YTSEJAM Digest 1312
Today's Topics:
1) Mail Item Format Warning
by "RESPONSE at IBMMAIL 03/01/96 - 21:29:50" <response@ibmmail.com>
2) DT and Classical...
by Pat Griffin <c675311@everest.cclabs.missouri.edu>
3) Showdown?
by "Richard A. Rivera" <rrivera@moose.uvm.edu>
4) Magna Carta Talk
by rtgood@students.wisc.edu (ryan good)
5) A quick question, along with message to John Arch
by aar1@cornell.edu (Alexis A. Ramos)
6) Hi there, I'm.. Uh.. back!
by Mats Rydstrvm <d94-mry@nada.kth.se>
7) new sig, amongst other things
by SEEGED73@VAXA.CIS.UWOSH.EDU
8) RE: context
by JamesArin@aol.com
9) How many times do I have to tell you....
by Baldy <laussade@enet.net>
10) Charles Dominici
by al682@osfn.rhilinet.gov (D. Abosso)
11) DT Tribute
by Kevin Rios <krios@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
12) AD question, John Arch
by Stephen Bajzek <MadMax+@CMU.EDU>
13) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1311
by KWMadden@usa.pipeline.com (Kevin Madden)
14) Grammys
by DreamNDay@aol.com
15) Re: new sig, amongst other things
by KTYA28B@prodigy.com (MS DEBBIE M VESTAL)
16) Prog Tape Swap, Fates Warning
by "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu>
17) Subconscious, Acoustic Dreams, and other thoughts...
by Bogie34@aol.com
18) A Few Random Thoughts
by thekid@txdirect.net (Jose Vaquera)
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Date: Fri, 01 Mar 1996 16:30:41 EST
From: "RESPONSE at IBMMAIL 03/01/96 - 21:29:50" <response@ibmmail.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Mail Item Format Warning
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The mail item that you sent at 21:30:32 GMT on 01 Mar 1996 has been delivered.
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Date: Fri, 1 Mar 1996 15:37:51 -0600 (CST)
From: Pat Griffin <c675311@everest.cclabs.missouri.edu>
To: Ytsejelly <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: DT and Classical...
Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.91.960301153135.20402A-100000@indy27.gclab.missouri.edu>
>>In order to play classical music you need special
skills (technical and musical). These skills don't come overnight, but
rather through daily practice. Different styles sometimes can be mixed in
with one another - but not classical. It is completely different. So keep
YOUR ignorant mouth shut ya freak.<<
Have you ever *listened* to a Dream Theater song before? Exactly what
part of their music is not "technical and musical" enough for you?
As far as "these skills not coming over night," they have released 4
albums, and have been playing, writing, and touring together since they
were 18! And I'm quite sure they didn't get together at a frat party and
say "hey, lets go get some instuments and see if we can play." Every
member of DT has been playing for years, and I'm sure if you gave Kevin
or Derek a chance, they could play Listz.
h t t p : / / w w w . m i s s o u r i . e d u / ~ c 6 7 5 3 1 1 /
| Pat Griffin Reality2 Design |
| c675311@showme.missouri.edu c675311@cclabs.missouri.edu |
h t t p : / / w w w . m i s s o u r i . e d u / ~ c 6 7 5 3 1 1 /
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Date: Fri, 1 Mar 1996 16:38:54 -0500 (EST)
From: "Richard A. Rivera" <rrivera@moose.uvm.edu>
To: Dream Theater <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Showdown?
Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.91.960301162848.148670B@moose.uvm.edu>
I just had a revelation. I'm only guessing here, but if it's true
that there's song called Showdown on the new DT album, maybe the reason
that Barfbag appears on Acoustic Dreams as "Showdown" is that it is part
of the new song. When I talked to Mike P. at one of his clinics months
ago, he metioned that they had Raise The Knife completed, as well as some
other stuff "laying around." Could Barfbag be the stuff in question?
We'll know later this year.
Richie
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Date: Fri, 1 Mar 1996 15:46:35 -0600
From: rtgood@students.wisc.edu (ryan good)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Magna Carta Talk
Message-ID: <199603012146.PAA43590@audumla.students.wisc.edu>
Enchant, "Blueprint of the World"
I personally love this entire disc from front to back. As for
comparison, they are closer to a speedier Rush, maybe a little heavier, but
no "balls and chunk" like Dream Theater. The production is very even, not
terribly full of treble, or bass. Pretty flat, yet good sounding.
"The Thirst" is about just that, man's thirst for things, be it
relationships, knowledge, so on.
"Catharsis" is about a person searching for themselves, if you get
what I mean.
