YTSEJAM digest 1648

Date: Thu Jun 27 1996 - 09:31:39 EDT

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    Today's Topics:

      1) import DT cds
      2) news
     by "Ryan P. Skadberg" <>
      3) Van Halen
     by zebrowski steven <>
      4) Bravo!
     by Ben Laussade <>
      5) New Yawkisms ovah heah
     by The Digital Man <>
      6) James
      7) bass instruction
     by Monty Newberry <>
      8) Rush Tribute Protest
      9) Big music announcements about Stone Temple Pilots and Van Halen
     by (Heath Augustover)
     10) =VH= - Calm down!
     by Michael Bahr <>
     11) Talkshows/MTV/PC on the jam...
     by (Neil Gallop)
     12) Cow DT and Maiden
     by Mark Smeets <>
     14) Charone: thanks
     15) Hey Itchy
     16) NEW DT-RUMORS!!!
     by Andreas Schaefer <>
     17) Power Windows dates + things
     by Mithrandir <>


    Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 02:16:46 -0400
    Subject: import DT cds
    Message-ID: <>

    I've only been reading the digest for a couple of days and this is my first
    post so excuse me if I bring up anything you've already been over. First of
    all, the other day I came across the cd europe web page. They sell only
    imports and have a ton of DT cds, including "Dance of Eternity" double cd,
    and a bunch more. They also have some Savatage and Dr. Butcher. I've already
    spent about $150 and could probably spend a thousand more if I had it.
                                  they are at
    Also, I'm sure its been beaten to death in the last year, if it has, or if it
    hasn't, I'm going to bring it up again...What is, or what is meant by a
    "space dye vest"
    Just a thought, maybe some of you can post your favorite DT lyrics (limited
    to 4or 5 lines) example: "If there's a pensive fear, a wasted year A man
    must learn to cope. If his obsession's real, Suppression that he feels must
    turn to hope" --Take The Time
    and if you have a favorite Green Day lyric (that doesn't contain the word
    "hashish", if you can find one) hey, feel free to post that too.

    (I'll try not to be so wordy in the future) --Gumby (yes, Gumby is still
    alive and he's a DT fan, damnit!)


    Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 02:26:46 -0400 (EDT)
    From: "Ryan P. Skadberg" <>
    Subject: news
    Message-ID: <>

    hey ....

    new for all

    warner bros confirmed today that Sammy Hagar is no longer in Van Halen
    David Lee Roth is currently in the studio with the band recording a
    song for their greatest hits album, but has not been officially
    announced as filling the position. Word around Warner Bros is that
    he is going to stay.

    Funny thing is, I heard this on MTV today and they said an LA
    radio station started talk about this yesterday. Its funny
    because I heard about it last Thurs on the jam :)


    | Ryan P Skadberg                          |
    | s y s t e m . a d m i n i s t r a t o r / w e b . d e v e l o p  e r  |
    | |
    \    "And every prayer we pray at night has somehow lost its meaning"   /
     \                "Dead Winter Dead"  - Savatage                       /


    Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 02:32:55 -0400 (EDT) From: zebrowski steven <> To: Subject: Van Halen Message-ID: <>

    Didn't all the exact same rumors about the Haggar/Van Halen split come up about <exactly> a year ago? I hope these are just rumors. I'm really not into Van Halen, but their stuff with Roth is just so lame.

    Steve Z


    Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 23:54:12 -0700 From: Ben Laussade <> To: Subject: Bravo! Message-ID: <>

    >This could become an o-pun ended discussion, but I'll save "When Cream >and Dairy Unite", "A Steak" and "A Change of Seasonings" for some other >thyme. I'll admit these efforts were pretty cheesy (Take the Thyme >doesn't even fit the theme; it's just there to spice up the rest of the >album). Since I've probably milked this one for all it's worth, I'll >happily steer it in another direction if any of you have a beef with my >post. Okay, I've "pun"ished y'all enough now, so I'll retreat into the >other room under a barrage of flying objects (-8

    Oh geez.....that was great. :-) Of course, I'm afraid we'll have to stick you in the punitentiary.

    Meanwhile, listen to When Cream and Egg Unite:

    A Fortune in Pies Flatus Seeker The Ytse JAM <--sorry. :-) The Killing Spam Light Fart and Get Away Afterdinner The Ones Who Help To Seed the Bun Only a Bladder of Time

    Okay, that was just bad. ;-)

    And the worst thing is, I have nothing else to add to that post so I have to end it with horrible puns. Oh well.

