YTSEJAM digest 1644

Date: Tue Jun 25 1996 - 19:22:17 EDT

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    Today's Topics:

      1) Rainbow and DT
     by (Scott Cook)
      2) The Open Question
     by Shawna Lea Adams <SADAMS1@WELLESLEY.EDU>
      3) Marty Friedman / true obsessions
     by Nathan Bradley~ <>
      4) James Live
     by zebrowski steven <>
      5) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1641
     by Jon Byrne <>
      6) Mikko?
      7) Re: Jars of Clay
     by Walter S Semerenko <>
      8) Please Read!!!!
     by Scott Luttringer <>
      9) SFAM
     by (Jon Kretschmer)
     10) Phenylketonurics? Phenylalanine!
     by (Kevin Madden)
     11) Who defines music?
     by Pat Sullivan <>
     by Pat Sullivan <>
     13) Invading the South!!!
     by (Elliott Kim)
     14) Green Day revisited again
     by The Digital Man <>


    Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 11:37:27 -0700
    From: (Scott Cook)
    Subject: Rainbow and DT
    Message-ID: <>

    Hey all!
    in Jam 1642 was this little ditty:

    Petrucci and Blackmore jamming on the same stage. And hearing "No
    Release", "I Surrender", and "Power" during the same show as "Learning
    To Live", "Pull Me Under", and "Lie".... Yeah, I think I'd pay for
    that. Geez, does that mean Ritchie's got Joe Lynn back singing? Damn
    that would be fine.

    Well, when I was in Paris I picked up a CD single with three songs from
    the new CD, It doesn't list the people in the band but I'm happy to
    announce that Joe Lynn Turner is NOT on teh new album. That *&#$@$
    pretty boy ruined Rainbow for me. That's not to say there wasn't some
    great stuff from the Turner era, just that the stuff with Dio and the
    one LP with Bonnet were much better. Those guys main focus was on the
    music not on how they looked.

    DT and Rainbow on the same bill? I don't think it would work. You would
    run into the same problem that would arise with a DT/Rush tour. DT
    would have to be relegated to opener status, which would give them :60,
    and that's not enough time. Besides I don't want to see Rainbow without
    either Dio or Bonnet on vox. Preferably Dio. That's my opinion and I'm
    sticking to it :)



    Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 14:58:55 -0500 (EST)
    From: Shawna Lea Adams <SADAMS1@WELLESLEY.EDU>
    Subject: The Open Question

    I figured that I was willing to listen to anything once. And there is only
    one reason to listen to it...

    I will relisten to something only if it is good music. *grin*
    Usually what I consider to be good music will have meaning or taste...but
    depending on my mood, maybe not. Lyrical content is important to me...but
    that is mostly cause I can't play guitar worth shoe scrapings.

    | Shawna Lea Adams | Live another day |
    | Muireann MacOisdealblaigh | Climb a little higher |
    | Exchequer of Felding Medieval Society | Find another reason to stay |
    | | Ashes in your hands |
    | | Mercy in your eyes |
    | | If you're searching for a silent |
    | N-Z/sadams1/sadams1.html | sky... |
    | | -Dream Theater "Another Day" |


    Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 12:41:49 -0700 (MST)
    From: Nathan Bradley~ <>
    Subject: Marty Friedman / true obsessions
    Message-ID: <>

    After I saw the posts about Marty's new CD yesterday, I ran out for a CD
    run... I happened to find "True Obsessions" as well as King's Ear Candy,
    Crimson Glory Strange & Beautiful and afew others.
    (BTW: does any one have a review of Sun Red Sun yet? )

    Marty Friedman - True Obessions

    Without a doubt this *is* Marty Friedman material!!!
    Below is a track listing and my first impressions of each track.
    I found this as a Japanese import so I paid $35 for it. I am not sure when it
    is slated for a US release.

