YTSEJAM Digest 1655
Today's Topics:
1) rising from the ashes
by "J. Christian Jens" <jjens@cais.com>
2) James Out?
by DjEbacher@aol.com
3) Goodbye
by DreamNDay@aol.com
4) La Di Da
by "Ryan P. Skadberg" <skadberg@wicked.stigmata.org>
5) Re: La Di Da
by Jon Byrne <rael@access.mountain.net>
6) Fret buzz, tributes, VH, MB's discs
by rterry@inforamp.net (Rick Terry)
7) DT/Rainbow tour, vocal styles, sign language
by rterry@inforamp.net (Rick Terry)
8) IM*.*, DT touring with VH, Kentucky fried hospitality
by rterry@inforamp.net (Rick Terry)
9) Re: Jars of Clay
by dantemm@erinet.com (Dan Temmesfeld)
10) Galactic Cowboys' News (NDTC)
by dantemm@erinet.com (Dan Temmesfeld)
11) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1654
by rterry@inforamp.net (Rick Terry)
12) Wow. I had a thought.
by Ben Laussade <laussade@enet.net>
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Date: Sun, 30 Jun 1996 11:03:51 -0400 (EDT)
From: "J. Christian Jens" <jjens@cais.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: rising from the ashes
Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.93.960630104734.7955B-100000@cais.cais.com>
howdy folx. yes, it's me. yes, i disappeared sometime back in march. yes,
i'll spare u the details -if u really want to know, email me. but yes, i'm
back.
the whole DT/Tori/feeling/emotion thing, including:
> Does breathing heavily and moaning constitute plenty of feeling? I agree
> that some of her stuff is moving, but perhaps for other reasons. Please
> elaborate.
yes...and no. it's a package deal. something like form following function.
presentation plays a large role. i'm not saying that it's essential to see
her sing...it's more like an added boner, er, bonus :)
Dream Theater (woah, i spelled it out) are v-technical. i also find them
to be v-emotional. ex: Scared. eh, maybe it's just me tho.
misc crap:
> It's good to see more old-school Jammers coming back.
hey d-man :)
alt.music.dream-theater is quite lame.
later,
j o h n s a v e u r @ c a i s . c o m
e
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s h t t p : / / w w w . s i t e . g m u . e d u / ~ j j e n s /
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Date: Sun, 30 Jun 1996 11:32:08 -0400
From: DjEbacher@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: James Out?
Message-ID: <960630113206_228091278@emout19.mail.aol.com>
Help,
I have read a rumor in Noise Pollution Magazine #9 (Can be found at
htt://www.noiserecords.com/noise.html {in news section}) that Dream Theater
has dismissed James LaBrie. Is this true? Can it be possible? Why?
What is going on?
Dave
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Date: Sun, 30 Jun 1996 11:45:24 -0400
From: DreamNDay@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Goodbye
Message-ID: <960630114522_146021161@emout14.mail.aol.com>
Well, folks, It looks like goodbye. At least for now. As of this evening, I
will be residing in beautiful Valley Stream, Long Island. It's been fun
knowing you, and I've had some good times with you guys, especially on IRC.
And who knows. It may just be for the summer. If I decide to stay, I'll
probably get a computer there. When I go back to ARKVILLE to visit, I'll post
something to let you know how I'm doing. I'll probably check my mail one last
time before I go. If you wanna mail me, feel free. One last thing. Augie: I
lost your address and phone number. Would you please send them to me? I asked
Itchy to give you my phone number. Lets keep in touch, buddy. Wanna go to the
Con together? To whoever is taking names for the Con, put me down as a maybe.
Well, I'm real busy today, so I gotta go. It's been a blast!
later--------------Brian
(Seize the day and don't you cry. Now it's time to say goodbye. Even though I
am gone I will live on!)
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Date: Sun, 30 Jun 1996 12:20:49 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Ryan P. Skadberg" <skadberg@wicked.stigmata.org>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: La Di Da
Message-ID: <199606301620.MAA18596@wicked.stigmata.org>
Hey all ....