    And I listen openly.... Ben Laussade


    Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 03:24:58 -0400 (EDT) From: The Digital Man <> To: Ytse Jam <> Subject: New Yawkisms ovah heah Message-ID: <>

    I've been thinking about this one for a while, and it's really been bugging me lately. Who writes the vocal melodies in Dream Theater? I'm beginning to think it's not James, and here's why:

    Canadians and New Yorkers have very distinct accents from one another. I know James talks like a Canadian. Backstage at the Birch he ended every other sentence with "eh?". Now listen to some lyrics. Example: Pull Me Under. "Every day sends *fyoochuh* *tah* past..." This is a very NY/LI way of saying that sentence. Makes me think that one of the other four wrote the melody, sang it for James, and James just imitated what he heard. There are many other examples of this elsewhere in their stuff. I'm not slagging James - he's a great singer. But I started thinking about this watching Mojo's band rehearse this week. Their new guitarist sings certain things the way the old singer did. Same inflection and pronunciation and such. Probably because that's how he's come to recognize the songs. "That's how it goes."

    Comments? Criticisms? Lewd jokes?

    ------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Digital Man \|/ ____ \|/ Secretary "@'/ ,. \`@" UVM Comp Sci Student Assn /_| \__/ |_\ "He won't need a bed \__U_/ He's a digital man" - Peart


    Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 09:53:29 +0200 From: To: Subject: James Message-ID: <v02130501adf7ec924ac1@[]>

    >Yes, James does have trouble with the high notes SOMETIMES. I've seen him >on a great night, a good night, and OK night and a bad night. Where he >runs into trouble is when he does that awful raspy voice all the time. I >like that voice when used in moderation, but he seems to use it all the >time. If he stops doing that his voice will last forever. Even Pavarotti >gets tired, but he may sing 1 to 5 high C's a night--James is singing 20. >One must also take into account the absolutely singer-unfriendly evironment >of the club stage. Rock singers on the Jam: back me up on this!

    I guess you're talking about JLB? I've seen him in Zurich. It was a BAD night, really pathetic. Moreover, it was the third concert in three days. DT never do more than 3 in a row, because (quote MP, i think) "James' voice gets tired". Metropolis, the last song in the gig, was basically sung in one note. The problem with JLB's singing is that he has to reach high while still having to scratch and excavate at the low end. Remember LiT's "UaGM"? He's damn tearing those high notes! I don't particularly like that raspy voice either. I love his vibrato effect, though:

    "morning comes too early-hy-hy-hy-hy-hy-hy-hy"

    That's MEGA-technique, although it gets tiring to hear that kinda stuff too often.

    ........................................................................ D A V E K I N G "If you see a problem where there is none, then the problem is YOU" (dk) "holding on is easier than letting go" (fw)


    Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 03:11:25 -0600 From: Monty Newberry <> To: Subject: bass instruction Message-ID: <>

    I had asked about a JM bass instructional video. Again, if anybody know about this, PLEASE let me know. Also, for that matter, if this does or does not exist, I would also like any details anyone could provide on any GOOD (I don't want any crap here. Also, for more advanced players, not beginning instruction.) bass instructional vids. Thanks a bunch. Dale R. Newberry


    Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 04:14:26 -0400 From: To: Subject: Rush Tribute Protest Message-ID: <>

    I agree with John Kotzian. I'm very surprised with Rush's reaction to the "Working Man" CD. They should be honored. This is a TRIBUTE album after-all!! Here are some of the most talented musicians around today, paying respect to a band that was an influence on them, and they threaten lawsuit!!!! I am REALLY looking foward to hearing this CD, and to assure we do, I think writing in to the appropriate people will show that there are alot of us who DO want to hear this CD!!! Whattduya say??? P.S.- I guess we have to read about Van Halen for the next couple of weeks instead of Metallica now?!?!? We really need this Rush tribute for new DT content!!!


    Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 04:42:51 -0500 From: (Heath Augustover) To: Subject: Big music announcements about Stone Temple Pilots and Van Halen Message-ID: <v01510100adf805f0f517@[]>

    I just happened to be up at 4:30am tonight and I heard some big news about both the groups of Stone Temple Pilots and Van Halen that are now official.

