YTSEJAM digest 1650

Date: Thu Jun 27 1996 - 20:09:49 EDT

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    Today's Topics:

      1) Rush Tribute
      2) Sammy & Hogy Rule!
     by Mark Bredius <>
      3) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1648
     by The Cow God <>
      4) Re: Rush Tribute
     by Neil Elliott <101352.3261@CompuServe.COM>
      5) kevin moore
     by matt rosin <>
      6) Rumor theory / music survey
     by Scott Luttringer <>
      7) "Innocence Faded" Transcription!!!
     by "Asi Louzon" <>
      8) Square Cows
     by Ben Laussade <>
      9) things
     10) Puns/Rush/VH
     by Pat Daugherty <>
     11) Skyway of Nightmares boot FS/T
     by Greg Slang <>
     12) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1648
     by (Larry Odneal)
     13) questions about birch hill tape, and Bahr's cds
     by Tymoteusz Altman <>


    Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 14:27:10 -0400
    Subject: Rush Tribute
    Message-ID: <>

    After reading Stephane's post about the Rush tribute album, i just gotta say
    that i can't wait for it. It sounds awesome. I just hope those guys let
    their egos down long enough to allow it to be released here in the USA.

    But, alas, now i'm off to be a *Working Man*...

                      / "I am the way, I am the light, I am the \
                     / dark inside the night. I hear your hopes, I \
                     \ feel your dreams, and in the dark I hear /
                      \ your screams." -- Savatage, "Believe" /
                                  | IMXTNIT@AOL.COM |


    Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 19:36:08 +-200
    From: Mark Bredius <>
    To: "'Majesty-Mailinglist'" <>
    Subject: Sammy & Hogy Rule!
    Message-ID: <>

    Mike Estok said on Jam #1646

    > Now, only if the same could happen to Steve Hogarth.....

    Would you really like Fish to re-join Marillion, in the state he's in
    now ? He can't sing to save his freakin' life anymore. Have you heard
    him live lately ? Did you buy those Yin & Yang CD's ? Personally, I
    was very shocked when I heard his voice on those discs. Steve Hogarth
    OTOH is a brilliant singer. Personally, I would prefer to see Fish
    join Genesis, as long as he isn't going to be a Phil Collins rip-off.

    I feel the same way about Diamond Dave. I saw him on Leno a while back.
    He looked and sounded pathetic... Still singing that same old song...
    Ok, California girls *are* cool (Hi Charone), but does he really have
    to keep singing about it ? IM-VH-O, VH with DLR *WILL* SUCK :)
    Dave is way too 80's for Van Halen. Sammy Rulez !
    Yuck, just thinking about it makes me sick, sorry...
    No flames please. Remember, this is all IM-VH-O <--

    Mike, do you feel the same way about JLB and Chuck D. ? <--- minimum DTC

    :) :) :)

    - - -

    D A V E K I N G said on Jam #1648

    > Subject: Hey Itchy
    > I find your idea irrelevant.
    > Nothing personal.

    I find most of your posts irrelevant.
    Nothing personal. :) :) :)
     ()___() When you list all the qualities that you despise (__(q` )
     (q(")p) And you realise... You're describing yourself ~_) | \
    __] ^ [__________________________________________________________\_/_( )
    Bitchy (NOT Itchy), - Mark Bredius,
               "When things just can't get any worse, they will."


    Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 14:38:36 -0300
    From: The Cow God <>
    Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1648
    Message-ID: <>

    Hey everyone, just thought I'd inform all who care (I know who you are, you can both put
    your hands down :) that I'm back on the computer. And now a word from our, um, me.

    > 2) news
    > by "Ryan P. Skadberg" <>
    > 3) Van Halen
    > by zebrowski steven <>

    > 9) Big music announcements about Stone Temple Pilots and Van Halen
    > by (Heath Augustover)

    God, how many times do we have to hear the same news about VH?


    I know how this works, everyone hears it, everyone sends it in, everyone sees everyone
    else's posts, everyone says oops. I've done it too. It was just a comment.

