YTSEJAM digest 1647

Date: Thu Jun 27 1996 - 02:24:46 EDT

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    Today's Topics:

      1) Jason Becker Info
     by buster <>
      2) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1646
     by Adam Barnhart <>
      3) Hmm.....
     by Ben Laussade <>
      4) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1646
     by (DUSTY VESTAL)
      5) Van Halen
      6) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1646
     by (acook)
      7) Re: asdf
     by (Chambers)
      8) i luv dis shtuff
     by RipZero <>
      9) Age limit?
     by John McCabe <>
     10) Scott and RDT
     by "John R. Kotzian" <>
     11) Some Antics with Songs
     by John Dea <>
     12) Rush Trib
     by "John R. Kotzian" <>
     by (Stephane Auzilleau)


    Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 19:31:21 -0400
    From: buster <>
    Subject: Jason Becker Info
    Message-ID: <>

    Sorry no DTC...if you dont want to know about Jason Becker, just
    skip this post. Dont worry, I won't post frequently about this.
    I know this one takes up a lot of Jam space, but it's just this
    once, and it's for Jason....

    I've been seeing growing interest in Jason Becker in here, so I thought
    I would share:

    Firts of all you can send Jason an email by using the "Jason Becker"
    link on my home page:

    Secondly, I have been corresponding with Pat Mapps (Jason's manager)
    over the past couple of months because I have volunteered to do
    some web site work for Jason and Pat. Whether or not I'll be creating
    anything for them soon remains to be soon, but here is what I know:

    Pat writes the replies now for Jason, but Jason reads all of his mail.
    Jason is too affected by ALS to write his own email, but he gets great
    joy from the reading supportive email that we send.
    If you email him, mention some things about the Ytsejam people that
    are in support of him.
    I'm not trying to tell you what to say really, but you might want to
    stick to some positive "uplifting" things :)
    Pat tells me they are busy trying to market
    Jasons new CD PERSPECTIVE. You can order perspective by using the
    Jason Becker link on my home page.
    I also have some recent .gif photo's of Jason that I do not have
    permission to give out, but I can describe. First off, as you might
    expect, he looks much different. He's gotten very skinny, and grew a
    beard!! In all the pictures, he is in his wheelchair with his guitar
    on his lap. For some reason he is wearing gloves in all pic's, but Im
    not sure if it's to protect from the wheels on the chair, or to possibly
    hide something he may be embarrassed about. All in all, his mind is
    completely there, but his physical self has deteriorated a bit.

    For those of you who don't know, Jason is/was an amazing guitar player,
    whom I would rank among the likes of JP and my other favorites. He has
    worked with Marty Friedman (Megadeth, Cacophony, etc..) and David Lee Roth.
    During the "Little Aint Enough" tour with Dave, Jason was striken down by
    ALS (Lou Gherigs Disease), a muscle deteriorating disease. He was in his
    prime then, but he has managed to not give up and he still writes incredible
    music, he just cant physically play it. His new CD was done with the help
    of other famous musicians (like Steve Vai and Steve Perry) whom Jason is very
    close to.

    I won't take up any more space...check him out!

    buster (Dave Hatlee)


    Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 16:30:15 -0700
    From: Adam Barnhart <>
    Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1646
    Message-ID: <>

    >I haven't seen Dream Theater on Beavis & Butthead, but they didn't like a
    >Rush video that was on (I think it was Stick it Out), so they probably
    >wouldn't give DT a favorable "review."

    Yeah, I saw that, too. I mean, Rush is my favorite band, but I thought it
    was's the typical thing you see with real thrash-heads and Rush.
    As though the band maybe COULD be okay, but they're kinda wimpy or
    something. Not like Winger, but just that being so erudite weakens the
    bands position (along with the synthesizers). B&B are plugged in, though --
    you'll notice how hip they are to urban music....they're about "cool." Rush
    isn't. And it's funny, in my opinion.

    >From: Ben Laussade <>
    > Ah....they're *kinda* different. I kinda like GD..I mean, sometimes
    >I need a break from complex music. Once in a blue moon I like to sit down
    >and listen to something that requires no brain power, thought, or amazing
    >range to sing along too. :-) Anybody see GD perform at Woodstock? (the
    >second one, duh).