    First,the news on Stone Temple Pilots. The lead singer named Welland that was to serve a 6 months sentence in the drug rehab center has been in there for 1 or 2 months, left the center prematurely. Because of that, the Los Angelos police department has an arrest warrent out looking for him. That order came different and was a court order

    Now the news on Van Halen. It's now official. Sammy Hager is now officially out of the VH. Hager left the band because of creative differences. The replacement for Hager will be, ready for this, David Lee Roth! In the same news briefing, the announcer said that VH is making a greatest hits album now with David Lee on vocals.

    All the information that I just gave is 100% true and was just told over the radio waves on 104.3 here in NY. Sorry that there was no DT content here, but I just thought that some of you guys might of been interested in some of the info that I just shared.

    Heath Augustover


    Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 01:40:09 -0700 (MST) From: Michael Bahr <> To: Subject: =VH= - Calm down! Message-ID: <>

    I doubt this whole thing about Sammy leaving VH will be permanent. Remember, they were supposed to record ONE TRACK with David for the Howard Stern movie... the same one that was going to feature Letterman in a toupee' with "chronologically correct hairline" for the early 1980s. Sammy is an integral part of VH... look at Cabo, that band is practically married with each other. If DLR is creating a problem, I doubt that Alex, Ed, and Mike will let the situation deteriorate far enough to permanently alienate Sammy. I'd wager that the other members of VH would rather not do the Stern project and lose out on all the publicity than have another breakup.

    Speaking of bullshit rumours, not that they've really taken root here on the internet, but James LaBrie and Derek Sherinian have DEFINITELY NOT LEFT DREAM THEATER. No way, no how, not possible. They wanted me to pass that word on to everyone, and it seems especially appropriate with what's happening to my favourite party band just now...

    In other news, there's a new CD update available from me. I still have to get off my lazy ass and send it to Jeff Chew for the page. It's dated 6/24/96 and contains up-to-date info on everything.

    CRITICAL MASS: I received the jewel boxes and liners, and one more box remains to be received... can you guess which? :) Shipping wll begin the moment I get 'em.

    - voluntas vincit omnia - Mike Bahr - -


    Date: Thu, 27 Jun 96 11:08:00 +0200 From: (Neil Gallop) To: Cc: Subject: Talkshows/MTV/PC on the jam... Message-ID: <>

    Hi all

    Another episode of the things that collect in my mind after reading 20 or so Jams.

    1. People are starting to talk about DT going onto some talkshow or other again. Are you insane? How can you watch these things? Usually "hosted" by some moron in a suit, pandering to the taste of an equally moronic audience, while some minor star or starlet desperately tries to promote their latest film/book/song. The attempts at humour are sub-simian, the house bands are often of the beer tent variety, and the collective IQ of the audience is less than the running time of the show in minutes. If I accidentally come across this stuff while channel hopping, my immediate reaction is usually to wish I had some heavy fire arms, lots of ammunition, and the address of the studio. Please note, this is most definately not a dig at America: the European conterparts of these shows now have the same lack of format as the American originals. Dream Theater do not belong on one of these things.

    2. MTV. Back in the 50s and 60s, everything that was bad and evil was blamed on Communism. Now that Communism is (almost) dead and gone, MTV gets the blame for everything that some of you don't like. Making things just a little too simple for yourselves perhaps? The evil empire of MTVism taking over one country after another, sending people who listen to songs longer than 3 minutes to special Gulags, where they have all but 2 strings removed from their 6 string basses before being forced to listen to rap and techno all day? Quit moaning and either shut up or do something about it - start your own TV station dedicated to 'pure' music and prog/metal (you'll be bust withing 6 months). Don't forget that nobody but nobody forces you to watch MTV or to listen to what comes out of the radio. Most TVs and radios come with a very useful feature called the 'on/off' switch or button. You yourself can choose what you want to listen to - at least that's why I buy CDs. At least MTV has got Beavis and Butt-Head and Headbangers Ball (here in Europe).

    3. Looks like the Green Day/alternative/grunge vs. Dream Theater thing is all set to go off again, which brings me to my next point: musical political correctness on the Jam. For some of you out there in cyberland, being a member of the Jam means there are certain bands that you (and consequently everybody else) must like, together with bands that are absolute taboo. Well, I'm going to come out of the closet on this one, and let you know how politically incorrect (in Jam terms) I am and intend to stay.