    > 10) =VH= - Calm down!
    > by Michael Bahr <>

    Thank you, Mike. :)


    > From: Monty Newberry <>
    > Subject: bass instruction
    > I had asked about a JM bass instructional video. Again, if
    > anybody know about this, PLEASE let me know. Also, for that matter, if

    Yeah, please let me know too. When the Metropolis bass solo was posted, someone
    mentioned seeing JM do it that way on 'the video' I think. Please enlighten us.


    > From: Michael Bahr <>
    > Subject: =VH= - Calm down!

    [snipped - you saw it in the last jam]

    I was reading this, and I was saying to myself, "Wow, now this person knows how
    to respond. He's being logical and clear." Then I looked up at the header and saw
    it was Mike B. That explains it.


    > From: (Neil Gallop)
    > Subject: Talkshows/MTV/PC on the jam...
    > 1. People are starting to talk about DT going onto some talkshow or other again.
    > Are you insane? How can you watch these things? Usually "hosted" by some moron

    No, RipZero said it once and he was kidding, I think.

    > I don't like the music of the following 'politically correct' bands/artists:
    > Rush, Iron Maiden, Tori Amos, Kevin Moore, Savatage, Joe Satriani, Dixie Dregs,
    > Marillion

    Well, I would say you're missing out, but then that's my opinion. I do not condemn
    you, I do not hate you. Chill out. :)

    > I do like the music of the following 'politically incorrect' bands/artists:
    > Smashing Pumpkins, Nirvana, Hole, Green Day, Silverchair, Nine Inch Nails,
    > Pennywise, Everclear

    I don't think Nirvana or NIN are considered horrible, nasty, or "politically incorrect"
    here. I like them, anyway. The rest, yeah, I think the general feeling is that they are
    not exactly our first choice in music. I do not say "Green Day Sucks." I say "Billie Joe
    is not a very good guitarist and I really dislike most of their music." This is bsically
    all a person can rightfully say. You can state facts (As far as technical skill goes, I'm
    better than our friend Mr. Armstrong, and I'm not exactly Vai, so I think I can say that
    he's not very good...) and you can state opinions and feelings (To me, most of Dookie is
    OK if you're not looking for music that will make you listen with your mouth open). No-one
    can say that a certain band sucks (well, OK, I guess the people in the band can. Remember
    Primus at Woodstock? "Hello. We're Primus. We Suck." That kicked ass. :) And that's all I
    have to say about that.

    > Anybody else feel the same? Time to stand up and be counted. What pisses me off
    > (after a year on the jam) is the number of times I've been told (either through
    > the jam or via personal e-mail) what I'm allowed or expected to like and what I
    > most certainly must dislike. Freedom of speech? Well... The Jam thought police
    > are watching you.
    > Oh, and one more little moan before I go. I often read things like "because we
    > all love Dream Theater" or "Dream Theater are our gods" and so on. *I* don't
    > love Dream Theater (or any other band for that matter): I just happen to like
    > the music they play a lot.

    No-one can tell you what you have to like to be here. However, it would not be very
    smart to join a mailing list about Dream Theater if you hate DT. Most Ytse-jammers
    assume people here love DT because only a die-hard DT fan would be willing to put
    up with 40-70 pages of mail a day from that one digest alone (Those are not made-up
    numbers). :)

    Oh, and this part of my message also gets a


    sticker. Thanks for listening.


    > From: Mark Smeets <>
    > Subject: Cow DT and Maiden
    > After seeing that DT translated into cow language, I had
    > this old maiden post laying around, read it and enjoy.

    Which Jam is that in? I would very much like to see that, for obvious reasons. Please
    reply personally (


    > From:
    > Subject: Charone: thanks
    > >There's a John Myung instructional video?
    > Yep. Look out for my mail!
    > >Wouldn't he have
    > Yep. He does talk. He seems a bit intimidated by the camera. Although he
    > loosens up a bit, he's sweating like hell under those spot-lights. I came
    > to wonder if all this didn't affect his playing (a lot of fret-buzz, ya
    > see...).