    On this releas Marty incorporates passages simular in stlye to his previous
    work in Scenes, Introduction and Dragon's Kiss/Cacophony. If I remember
    correctly, it was Marty himself who said. "In the first three tracks, there is
    twice as much guitar as my previous two albums." I agree.

    It is a good blend of Marty Material!!!

    Track Listing
    and first impression comments

    1). Rock Box (2:36)
    The good ole days. Melodic guitar work, med-fast tempo.
    Definately a top song on the Cd.

    2). Espionage (4:30)
    Heavier Melodic guitar, some slower passages.
    Definately a top song on the Cd.

    3). Last September (4:21) (Vocals: Stanley Rose)
    Vocals are not bad. Ballad. Occasional soaring solo.

    4). Intoxicated (5:53)
    Scenes(ish) -> Bluesy -> builds to Melodic Rock -> Scenes(ish)->....
    Good song.

    5). Shine On Me (3:53) (Vocals: Stanley Rose)

    6). Hands Of Time (4:10) (Vocals: Jesse Bradman)
    Lryics and messages Bon Jovi(ish). (the "Please give one more chance" theme)

    7). Rio (4:31)
    Introduction(ish) -> heavy guitar -> Intro(ish)->...

    8). Live and Learn (4:03) (Vocals: Stanley Rose)
    Heavy Intro -> Melodic ... a few good but short solos.

    9). Glowing Path (6:31)
    Intro(ish) -> Slow Melodic -> Builds Up -> Melodic -> ....
    One of the top songs on the CD.

    10). The Yearning (3:45)
    Heavy -> slows -> re-builds -> maintains -> melodic....

    11). Farewell (5:26)
    Orchestra intro ... good melody and flow ...
    Perhaps the best song on the CD.



    Nathan Bradley


    Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 15:49:11 -0400 (EDT) From: zebrowski steven <> To: Subject: James Live Message-ID: <>

    Yes, James does have trouble with the high notes SOMETIMES. I've seen him on a great night, a good night, and OK night and a bad night. Where he runs into trouble is when he does that awful raspy voice all the time. I like that voice when used in moderation, but he seems to use it all the time. If he stops doing that his voice will last forever. Even Pavarotti gets tired, but he may sing 1 to 5 high C's a night--James is singing 20. One must also take into account the absolutely singer-unfriendly evironment of the club stage. Rock singers on the Jam: back me up on this!

    Steve Z


    Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 16:31:25 -0400 From: Jon Byrne <> To: Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1641 Message-ID: <>

    At 07:07 PM 6/24/96 -0700, you wrote: >> Neil G's joke: I thought it was funny. We Americans rip on the >government and our leaders all the time, what's the big deal? Q: What >do Bill Clinton and flour have in common? A: They're both IN BRED.

    What do you get when you cross a crooked politician and a corupt lawyer?

    Chelsea Clinton.

    :) :) :) :) :)

    Jonathan Byrne West Virginia University College of Law ----------------------------------------------------------------- "Any major dude with half a heart Surely would tell you my friend, Any minor world that breaks apart Falls together again." -"Any Major Dude", Steely Dan


    Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 16:45:38 -0400 From: To: Subject: Mikko? Message-ID: <>

    Will Mikko Kalermo (hegge on IRC) Please e-mail me? I've been sending mails to your address, and haven't gotten any response. I am leaving soon and don't want to rip you off. If anyone sees hegge on IRC, say, "You should e-mail DreamNDay" or something. Thanx a bunch.



    Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 16:49:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Walter S Semerenko <> To: Multiple recipients of list <> Subject: Re: Jars of Clay Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.93.960625163138.26363A-100000@Pegasus>

    > > I saw Jars of Clay in Orlando last Tuesday. Anyone heard of them? They're a

    Yes, I saw them open up for Micheal W. Smith several months ago. Their sound was weak, but I heard that they improved their sound while touring in the clubs. I like them, though I think they lean more on the alternative side (like REM).

    Fleming and John opened up for them and they are pretty good, too.

