchy), - Mark Bredius,
     "I have a new philosophy. I'm only going to dread one day at a time."


    Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 00:37:19 +-200
    From: Mark Bredius <>
    To: "'Majesty-Mailinglist'" <>
    Subject: Just a thought...
    Message-ID: <>

    I know top-10 lists are out of the question here (and they should be),
    but I just had a thought that might make this a better place. What if
    we tried our best to come up with a top-3 of possible DT-related threads
    to explore. Just take out your DT collection and read all the lyrics,
    or listen to every bit of DT music you own and try to find something
    interesting or funny to talk about. Let me know if this is a stupid
    idea... But please don't flame me for it... just read the subject...

    There's a Marillion song out there that sounds like it could be about a
    serial killer, but it isn't. Some 'Freaks' are still convinced it is.
    For fun, someone on the Marillion list posted a letter about how some
    of their other songs could be about serial killers. It turned into a
    little thread. It was very funny... stupid, but funny... Maybe this all
    sounds a bit childish, but at least it had *some* content. It made
    people think about the lyrics and find some other interpretations.

    'They' (me included) always seem to be able to find something on-topic,
    even when things are getting kinda slow. Just post some nice stories,
    lyrical interpretations... anything on-topic... That would be really
    cool, wouldn't it ?

    This letter didn't contain any DTC either... So I'm just as bad :(
    Oh well...
     ()___() When you list all the qualities that you despise (__(q` )
     (q(")p) And you realise... You're describing yourself ~_) | \
    __] ^ [__________________________________________________________\_/_( )
    Itchy (NOT Bitchy), - Mark Bredius,
       "You are only young once, but you can stay immature indefinitely."


    Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 19:43:02 -0400
    Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1641
    Message-ID: <>

    quoth Pat Daugherty:

    << I saw in a local hard rock/metal paper (DC/MD/VA) that SAvatage will be
     at Jaxx in Springfield, VA on July 12. The Savatage home page has no
     dates listed. I would love to see Savatage... >>

    Don't get your hopes up - according to the 'tage folder here, that show has
    been cancelled. :( Which sucks, because I'd been thinking about taking a
    bus up for the show. Guess I'll have to settle for Tori at Wolftrap in
    (near?) Reston, VA on August 16th. :D If anyone else is going, let me
    know; I'd be glad to meet up with you. ;)

    Jaime the exasperating Dragon :)


    Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 17:07:53 -0700
    From: Ben Laussade <>
    Subject: Agh. I like 'em PURE.
    Message-ID: <>

    >>..... He figures also that a tour would help both bands, by getting each
    >other's fans intersted in new
    >stuff. So, if there's a strong enough response, he'll approach Ritchie about
    >it. What do you guys think?

    Pleeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaseeee don't let this happen, guys. If I want to see
    DT, that means I want to see D freaking T. Not DT and a guy that used to be
    in Deep Purple. Kay? Thanks.

    >Doesn anybody have the new Marty Friedman cd?
    >Cdconnection has it for $28 and it is called True Obsessions.

    Is this another Yanni one (not that that's bad) or is it a different style?

    So...anybody played Quake? That game kicks serious ass. Especially the
    flying worm and the guy who jumps real high, has dentures in place of a face
    and hooks for arms.

            Better part...put a CD in your CDROM drive while playing. The game
    will pick random tracks for each new level. Very cool. Except for the first
    time, when I happened to have DMB in there...doesn't work too well. A quick
    switch to Vulgar Display of Power did the trick, though. I'm thinking
    "Symbolic" would be another good one.

    >Dream Theater is much better musically than Green Day, but Green
    > Day is the one that is "popular". Why?

    Dream Theater are better technical musicians than Green Day, and there is no
    way to judge what music is better than the other. It's ALL A MATTER OF
    PERSONAL TASTE. I've noticed that only intelligent people like Dream
    Theater. As you may know from personal experience, the same is not true
    with Green Day fans. :-)

    And I listen openly....
    What you see is human.
    Ben Laussade


    Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 20:10:48 -0400 (EDT)
    From: "Ryan P. Skadberg" <>
    Subject: La Di Da ....
    Message-ID: <>

    Hey all ....