    Ah, thanks. I'd still like more info tho (how I can get it, price, etc). I guess
    you should reply personally... my address is above.

    -The Cow God-


    Daniel McCormack

    "All the dead greenery, sacrificed for you and me I'm the one who cares for them - I'm a Carnatarian" - Chris Merlo (D-Man), Carnatarian, Polio Dog

    "They couldn't hit an elephant at this dist-" - General John Sedgewick, Union Commander in the Civil War, speaking his last words.


    Date: 27 Jun 96 14:58:27 EDT From: Neil Elliott <101352.3261@CompuServe.COM> To: "" <> Subject: Re: Rush Tribute Message-ID: <960627185826_101352.3261_JHP41-1@CompuServe.COM>

    Like Stephane Auzilleau I also received a taped copy of the Rush tribute album this week, and as he stated it is impressive. I also have to agree that most of the songs on there are TOO similar to their original versions. What was really needed was a bit of off the wall variety: a thrash or some alternative version of one or two songs just to spice it up a bit. But the quality and musicianship is as expected exceptional, and makes a great listen for any rock fan whether or not you like Rush.

    Buy it, if and when you get the chance to in N. America, or we'll start an export business from Europe!!!!!

    Finally, just to endorse what Mike Bahr stated concerning the DT rumours that James & Derek are on the way out. I was in contact with Mike P. today, and the band including James and Derek are currently in NY for 2 more weeks of writing and demoing. As they say, do not always believe all you read in the music press!

    Neil Elliott

    Director of The DTIFC ********************************************** If I had all the money I'd spent on drink, I'd spend it on drink - Sir Henry Rawlinson **********************************************


    Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 14:04:37 -0500 From: matt rosin <> To: Subject: kevin moore Message-ID: <>

    well, folks, i FINALLY got copies of "music meant to be heard" and "chroma key". i really like them both. i have one big observation, though...

    pardon me while i slip into something flame-retardant...;)

    is it just me, or is kevin's voice much cooler than labries?

    now, let me explain before you go fucking nuts and losing your heads over this:

    my main problem with labrie (beside the annoying screeching he does live) is that, since his style is so operatic, many of his vocals come off as if he's acting and sound very contrived. imho, most prog singers have this same problem, with the exception of geoff tate (listen to "someone else" if you want some strong emotion). granted, labrie is more technicaly skillful and gifted than kevin is vocally, but much of what he does comes off as hollow for me. what i find so wonderful about kevin's voice is that it is obvious from the first note that there is real, intense emotion is every single word that he sings, and i find that very powerful. i also find his voice rather soothing. technically, james is better (although kevin's vocals improved dramatically between "music meant to be heard" and "chroma key"), but i much prefer kevin's vocals because they sound much more sincere and REAL.

    well, i curious to hear what you all have to say about this.

    btw, to those of you who disliked "sounds like watercolor", what are you thinking? that song is extremely original. just because it isn't as prog-oriented as the other 2 songs doesn't make it inferior. i think it's the best one on the tape, personally, but then again i listen to a lot of music that nobody else on the jam listens to, so what do i know?

    take care, matt.


    Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 12:17:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Scott Luttringer <> To: YTSE JAM DIGEST <> Subject: Rumor theory / music survey Message-ID: <>

    Hi All:

    Here's my theory on the rumor about James and Derek leaving DT. I say the guy's at ROCK-HARD are subscribed to this list and wanted to create some DT content! :)

    Please (if you haven't already) take a few moments to answer my music survey. The questions are as follows:

    1) How many CD's do you own?

    2) How many hours of music do you listen to per day?

    Thanks to everyone who has responded to me so far. Please be sure to send all responses to me at : .....Not the jam.


    -/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/- Scott Luttringer

    "For the first time in a long time...everything was right in my world...and then I woke up." Dream Theater "A Fortune In Lies"



    Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 22:06:06 +0000 From: "Asi Louzon" <> To: Subject: "Innocence Faded" Transcription!!! Message-ID: <>

    Hey All.

