YTSEJAM digest 1649

Date: Thu Jun 27 1996 - 14:24:13 EDT

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    Today's Topics:

      1) Power Windows dates + things
     by Mithrandir <>
      2) dumb Eddie Van Halen must be drinking again...alot!!!!!!!!
     by "Frank Benenati" <>
      3) Magna Carta's position ....
     by Mark Metzger <>
      4) Savatage DWD/Rush Tribute
     by Pat Daugherty <>
      5) JLB out?
      6) Fyoochah?
     by (Pat Sullivan)
      7) i'm being attacked by pshycho derranged ice in a glass of milk!
     by RipZero <>
      8) ok, now comes the random fun response post!
     by RipZero <>
      9) More comments from the garrulous....
     by Adam Barnhart <>
     10) Van Halen, Becker
     11) hello
     by "Ryan P. Skadberg" <>
     12) Rush/VH
     by (Andrew Miller)
     13) James's melodies.
     by Ben Laussade <>


    Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 06:20:23 -0700 (PDT)
    From: Mithrandir <>
    Subject: Power Windows dates + things
    Message-ID: <>

           This is for the guy who was looking for PW dates in N.Y. in July. My
    current schedule has only up until June 29th, but I do have their web page
    address for you. this page has all of
    their upcoming dates and a www mail link to Dan Gibson the keyboardist. If
    the page does not have the dates I'm sure he will.

           So far the battle in space is Star Destroyer 12 Enterprise 2
    Thanks to all who have participated so far. E-mail me with your thoughts on
    this matter, and I'll send you mine.

           Another side project I have been working on is starting to happen
    finally. As you can tell from my name I am somewhat of a scholar on The Lord
    of the Rings, and have been compiling a book of trivia questions about the
    books with the help of our fellow jammer Karri K ( you will get credit
    Karri). Anyone interested in some cool trivia, just mail me and I'll fill
    your box with questions. Also my friends girlfriend is writing a screenplay
    for the books and we have been trying to come up with what actors and
    actresses would fit the roles best. Any suggestions?

           Just finished watching Tori unplugged. I must say that she is
    talented, but I still don't care much for her music. I can respect her as a
    musician though. I was kind of hoping she might do "Wait for Sleep" since DT
    covered one of her songs. I wonder if she has heard their version of
    "Winter" and what she thinks of it. Just curious!

           Mojoman: I fully agree with you about Green Day and Dream Theater. Dt
    requires a some concentration to enjoy, where as GD is mindless ( I hesitate
    to say) music, but if that is what floats your boat so be it. Also check out
    RUSH's FAQ. I don't believe they have sold as many albums as you think, but
    they still sell out everywhere they go.

           When I have gone to see DT, the fans always go nuts. I think to be a
    DT fan you are actually more of a fanatic. Alot are musicians, but even non
    musicians tend to know their stuff down to the last note. My point I think
    is that you don't have many casual DT fans, It's kinda you love em or hate
    em. With most "popular" bands you will get someone buying the album on the
    strength of one song, and they may not even like anything else on the album
    except the single. Maybe I'm a freak, but if you played me any part of any
    DT song I could name it in less that 3 seconds, could a casual fan of a
    "Popular" band do that. Just my opinion.
                         Elen sila lumenn omentilmo, Mithrandir


    Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 08:19:52 -0400
    From: "Frank Benenati" <>
    To: "" <>
    Subject: dumb Eddie Van Halen must be drinking again...alot!!!!!!!!
    Message-ID: <>

    > > David Lee Roth was getting together with the band to record ONE
    > >track for a box set or greatest hits compilation. Haggar got very
    upset and
    > >his "ego got in the way". He quit and walked out of the band. VH
    > >announced a replacement yet, but David Lee Roth is an obvious

            This ain't a flame, BUT...

            can anyone see the irony of this statement????
    Listen, If I were Sammy...I would be upset too....If this is the real
                    1) Im glad Sammy left VH...
                    2) I truely hope Eddie falls on his drunk fucking face with David Lee

            Van Halen, collectively shot themselves in the foot....TWICE!!!!!
            first, asking their singer, if they could bring back a guy that screwed
    Van Halen 12 years ago.....not to mention that there has been bad blood
    between Sammy and Dave for years...
            second, once Sammy walked out, asking DLR to return...a man with no
    range....couldnt sing the post 5150 if God gave him the grace....and a BIG

            I you force out one guy....cuz he has a little pride, and then
    bring in some asshole like David Lee Roth?????