            It me, again. (Waits for collective groan to end ;) Replies
    and more. First the replies:

    Shawna Lea Adams wrote:

    > especially if they did a concert
    > somewhere Boston local (without car hard to get far) :>

    Well, they'll probably play Berklee as they did last tour for
    obvious reasons. And since the theater at Berklee is about
    100 yards from the Mass Ave T stop, I'd say that's pretty damn
    accesible :)

    Now, what I don't understand is how there is a female Boston jammer
    and we didn't meet her at the Clinic last week :( Not only that,
    but her homepage says she's addicted to IRC and as far as I know,
    she hasn't been on the dt server yet. :(

    Mithrandir said:

    > He said they are going to
    > rehearse it before Mike sees them so they can surprise him. Just figured
    > that was pretty cool.

    Well, you better hope that the rumor that Mike is on the jam is false
    or else you just killed the suprise :P Oh yeah, and keep me informed
    as to when that show is. I need a vacation :)

    > As Skadz said, if anyone wants to answer my question about the battle
    > between a Star Destroyer and the Enterprise, just e-mail me, not the jam.

    thankyouverymuch :)

    Mike Bahr wrote:

    > Are the Jams getting shorter???

    I was wondering what happened there myself :)

    The Cow God wrote:

    > Skadz, ACOS is not on LiT.

    I never said it was :)

    Jim Beavens wrote a long piece about his wife's essay. I will say this only
    once, its fine to POST about it, but I will watch for it to get out of control.
    I would love to hear some concrete answers to this question because
    it defiantely is an interesting topic IF discussed in the right way.
    So, basically what I am saying is what I have been saying for the last
    few days, THINK BEFORE you post.

    Now for the more STUPH part......

            I finally retrieved my Carpe Diem from my office today AND my
    SFAM came today. Well, I am listening to Carpe Diem now and its
    real nice. Its a bit bass heavy at times and Marcel was right about
    the annoying people in the crowd, but overall it is definately
    a great CD. The booklet is amazing too. Also, I loved the Record
    Company Name :)

            As for SFAM, I haven't given it a good listen yet, because they
    don't let me blast music like I like while at work :) What I have listened
    to sounds awesome. And as usual, its a Mike Bahr production and it
    just has to be good :)

    Thanks to Marcel and Mike.

    Back to the Never Ending Mailbox :)


    | Ryan P Skadberg                          |
    | s y s t e m . a d m i n i s t r a t o r / w e b . d e v e l o p  e r  |
    | |
    \    "And every prayer we pray at night has somehow lost its meaning"   /
     \                "Dead Winter Dead"  - Savatage                       /


    Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 17:34:11 -0700 From: Brett Sexton <> To: Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1638 Message-ID: <>

    > On Fri, 21 Jun 1996, John Mastin wrote: > > > Hey, hey.. > > > > Thursday night, a few friends and I were at place called The Palace in > > Hollywood. As we were leaving, some guy outside was wearing an Awake > > shirt. I didn't have a chance to ask him about it. Who knows, maybe he's > > a Jammer.... :D > > > Yeah....I was at a DT concert in '92 at the Palace....have a really bad > bootleg video of it, too ;-) >

    I was there too. Killer show. Their opening band that night was a local San Diego, Ca band called Psychotic Waltz. I highly recommend anyone on Ytsejam to check these guys out.


    Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 21:24:01 -0400 From: To: Subject: DT/Rainbow Tour Message-ID: <>

    Ummmm............. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, and........... yes. Petrucci and Blackmore jamming on the same stage. And hearing "No Release", "I Surrender", and "Power" during the same show as "Learning To Live", "Pull Me Under", and "Lie".... Yeah, I think I'd pay for that. Geez, does that mean Ritchie's got Joe Lynn back singing? Damn that would be fine.


    Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 21:36:20 -0400 From: To: Subject: Power Windows shows.... Message-ID: <>

    To anyone who might know..... I live in Florida but I'm headed up north on vacation the beginning of July and should be in Jersey/NYC for a few days the weekend of July 13th. Anyone know if Power Windows, the Rush tribute band, is going to be playing any dates then? I love Rush and would love to check these guys out. 'Specially if the drummer knows Portnoy and he might even be at a show..... Thanks.


    Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 18:59:12 -0700 From: (Scott Cook) To: Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1641 Message-ID: <>

    > From: > Subject: It Barks, But It Ain't No Dog. > > Neil G's joke: I thought it was funny. We Americans rip on the government and our leaders all the time, what's the big deal? Q: What do Bill Clinton and flour have in common? A: They're both IN BRED. What, am I a commie now? Lighten up, comrade.

    The problem is that Neil is NOT an American. I the time I wrote my flame I did not know that he was British, so I humbly apologize for the Hitler remark.

    I rip on America all the time, but this is my country. Kind of like, I can talk shit about my family, but know when else better; that's about the best way I can explain it.

    England has a lot of problems too, but I let them handle it themsleves, and maybe Neil should do the same thing.



    Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 22:24:08 -0400 From: (Chambers) To: Subject: Re: All kinds of stuff Message-ID: <>

    >I saw Jars of Clay in Orlando last Tuesday. Anyone heard of them? They're >a Christian band, but they have a video. I saw it on the Box... Flood. >Mostly acoustic guitar oriented band. Pretty cool.

    I have the CD...Its cool. A couple of the songs were produced by Adrian Belew, one of the guys from King Crimson I believe.

    ******************************************************************************** Chambers

    "Hope is epidemic, optimism spreads, bitterness breeds irritation, ignorance breeds imitation" --Rush ********************************************************************************


    Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 00:13:46 -0230 From: "John Fewer" <> To: <> Subject: Live in Tokyo(in Canada?) Message-ID: <>

    Where can I get my hands on this video(LIT) in Canada? Can someone E-mail me (private please)with a phone# or address I can order this from(i.e. Sam the Record Man etc.)...Reputable store/Dealer please! -- John Fewer


    Date: 25 Jun 96 08:10:38 +0200 From: "Ollila Marko" <> To: Subject: DT/Rainbow tour Message-ID: <>

    Hello 'jamanoids!

    As for the Dream Theater/Rainbow tour, I'd say hell yes! These bands compliment each other just fine, Rainbow being catchy and sometimes poppy despite Blackmores virtuosity and DT, well, we all know how they are. However, I doubt that Blackmore would ever settle for warm-up band's status. Would DT? Somehow I don't think that's possible either.

    For the one who asked who's the vocalist in Rainbow nowadays, the answer is Doogie White. If anyone's interested who the rest are, I'll post the answer later, I don't have the CD on me right now. Anyway, if you haven't heard the latest disc "Stranger in us All", get it if you've liked Rainbow before. The names in the band are not the same as before, but the music is.

    If this tour ever happens maybe I'll get a chance to obtain the tickets in time. My gf still grits her teeth because of the last time I skipped Rainbow tix...


    "............." - Harpo Marx -


    Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 03:15:49 -0400 (EDT) From: The Digital Man <> To: Ytse Jam <> Subject: Green Day/DT Message-ID: <>

    Jim Beavens asked the question about what is pop music and who defiens it as such. Fair question, I thought. The part I had trouble with was stating that "DT is better than Green Day." I like DT more. I think they write better songs, that mean more to me. But that doesn't make them better. I think Green Day is a lot better at letting it rip and having fun than DT is. I don't go see DT to hop around and sing along with the happy little harmonies. And I don't listen to Green Day for the fucked up chord progressions and introspective lyrics. Everything has its place, I think.

    That being said, onto the main topic at hand. Who defines popular music. As far as I can tell, radio and MTV decide to play stuff for whatever reason. There's some sort of fucked up focus group studying going on out there that has completely passed most of us by. In any event, if the kids call MTV and the radio stations enough, saying they want to hear this stuff, then it becomes "popular." I doubt that record sales have anything to do with it -- look at Rush. I read somewhere that something like every album except Caress is platinum, and that one's gold or something. It's just a matter of what the powers that be at MTV and the radio stations can most successfully market.

    This, of course, was all in my humble opinion. (Disclaimer for the IMO-impaired.)

    ------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Digital Man \|/ ____ \|/ Secretary "@'/ ,. \`@" UVM Comp Sci Student Assn /_| \__/ |_\ "He won't need a bed \__U_/ He's a digital man" - Peart


    Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 05:15:04 -0400 From: (Elliott Kim) To: The Ytsejam <> Subject: Re: The nature of popular music Message-ID: <>

    Ooh, this topic was too ripe. I couldn't resist!