    > > Christian band, but they have a video. I saw it on the Box... Flood. Mostly > > acoustic guitar oriented band. Pretty cool.

    Definately one of the more original bands in the christian (tm.) music industry.

    > Yeah, I've heard of 'em. Flood was playing on the radio one evening when I was > riding around in my friend's car. The only reason I remember them at all is > that Flood sounds strikingly similar to Even the Waves. I was really confused > there for bit trying to figure out why a Top-40 station would be playing > something from Kevin Moore's demo tape. If the rest of their stuff sounds like > Flood, I just might have to check 'em out.

    Flood is getting heavy airplay here, which is cool because its good to hear something refreshing on the radio. I read a rumor on r.m.p that JOC will open up for King Crimson. Now, if radio station could take notice this, maybe some prog will break out on the radio waves...that would be really cool.

    BTW, you can find JOC on BMG.



    Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 13:57:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Scott Luttringer <> To: YTSE JAM DIGEST <> Subject: Please Read!!!! Message-ID: <>

    Hi All:

    Seeing as we are all music freaks here, I was hoping that I could ask a little favor of you all. Just take about two seconds to answer these questions:

    1) How many CD's do you own?

    2) How many hours of music do you listen to per day?

    Thanks. I need this info for a statistics assignment. Please mail all responses to NOT the JAM! I'm looking forward to hearing your responses, and thanks again.


    -/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/- Scott Luttringer

    "For the first time in a long time...everything was right in my world...and then I woke up." Dream Theater "A Fortune In Lies"



    Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 14:03:39 +0800 From: (Jon Kretschmer) To: Subject: SFAM Message-ID: <v01510102adf530ff19d4@[]>

    If you havent gotten a copy, you owe it to yourself, simply for the recording of ACOS. I dont think the liner notes are true at all about "a case of TOO MUCH." I think he sings it JUST as well as James. Different style, and maybe a little less then was is warrented, but just as competent.

    Seriously, the disk is a REALLY good deal, and olivers ttwist took me a little time to figure out, but I really like the transition. Im sort of disappointed that there arent any lyrics though. Not to worry, still a GREAT arrangement.

    Also, the CIAW is GREAT!!! Its always good to hear different arrangements from the gods...

    Mandatory plug for AQ too. : )

    Also, if you havent gotten the Superior :Behind disk, you owe it to yourself to get that one too.

    Later all.



    Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 22:09:45 GMT From: (Kevin Madden) To: Subject: Phenylketonurics? Phenylalanine! Message-ID: <>

    Hello from the mid-Atlantic hell-hole that is Maryland in the Summer. 1. Rainbow Sure. Let's see how Ritchie likes opening for a bunch of Johnny-come-lately

    Yanks on a club tour. I would like to see it, but egos are probably going to be a problem scheduling this one. And not on the part of DT. But, who knows? Maybe a leopard can change his stripes. Or a tiger his spots ;-) 2. Savatage The show in Virginia is not cancelled, only postponed until after the Japan

    tour. This is from some guys who were supposed to open for them at Jaxx. Jamie, I wonder about your signature. It read "Jamie the exasperating Dragon" Is that what you meant to say? You are exasperating? Or are you exasperated

    because Savatage isn't coming? Just curious. 3. Mike Bahr and his merry band of bootleggers. (oops, bad word.) Aren't we getting a bit bold to announce "projects" that haven't even been recorded yet? What of something comes up .ie no mikes? Or maybe you lose your ticket :-) Balls, my son. Balls. 4. New purchases Slayer - Undisputed Attitude Fast. Energetic. Short. Enjoyable. Down - Nola Anselmo not screaming as if someone is pulling a football out of his ass. Good COC-like riffs. Better than The....Great.....Southern....Trendkill....which will soon be on sale at the dollar store. (Took me awhile to decipher that chant/ scream) I'm pissed he doesn't sing anymore. But, *hey* no one writes music for us, the fans....right Metallica? (Oops, forbidden topic alert.) Do what you want! Carcass - Swansong Strange. Death vocals. Megadethish instrumentation. Cheesy lyrics. Imagine someone singing "twinkle twinkle little star" with death vocals and Megadeth as the backing band, and you'll get the idea. Not as good as Heartwork, but not a total waste of cash. Kinda catchy. ? 5. No more Thank goodness for Chef Boyardee! -- Kevin ( GO PACKERS...GO WINGS!!!


    Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 18:32:30 -0400 From: Pat Sullivan <> To: Subject: Who defines music? Message-ID: <>

    >It's all about skill, >and I'm sure almost all of us (including myself) love DT for their talents.

    I agree there, but more, I wanted to expound more on the question of who defines popular music:

    The way I see it, there's a chunk of the population that I'll call "The Listening Public". These are the people who buy CD's and tapes and go to concerts and buy all other sorts of memorabilia. There's a small subgroup of that population that "listens" to music rather than just "hearing" it. these are generally the people like us, that tend to favor more complex music. Oddly enough, this generally parallels the music industry where there are few "complex" bands that enjoy widespread corporate support.

    The reason for this is money: The record companies are out to make as much as possible (that being the main purpose for being in *ANY* business :)). It would be reckless for a company to target itself toward such a small percentage of the market (no matter how many e-mail writing campaigns they come up with :)). There is simply more money to be made by feeding the needs of the mainstream (even if the mainstream is currently "alternative").

    The record companies do not control popular music, although we in the minority tend to use them as a punching bag to vent our anger on. They simply make sound business decisions in supplying what the majority want. That's also why Dream Theater will never become wildly successful as long as they continue to make this kind of music. Look at Metallica. Whether you think their musical direction change was good or not, there is no question that they did not become commercially successful until they started recording songs that the "median" music fan could relate to (TBA).

    ________Pat Sullivan__________________________________ E-mail: WWW: IRC: DDictator Aliens: 3rd rock from Sol (the blue one)


    Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 18:42:41 -0400 From: Pat Sullivan <> To: Message-ID: <>

    >I agree with Bernd that record companies, not the public, >decide what we get to hear. Stuff like FW, GC, SG, and DT are >actually accidents because they don't see the dollar signs there.

    I don't think that's true. You could have EastWest spend a fortune on the next DT album, get totally behind it and blitz it in every possible medium, and DT will still not become "the next big thing". Why? Because the majority of the listening public still won't "get it". The market system we have determines that what the public wants, they get. If the majority of the public wanted to hear music like DT, you can bet they would.

    ________Pat Sullivan__________________________________ E-mail: WWW: IRC: DDictator Aliens: 3rd rock from Sol (the blue one)


    Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 17:04:11 -0400 From: (Elliott Kim) To: The Ytsejam <> Subject: Invading the South!!! Message-ID: <>

    I'm also on the Lynyrd Skynyrd list.. I made an innocent little query about DT. Several people have e-mailed me telling me that they're into DT, or are interested. :)

    In other news, I: -wrecked my parents car, they're leasing it -almost got in a fight at a bar w/ a guy twice my size -almost decided not to be friends w/ one of my best friends -got a sudden urge to listen to SDV on repeat -sold a bunch of stuff to get money -still unemployed

    All this shit happened on Saturday. So if you think your life sucks now, then fuck off! ;)

    +------------+-----------------+--------------------------------------+ |Elliott Kim | | | +------------+-----------------+--------------------------------------+ | It'd be wierd without beer... | +---------------------------------------------------------------------+


    Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 19:09:54 -0400 (EDT) From: The Digital Man <> To: Ytse Jam <> Subject: Green Day revisited again Message-ID: <>

    > From: "Frank Benenati" <> > Subject: Green Day > > On Tue, 25 Jun 1996 The Digital Man wrote: > > stating that "DT is better than Green Day." I like DT more. I think > > they write better songs, that mean more to me. But that doesn't make > > them better. > uhhh it, Dig!! > > > I think Green Day is a lot better at letting it rip and > > having fun than DT is. > forgive the anger here...(everyone) but the topic of simple, singular > brained, crap music compared with something like Dream Theater is enough > to really peave me. basically, what you are saying is this...DT doesn't > know how to enjoy making music like Green Day does...(you said, dirrectly > above...."a lot better at letting it rip.....having fun than dt is.")