    Sure. I'll get a lot of crap for this, but I think they're a pretty good
    band. They've got a good balance of aggression and melody. They're
    certainly not virtuosos, but they get around enough to write a good song.
    "When I Come Around," I'd say, is a standout, but I like several of their
    others, and own "Dookie." They're certainly fun, and I like the energy and
    the melodic function. Don't like them as much as Dream Theater, but enough
    to buy a them out of the used bin.

    >From: Pat Daugherty <>
    >Since some of us like Van Halen:
    >The radio 98 Rock (Baltimore) just announced that Van Halen's management
    >has just said that Sammy is out and that DLR will do a song with Van Halen
    >for their upcoming greatest hits.
    >Just 1 song nothing about if it is premanent or not.
    >I liked both eras of Van Halen...


    >From: (Mike Estok)
    >Subject: Van Halen
    >Message-ID: <>
    > I just heard the "official" news about Van Halen, so I will pass it on.
    > David Lee Roth was getting together with the band to record ONE
    >track for a box set or greatest hits compilation. Haggar got very upset and
    >his "ego got in the way". He quit and walked out of the band. VH hasn't
    >announced a replacement yet, but David Lee Roth is an obvious possibility.
    > Now, only if the same could happen to Steve Hogarth.....
    > Michelob

    Ugh....I hope not. I don't think much of Dave. Van Halen, of course, has
    been a tremendous all the way down the line, from the first record. But I
    don't like Dave in a band of guys who can play -- he's too much ego and not
    enough talent. He BELONGS in that whole casino/showtune scene. Listening to
    them do "Big Bad Bill" is fun, but I prefer listening to "Summer Nights" or
    "Mine All Mine." "Fair Warning" is a hell of a record, though....

    Steve Hogarth? That's not fair. I've got all the in print US Marillion
    discs (along with a couple of imports -- anyone got "Brief
    Encounters"....been looking for years...), and I'd say "Holidays In Eden" is
    as good as any Marillion record, save "Clutching at Straws." "Season's End"
    isn't too bad, either. I don't like the last two as much, but Fish's
    schtick was that he was, like Dave, a persona. Hogarth, from a musical
    perspective, is a natural to replace him. He's not as wordy or narrative,
    but he's a great singer and a lyricist with an edge -- and not a bad stage
    performer himself.

    Adam D. Barnhart

    "War doesn't determine who's right, it determines who's left."


    Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 16:52:56 -0700
    From: Ben Laussade <>
    Subject: Hmm.....
    Message-ID: <>

    >I haven't seen Dream Theater on Beavis & Butthead, but they didn't like a=
    >Rush video that was on (I think it was Stick it Out), so they probably=20
    >wouldn't give DT a favorable "review."

            Why is that? Besides that they're all amazing on their instruments
    and they use a few odd time signatures once in a while, there really aren't
    that many similarities between DT and Rush. (from what I've heard)
    Especially the newer Rush stuff.

    >Im sorry....but I can't respect musicians that can't play their
    >instrument...regardless of how much fun they claim to be having....

    Even if they don't claim to be good at their instruments? They're not lying
    about anything.=20

    >Anyone from NCSU out there recognize this machine? Anyone from NCSU want=
    >quietly take care of this before we hunt you down? If I had a browser (I'd
    >browse in the morni... oops, sorry) I'd track down the offending web page
    >myself, but alas I have none.

    Don't stop people from being able to do it...just give correct directions
    for subscribing. We want more Jammers, don't we?

    >you ever watch talk shows and imagine yourself standing up in the=20
    >audience and telling everyone how much of an idiot they are and then in=20
    >some instances kicking their ass? =20
    >i think DT should go on a talk show.

    Ummmmm.......Rip? Feelin' okay? :-)

    >oh, btw... this post has nuttin' to do with =A5=FFz.

    And you didn't even stick in a Beefquad-X plug. Or is it Insanity now? :-)

    >No, Garbage have that sexy Scottish girl singer :-)
    >Graham B.

    You don't think Billy Joe is sexy? :-) Maybe if he were in drag....

