YTSEJAM Digest 1646
Today's Topics:
1) tori amos
by Galactic Cowboy <belhai1@gl.umbc.edu>
2) Re: Bospop Weert
by Jim Beavens <jbeavens@ichips.intel.com>
3) DWD, WWW, shameless plug :)
by subtlerage@gnn.com (Andrew Miller)
4) DT on b&b?
by nelson evan andrew <enelson@students.uiuc.edu>
5) Jason Becker, Green Day!
by "MojoMan" <mojonet@pb.net>
6) Bad web instructions
by brian.kirk@USVGI.mail.abb.com
7) %z
by RipZero <ripzero@dreamt.org>
8) A few replies
by borlangw <borlangw@dcs.gla.ac.uk>
9) Green Day (sorry. :-)
by Ben Laussade <laussade@enet.net>
10) Rush Tribute album news
by mrkizer@CCGATE.HAC.COM
11) Metallica's "Disposable Gyros" (The whole Jam hasn't heard it
by Ben Laussade <laussade@enet.net>
12) MASTERMIND tour dates
by zack@lsil.com (Zack Gemmill)
13) Diamond Dave in Van Halen again... !
by RipZero <ripzero@dreamt.org>
14) Van Halen news
by Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
15) Reply to DT-Sticker Ad
by jskewes@why.net (jskewes)
16) Re: DT on b&b?
by Jon Byrne <rael@access.mountain.net>
17) Van Halen
by jestok@interlog.com (Mike Estok)
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Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 13:13:32 -0400 (EDT)
From: Galactic Cowboy <belhai1@gl.umbc.edu>
To: the cool people <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: tori amos
Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.91.960626131147.20117A@umbc8.umbc.edu>
Can anyone that saw the unplugged yesterday tell me what songs she played
before "icicle." I missed the first 15 minutes. Thanks.
Brandon
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Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 10:44:27 -0700
From: Jim Beavens <jbeavens@ichips.intel.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Bospop Weert
Message-ID: <199606261742.KAA28060@ichips.intel.com>
> Is anybody of the yammers going to Bospop
^^^^^^^
I love typos. =) Rock on jtseyammers!!! 8^)
Jim
-- Jim Beavens <jbeavens@ichips.intel.com> | If I had a witty remark that MD6 Design Engineer, Intel Corp, Hillsboro OR | would better the lives of my -=(UDIC)=- Subconscious Dragon -=(UDIC)=- | fellow mankind, do you really ** I don't speak for Intel ** | think I would put it HERE?------------------------------
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 12:49:43 From: subtlerage@gnn.com (Andrew Miller) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: DWD, WWW, shameless plug :) Message-ID: <199606261748.NAA06561@mail-e2b-service.gnn.com>
Hi everyone...
ok, so perhaps i'm a little slow, but i picked up Savatage's Dead Winter Dead a few days ago. after several listens i like it. the singer's attempt at growling kinda bugs me, but everything else is pretty cool. i especially like their interpretations of various pieces of classical music.
i wonder if anyone is going to get rid of the ytsejam@ax.com link on their web page...
ok, time for a shameless plug... :-)
some of you may have noticed that my sig file contains two band names. SubtleRage is a prog-rock project that i've unfortunately had to put on hold. Interum is a new age/prog instrumental project that i've been putting alot of time and energy into. Interum I cassettes are available to the public. i'm self releasing it, and i've been selling them locally and from my web page. Interum I is written and recorded entirely by me using synthesizers. it's got kind of a mainstream new age feel, but with prog and jazz influences.
anyway, if anyone is interested in hearing my stuff, stop by my home page.
thanks for the bandwidth.
seeya Andrew ================================================== Andrew Miller - Songwriter/Keyboardist/Singer - SubtleRage (progressive rock) - Interum (new age/prog instrumental) http://members.gnn.com/subtlerage/ subtlerage@gnn.com ==================================================
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Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 12:50:45 -0500 (CDT) From: nelson evan andrew <enelson@students.uiuc.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: DT on b&b? Message-ID: <Pine.Sola.3.91.960626124834.17382A@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu>
I haven't seen Dream Theater on Beavis & Butthead, but they didn't like a Rush video that was on (I think it was Stick it Out), so they probably wouldn't give DT a favorable "review."