    I wonder, does anyone of those crazy guys, who are sitting there all night for us, to play DT stuff that we can't figure out ourselfes, HAVE ANY TRANSCRIPTION TO "INNOCENCE FADED"???? This is a great song, and i would like to play it, but I can't figure it out myself. Please, if you have it, send it to me directly. 10x. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ X X Asi Louzon X X | | ++++ ++++ "Time has a way of taking time, Loneliness is not only felt by fools. ....My whole life is work built on the past But the time has come, when all things shall pass, This good thing passed away. In My Darkest Hour." -Megadeth So Far So Good So What. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


    Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 12:15:36 -0700 From: Ben Laussade <> To: Subject: Square Cows Message-ID: <>

    >let me just say this- doesnt Beefquad-X just skream "insanity"? :) i >mean, the name insanity says it, the name Beefquad-X PROVES it

    I dunno, Rip..."Beefquad-X" is like one of those names you say in the CD store and go home and tell people about it, like "The Sweaty Nipples" and "Sheep on Drugs". At least with Insanity we can be true to our name and still have a few people take us seriously. :-)

    >Which is different, but I'd say the >band has a healthy dose of Rush in its makeup. And Portnoy's drum >solo...well, it's impresive, but it sounds quit a bit like Neil's.

    Elaborate, please...if he had stolen a Dennis Chambers solo would they sound like whatever bands he's played with? What makes up the healthy dose of Rush?

    >Don't send em to the jam either. Ben, if you wanna see this kind of >stuff, that's a personal thing and not something for the whole jam, >because they will get annoying real fast. If you really want people >to send these, have them send em to you and then you can post a full >list to the jam.

    Awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww. :-) You can't tell me you didn't laugh at Images and Curds!!! :-) And, in that case Skadz, stop sending puns to me or anybody...cuz I'm too lazy to organize stuff like that. <grin>

    Take these chances, place them in a box until a quieter time. Lights down, you up and die.

    And I listen openly.... Ben Laussade


    Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 16:24:06 -0400 From: To: Subject: things Message-ID: <>

    first of all, to all you 47-chromosomed freaks with your "cream theatre" and "images and pies".......yo! you gotta tell me where you get your crack, cause i think i'd like some of it for the pfunk show next week.

    when whoever it was mentioned petrucci doing "jacob's ladder" on the rush trib, i went off and put the original on, and fantasized.....and here is what i came up with....

    a very fat load of distortion, and just wailing notes tearing up various openings in my body (including, yes, you guessed it, my ass), and porntoy committing unspeakable crimes to me with his bass drum.

    basically, that means i think it will sound really good, and neil gallop, if the above thoughts don't make you "love" dt, i don't know what's wrong with you.......

    ps- please email me regarding your very interesting concept of pc and non-pc bands/musicians. i'm not sure how satch especially ended up there....

    dman- what's up with our "dtrug deal", i mean trade?? you never got back to me. respond me, you fiendish wedge!!

    where's bafu?? i miss him........<sniff>, and while we're at it, where the hell is air dance? or ldyicefire? or the metallica threads.

    speaking of sellouts and the likes, i've been thinking a bit about that whole issue, and if and when the new dt album comes out and after a few listenings and complaints that "dt sold out", i will have a juicy theory for you all.

    the jp clinic at manny's in case you hadn't heard (i sure haven't, which is why i called) is: unconfirmed. those fools thought i was on crack when i asked. oh well. whatever.

    peace out, punks. ***************************************************************** david yoichi kobayashi guitars, keyboards.

    binghamton university. class of 97.

    "me? i'm just the lawnmower- you can tell me by the way i walk." -p. gabriel *****************************************************************


    Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 16:35:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Pat Daugherty <> To: Dream Theater Mailing List <> Subject: Puns/Rush/VH Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.960627163120.1597F-100000@bdmserver>

    Skadz wrote: >> Note: Do NOT SEND THESE to ME personally. Send all puns to the Jam. :-) > >Don't send em to the jam either. Ben, if you wanna see this kind of >stuff, that's a personal thing and not something for the whole jam, >because they will get annoying real fast. If you really want people >to send these, have them send em to you and then you can post a full >list to the jam.