"Oasis" is about not knowing where one is to go, and how long it
takes to get there.
"Acquaintance" is about that mystery of human relationships.
"Mae Dae" in instrumental
"At Death's Door" is about suffering over the loss of a loved one.
"East of Eden" is about being caged and chained to change.
"Nighttime Sky" I can't really make a plain statement about, I think
it's different for everyone, (like the others, but this is more ambiguous).
Maybe's one's relation to the earth, or nighttime. Good lines in this one.
"Enchanted" is about that one woman who emits that powerful aura.
"Open Eyes" is about the public's ignorance, people who look through
closed eyes, like many think with closed minds.
I guess all should decide for themselves, but this is a good disc.
____________________________________
"I hate commercial radio, and I want to be a DJ?"
"I'm being persecuted because I'm not an athlete"
"Cheaters never get in trouble"
name - Ryan T. Good
e-mail - rtgood@students.wisc.edu
phone - 1-(608)-264-2268
what - Madison Student Radio
who - Music Staff (Music Stapher)
which kind - Progressive Rock/Heavy Metal
why - why not?
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Date: Fri, 1 Mar 1996 17:19:25 -0500
From: aar1@cornell.edu (Alexis A. Ramos)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: A quick question, along with message to John Arch
Message-ID: <v02130500ad5d25238708@[128.253.62.25]>
Hey jammers! When I bought my Awake CD I don't know how long ago (the day
when it came out), there was a little paper in it with a few questions for
some kind of poll (which songs from the album you liked the most, etc.).
It said that if you answered the questions and returned them to the address
on the paper, they would send you information and stuff about the band (I
think you would be in the fan club or something). Well, I would want to
know, what the hell happenned with that? I never got anything back, and
I'm wondering what was the reason for that poll. Anybody know the answer
for this? Thanks.
P.S. It feels so cool to read stuff written by John Arch! Like the other
guy, I thought that somebody was just fooling around with the name. Well,
John, I would like to tell you that you did an incredible job in Fates
Warning, especially on Awaken the Guardian. I love that album. I just
wanted to let you know that I love your vocals. By the way, what have you
done since then?
Bye.
Alexis
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Date: Fri, 1 Mar 1996 23:27:25 +0100 (MET)
From: Mats Rydstrvm <d94-mry@nada.kth.se>
To: Ytsejam Mailing List <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Hi there, I'm.. Uh.. back!
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91N2x.960301231946.24712A-100000@alv.nada.kth.se>
Hi Jammerz,
just got on the damn list again and it's nice to see the
non-moderated-mode working with its' ramblings, unrelated
rubbish, topxx-lists, complete reposted digests etc.
All in all, nice to be back. I feel right at home.
Could someone be so kind and update me on what's happened since we moved
to the ax-site. I did send a sub-msg right from the start, but then I
never got any digests.. I figured it would take a while to get the list
rolling but then I got supsicious and sent one more.. and now I'm on.
And, damn, I'm still waiting for my WDATU. (To Mike Bahr: Could you
confirm that you go my money and that my order has been processed,
puleeez. When should i expect the CD to arrive. Also, have you got a new
project? What's up, and can I order a copy?)
/Mats
Mats Rydstrom
- d94-mry@nada.kth.se /~~~~~~~~~~\~~~~BassPlayer/GLASS~~~~/
- http://www.nada.kth.se/~d94-mry \ no wrong, no right /
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\ or guilt admission /
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Date: Fri, 01 Mar 1996 16:33:02 -0600 (CST)
From: SEEGED73@VAXA.CIS.UWOSH.EDU
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: new sig, amongst other things
Message-ID: <01I1TWZMGEN6006IGW@VAXA.CIS.UWOSH.EDU>
Date sent: 1-MAR-1996 16:25:31
This is for the guy who apparently wants to be known simply as "Steve:"
I am both a Classical AND Jazz musician. How can you say a
Classically-trained musician can't also be a jazz musician? I've been
playing both styles for the last 6 years and I love it. Sure, there are
Classically-trained musicians that couldn't read chord changes without
notes to save their lives, but that takes A LOT of practice!
Speaking of being a band/orchestra geek, this talk about forming a
"Ytse-Philharmonic Orchestra" is all good, but what would be the point? We
couldn't record or anything without people having to travel across the
country, perhaps even world, and that wouldn't work since most of us are in
school. I hate to say it, but all this
"lets-all-send-a-tape-around-as-a-tribute-to-DT" talk should stop because
it'd be impossible. Is that so hard to understand?