    And I listen openly....
    Ben Laussade


    Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 17:56:28 -0600 (MDT)
    From: (DUSTY VESTAL)
    Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1646
    Message-ID: <>

    >Ugh....I hope not. I don't think much of Dave. Van Halen, of course, has
    >been a tremendous all the way down the line, from the first record. But I
    >don't like Dave in a band of guys who can play -- he's too much ego and not
    >enough talent. He BELONGS in that whole casino/showtune scene. Listening to
    >them do "Big Bad Bill" is fun, but I prefer listening to "Summer Nights" or
    >"Mine All Mine." "Fair Warning" is a hell of a record, though....

    Actually, I have to disagree. I reallly don't care for Hagar....Lately, alot
    of their
    songs have been lovey dovey and alot of them also have been sounding too
    much alike.... As far as Dave goes, yes I remember him having an ego, but
    at the same time, being away from the spotlight for a few years and
    basically being a nobody might have knocked him down a notch. Plus, I don't
    think that Eddie would have even wanted to work with him again if he was the
    same.... Roth may have finally realized how successful VH was, even without
    him.... I predict a different Roth...
    Take Care.....Dusty

    |"Likely or not, it's a dream that we keep and at odds with|
    | our senses we'll climb. But if faith is the answer, we've|
    | already reached it, and if spirit's a sign, then it's |
    | only a matter of time" ---- DREAM THEATER |
    | |
    | ( : |



    Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 20:18:18 -0400
    Subject: Van Halen
    Message-ID: <>

    Holy shit! I don't know if anybody else has posted this yet, but I have a
    huge fucking bombshell! Sammy Hagar is officially out of Van Halen, and
    Eddie, Alex, and Mike are currently in the studio with......DAVID LEE
    ROTH!!!!!!!!!! I'm as shocked as you are. I don't know if this is correct,
    but I sent a mail to to see if I could get some info.
    I think that's VH's address. Anyway, I had unsubscribed because I'm leaving
    this week, but I have resubscribed just for the next few days to see what
    people will be saying about this.



    Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 20:19:52 -0400
    From: (acook)
    Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1646
    Message-ID: <>

    Hey all,

    Mojoman said:
    > Geez....someone just mentioned Jason Becker.....I wonder how he is
    >doing...maybe we can send him a card or something from the Ytsejam....or
    >at least Email of support.....Does anyone have his album???? how is
    >it...???? I hope Jason is doing ok.... God, it's a disgrace that such a
    >great guitar player has to end up with loosing the ability to finger his

    The ALS or (Lou Gherig's)disease is a horrible one and unfortunately it
    doesn't get much attention these days. I had the unfortunate experience of
    confronting it up front. My mother had the disease for 6 years before she
    passed away in January. Unfortunately, Jason not only has lost the ability
    to finger his instrument, but he will become too weak to survive. I don't
    want to seem like a downer on everybody or anything, I just think people
    need to realize what's going on here. Jason is in a battle with life here,
    and playing guitar has to become second to that battle. I agree
    wholeheartedly that we should find a way to support him, and I wish more
    people would. It's good that so many of you care. I just needed to get that
    off my chest and let people know, thanks ;)

    Onto happier issues...

    >D-Man wrote:
    >> What I said is that Green Day looks like they're having more fun
    >> on stage.
    >LiT got a poor review in RAW magazine, when it was released. The reviewer
    >was a huge DT fan, and she said the music was sensational, but she thought
    >that DT are simply boring to watch. To a certain extent, I agree.

    I think the problem here is that it's much easier to do stupid stage moves
    and jump around and jerk off on stage while playing Green Day's stuff than
    DT's. If you notice DT is usually looking at their instruments, and many of
    their fans are too since they're musicians, so it can get boring (with the
    exception of James's trademark "caressing" of the audience and his hair
    flipping :)).
    However this does not cover up the fact that Green Day sucks. ;)

    Also I picked up Savatage's Dead Winter Dead the other day. I was
    dissapointed at first, but the instrumentals caught my attention and now the
    vocal songs are sounding a little better too. We'll see how it turns out, so
    far so good. Ciao

    Adam Cook visit me at, (hard
    hat construction area!)


    Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 20:55:22 -0400
    From: (Chambers)
    Subject: Re: asdf
    Message-ID: <>

    >>Hi there,

    >>I'm one of the biggest Dream Theater fans in good old Germany and
    >>would liketo get in contact with some of you guys.