Just a few quick comments.....
Someone had said something about dubbing Jason Becker and someone
else mentioned getting Music Meant to Be Heard and ChromaKey which sounded
like he had gotten a dub of ChromaKey... Well, basically what I wanted to
say is DO NOT dub commerical CDs, tapes, etc. We all bitch and complain
about how the music we like never get to be heard and how it is not
popular, well, these bands NEED the support of fans like us going out
and BUYING their CDs, Tapes, etc. Bootlegs are a different story because
the bands and record companies don't get a part of the profits, but when
it comes to released material, they need that support to be able to put
out new albums.
Just one other quicky... Someone asked how to get off this mailing list,
just follow the instructions below and you should be fine:
Tools needed: one hammer, one scredriver, one pair of pliers, one
heavy-duty pair of wire cutters, one bucket of saline water, a box of
sani-wipes.
Step #1: Stop payment on any checks that you may have sent to your
Internet Service Provider (GOD).
Step #2: If GOD is unresponsive and you are still receiving mail from this
list, you will need to find the "mailhost". This is a machine usually
located in a locked office. Every day around noon, the mailman will
deliver a box of diskettes with that day's mail messages, including yours
from this list, to this machine. Typically, only a handful of people have
keys to the "mailhost". The reason why this machine is locked up is
because this is typically the best, fastest, most powerful computer at
your facility and the people with keys don't want to share it. If you
must, break or pry the door down with one (1) hammer (you did get all the
tools needed?).
Step #3: find the ON/OFF switch for this machine. Using the pliers, set
the switch to the OFF position by tugging downwards until the disposable
plastic switch breaks away from the computer casing. Discard the
disposable plastic switch in an environmentally-friendly manner. This
will alert the mailman to no longer deliver the diskettes with the
messages to the "mailhost" not unlike the little red flag found on
mailboxes. This should resolve your mail problem immediately.
Step #4: You may experience a recurrence of mail within 72 hours.
If this should happen, you will need to disable the "mailhost" once again
with more forceful measures. Repeat Step #2. Do not be suprised if there
is a sturdier door in place than the one you destroyed previously. This
is due to the fact that the "Have Key" clique found out that someone has
seen their private stash of computer equipment.
Step #5: After you have once again regained entry into the "mailhost"
room, open up the back of the "mailhost". There may be a large tv-like
device on top of the "mailhost" You will need to remove this first. Take
your wire cutters, and cut any cables binding the tv-like device to the
"mailhost". Set the tv-like device to the side. With your screwdriver,
remove each and every screw that you can find on the "mailhost". Shake
vigorously. Once this is done, the "mailhost" should break away into two
or more pieces. Do not be alarmed, this is normal.
Step #5: Find a large box with a fan attached to it. It will be clearly
marked with the following labels: "Danger" "High Voltage" "Do not open -
no user-servicable parts". Do not be alarmed, these labels are in place
merely to satisfy OSHA requirements and you are not in any danger at all.
Tak the bucket of saline water and pour it into any vents or ports that
the large box may have. Any extra water should be poured directly into
the computer chassis, be sure to properly soak each and every component.
Step #6: In the event of fire (OSHA has been known to be right on
occassion), douse any flames with the sani-wipes.
This solution is provided without warranty. It is not bio-degradable or
fat-free. In the event of sudden death, contact a physician immediately.