    I don't like the music of the following 'politically correct' bands/artists: Rush, Iron Maiden, Tori Amos, Kevin Moore, Savatage, Joe Satriani, Dixie Dregs, Marillion

    I do like the music of the following 'politically incorrect' bands/artists: Smashing Pumpkins, Nirvana, Hole, Green Day, Silverchair, Nine Inch Nails, Pennywise, Everclear

    Anybody else feel the same? Time to stand up and be counted. What pisses me off (after a year on the jam) is the number of times I've been told (either through the jam or via personal e-mail) what I'm allowed or expected to like and what I most certainly must dislike. Freedom of speech? Well... The Jam thought police are watching you.

    Oh, and one more little moan before I go. I often read things like "because we all love Dream Theater" or "Dream Theater are our gods" and so on. *I* don't love Dream Theater (or any other band for that matter): I just happen to like the music they play a lot.

    Should any of you agree with what I have to say, I would be pleased to hear from you, either in the jam or via personal e-mail. If you disagree with what I think I can only hope that you have got some nice soft, absorbent paper in your printer. Did I mention Dream Theater - must have been a mistake.

    stay safe and happy listening Neil Gallop (

    Currently playing: Amorphis - Elegy


    Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 01:30:32 PST From: Mark Smeets <> To: Subject: Cow DT and Maiden Message-ID: <>

    ** Reply to note from 06/26/96 11:26pm -0700

    After seeing that DT translated into cow language, I had this old maiden post laying around, read it and enjoy.

    Songs: Holstein of the Opera Running Free (So now the farmer's after me, that's the way it's gotta be!) Fear of the Spork Tailswatter (a song heavily related to Lord of the Flies)


    Some popular songs from the Flavor of the Beef cd include...

    Children of the Spammed (pigs can get drawn into this parody too :) Flavor of the Beef (This plate I see, could I believe? This juicy steak was real and not some tasty fantasy?) Farmland Run To The Chili Heiffer Be Thy Name

    Let's not forget the great Somewhere With Thyme CD!

    Cooked Somewhere With Thyme (If you've got a spice rack to use A jar of thyme, no time to lose would you care to sprinkle a pinch cover the whole steak inch by inch Thyme! It's cooking on this side! Thyme! It's cooking on this side!) Sea of Milkness (Like the farmer with his glove who brings the milk down from above...) Leather Can Wait (I'm looking down on some clothing below I see my hyde in the midst of a sleeve Could it be that the farmer wears jackets made from me?) Lonliness of the Long Distance Utter (Heiffer or Leather work here too) Heiffer In a Strange Land (Night and day I scanned horizon's, the fence and sky I yelled MOO! endlessly they left my body lying where they tipped it on that day The pathetic farmer couldn't lift me up, no way) Deja Moo Alexander the Steak

    Here are the complete lyrics to Wasted Steers. You may have to speed up a couple phrases to fit the original song:

    The tractor is old, older than the barn has been, and the steers go on far and wide but now it seems I'm just a heiffer by myself and bovines I sometimes knew, are inside a can for someone else

    So I swat a fly, and on this farm I roam another Hormel truck goes by in the night Is this always how it ends? All the tasty ones have gone away hearts and tounges are processed there, waiting to be flambeed

    (Chorus) So-oo-oo understand Don't waste the time searching for those wasted steers Face it! Make your stand! Try to kill the farmer while he swills his beers

    Too much time on my glands, farmer's got food on his mind buckets must be filled, so cheesily When they're taking your curd and whey It's tough to make it through another day! Oh he thinks he will survive, but he'll slip on that cow pie!

    (Chorus/solo/chorus, end with feedback and barnyard animal noises)

    Oh yea, DTC..Savatage and DT tour!!!!!


    /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\| "To each his own and his own be damned" or


    Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 13:05:57 +0200 From: To: Subject: Charone: thanks Message-ID: <v02130501adf81a4006a6@[]>

    >Was it Dave who asked about the song "Don't Look Past Me"? Yep. 'twas me. >Well anyway, it's one of the old Majesty songs. I'm not sure exactly >when they wrote it, but I really like it. In fact, it's one of my >favorite DT songs.

    Thanks, Charone. Is it on the demo?

    >There's a John Myung instructional video? Yep. Look out for my mail!