    Wrong. What I said is that Green Day looks like they're having more fun on stage. Of course DT are having fun - they (hopefully) wouldn't be doing it otherwise. But Green Day just runs around and goes sick. I like that in them. I don't see that in DT.

    > This is discraceful...and for some reason, up until now, I thought I > wouldn't see it anymore from Dig....

    See what? That I like Green Day?

    Hey, everyone! I like Green Day!!!

    > I seriously doubt that the members of Dream Theater hate what they're > doing...and I'd be willing to bet that they really do have fun doing > it....

    I agree.

    > Can I ask an open question people listen to things because > they're looking for something specific???....or just to listen to good > music....I don't say to myself, I want something green dayish to listen > to....I just pick good music to listen to....

    I always listen to what I consider good music. But sometimes, I'm in a (fill-in-the-blank) mood, and that's what I listen to. Sometimes it's a mosh mood, sometimes a study/sleep mood, sometimes a... well, I won't share that. :) But I don't usually just pick something at random to listen to.

    > Green Day = Garbage > Dream theater = Your CD player....

    I thought we'd had it out with that thread already.

    > Look...Green Day has been a sensation for what...2 years??? maybe 3...I > dunno.... > what are they doing you know..?????

    No, I don't. I also don't know what Dream Theater are doing now, except that Mike's in Australia and Derek's in California. It also doesn't matter to me that they're a sensation (or not).

    > > That being said, onto the main topic at hand. Who defines popular > > music. As far as I can tell, radio and MTV decide to play stuff for > > whatever reason. > > > I doubt that record > > sales have anything to do with it -- look at Rush. > > I love Rush...dont get me wrong....but using them as the common > denominator for everything that is good is a little bit of a stretch > here.....Yes, Rush sells records.....How many more did Hootie and the > blowfish sell....or snoop doggie dog sell....CP may have gone > platinum...but I don't think a record company is going to really support a > group like rush....put it this way... > Rush doesnt need Record Company support...their album will do just > fine....without help...and their tour will kick ass....with out their

    My point exactly. Rush sells albums like hotcakes and fills arenas night after night. But they're not "popular" - hence it involves something more than sales alone.


    > From: Pat Daugherty <> > Subject: DT/Greeen Day/popular music > > First of all, I don't know why anyone likes Green Day. In my personal > opinion all their songs sound the exact same-boring..

    I disagree completely (but I think we all know that by now. :)

    > I thnk Bernd was right on track. But I do believe that here in the US, > MTV basically drives what is popular. I mean MTV made Green Day. > > I bet if MTV would play a bunch of hard rock/heavy metal videos on a > consistent basis, that music would again become the norm. I mean back > when MTV was first starting hardrock/metal bands in the 80's made MTV.

    I agree completely. It happened with GnR, etc.


    > From: "MojoMan" <> > Subject: Vision : Live in the Long Island Music Festival (sorry NDTC) > > Just to let all of you know, my original band, Vision, is competing in > the Long Island Music Festival this wednesday (either today or tomorrow > depending on when this message gets on a jam). Any Long Island Jammers > are welcome to come's bound to be lots of fun...especially since > The Digital Man and Mithrander will be there, drinking lots of Tequilla > with me.

    Wrong again! You go ahead and drink that crazy, foul-tasting crap. I'll stick to my beers, thanks. :)

    ------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Digital Man \|/ ____ \|/ Secretary "@'/ ,. \`@" UVM Comp Sci Student Assn /_| \__/ |_\ "He won't need a bed \__U_/ He's a digital man" - Peart


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