    Why is Green Day more popular than Dream Theater? Who gives a fuck? I do to a certain extent. :) Yeah, it's sad. I have met people that have told me that Billy Joe is a better guitar player than John Petrucci because Green Day sells more albums than Dream Theater. But that is just that particular person's limited thinking...

    It is obvious that DT knows more about music theory and has more at their disposal when writing music. Green Day uses what they know to the best of their abilities, as does DT. DT just has more tools in the toolbox than Green Day does while both bands have the same raw materials - feeling and inspiration. What each band does with the raw materials and the outcome is determined by what "tools" they have at their disposal, and how they employ them. Dream Theater has a warehouse of tools at their disposal. Green Day has a slot-head screwdriver, a hammer and some pliers. Both bands do their best with what they've got.

    Who are you to decide that a particular band sucks? Are you the last word on such matters? I do not particularly like Green Day personally. I won't ever say a particular band sucks; a band can and will suck at pleasing me - two totally different things.

    +------------+-----------------+--------------------------------------+ |Elliott Kim | | | +------------+-----------------+--------------------------------------+ | It'd be wierd without beer... | +---------------------------------------------------------------------+


    Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 11:16:58 +0200 From: To: Subject: just asKING Message-ID: <v02130500adf55b349cac@[]>


    Sorry but are Alice Cooper and Scorpions DT-related bands? Are they new bands just signed on Magna Carta?

    OK, just forget it.

    Was just trying to desperately throw in some other nonsense than flame-wars.

    DTC1: What's the song "don't look past me" that singers had to audition on when Dominici left? Is that DT material? Sounds quite

    DTC2: Got the JM bass video yesterday. It's stuffed with a whole load of annoying-looking exercices, but they're really useful. Starts with major/minor/fundamental 7th progressions, then moves onto the diminished 7th exercices. Then you have some warm-up exercices, building scales from different modes, right-finger technique on pentatonic scales. The most interesting part is when JM shows the use of harmonics (LSoaD), chords (Scarred) and tapping (Metropolis; it's not that difficult as its sounds). There's also an instrumental "Solar Groove" where he combines all the above techniques. The video ends with a jam with MP and DS (jeez I never saw MP soooo contained!!). The vid comes with a neat booklet with transcriptions to all the exercices (except the jam), with tablature!!! Cool stuff. The vid is NTSC w/ japanese subtitles. JM obviously speaks english.


    ........................................................................ D A V E K I N G "If you see a problem where there is none, then the problem is YOU" (dk) "holding on is easier than letting go" (fw)


    Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 12:47:04 +0200 From: Bernd Basmer <> To: Subject: popular music (little DTC!) :) Message-ID: <>


    >From: Jim Beavens <> >Ponder, for a minute, the question: > Who defines popular music, and what makes it popular?

    There are two words for you: record companies. THEY make trends, THEY tell people what they WANT to hear and even if you don't want to hear it, THEY let it play at the radio stations until people like it. It's all just business and if they see that they can make money with something, THEY push it to the limit and higher. The worst thing about this is, that bands who are REALLY good are not recognized by them because in their eyes are only $-signs. That's the reason, why bands like DT are not pushed that much. They don't fit to the masses. The masses want to hear flowing, simple music so they can dance or bang or do something else to it. Ok, DT are quite a big band (not too big but in a status where you can live from your music) but they could be MUCH bigger if someone at the companies would take a look at what they CAN play. I'll give you another example, even though it comes from another type of music: You maybe know the 'band' Take That. When they decided to split, some management just took some good looking guys (they couldn't hardly sing!), teached them half a year how to act and how to look and let them do their things to the masses. The companies build the bands they WANT to, they don't even look if there is a band already existing. I know about a company who just called our manager, and asked if he had some guys who can play punk. The music was already written, the contracts already finished, and all was built up so they could come and just put their signatures under the contracts. Naturally you are not free to do the things you WANT to do if you sign a contract like this. But you will be pushed and that's what many people want. The music itself is not of interest of them. Only the money. So that's what I can tell you about popular music.




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