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Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 14:01:41 -0400 From: "MojoMan" <mojonet@pb.net> To: "ytsejam@ax.com" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Jason Becker, Green Day! Message-ID: <199606261806.LAA12136@mindcrime.ax.com>
Geez....someone just mentioned Jason Becker.....I wonder how he is doing...maybe we can send him a card or something from the Ytsejam....or at least Email of support.....Does anyone have his album???? how is it...???? I hope Jason is doing ok.... God, it's a disgrace that such a great guitar player has to end up with loosing the ability to finger his instrument. Actually....whats worse is when a group like Green Day gains some sortof respect in this world. I remember a couple of months back, I saw a picture of that Billy Joe idiot in Guitar Magazine......Unbelievable....
Im sorry....but I can't respect musicians that can't play their instrument...regardless of how much fun they claim to be having.... The members of Drea Theater are still having fun AND they know how to play their instruments.....
T H E O N E , T H E O N L Y M O J O M A N!!!!
P.S. Anyone know anything about Jason Becker...please email me privately....thanks
-- *************************************************** T H E M O J O M A N Mojonet@pb.net MojoMan@dreamt.org http://www.pb.net/~mojo ***************************************************
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Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 13:58:50 -0400 From: brian.kirk@USVGI.mail.abb.com To: " - (052)ytsejam(a)ax.com" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Bad web instructions Message-ID: <0010200003122171000002*@MHS>
I think I have a lead on those www-generated posts which seem to be cropping up all too frequently these days.
Exhibit A)
> > *** YTSEJAM Digest 1645 > > 1) asdf (WWW generated email) > by Warren Armstrong <warren.armstrong@iig.com.au> [trim] > 15) asdf (WWW generated email) > by Volker Scheunemann <VSCHEUN@T-ONLINE.DE>
Twice in the same 'jam even. Let's take a closer look.
Here's the first one.
> Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 21:49:31 -0400 > From: Warren Armstrong <warren.armstrong@iig.com.au> > To: ytsejam@ax.com > Subject: asdf (WWW generated email) > Message-ID: <199606260149.VAA03505@nermal.catt.ncsu.edu> > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > 5 Old Cassowary St. > Freshwater, Cairns, 4870 > Queensland, Australia.
And now for number two.
> Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 07:25:11 -0400 > From: Volker Scheunemann <VSCHEUN@T-ONLINE.DE> > To: ytsejam@ax.com > Subject: asdf (WWW generated email) > Message-ID: <199606261125.HAA04038@nermal.catt.ncsu.edu> > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > Hi there, > > I'm one of the biggest Dream Theater fans in good old Germany and would like > to get in contact with some of you guys. > > Subscribe ytsejam (Volker Scheunemann)
Exhibit B)
If that's not enough, here is a sampling from other 'jams.
'Jam 1635: > Subject: "asdf" (WWW generated email) > Message-ID: <199606201559.LAA01470@nermal.catt.ncsu.edu> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
'Jam 1627: > Subject: asdf (WWW generated email) > Message-ID: <199606170813.EAA17991@nermal.catt.ncsu.edu> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Plus two more in 1625, but I think we've all got the idea by now.
Anyone from NCSU out there recognize this machine? Anyone from NCSU want to quietly take care of this before we hunt you down? If I had a browser (I'd browse in the morni... oops, sorry) I'd track down the offending web page myself, but alas I have none.
Whoever's page this is, it appears to be quite popular. It's averaging a hit about every other day.
"Briiiaaaaan!!" "Kiiirrrrrrk!!" - Joe, Wings - Khan, Wrath of Khan brian.kirk@usvgi.mail.abb.com Write me. If you dare!