________________________________________________________________________________
Deb "The Doublebass Goddess and Aspiring Recording Engineer" Seeger
University of Wisconsin-Oshkosh Class of 1996
seeged73@vaxa.cis.uwosh.edu
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Date: Fri, 1 Mar 1996 17:53:39 -0500
From: JamesArin@aol.com
To: Archfates@aol.com, ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: RE: context
Message-ID: <960301175338_338120915@emout09.mail.aol.com>
>Date: Thu, 29 Feb 1996 20:20:29 -0500
>From: Archfates@aol.com
>To: ytsejam@ax.com
>Subject: context
>Message-ID: <960229202027_234668323@emout04.mail.aol.com>
>
>
>> Do you have trouble reading things in context? Perhaps that
>> is why Dream Theater chose James instead of you for their
>> vocalist. Or is Brian... lying?!
>
(Jim steps onto his soapbox)
I do not even know who wrote this and I am kind of glad I don't. This
was totally uncalled for and I can't help but wonder if, at the time you
wrote this, you were sticking out your tongue and yelling na na na na na
na!!!! You know the kind of thing you would see if you were hanging out at
a grade school playground.
(Jim steps down from his soapbox)
> and I am just fed up with the whole gay/ ugly/drug issues
> and anyone who perpetuates it! Why would you want to post
>something like that ? They are some of the nicest guys you would
>ever want to meet and if they are so unearthly , (MP. JP. JM.)
>They sure have great looking wives.Now that I'm finished explaining
(Jim steps back onto his soapbox)
I have to totally agree with John here. I too am completely sick of the
gay/ ugly/ drug issues and I am embarrassed to even think that we would
engage in such topics. I mean, really, in any given 10 minutes of a soap
opera you most likely will hear something on all three of these topics.
Continue with these threads if you must and I will continue to be
embarrassed by them and by the fact that I know the guys from the band read
the Jam when they can.
(Jim steps down from his soapbox)
>And no I don't think brian is lying. When I auditioned for DT in 1990
>James Labrie was nowhere in site he came along months after, may I
>humbly add I'm glad he did. So you see it was'nt a choice between
>anybody, I had to make personal choices for me and my family
>that you couldn't possibly Know any thing about!!! So perhaps your wrong.
(Jim steps back onto his soapbox)
John, correct me if I am wrong, but, isn't it true that you were offered
the position of vocalist but due to personal matters had to decline? And
isn't it also true, Mr. Arch, that your departure from Fates Warning was due
to a similar situation? I have lived in the New Haven area of CT. all of my
life and I also hosted a prog-metal radio show at WNHU for about 5 years. So
I tried my best to keep up with these things. :^)
(Jim steps down from his soapbox)
Later
Jim Colberg
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Date: Fri, 1 Mar 1996 15:55:13 -0700
From: Baldy <laussade@enet.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: How many times do I have to tell you....
Message-ID: <199603012255.PAA16251@maple.enet.net>
>Please don't take this in any dirogatory way whatsoever, but what are you
>smoking?:)
[snipsnipsnipsnip]
Did you try
>listening to Awake on a long drive with no one else in the car, and a really
>good stereo system? heheheh
Don't you GET it? Saying that will never change anyone's mind. People are
different. Some people like to eat broccoli...some people don't. How is
that any different than this? If Awake HAS to blow you away, then how come
DT isn't widely known and on MTV every other second? To quote Bafu, among
many probably, "There is no best, only favorites".
>Shut up. You obviously don't play classical music or you wouldn't make such
>completely uncalled for and idiotic remarks. Oh yea - I'm really ignorant.
>You act like playing classical music is so easy - well buddy, it ain't.
>They CAN'T PLAY IT!!! In order to play classical music you need special
>skills (technical and musical). These skills don't come overnight, but
>rather through daily practice. Different styles sometimes can be mixed in
>with one another - but not classical. It is completely different. So keep
>YOUR ignorant mouth shut ya freak.
/me turns the hose on himself to save the rest of the hair that hasn't
burned away....
Did I say in my post that I play classical music? NO. Did I say
that Kevin Moore and Derek Sherinian can play classical music? NO. Did I
say that I had any talent at ALL? No.
Do you have proof that KM and DS don't practice playing Liszt every
day? Who are you to say that KM and DS don't have special skills? Are you
also saying that it is not physically possible to be able to play classical
music AND jazz? Sheesh.
BTW, replying to the complete Jam after that didn't help make your point better.
Bald Anus, See?
Anagram Generators suck.
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Date: Fri, 1 Mar 1996 17:53:53 -0500
From: al682@osfn.rhilinet.gov (D. Abosso)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Charles Dominici
Message-ID: <199603012253.AA08101@osfn.rhilinet.gov>
Hello,
I just wanted to post a quick note... What do you all think
of Dominici's work with DT? Is he better than LaBrie? Anyways, just send
Ytsejam some of your thoughts and feelings, if you have time....