    >>Subscribe ytsejam (Volker Scheunemann)



    "Hope is epidemic, optimism spreads, bitterness breeds irritation, ignorance
            breeds imitation" --Rush


    Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 20:48:37 -0500
    From: RipZero <>
    To: Heavy Metal Computer Nerds <>
    Subject: i luv dis shtuff
    Message-ID: <>

    >Wrong. What I said is that Green Day looks like they're having more
    >fun on stage. Of course DT are having fun - they (hopefully) wouldn't
    >be doing it otherwise. But Green Day just runs around and goes sick.
    >I like that in them. I don't see that in DT.

    i thoguht it was quite funny when howard stern compared when joey ramone
    was on the show how greenday acted backstage and how the ramones used
    to. basically he said greenday just ran around pretending to be fucked
    up but they had no idea what really being plastered and high was... then
    he said to the ramone bros. "YOU guys got fucked up" :) but still
    greenday is having a fun time.......... however i'd rather see a band
    like S.O.D. trash around stage like mindless idiots rather than
    greenday. billy joe is a surprisingly cool person though... he grew up
    with fucking van halen and randy rhoads, i've heard him say it! he's
    also surprisingly open minded n shit too. now that drummer is one
    fucking asshole, but oh well... "our music isnt about 10 minute hammer
    on guitar solos... i hate that whole mtv 80s era" cuz you know he's
    just a big hypocrate. despite billy joe's personality, i hate the
    music... its not the no-talent part of it... i just cant stand that
    shit :) most likely because i've heard it WAY to many times..... same
    with oasis... if i wanna cool down from talent and just listen to
    something fun i'll pull out some old 80s metal album where the guys just
    goofed around..... theres tons of that shit... basically what i'm
    saying is greenday is in the middle... they have no talent so they just
    run around acting wacko... but they dont act wacko ENOUGH so its just
    trash i wont listen to... :) hasta


    Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 22:55:55 -0400 (EDT)
    From: John McCabe <>
    Subject: Age limit?
    Message-ID: <>

    Zack Gemmill typed:
    >July 3rd - The Rock 'n' Roll Cafe, NYC - 149 Bleeker Street, NYC.
    >1-212-677-7630 for info. Free Admission! Showtime 9 pm.
    I'm 17. Does anybody know if there is and age limit at The Rock 'n' Roll Cafe.
    And if so WHAT IS IT!



    Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 01:08:13 -0400 (EDT)
    From: "John R. Kotzian" <>
    To: (Explore The Boundries)
    Subject: Scott and RDT
    Message-ID: <>


            Hey Scott, nice plug for Mike Bahr's boots on the RDT. ;)

       	        _________________  _  ____________________
                 (^)	        		          (^)
    	    <-o-> is John R. Kotzian<-o->
    	     (v)________________ __ __ ___________________(v)


    Date: Wed, 26 Jun 96 21:40:54 -0500 From: John Dea <> To: "~YTSEJAM" <> Subject: Some Antics with Songs Message-ID: <>

    Hi. Somebody suggested a food-related pun contest with song titles as a sick little thread. What the heck? I humbly present to you...

    IMAGES AND CURDS, by Cream Theater Pull My Udder Another Dairy Take the Thyme Churn 'round It Milktropolis, Part I (The Milker and the Creamer) Udder a Glass Moo Wait for Cheese Churning to Live

    This could become an o-pun ended discussion, but I'll save "When Cream and Dairy Unite", "A Steak" and "A Change of Seasonings" for some other thyme. I'll admit these efforts were pretty cheesy (Take the Thyme doesn't even fit the theme; it's just there to spice up the rest of the album). Since I've probably milked this one for all it's worth, I'll happily steer it in another direction if any of you have a beef with my post. Okay, I've "pun"ished y'all enough now, so I'll retreat into the other room under a barrage of flying objects (-8

    "Cow"ering in fear of being flame-broiled, John

    PS: Now that I'm outside of swatting range, I'd like to mention two threads that have been weaving through the Rush newsletter lately, which might be fun here as well. First, instead of just punning album titles, how about parodying entire DT lyrics, a la "Weird Al" Yankovic? (Speaking of Rush, there's a whole section of song parodies ("By the Fans") on the NMS Web page; check out <>.) Also, we could do "Deep Dream Theater Thoughts" (inspired by "Deep Thoughts with Jack Handey" from SNL). Luckily for the rest of you, I don't have any ideas of either at the moment, so I'll just suggest the threads and then run for cover (-8