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Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 13:11:02 -0500 From: RipZero <ripzero@dreamt.org> To: Heavy Metal Computer Nerds <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: %z Message-ID: <31D17D36.3042@dreamt.org>
oh, btw... this post has nuttin' to do with %z.
you ever watch talk shows and imagine yourself standing up in the audience and telling everyone how much of an idiot they are and then in some instances kicking their ass?
i think DT should go on a talk show.
~Rip
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Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 19:27:52 +0100 From: borlangw <borlangw@dcs.gla.ac.uk> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: A few replies Message-ID: <9606261827.AA24087@barren.dcs.gla.ac.uk>
Grinder wrote: > DT would have to be relegated to opener status, which would give them :60,
Aren't DT more popular than Rainbow these days? Shouldn't DT be the headliners?
Jon wrote: > Also, if you havent gotten the Superior :Behind disk, you owe it to > yourself to get that one too.
Definitely. It's one of my 3 favourite CDs.
Someone (not sure who) wrote: >I agree with Bernd that record companies, not the public, >decide what we get to hear.
Not completely true . . . I listen to Superior all the time, and they don't even have a record deal!
D-Man wrote: > What I said is that Green Day looks like they're having more fun > on stage.
LiT got a poor review in RAW magazine, when it was released. The reviewer was a huge DT fan, and she said the music was sensational, but she thought that DT are simply boring to watch. To a certain extent, I agree. Someone else wrote: > Green Day = Garbage
No, Garbage have that sexy Scottish girl singer :-)
Graham B. ____________________________________________________________________________ | | | Graham Borland, borlangw@dcs.gla.ac.uk, http://www.dcs.gla.ac.uk/~borlangw |:: |____________________________________________________________________________|:: ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
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Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 12:00:04 -0700 From: Ben Laussade <laussade@enet.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Green Day (sorry. :-) Message-ID: <199606261900.MAA05066@maple.enet.net>
> From: Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com> > Subject: DT/Greeen Day/popular music > > First of all, I don't know why anyone likes Green Day. In my personal > opinion all their songs sound the exact same-boring..
Ah....they're *kinda* different. I kinda like GD..I mean, sometimes I need a break from complex music. Once in a blue moon I like to sit down and listen to something that requires no brain power, thought, or amazing range to sing along too. :-) Anybody see GD perform at Woodstock? (the second one, duh). Billy Joe got into a mud fight with the crowd. The bass player was laying down and playing. They were having fun. How can you look down upon somebody who is just having fun (unless it's illegal and/or causes pain to anyone or anything)? Do you really think that if you asked Green Day who the greatest guitarists/bassists/drummers where they'd say, "MMEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!". Actually, they probably would and then start laughing because it was a joke. That band is about FUN, kay? And lots of people seem to enjoy listening to them having fun. Let me say again, that CHOICE OF MUSIC IS A MATTER OF *PERSONAL TASTE*. Some people like cheese...some people don't. Some people like to fornicate with mad rhinoceruses...some people don't. Some people like to bring up threads that have already been beat to death (hint hint clue clue)...some people don't.
And I listen openly.... What you see is human. Ben Laussade
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Date: Wed, 26 Jun 96 11:54:36 PST From: mrkizer@CCGATE.HAC.COM To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Rush Tribute album news Message-ID: <9605268358.AA835815719@CCGATE.HAC.COM>
This is from the National Midnight Star: This is from Rolling Stone Online:
[6/11/96] Expect legal problems over the pending release of "Working Man," a Rush tribute album due out on the Magna Carta label later this summer. Producer Peter Morticelli says the Toronto-based bands self-owned publishing company initially gave him permission to proceed with an album but then recanted. Morticelli says he called the company in January regarding the mechanical licensing for the songs and received a verbal commitment and immediately went to work on the project to meet the scheduling needs of the participants. The record features members of Dream Theatre, Great White, Dokken, Skid Row, Fates Warning, Mr. Big and Testament. He says his second call to the company a month later when the project was well into the recording phase saw an about face. The album, mixed by longtime Rush cohort Terry Brown, was to be distributed by Canadas Attic label. Canadian copyright laws will definitely prohibit the sale of the record in Rushs home country says Morticelli, but he will release the album in the States on Aug. 6. He says is expecting legal action and likens the pending battle to David (Magna Carta) verses Goliath (Rush). Rushs management were unavailable for comment.