-- Dan
-- Day was departing, and the darkening air Called all earth's creatures to their evening quiet While I alone was preparing as though for war..------------------------------
Date: Fri, 1 Mar 1996 18:21:13 -0500 (EST) From: Kevin Rios <krios@suffolk.lib.ny.us> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: DT Tribute Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91.960301181947.17736A-100000@scls1>
Since alot of you out there play wind or brass instruments, do a reamake of Eve. I think that would sound cool.
Kev
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Date: Fri, 1 Mar 1996 18:20:32 -0500 (EST) From: Stephen Bajzek <MadMax+@CMU.EDU> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: AD question, John Arch Message-ID: <clBsN0K00iWUA=6_UO@andrew.cmu.edu>
A couple things:
1. Sorry if this has been asked before, but on Acoustic Dreams (great job Mike), who's playing keys on 6:00 and CIAW? Kevin or Derek?
2. Wait a minute--we've got *the* John Arch on this list? Wow. I'd like to send my compliments on Awaken the Guardian. That's one bloody amazing album, mostly due to the vocal melodies. I've never heard anything like it before or since. Nice throat you got there.
-Max
Anton Max Keyboards, Aepithex MadMax+@cmu.edu
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Date: Fri, 1 Mar 1996 23:40:56 GMT From: KWMadden@usa.pipeline.com (Kevin Madden) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1311 Message-ID: <199603012340.XAA04015@pipe14.h1.usa.pipeline.com>
On Mar 01, 1996 13:14:10, Pat Daugherty' wrote: > >Does anyone have the Fates Warning Pale Fire single? Looks like I will >be able to get one. Supposedly on it is the edited version of Monument, >demo version of We Only Say Goodbye, and Pale Fire. > > Yes, I have it, and unless you a. don't already have "chasing time" or b. really want an edited version of "monument" (or I suppose c. you are want everything by fates) there is no reason to own this single. I guess it is good to support the band, but there are no suprises. I actually like
the album version of "we only say goodbye" better than the re-mix, but opinions will vary. > >**** Pat Daugherty pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com **** <snip> >**** GO CAPITALS! GO BULLETS! GO DAYTON FLYERS! GO TERPS! **** ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Or is that go "Wizards?" *snicker* -- Kevin (kwmadden@usa.pipeline.com) GO PACKERS...GO WINGS!!!
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Date: Fri, 1 Mar 1996 18:59:45 -0500 From: DreamNDay@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Grammys Message-ID: <960301185943_338186179@mail02.mail.aol.com>
Bafu, So much old stuff was nominated other than RCHP's BSSM. I don't know if many know this, but one of the nominees for best Metal performance was Metallica's For Whom The Bell Tolls, a song thats well over 11 years old, and Nine Inch Nails won for Happiness in Slavery, a sond thats been around for a while. Anyway, I think that these 3 songs were all nominated from the Woodstock 94 soundtrack, which should've been nominated last year anyway. later--------------Brian
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Date: Thu, 29 Feb 1996 19:46:09 EST From: KTYA28B@prodigy.com (MS DEBBIE M VESTAL) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: new sig, amongst other things Message-ID: <096.02517879.KTYA28B@prodigy.com>
Hi, I think I detect a SNAFU in progress...in order to stop some S.A. comments in their tracks I thought that I would point this out....
The Doublebass Goddess wrote: >I am both a Classical AND Jazz musician. How can you say a >Classically-trained musician can't also be a jazz musician?
Steve wrote >>I don't think a classical musician, with all their mighty technical >>abilities,could be a decent jazz musician IN ONE WEEK, but to think they >>COULDN'T become one -- especially with the ability to draw from their >>already mature music knowledge? Hmmmmmmmmm (said with a Marge Simpson >>falsetto).
Correct me if I'm wrong...but Steve seems to say that it's silly to think a classical musician CAN'T do both, although it might take more than one week to do. Do I detect mid-terms in the near future, perhaps? Too many papers, too much reading, too many tests and to top it off a mailbox FULL to the brim with Jams? :) I've been there...well except for the Jams part.
Cat
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~IN GODS WE TRUST......................................... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ALL OTHERS PAY CASH...................... -STEVEN BRUST
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Date: Fri, 1 Mar 1996 20:19:41 -0500 (EST) From: "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu> To: Ytse Jam <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Prog Tape Swap, Fates Warning Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9603012027.B24691-0100000@griffin.emba.uvm.edu>
Hey folks. I don't know how many of you participated in Dr. X's prog swap of a couple months ago, but I have to tell you one thing. If you didn't get in on it, and he runs another one, get in on it. I discovered so much cool stuff because of tapes that three people sent me. I hope that my three recipients found the same satisfaction. I mean, I never realized that there is so much cool stuff out there that I had never heard of. Ed, I hope you organize another one soon.