    O-------------------------------------------------------------O / /| O-------------------------------------------------------------O | | John R Dea, 1st Lt, USAF | | | | War Planning Systems Analyst | | | | United States Strategic | | | | Command / J6210A2 (SPAM) | | O | Offutt AFB, Nebraska | Puns are just some antics |/ O-------------------------------------------------------------O


    Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 01:31:31 -0400 (EDT) From: "John R. Kotzian" <> To: (Explore The Boundries) Subject: Rush Trib Message-ID: <>


    Just the idea that Rush would feel that a tribute album would be their death just pisses me off, and leads me to believe it's more of an ego thing than anything.

    Now, here is a band that I have admired for many years, their music has been an inspiration and a learning tool in my advance as a musician/songwriter. I have looked up to these guys as idols, but this threat of a lawsuit is nothing more than a tantrum.

    In many of the cover bands that I have been in, we have played a shitload of our favorite Rush tunes, so what's next? are they going to file a lawsuit against us?

    Now, as I understand it, Anyone can release a tribute album, without the consent of the band, as long as certain requirements are met. My contact at Magna Carta tells me that the criteria has been met. I do believe that the tribute will be released on time.

    Does anyone have an email or snail-mail address for Rush? I want to voice my opinion to them directly. This really irks me.

    -- _________________ _ ____________________ (^) (^) <-o-> is John R. Kotzian<-o-> (v)________________ __ __ ___________________(v)


    Date: Thu, 27 Jun 96 08:13:21 +0100 From: (Stephane Auzilleau) To: Subject: RUSH TRIBUTE Message-ID: <>

    Fresh news from the Rush tribute: It will be released in Europe at the end of July. I had the luck to get the advance tape yesterday and I must say that it is very impressive! Perhaps most of the covers are too close to the original versions but it is certainly due to the fact that Terry Brown mixed most of the songs. Just a small comment on each of them:

    "Working man" is great, with Baz on vocals and Jake E Lee on guitars. One of the best covers, sounds very powerful, in the Skid Row vein.

    "By-Tor" is unfortunately a short version of the song (about 3 minutes), still with Jake E Lee on guitars. James La Brie's vocals are great, close to Geddy ones. But too short!!

    Michael Romeo (Symphony X) gives a fantastic guitar playing to "The analog kid", with very rock vocals by Jack Russel.

    "The trees" is covered by Shadow Gallery. Very close to the original version, but the vocals don't fit exactly. One of the weakest covers.

    Steve Morse transcends "La villa strangiato". Nothing more to say.

    Great great version of "Mission" with Eric Martin on vocals. His interpretation of the song is very different and it gives a fresh touch. Definitely one of the best.

    "Anthem" is the faithfulest cover. Incredible how Mark Slaughter can sounds like Geddy.

    "Jacobs' ladder" is great. John Petrucci plays with a lot of feeling and Baz gives a good singing.

    Fates Warning's version of "Closer to the heart" is close to Rush version.

    IMHO "Natural science" is the strongest song of this tribute. Devin Townsend is simply amazing on it, and the result is quite unexpected.

    "YYZ" is also very well done, with James Murphy on guitars (as on "Natural science"). He changed a little some guitar parts. This version is very powerful and heavier than the original one.

    "Red barchetta" is definitely the second highlight performance of this tribute. Steve Morse on guitar, James La Brie on vocals and the rythm section of Cynic. And it is as good as we can expect it. James vocals are more personnal and it gives a second breath to this fantastic song. Steve Morse is definitely a God! And it is difficult to find a better rythm section, strong and subtle at the same time.

    "Freewill" is the weakest song. What a pity! But the guys from Aura are not in, even if their album is good (to be release on Magna Carta in september).

    The rythm section for most of the tracks are Mike Portnoy / Billy Sheehan or Dean Castronovo / Sturat Hamm. No comments necessary.

    "Working man" is a wonderful tribute album and you'll love it. And Rush is a great band!

    That's all for now.



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