[6/18/96] Rushs management has confirmed that they are protesting the pending existence of a Rush tribute album. "The record will not be released in North America," says Stephanie Robertson of SRO, the bands Toronto-based management firm. Robertson says the band has nothing against the record company, Magna Carta, or the musical performances on the recording, but they dont want a tribute album of any kind. "The band feels that "tribute" equals "death", says Roberts. "They said they did not want a "funeral before they're dead". With the album already recorded and a release date in the States set for August, litigation is almost a certainty.
*** Not looking good... All of us in North America will probably end up buying it as an import for $50... 8^(
-Mike .~~~~~~~ Michael Kizer -- Computer Sciences Corporation (Tucson, AZ) ~~~~~~~. | Email: mrkizer@ccgate.hac.com (preferred) -or- mkizer@indirect.com | | WWW: http://www.indirect.com/www/mkizer <--- Dream Theater Song Book here!| '~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~'
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Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 12:17:10 -0700 From: Ben Laussade <laussade@enet.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Metallica's "Disposable Gyros" (The whole Jam hasn't heard it Message-ID: <199606261917.MAA05691@maple.enet.net>
>Subject: asdf (WWW generated email) >Message-ID: <199606260149.VAA03505@nermal.catt.ncsu.edu> > >5 Old Cassowary St. >Freshwater, Cairns, 4870 >Queensland, Australia.
Yikes...somebody's got the wrong idea.
>Dream Theater has no counterpart in the world.---Yutaka---
See? This is quality DT content.
Well......in our time of DT thread-less despair, here's an idea that might keep us busy for a while....take a song title (that'd we'd be familiar with, preferably) and turn it into some kind of food pun. One example is the topic...some others would be "Red Barcheddar", "Cheddarspheres" and "Lifting Shadows off Whipped Cream". Note: Do NOT SEND THESE to ME personally. Send all puns to the Jam. :-)
This kept us busy on IRC for a minutes at a time..maybe it will do the same on the list. Sorry if some IRCers thought this pun-making game was extremely special, and should only be kept on IRC...but I'm desperate (as I'm sure some other people are) for something entertaining on the Jam. Maybe even funny, too. ;-)
>Of that I've made my tactique. I only post stupid childish things that make >you people mad at me. In the process, I'm making an ass out of myself, but >at least I get noticed. > >Ha ha! > >........................................................................ >D A V E K I N G
Dave who?
>Has Dream Theater ever been "reviewed" on Beavis and Butthead? If they got a >good review, it could send them into platinum status (a la White Zombie). >Although, if they get panned (a la Winger) it could be a disaster. >
Welcome to, "You Know You're Desperate When..." with your humble host, The Guy at CNG@tcco.com!!!!
Mama, they try and break me.....
And I listen openly.... Ben Laussade
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Date: Wed, 26 Jun 96 12:27:29 PDT From: zack@lsil.com (Zack Gemmill) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: MASTERMIND tour dates Message-ID: <9606261927.AA20837@tengs1>
Hey 'jammers. I got this from the MASTERMIND "list". I know a few of us here are already into this band, but anyone who isn't should be !^)>
MASTERMIND live dates
June 28th - The New Ritz, Baltimore, Md - Pre-ProgScape warmup. Appearing with 'Averted Vision'. Call 1-410-866-3994 for more info. Showtime 10 pm. Don't miss this one! July 3rd - The Rock 'n' Roll Cafe, NYC - 149 Bleeker Street, NYC. 1-212-677-7630 for info. Free Admission! Showtime 9 pm. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ July 7th - Shooters - Levittown, PA Showtime 9 pm. July 20th - The Middle East, 126 Chestnut St, Philadelphia With special guest. Call 1-215-922-1003 for info. More summer dates to be announced. Hope to see you at ProgDay '96 September 1st, Chapel Hill, North Carolina.