:)
Later
Skadz
-- +-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+ | Ryan P Skadberg skadz@mindstorm.com | | s y s t e m . a d m i n i s t r a t o r / w e b . d e v e l o p e r | | http://www.bluesky.net/skadz/ http://www.dreamt.org/ | +-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+ \ "And every prayer we pray at night has somehow lost its meaning" / \ "Dead Winter Dead" - Savatage / +-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+------------------------------
Date: Sun, 30 Jun 1996 12:40:20 -0400 From: Jon Byrne <rael@access.mountain.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: La Di Da Message-ID: <1.5.4.16.19960701124035.24c7265a@access.mountain.net>
At 09:24 AM 6/30/96 -0700, Skadz wrote:
> Someone had said something about dubbing Jason Becker and someone >else mentioned getting Music Meant to Be Heard and ChromaKey which sounded >like he had gotten a dub of ChromaKey... Well, basically what I wanted to >say is DO NOT dub commerical CDs, tapes, etc. We all bitch and complain >about how the music we like never get to be heard and how it is not >popular, well, these bands NEED the support of fans like us going out >and BUYING their CDs, Tapes, etc. Bootlegs are a different story because >the bands and record companies don't get a part of the profits, but when >it comes to released material, they need that support to be able to put >out new albums.
Sorry Skadz, but I have to take issue with this. I trade commercial CDs and tapes with folks to expose them (and myself) to new bands/styles. If a particular band strikes my fancy, I'll buy the CD (and I advise everone to do the same). Without trades, some bands like Gentle Giant and Camel wouldn't have gotten any royalties from me, 'cause I would never have bought the albums without knowing what the bands sounded like. In the end, I think trading, done correctly, help bands more than hurt.
Have you ever made a DT tape for someone in hope of "converting" them?
Just had to fire that off before I went out of town. :)
BTW, isn't it a bit hypocritical to tell people not to trade commercial tapes but advocate bootlegging, which is equally illegal?
Jonathan Byrne rael@access.mountain.net http://access.mountain.net/~rael/jdbhome2.htm West Virginia University College of Law ----------------------------------------------------------------- "Any major dude with half a heart Surely would tell you my friend, Any minor world that breaks apart Falls together again." -"Any Major Dude", Steely Dan
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Date: Sun, 30 Jun 1996 16:50:46 GMT From: rterry@inforamp.net (Rick Terry) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Fret buzz, tributes, VH, MB's discs Message-ID: <31d6a866.81234@mail.inforamp.net>
Howdy Jamsters, (hamsters listening to DT)
>> to wonder if all this didn't affect his playing (a lot of fret-buzz, ya >> see...). > >Ah, thanks. I'd still like more info tho (how I can get it, price, etc). I guess >you should reply personally... my address is above. > > >Moo, >-The Cow God-
If the thought of the fret buzz unnerves you, don't even look at the Japanese PPV special. A good many of the tracks on it are virtually destroyed by the flapping of the low B. This is particularly true of song such as PMU, The Mirror and Lie. The use of the low B at the beginning of PMU to hold the root is a little confusing. The song itself is in Em but JM hammers the B as though he were adding a fifth bass harmony. I'm not sure if that's a good idea and octave down with that little string tension. Then again, as a guitarist, I may be out of line commenting here. :)
>Date: 27 Jun 96 14:58:27 EDT >From: Neil Elliott <101352.3261@CompuServe.COM>
>the songs on there are TOO similar to their original versions. What was really >needed was a bit of off the wall variety: a thrash or some alternative version >of one or two songs just to spice it up a bit. But the quality and musicianship >is as expected exceptional, and makes a great listen for any rock fan whether or >not you like Rush.
Actually I don't think I could stomach a thrash version of any of the Rush tracks. The lyrics would be rendered virtually unintelligible if they were sung with the deep growl that many thrash vocalists use. I do hope that something is resolved with respect to the release of the record though. I've been listening to Rush since 1973. I even saw them with Rutsey at a high school before the first record came out. In spite of band's statement of tributes only being for defunct artists, I truly feel that they should accept the accolades from the next generation of rockers. The artists involved are doing this as a labor of love.
>Buy it, if and when you get the chance to in N. America, or we'll start an >export business from Europe!!!!!
Oh God! I hope it doesn't come to that. Life is expensive enough in Toronto without having to order more imported discs!
>Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 12:15:36 -0700 >From: Ben Laussade <laussade@enet.net>
>Awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww. :-) You can't tell me you didn't laugh at Images and >Curds!!! :-) And, in that case Skadz, stop sending puns to me or >anybody...cuz I'm too lazy to organize stuff like that. <grin>
I have to admit that while these are not DTC in its purest form, they are most certainly a welcome change from all of the shit slinging that was going on over the months prior. However, I DO prefer the idea of lyric rewrites to puns. I know, rewrites constitute blasphemy and I'l burn in hell..... :)
>Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 16:35:18 -0400 (EDT) >From: Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com> >VH should pick up a progmetal type vocalist. That could be really >interesting....
That would be great and might help to get them away from the sugar coated crap that they have been doing since 1986. I would personally love to see someone like Midnight (ex Crimson Glory) working with these guys. It might reintroduce them to some of the danger that they had when DLR was originally a member. I have always thought that the first two VH records were the best and that they need some more of that "walking on the edge" element in their music.
>Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 15:48:40 -0700 >From: hawkeye7@ix.netcom.com (Larry Odneal) >BTW, I just heard a rumor that DT is auditioning Sammy - >IT'S A JOKE, DAMMIT!
Oh God I think I'm gonna ......
>Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 16:59:05 -0700 (PDT) >From: Tymoteusz Altman <altman@sfu.ca>
>most people probably get theirs within a reasonable amount of time, but >i'm wondering if i'm the only one who's been waiting for 6 months now, to >receive WDATU. I'm waiting for AQ and SFAM as well, but for less than that, >since i only paid for them a while ago. It's WDATU that i'm worried about. >i emailed mike about it several times, since it came out, and apparantly once >it came back to him undelivered. he told me that it was resent, but i still >haven't seen it. so it appears as if it's been lost in the mail or something.
I waited 6-8 weeks for my copies of Cygnus and AD to arrive. There is no way it should take 6 months for it to arrive. However, Mike IS a straight up guy. I suspect that your disc is either lost in the mail (officially) or has been pilfered by the postal service. Have you tried doing a trace through the system from Arizona to your destination? That has worked in the past for me when mailing things internationally. At any rate, I hope the situation works out for you.
Cheers,
Rick Toronto
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Date: Sun, 30 Jun 1996 17:18:16 GMT From: rterry@inforamp.net (Rick Terry) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: DT/Rainbow tour, vocal styles, sign language Message-ID: <31d6b08a.2163935@mail.inforamp.net>
Salut!
>Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 03:35:38 +0200 (MET DST) >From: Andrija Bosnjakovic <metalhead@galeb.etf.bg.ac.yu>
>Idea about tour is great. I both like DT and Rainbow, and I think it >would be really cool to have a show with both bands.
I would like to see that as well, but only if it was a double headline show with full sets for both acts. Unfortunately, I also have another condition which would have to be met. Dio would have to return for the tour and that is very unlikely as he is quite preoccupied with writing mystical/death metal of the Sabbath Dehumanizer variety. God it would be great to see him with Rainbow again. I haven't seen that form of Rainbow since Boston opened for them in 1978.
>From: Ben Laussade
> It gets better on Awake, though. Take "Caught in a Web". For most of >that song he uses the "raspy" voice. I love that voice better than the "I&W" >voice because it has more emotion.
I agree that it conveys more emotion, but he is also destroying his vocal cords in the process. It is VERY hard on the soft tissues of the throat to sing that way, and as much as I like the variety presented by both vocal styles, I would rather him sing cleanly so that he can continue for a longer period of time.
>Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 01:46:09 -0500 >From: RipZero <ripzero@dreamt.org>
>At least SOMEONE has a sense of humor! how *could* DT be on a talk show >when John Myung wont even talk?! ;)
John could sign his comments to James with the DT patented Fingers Through the Hair Digital Transcription System. James then places one hand over the left side of his face, as though protecting himself from wind sheer, and translates John's comments for the viewer, all the while looking extremely pensive. :)
>:) example- sebastian bach. just watch that dudes chest when he's out >on stage... its hard to go full blast for 3 hours every night on tour, >AND pour your heart out over the lyrics. ;)
Agreed. Sab takes a real ripping at times. But make no mistake, this guy CAN sing. He has tremendous projection and volume which, in my mind, makes him an ideal rock vocalist. His throat seems to stand up to the rigors of touring fairly well too.
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Date: Sun, 30 Jun 1996 17:45:05 GMT From: rterry@inforamp.net (Rick Terry) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: IM*.*, DT touring with VH, Kentucky fried hospitality Message-ID: <31d6b6fd.3813552@mail.inforamp.net>
Hi all,
>Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 12:43:42 -0400 >From: "MojoMan" <mojonet@pb.net>
>And Im as guilty for some of this as well....no one can say anything >anymore, without clarifying IMHO.....thats too bad...The danger of being >flamed for being of different opinion is much too great....makes people >not want to post...
Agreed. This IMO/IMHO thing has gotten way out of hand. If I make the statement, it IS my opinion. Unless of course, I'm under the influence of those Grays from Zeta Reticuli 2 at the time... wait... I don't want any more Thorazine... :)
> Imagine Van Halen embarks on their tour to support the greastest hits cd >being released in the late fall.....It'll be the largest tour in >years....because of all the hype with DLR in the group......what if DT >could hook up with the tour for a leg or two, once the new album is >released????????? > Is that food for thought.....or what!
It would be great exposure for them, but I think they would get raked over the coals by the bulk of the VH fans. In my experience, the bulk of the newer VH fans have only been on board since the Sammy era started and I really think that they would be completely confused by the time changes and thematic variations of DT's music. Really, there are few choruses in DT's material that they are likely to be able to catch up with in a hurry and DT's material explores far more complex issues than many young kids have been directly exposed to.
>Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 16:33:19 -0500 (EDT) >From: "Scott R. Daugherty" <srdaugz2@homer.louisville.edu> >Scott Daugherty, wishing he lived in New York instead of Kentucky.
Why???? I have been to both places and, while NYC has many more shopping and entertainment opportunities, Kentucky is one of the most beautiful and most friendly states I have ever been to. I found the bulk of the New Yorkers I met to cold. In fact, based on my last trip down I-75, if I wanted to move to the US, I would put Kentucky in my top 5. Chin up buckaroo!! :) <-- Smiley intentional
Cheers,
Rick Toronto
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Date: Sun, 30 Jun 1996 14:11:58 -0400 From: dantemm@erinet.com (Dan Temmesfeld) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Jars of Clay Message-ID: <v01520d02adfc202d1476@[199.171.22.177]>
..NO! The rest of the stuff doesn't sound like "Flood!" It sounds like really mellow "adult alternative" music...whatever that is.
..quite Christian lyrics, as well- which might turn away a few people.
Dan
---+ Dan Temmesfeld --- email: dantemm@erinet.com http://www.cedarville.edu/student/s1133627/gcowboys.htm "Home of the Unofficial GALACTIC COWBOYS Page" ---+
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Date: Sun, 30 Jun 1996 14:12:02 -0400 From: dantemm@erinet.com (Dan Temmesfeld) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Galactic Cowboys' News (NDTC) Message-ID: <v01520d03adfc24260351@[199.171.22.177]>
If you like the Galactic Cowboys, and would like to be put on a (sort of) mailing list, email me.
I maintain the "Unofficial GC Homepage," but I can't up date it over the summer b/c school's out. I've been getting news and tidbits from Wally Farkas, as well as Maria at Metal Blade. I'm going to be doing a mailing near the end of the week (hopefully).
If you would like to be put on my list, drop me a line ASAP. If you've already gotten mail from me concerning this, then don't worry about it- I've got you down.