    Thank You!!!!!! I was bored and annoyed after the first puns months ago...

    I don't get Rush. Dont they realize that they are getting honored while they still are around. Would they rather only be honored when they are dead? I just think they have a real big ego.

    This VH thing is crazy. I can't picture Roth singing anything 5150+ Maybe VH should pick up a progmetal type vocalist. That could be really interesting....

    |-----------------------------------------------------------------------| | Pat Daugherty | |=======================================================================| | "Every breath leaves me one less to my last" --Dream Theater | | "That is not an option, Mr. Mulder" --X-Files | |-----------------------------------------------------------------------| |The Baltimore Orioles-The team to beat in 1996!!!!!!! | Go DC United! | |-----------------------------------------------------------------------|


    Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 16:54:20 -0400 (EDT) From: Greg Slang <> To: Subject: Skyway of Nightmares boot FS/T Message-ID: <>

    I have a bootleg from Augsburg Rockfabrik Germany on 07/04/93 that I want to sell or trade. The setlist is as follows:

    Metropolis A Fortune in Lies Under a Glass Moon Surrounded Ytse Jam Another Day Pull Me Under Take the Time Wait for Sleep Eve Learning to Live

    and is a single CD. Again, anyone interested in buying it or making a trade for it, please e-mail me at

    I'm looking to sell for about $20.00 or trade for a single DT boot CD.


    Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 15:48:40 -0700 From: (Larry Odneal) To: Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1648 Message-ID: <>

    Mike Bahr wrote:

    >James LaBrie and Derek Sherinian have >DEFINITELY NOT LEFT DREAM THEATER. No way, no how, not possible. They >wanted me to pass that word on to everyone

    Uh, OK, haven't heard that one . . .

    Then Andreas Schaefer wrote:

    >According to ROCK-HARD rumors are going on that James LaBrie >is about to leave/is kicked out of the band! The same source >mentions that it`s also not clear if Derek will stay in the >line-up. >PLEASE, anybody who`s close to the band or the managment check >out if this is true - I hope they can deny it! >

    Mike, you're the greatest - stopping rumors before we even hear 'em!


    And in-between, Neil Gallop wrote:

    >start your own TV station dedicated to 'pure' >music and prog/metal (you'll be bust withing 6 months) . . . . > >Did I mention Dream Theater - must have been a mistake.

    Jeeez, Neil, who pissed in YOUR Wheaties?

    BTW, I just heard a rumor that DT is auditioning Sammy - IT'S A JOKE, DAMMIT!


    Sir Reality


    Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 16:59:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Tymoteusz Altman <> To: Subject: questions about birch hill tape, and Bahr's cds Message-ID: <>

    I have a question for those of you who participated in the Birch Hill tape tree. I received my copy a little while ago, and I was very pleased with the quality of the recording. However i'm not sure if i received the tapes as they were intended to be recorded. For one thing, Scarred was not completely there. it was on the beginning of side B on tape 2, and came in about half way. Was that how it originally came? If not, is someone willing to make me another copy (preferrably one of you who were the original dub sites for the tree, and therefore have a good quality tape)? also, is there a J-card available for the tapes, with all the track listings, and other info (date, etc.). I'm also wondering if there have been any of you who have waited to get CD's from Mike Bahr for longer than a reasonable amount of time. I know that most people probably get theirs within a reasonable amount of time, but i'm wondering if i'm the only one who's been waiting for 6 months now, to receive WDATU. I'm waiting for AQ and SFAM as well, but for less than that, since i only paid for them a while ago. It's WDATU that i'm worried about. i emailed mike about it several times, since it came out, and apparantly once it came back to him undelivered. he told me that it was resent, but i still haven't seen it. so it appears as if it's been lost in the mail or something. i'm giving up hope, so i'm just wondering if there are others who waited that long, and finally received theirs.




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