Coming worldwide in August - MASTERMIND IV "UNTIL ETERNITY" For more information: http://www.mosquito.com/~bberends/mastermind/
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Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 15:01:07 -0500 From: RipZero <ripzero@dreamt.org> To: Heavy Metal Computer Nerds <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Diamond Dave in Van Halen again... ! Message-ID: <31D19702.14A4@dreamt.org>
Shit dudes, i dont think keu was bullshitting about dave coming back.... i just heard it on the radio too.... heres the quick version of the story- ok van halen wants to do a greatest hits cd, but sammy wants to do a new album... and VH wanted to get dave back to do a new song just for fun or something on the greatest hits... well, sammy appearently up and left all pissed off, and dave is back with the boys for good. FUCK N A! this better be true, cuz i bet if they tour dave wont know any recent stuff and they'll do a bunch of old tunes. oh well, more info to come i suppose! ~Rip
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Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 17:02:36 -0400 (EDT) From: Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com> To: Dream Theater Mailing List <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Van Halen news Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.960626170205.27007A-100000@bdmserver>
Since some of us like Van Halen:
The radio 98 Rock (Baltimore) just announced that Van Halen's management has just said that Sammy is out and that DLR will do a song with Van Halen for their upcoming greatest hits.
Just 1 song nothing about if it is premanent or not.
I liked both eras of Van Halen...
|-----------------------------------------------------------------------| | Pat Daugherty pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com | |=======================================================================| | "Every breath leaves me one less to my last" --Dream Theater | | "That is not an option, Mr. Mulder" --X-Files | |-----------------------------------------------------------------------| |The Baltimore Orioles-The team to beat in 1996!!!!!!! | Go DC United! | |-----------------------------------------------------------------------|
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Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 16:41:51 -0500 From: jskewes@why.net (jskewes) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Reply to DT-Sticker Ad Message-ID: <19960626214147192.AAA197@thisco141.thisco.com>
>The (new) limited Dream Theater stickers are here...and ready for >ship-out!
>IF YOU would like your own sticker(s)...then you can write to the >address below. The Stickers are only $2.00 each. (includes shipping
I have to ask this....
How much of this is going to the band...? Or am I correct in assuming that the answer to this is none...?
Is this authorized by the band...? I would think that they would have their own stickers that we could buy via the fan club.
I'm not trying to start a flame war, just wondering...
Jason
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Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 18:46:07 -0400 From: Jon Byrne <rael@access.mountain.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: DT on b&b? Message-ID: <1.5.4.16.19960627184616.2fef75a0@access.mountain.net>
At 10:53 AM 6/26/96 -0700, somebody wrote: >I haven't seen Dream Theater on Beavis & Butthead, but they didn't like a >Rush video that was on (I think it was Stick it Out), so they probably >wouldn't give DT a favorable "review."
Yeah, it was "Stick it Out", but in the beginning, Beavis sang a little of "Spirit of the Radio." It was pretty funny, actually. For what it's worth, I think Mike Judge (B&B's creator) knows that Rush seem to like B&B. In the booklet for _Burning for Buddy_ there's a picture of Neil Peart sitting behind his kit with a B&B shirt on. Who knows?
Jonathan Byrne rael@access.mountain.net http://access.mountain.net/~rael/jdbhome2.htm West Virginia University College of Law ----------------------------------------------------------------- "Any major dude with half a heart Surely would tell you my friend, Any minor world that breaks apart Falls together again." -"Any Major Dude", Steely Dan
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Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 18:54:54 -0400 From: jestok@interlog.com (Mike Estok) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Van Halen Message-ID: <199606262254.SAA22858@gold.interlog.com>
I just heard the "official" news about Van Halen, so I will pass it on.
David Lee Roth was getting together with the band to record ONE track for a box set or greatest hits compilation. Haggar got very upset and his "ego got in the way". He quit and walked out of the band. VH hasn't announced a replacement yet, but David Lee Roth is an obvious possibility.
Now, only if the same could happen to Steve Hogarth.....
Michelob
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