    I truely hope this isn't the true story....I'd loose a lot of respect for
    Van Halen...

    M O J O M A N


    Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 09:22:21 -0400
    From: Mark Metzger <>
    To: "'(Ytsejam)'" <>
    Subject: Magna Carta's position ....
    Message-ID: <>

    I received the following update directly from Magna Carta relating to the current status of the upcoming Rush Release:

    >> The record is to be released on
    >> August 6. Yes, the band is trying to block the release. Luckily, we have the
    >> copyright act of the U.S. on our side which, I guess, will ultimately be put
    >> to the test in court. A sad state of affairs, to be sure. But this law was
    >> made to prevent a situation such as this and we are told that no one has ever
    >> challenged it before. So we will see what the Constitution and the First
    >> Amendment stand for. Thanks for your interest.

    Remember, DT members play on this disk so there *is* DTC !!!

    Mark Metzger


    Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 09:35:26 -0400 (EDT)
    From: Pat Daugherty <>
    To: Dream Theater Mailing List <>
    Subject: Savatage DWD/Rush Tribute
    Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.960627093303.8101G-100000@bdmserver>

    To all the people who have recently picked up Dead Winter Dead, please
    remember that on two tracks the old singer sings. I prefer Zachary
    Stevens voice and I am glad that he is the regular singer.

    That was really evil to whoever posted the review of the Rush tribute,
    EVIL I tell you!!!!! It best get released in the states... and soon...

    | Pat Daugherty |
    | "Every breath leaves me one less to my last" --Dream Theater |
    | "That is not an option, Mr. Mulder" --X-Files |
    |The Baltimore Orioles-The team to beat in 1996!!!!!!! | Go DC United! |


    Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 16:07:10 +0200
    Subject: JLB out?
    Message-ID: <v02130500adf845782ef0@[]>

    >German Music-mag "ROCK-HARD" issue july 96 / no.110
    >features a short topic about DT in the news-section:
    >According to ROCK-HARD rumors are going on that James LaBrie
    >is about to leave/is kicked out of the band!

    Must be those high C's. Might as well send in a demo.

    D A V E K I N G
    "If you see a problem where there is none, then the problem is YOU" (dk)
    "holding on is easier than letting go" (fw)


    Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 12:00:23 -0400
    From: (Pat Sullivan)
    Subject: Fyoochah?
    Message-ID: <>

    >anadians and New Yorkers have very distinct accents from one another. I
    >know James talks like a Canadian. Backstage at the Birch he ended every
    >other sentence with "eh?". Now listen to some lyrics. Example: Pull Me
    >Under. "Every day sends *fyoochuh* *tah* past..." This is a very NY/LI

    The accent difference is also noticable when you compare his singing with
    the between-songs patter. I see this a lot with foreign bands, they seem to
    lose their "accent" (Bruce Dickinson, for example) when singing. I remember
    reading an article on this once where a vocalist (don't remember who) said
    that he did it deliberately.