    >Wouldn't he have Yep. He does talk. He seems a bit intimidated by the camera. Although he loosens up a bit, he's sweating like hell under those spot-lights. I came to wonder if all this didn't affect his playing (a lot of fret-buzz, ya see...).


    (In the car: Death "Symbolic")

    ........................................................................ D A V E K I N G "If you see a problem where there is none, then the problem is YOU" (dk) "holding on is easier than letting go" (fw)


    Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 13:09:59 +0200 From: To: Subject: Hey Itchy Message-ID: <v02130502adf6cacdc246@[]>

    >I know top-10 lists are out of the question here (and they should be), >but I just had a thought that might make this a better place. What if >we tried our best to come up with a top-3 of possible DT-related threads >to explore. Just take out your DT collection and read all the lyrics, >or listen to every bit of DT music you own and try to find something >interesting or funny to talk about. Let me know if this is a stupid >idea... But please don't flame me for it... just read the subject...

    Hey Itchy, here's my Top 3 DT-threads:

    1. A thread about having top-3 DT-related thread lists 2. A thread about the fact that if anyone ever has an idea of a DT-related thread, he'll throw it in without waiting for another two to come up to complete his top-3 list because this could take a real lot of time and we don't really want to wait that long do we? 3. A thread about the fact that this is not a flame, but following 2., I find your idea irrelevant.

    Nothing personal.

    ........................................................................ D A V E K I N G "If you see a problem where there is none, then the problem is YOU" (dk) "holding on is easier than letting go" (fw)


    Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 14:11:25 +0200 From: Andreas Schaefer <> To: Subject: NEW DT-RUMORS!!! Message-ID: <>

    hey all you ytsejammers,

    German Music-mag "ROCK-HARD" issue july 96 / no.110 features a short topic about DT in the news-section:

    According to ROCK-HARD rumors are going on that James LaBrie is about to leave/is kicked out of the band! The same source mentions that it`s also not clear if Derek will stay in the line-up.

    PLEASE, anybody who`s close to the band or the managment check out if this is true - I hope they can deny it!

    read you - a slightly desperate yjammer - jerry ------------------------------------------------------------ no signature at the moment - ------------------------------------------------------------


    Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 06:20:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Mithrandir <> To: Subject: Power Windows dates + things Message-ID: <>

    This is for the guy who was looking for PW dates in N.Y. in July. My current schedule has only up until June 29th, but I do have their web page address for you. this page has all of their upcoming dates and a www mail link to Dan Gibson the keyboardist. If the page does not have the dates I'm sure he will.

    So far the battle in space is Star Destroyer 12 Enterprise 2 Thanks to all who have participated so far. E-mail me with your thoughts on this matter, and I'll send you mine.

    Another side project I have been working on is starting to happen finally. As you can tell from my name I am somewhat of a scholar on The Lord of the Rings, and have been compiling a book of trivia questions about the books with the help of our fellow jammer Karri K ( you will get credit Karri). Anyone interested in some cool trivia, just mail me and I'll fill your box with questions. Also my friends girlfriend is writing a screenplay for the books and we have been trying to come up with what actors and actresses would fit the roles best. Any suggestions?

    Just finished watching Tori unplugged. I must say that she is talented, but I still don't care much for her music. I can respect her as a musician though. I was kind of hoping she might do "Wait for Sleep" since DT covered one of her songs. I wonder if she has heard their version of "Winter" and what she thinks of it. Just curious!

    Mojoman: I fully agree with you about Green Day and Dream Theater. Dt requires a some concentration to enjoy, where as GD is mindless ( I hesitate to say) music, but if that is what floats your boat so be it. Also check out RUSH's FAQ. I don't believe they have sold as many albums as you think, but they still sell out everywhere they go.

    When I have gone to see DT, the fans always go nuts. I think to be a DT fan you are actually more of a fanatic. Alot are musicians, but even non musicians tend to know their stuff down to the last note. My point I think is that you don't have many casual DT fans, It's kinda you love em or hate em. With most "popular" bands you will get someone buying the album on the strength of one song, and they may not even like anything else on the album except the single. Maybe I'm a freak, but if you played me any part of any DT song I could name it in less that 3 seconds, could a casual fan of a "Popular" band do that. Just my opinion. Elen sila lumenn omentilmo, Mithrandir


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