Dan
---+ Dan Temmesfeld --- email: dantemm@erinet.com http://www.cedarville.edu/student/s1133627/gcowboys.htm "Home of the Unofficial GALACTIC COWBOYS Page" ---+
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Date: Sun, 30 Jun 1996 18:21:18 GMT From: rterry@inforamp.net (Rick Terry) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1654 Message-ID: <31d6c1f9.6621977@mail.inforamp.net>
Howdy Ytse-freaks!
>From: Ben Laussade
>Speaking of which, I read some guitar magazine a few months ago that JP is >writing more from the heart for this album. He said that himself, but I >didn't use quotes because I can't remember the exact wording. Dees could be >bewwy bewwy interesteeng...
That's more than likely a direct result of losing his father. During the grieving process most people want as much of life's complexity removed from their existence as possible. Perhaps, that why we are told that the new record may have a more "commercial feel". The time signature changes might not have been comfortable for John during this period of writing. Just a thought.
Cheers,
Rick Toronto
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Date: Sun, 30 Jun 1996 11:51:44 -0700 From: Ben Laussade <laussade@enet.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Wow. I had a thought. Message-ID: <199606301851.LAA10933@maple.enet.net>
As to what Mr. Wild Cracked Brain-Hurting Mystical Magical Kobayashi <grin> said about MP and JM sounding like they're sequenced, I read that and it triggered these thoughts:
Mike Portnoy: From what I've seen of him just talking, and stuff said in interviews, he seems like the band "clown". From those misfired jokes from the Live in Tokyo vid, and when he said in a Modern Drummer issue some time ago, he likes to steal attention. And, his playing reflects that. 1. He does wacky, crazy, difficult, perfect stuff so people will notice him, and 2. he has fun doing it. Man, did he massacre that Eiffel Tower thing. ;-)
John Myung: We all know that Mr. Myung is the quiet type, and as far as I know he doesn't have any other big hobbies besides bass playing. So, if he doesn't talk...how does he express emotion? I'm willing to bet that he lets SOME of it out playing music. Maybe he's just a perfectionist.
>i never said i thought mp, jm, or anyone in dt suck b/c they lack >emotion
I know..but you did say that sometimes it sounds like they don't have any. I'm just stressing the point that people show emotion in different ways, and one of them might be perfection.
>Those who can appreciate the difficulty of singing >the last line of ACoS in chest voice THAT high can also appreciate that the >singer probably used the lyrics to INSPIRE himself play his instument as >well as possible.
True, but I just think it would've sounded neater with a little more anguish, or as you said, "nnngggyyaaAAAHH!!!!!!" in there. If he could have sung that line the same way he sang "please don't go please don't go please don't go DAMMIT!" in some of the older versions.
>I hate it so much when people say that you cant be an emotional musician if >you play music that's too complex. Anyone who ever has studied music knows >that equal time is spent on technique and emotion.
Hmmm....is it really possible to pratice emotion?
>Please take me off of your mailing list.
Only after you return those stolen .sigs!
> \|/ ____ \|/ Peace, Love, and Good Happiness Stuff, \|/ ____ \|/ > "@'/ ,. \`@" Steven R. Hargraves "@'/ ,. \`@" > /_| \__/ |_\ srhargra@students.wisc.edu /_| \__/ |_\ > \__U_/ \__u_/
I'm calling the Ytse Police.
>>Does breathing heavily and moaning constitute plenty of feeling? I agree that >>some of her stuff is moving, but perhaps for other reasons. Please elaborate. > >Yes, it does, unless she's faking it.
Take the most emotional song you've ever heard...how do you know that the musicians aren't faking it? I'd think that faking emotion would be much harder than playing with emotion.
>And is flavor's a sign, then it's only a matter of Thyme.
Oh Ged! Good one, Chris. ;-)
Add some thyme and other spices to your potatoes, and you'll have:
"Au Gratomania"
"Ytse bird! Ytse plane! Yts.." Mau-Tze And I listen openly.... Ben Laussade
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