           This space for rent...No pithy quotes need apply


    Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 11:15:21 -0500
    From: RipZero <>
    To: Heavy Metal Computer Nerds <>
    Subject: i'm being attacked by pshycho derranged ice in a glass of milk!
    Message-ID: <>

    local radio station here played Dance the Night Away this morning.....
    when it was over the DJ said "that was the new van halen.... heres the
    'old stuff'" and proceeded to play Humans Being :)

    >Didn't all the exact same rumors about the Haggar/Van Halen split come
    >up about <exactly> a year ago? I hope these are just rumors. I'm
    >really not into Van Halen, but their stuff with Roth is just so lame.

    well i'm heavily into van halen, and i love the Roth stuff.... he's the
    reason they've earned the title of the ultimate party band. dave's a
    hilarious egotistical guy.... i love him for a lot of the same reasons i
    love Yngwie. I laugh my ass of in every Yngwie interview cuz he's just
    such a dick and he likes doing it. Dave doesnt go trashing on other
    people quite like yngwie....... but the egos definately there. also,
    since getting sammy the vh stuff's guitar drive and powered distortion
    has died down....... now dont jump on my ass about "they still rock,
    just look at 'feelin'" or something, cuz i know that... but its died
    down..... and hopefully with dave again theyll all just go "hey, lets
    just rock like the old times eh?" and crank out some wicked tunes. so
    what if they dont write ballads with dave... fuck ballads... i can hear
    ballads from tons of bands, i dont hear that old time special van halen
    rock groove from ANYONE else tho, and that's what i'm psyched about with
    dave coming back. also, dave's such a publicity guy.. its fun to see
    all the strange shit he comes up with... remember the M&Ms, the midget
    bodyguards, the parachuting on stage? all in fun, thats what the rock n
    roll SCENE is all about. you GROW with bands that way... you say
    "hey, remember the time blah blah blah..." you know the guys, what
    theyre like n' all... dont get me wrong... sammy was an excellent guy,
    shreddin' guitar player, great vocalist... but he does that in solo
    albums... i'm ready to see dave back in the vocalists chair.
            Somebody get me a doctor!!


    Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 11:28:26 -0500
    From: RipZero <>
    To: Heavy Metal Computer Nerds <>
    Subject: ok, now comes the random fun response post!
    Message-ID: <>

    >Ummmmm.......Rip? Feelin' okay? :-)

    would you like to hear me gargle ccwap?

    > And you didn't even stick in a Beefquad-X plug. Or is it Insanity now?
    > :-)

    let me just say this- doesnt Beefquad-X just skream "insanity"? :) i
    mean, the name insanity says it, the name Beefquad-X PROVES it

    hey, how many of you out there would buy a cd by a band whos name was
    the sound when you stick out yor tounge and go :PbPbPbPbPbPbPbPbPb ?
    i'm just curious.......

    aslo, you wanna have some fun on the web- do a search for "java games"
    you'll find all sorts of wicked java games you can play online. i was
    playin pong, toobin', and theres even this one new doom type game called

            So, i(Beefquad-X)'ll let this po(Beefquad-X)st go to rest, time
    to mov(Beefquad-X)e on with the j(Beefquad-X)am.


    Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 09:19:57 -0700
    From: Adam Barnhart <>
    Subject: More comments from the garrulous....
    Message-ID: <>

    >From: Ben Laussade <>

    > Why is that? Besides that they're all amazing on their instruments
    >and they use a few odd time signatures once in a while, there really aren't
    >that many similarities between DT and Rush. (from what I've heard)
    >Especially the newer Rush stuff. interesting concept. DT surely is more "metal" than Rush, but I
    wouldn't say that they're that far apart, really. More that Rush has, over
    time, picked up a sound from Cream and Yes and Zeppelin and put a twist on
    it. Aside from DT's obvious progressive leanings, they've got more of a
    Maiden/Metallica kind of aggression. Which is different, but I'd say the
    band has a healthy dose of Rush in its makeup. And Portnoy's drum
    solo...well, it's impresive, but it sounds quit a bit like Neil's.

    >From: (DUSTY VESTAL)
    >Actually, I have to disagree. I reallly don't care for Hagar....Lately, alot
    >of their
    >songs have been lovey dovey and alot of them also have been sounding too
    >much alike.... As far as Dave goes, yes I remember him having an ego, but
    >at the same time, being away from the spotlight for a few years and
    >basically being a nobody might have knocked him down a notch. Plus, I don't
    >think that Eddie would have even wanted to work with him again if he was the
    >same.... Roth may have finally realized how successful VH was, even without
    >him.... I predict a different Roth...