John Ambrose - e-mail me. I want to pick your brain about some of this stuff.
On a completely unrelated note, I bought Fates Warning's Inside Out a couple weeks ago, and picked up their Night On Brocken today. Man, it's like two different bands. I love Inside Out. If I ever really dig Brocken, though, it probably won't be for a while. Anyone else think that that old FW sounds like a bunch of Judas Priest wanna-bes?
Today's amusing sight in the streets of Burlington, VT: I saw a Range Rover parked downtown today. Someone (presumably the owner) had a bit of fun with some black paint. He or she altered the "RANGE ROVER" emblazoned across the front so that it now reads "HANG OVER." I got a kick out of it.
Bald anus, see? It's what's for dinner. (YUCK! :)
------------------------------------------------------------------------ \|/ ____ \|/ The Digital Man \|/ ____ \|/ "@'/ ,. \`@" cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu "@'/ ,. \`@" /_| \__/ |_\ d-man@dreamt.org /_| \__/ |_\ \__U_/ http://www.emba.uvm.edu/~cmerlo \__U_/
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Date: Fri, 1 Mar 1996 20:26:36 -0500 From: Bogie34@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Subconscious, Acoustic Dreams, and other thoughts... Message-ID: <960301202635_435897837@mail06.mail.aol.com>
Well, in the past week, I received my copies of Subconscious and Acoustic Dreams, and I have to tell you, Mike, they are excellent! Although the quality on some of the Subcon. material isn't up to par as most of the AD material, it's still nice to here ACOS in it's original format. (I've never heard it before the EP came out.) As for Acoustic Dreams, the quality is excellent!
Since I'm on the topic of bootlegs, I'm sure you Ytse-jammers can help me out. What is the best bootleg I can get for the Images & Tour Tour? I've heard that the 2 CD Dance of Eternity boot from Why Not? in Italy is really good. Are there any other bootlegs that are worth getting? I already have Wake Up! from the Awake tour.
Lastly, I want to ask a question concerning the Majesty demos and the Instrumentals CDs. Where is the best place to pick these up? Or better yet, do any of you have copies of these 3 CDs that you can spare? I think after getting those, my rare DT recording collection will be pretty much complete.
Take care,
Bogie at "6:00"
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Date: Fri, 1 Mar 1996 19:35:21 -0600 (CST) From: thekid@txdirect.net (Jose Vaquera) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: A Few Random Thoughts Message-ID: <199603020135.TAA21534@legend.txdirect.net>
I hope this doesn't already sound dated, but with the amount of jams being generated, if you don't post every half-hour you run the risk of sounding three days blind. On the subject of "mainstream": No one goes mainstream. What tends to happen is that the collective taste of the "mainstream" gravitates to a form of music. Take the label "alternative". I remember when this was applied to bands like Depeche Mode, at one time. Now it's Pearl Jam, and whatnot. In two years? Some guy who can FART a melody? Labels need to be dropped, because even among people of similar taste, there will be disagreements as to who belongs. Now, as far as Dream Theater becoming "popular", there is one and only one thing that will accomplish this in the current state of music. Heavy rotation on MTV. MTV has ruined the state of music. MTV starts trends now. Take the uprise of the "New Jersey" scene a few years back. Every other video was by Cinderfella, Britny Cocks, etc. Any heard of these bands lately? MTV moved on and since MTV now dictates what is "cool, trendy, hip", follow-up albums don't sell squat compared to the previous album, label drops band, band fade into obscurity. Dream Theater needs no part of MTV. Or, they could go the route of Mettalica. Here is a band that is coming very close to projecting the appearance of actually catering to the "mainstream". Don't get me wrong. I've followed the band since a demo tape in late '83, and the Black album was great. But I have grown to fear the live shows, and I hope the attitude display in the live show doesn't find it's way into the songwriting process. Trying to write a song with the primary purpose of selling X number of albums should be a mortal sim. I will follow Dream Theater to the end of the earth, as long as the music still comes from the heart instead of the pocketbook.
Of course, that's just my opinion, I could be wrong.
Check the .sig for validation.
Yours humbly,
THE KID
============================================================================= "Frankly, I don't want to be a part of a progressive rock scene- I want to be part of a Dream Theater scene." - John Petrucci
"don't ask me, I just work here." =============================================================================
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