    Well, the word I heard was that Hagar left the band and a replacement HADN'T
    been decided on. I'd prefer to see someone fresh than DLR. My
    understanding is that Hagar was very unhappy about a band that's at its
    popular apex (arguably, at least) wanted to push a Greatest Hits
    compilation...and that Sammy wasn't getting on with their new manager. As
    far as the "lovey dovey" goes, I'd rather hear "When It's Love" than
    "Amsterdam." Love is, for me, more appealing subject matter than smoking pot.

    >From: "John R. Kotzian" <>

    > Just the idea that Rush would feel that a tribute album would be
    >their death just pisses me off, and leads me to believe it's more of an
    >ego thing than anything.
    > Now, here is a band that I have admired for many years, their
    >music has been an inspiration and a learning tool in my advance as a
    >musician/songwriter. I have looked up to these guys as idols, but this
    >threat of a lawsuit is nothing more than a tantrum.
    > In many of the cover bands that I have been in, we have played a
    >shitload of our favorite Rush tunes, so what's next? are they going to
    >file a lawsuit against us?

    Sure, it's an ego thing. I think most fans of the band are somewhat
    disappointed about whatever machinations Rush management has gone through
    regarding the tribute album. But the argument in the third paragraph is a
    little off. There's a difference between recording something like that for
    posterity and playing a cover live. The notion that a tribute album points
    to them as dinosaurs is certainly's a variation on the
    argument proferred by Hagar in leaving Van Halen. Both arguments are
    certainly viable, even if I'm not sure I agree with either...

    Adam D. Barnhart

    "War doesn't determine who's right, it determines who's left."


    Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 13:24:01 -0400
    Subject: Van Halen, Becker
    Message-ID: <>

    >Ugh....I hope not. I don't think much of Dave. Van Halen, of course, has
    >been a tremendous all the way down the line, from the first record. But I
    >don't like Dave in a band of guys who can play -- he's too much ego and not
    >enough talent. He BELONGS in that whole casino/showtune scene. Listening to
    >them do "Big Bad Bill" is fun, but I prefer listening to "Summer Nights" or
    >"Mine All Mine." "Fair Warning" is a hell of a record, though....

    I know what you mean. That's kinda how I feel. I mean, I'm a VH fan either
    way, but I don't think Dave could do justice to "Love Walks In" or "Dreams"
    or "Feelin" or anything else along that line. Dave was more of a showman.
    Even though the guys were pretty young when Dave was in the band, I think
    that he gave VH more of a "childish" feeling. When Sammy joined, they matured
    a lot. You wouldn't see a song like "Hot For Teacher" or "Ice Cream Man" on
    an album with Sammy singing. I do like those songs, BTW, I just don't like
    them as much as the newer stuff. I see Sammy more as a singer and Dave as a
    performer. The reason I couldn't believe the news was because I saw VH live
    almost a year ago, and I've seen quite a few videos, and me and my cousin
    were having this conversation about a month ago how we thought VH was the
    tightest band around. They really looked that way. Fuck, they use dubbed in
    keyboard parts to keep the band tight. I guess there's more than meets the
    eye. Thats all IMHO (As if I needed to say that) I won't waste any more
    bandwidth on VH (today) ;)

    >The ALS or (Lou Gherig's)disease is a horrible one and unfortunately it
    >doesn't get much attention these days. I had the unfortunate experience of
    >confronting it up front. My mother had the disease for 6 years before she
    >passed away in January. Unfortunately, Jason not only has lost the ability
    >to finger his instrument, but he will become too weak to survive. I don't
    >want to seem like a downer on everybody or anything, I just think people
    >need to realize what's going on here. Jason is in a battle with life here,
    >and playing guitar has to become second to that battle. I agree
    >wholeheartedly that we should find a way to support him, and I wish more
    >people would. It's good that so many of you care. I just needed to get that
    >off my chest and let people know, thanks ;)

    So would anyone care to dub some of Jason's music for me? I've heard a lot
    about him and would love to hear some of his music before he passes on. If
    it's any good, I'd love to hear one of the Cacaphony (sp.) albums.



    Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 13:47:17 -0400 (EDT)
    From: "Ryan P. Skadberg" <>
    Subject: hello
    Message-ID: <>

    Hey all ...

            Its me again. Behind a few days on reading jams, so here comes
    another long one.

    YTSEJAM 1642

    Itchy (not Bitchy, well most of the time :) wrote:

    > I know top-10 lists are out of the question here (and they should be),
    > but I just had a thought that might make this a better place. What if
    > we tried our best to come up with a top-3 of possible DT-related threads
    > to explore.

    Well, this could be a good idea if done well. I would say, the best
    way to do it would be to have everyone send Itchy ideas over the next
    week. Maybe send them with a title of YTSEJAM IDEAS or something, and
    then after a week or so of submissions, compile a full list of
    all the suggestions and post em to the jam. The main problem with
    doing this directly on the jam is that there will be alot of repeated
    ideas as well as old threads which have died (and which will stay dead)
    which may cause alot of clutter and possibly some ugly God or NIN
    discussions started up again.

    YTSEJAM 1643

    Mike Bradley wrote:

    > Calling Bafu!

    He's gone for the summer :(

    Ryan Rafaloff wrote:

    > DT had only hours to learn The Big Medley.

    That's not entirely true. They played most of the songs from the
    big medley at their instrumental show at the Sundance in 1990.

    YTSEJAM 1644

    That was too easy

    YTSEJAM 1645
    ------------ copied a bunch of what I said in to a message and then
    didn't say anything. I don't get it :(

    Since Todd's sticker posts were in here, the new sticker info is
    on the web at:


    I will add a picture as soon as the stickers arrive and I can scan one.

    Robert Quezada wrote:

    > Maybe I missed something over the past few jams. Does this mean that
    > David Prater isn't producing the new album? One could hope....

    Well, according to John they have yet to make a definate decision.

    YTSEJAM 1646

    The WWW Generated Mail thing....

            I tried to hunt it down with no luck. I looked at all
    the pages on nermal and was still unable to find it. Also noone
    from ncsu is currently subscribed, so I think the biggest thing is to
    find someone who did send from that page to mail me and tell me where
    the fuck it is :)

    (I have to respond to this, i just have to)
    Graham wrote:

    > No, Garbage have that sexy Scottish girl singer :-)

    So so so so so so so so so so true :)

    Ben wrote:

    Some shit about food and then:
    > Note: Do NOT SEND THESE to ME personally. Send all puns to the Jam. :-)

    Don't send em to the jam either. Ben, if you wanna see this kind of
    stuff, that's a personal thing and not something for the whole jam,
    because they will get annoying real fast. If you really want people
    to send these, have them send em to you and then you can post a full
    list to the jam.

    YTSEJAM 1647

    Another easy one :)

    YTSEJAM 1648

    and another easy one :)

    That's all for direct replies ...

    more in a bit


    | Ryan P Skadberg                          |
    | s y s t e m . a d m i n i s t r a t o r / w e b . d e v e l o p  e r  |
    | |
    \    "And every prayer we pray at night has somehow lost its meaning"   /
     \                "Dead Winter Dead"  - Savatage                       /


    Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 12:58:17 From: (Andrew Miller) To: Subject: Rush/VH Message-ID: <>

    >From: > >I agree with John Kotzian. I'm very surprised with Rush's reaction to the >"Working Man" CD. They should be honored. This is a TRIBUTE album >after-all!!

    i agree as well. i have the utmost respect for Rush as musicians, but i think they're acting like total pricks about this. after all, it's Magna Carta. i can't believe Rush is freaking out over a tribute album that's being released by a small, relatively unknown independent label. i'm especially bothered by it given the level of talent that appears on the album. it's not like a bunch wannabes are playing their songs...

    i don't know. all i have left to say about it is that i'm _definitely_ buying the album.

    now about the whole Van Halen thingy.... i'm sure Charlie could use a job. :-)

    seeya Andrew ================================================== Andrew Miller - Songwriter/Keyboardist/Singer - SubtleRage (progressive rock) - Interum (new age/prog instrumental) ==================================================


    Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 11:09:09 -0700 From: Ben Laussade <> To: Subject: James's melodies. Message-ID: <>

    >Canadians and New Yorkers have very distinct accents from one another. I >know James talks like a Canadian. Backstage at the Birch he ended every >other sentence with "eh?". Now listen to some lyrics. Example: Pull Me >Under. "Every day sends *fyoochuh* *tah* past..."

    I don't know...most singers don't talk the same way that they sing. Kind of an exaggerated example, but death metal singers probably don't scream and growl all the time at home. Now, I have no idea who writes the melodies, so I have no information to back that up..just wanted to say something, because I like to think that everybody has SOME part in the writing process.

    >Remember LiT's "UaGM"? He's damn >tearing those high notes!

    Coolest part about that is when he sings "Bear this honor in myyuah...NAAAAAAAAAAYEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAMMMMMME!!!!!" Singing "name" up an octave higher and using that cool raspy voice with lotsa vibrato. Whenever I hear the song now, I always sing it like that....except an octave lower. And I STILL have to strain to get it.

    >I agree with John Kotzian. I'm very surprised with Rush's reaction to the >"Working Man" CD. They should be honored. This is a TRIBUTE album after-all!!

    They probably ARE honored, but in their minds (somebody said this before) bands only get tributes after they're retired and done with (and maybe this is true), and they're obviously not finished making music, so they don't want to be dead before they're dead yet.

    >1. People are starting to talk about DT going onto some talkshow or other again. >Are you insane? How can you watch these things? Usually "hosted" by some moron >in a suit, pandering to the taste of an equally moronic audience, while some >minor star or starlet desperately tries to promote their latest film/book/song.

    Hey! Those are the GOOD ones! The bad ones are where there's a completely screwwed up panel of lesbian motorcycle riding giraffe masturbating radioactive hamsters and the host, who is usually about as smart as a retarded ant, desperately tries to get them into a fight.

    >Well, I'm going >to come out of the closet on this one, and let you know how politically >incorrect (in Jam terms) I am and intend to stay.

    Awright! Go Neil! You tell 'em, buddy. But the thing is...I've gotten to the point where I don't care what other people like, and your post seemed like an advertisement of "I WANNA BE DIFFERENT DAMMIT", but I could be wrong and it was just fuming from all the anger inside of you that got there because of reading about people who dislike bands that you like in which case IGNORE THEM AND TURN UP THE NIN!!!!!!!!!!

    >3. A thread about the fact that this is not a flame, but following 2., I >find your idea irrelevant. > >Nothing personal.

    Hey Dave. Follow the dotted lines........

    >According to ROCK-HARD rumors are going on that James LaBrie >is about to leave/is kicked out of the band! The same source >mentions that it`s also not clear if Derek will stay in the >line-up.

    Please refer to Mr. Mike Bahr's post a few pages up.

    >Also my friends girlfriend is writing a screenplay >for the books and we have been trying to come up with what actors and >actresses would fit the roles best. Any suggestions?

    Danny DeVito can play The Hobbit. And Marilyn Manson could be Golem. Ya think? :-) The cartoon version of The Hobbit kicked ass, btw....

    >Maybe I'm a freak, but if you played me any part of any >DT song I could name it in less that 3 seconds, could a casual fan of a >"Popular" band do that. Just my opinion. should come play DT lyric trivia with us on IRC, Mythreindeer. Maybe I'd finally have a challenge. ;-)


    And I listen openly.... Ben Laussade


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