YTSEJAM Digest 1326
Today's Topics:
1) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1324
by ernie@ns.pananet.com (ernie)
2) Mail Item Format Warning
by "RESPONSE at IBMMAIL 03/06/96 - 04:40:10" <response@ibmmail.com>
3) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1325
by napkins@clandjop.com (Seth Hatlelid)
4) one man's opinion & stuff
by WP1839@conrad.appstate.edu
5) factionalism, Heavy Metal- the movie,
by zack@lsil.com (Zack Gemmill)
6) DT and FW misspell
by constabl@postoffice.ptd.net
7) Braindance
by "Andrew Keith Garinger" <garinger@pilot.msu.edu>
8) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1325
by kretschmer@bdt.com (Jon Kretschmer)
9) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1324
by Neil.D.Evans@Dartmouth.EDU (Neil D. Evans)
10) Pointblank.
by KTYA28B@prodigy.com (MS DEBBIE M VESTAL)
11) Foo Bahr
by Chris Oates <aspect@cats.ucsc.edu>
12) YTSEJAM digest 1325
by keu@pointblank.com
13) YTSEJAM digest 1325
by keu@pointblank.com
14) Re: An Open Letter to Mr. Varney
by Karri K Kiviluoma <kkiviluo@snakemail.hut.fi>
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Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 02:18:45 -0400
From: ernie@ns.pananet.com (ernie)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1324
Message-ID: <19960306071832.AAA3434@mail.pananet.com>
>
> What is the infauation with DT???? Its not
>like they are the BEST PROG. Band out there... There are a hell of alot
>of bands out there that are STILL better then DT!!!
>
> For instance Look at Slaughter... MILLIONS OF
Oh I get it! you're doing that so we get all pissed off and flame you! HAHAHA!
Anyways back to normal life...
People...I know the perfect place for the Ytsecon...Panama...After all, it's
equally distant from everywhere in the U.S.
Ernie, from Panama..
(I hope you all realized I was joking)
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Date: Tue, 05 Mar 1996 23:40:59 EST
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Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 22:55:20 -0600
From: napkins@clandjop.com (Seth Hatlelid)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1325
Message-ID: <v01510101ad62c9b5b335@[204.71.98.46]>
Hiya everyone,
I have some questions that you fellow jammers may be able to help
me with. The way I like to try out new bands is by finding relationships
between bands ie Metallica threw out Dave Mustaine, formed Megadeth,
Mustaine fired Chris Poland, Poland forms Damn the Machine etc. etc. I
discovered that their ie several bands related to DT that might be worth
checking out. Winter Rose was James La Brie's band. I heard it was glam,
anyone heard it? Meanstreak is John Petrucci's wife's band. Are they
signed? Are they any good? Anyone have acopy of them. I also heard Charlie
Dominoboy is singing for someone else? Can anyone point me in the
direction to the disks? Muchas Gracias!
napkins@clandjop.com
Seth Hatlelid
"My idea of Hell: The Jingle Cats on double speed!"
MU330 Rocks! Check them out at all costs!
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Date: Wed, 06 Mar 1996 00:04:58 -0400 (EDT)
From: WP1839@conrad.appstate.edu
To: YTSEJAM@AX.COM
Subject: one man's opinion & stuff
Message-ID: <01I1ZXI06YO2AC2ZIL@conrad.appstate.edu>
I've been on watching you guys having fun on the jam and decided to get in
on the action, afterall it's what I joined for!
In response to the ytse-con talk: I understand the need for a centralized
con(s), so I thought I'd suggesst a future location. Charlotte,or even
Atlanta for that matter. I can't make it to NY, Denver, or Vegas while I'm
still in school. The Mike Portnoy drum clinic showed that DT has a loyal
fan base in the area, and it wasn't even promoted that heavely. Just
imagine what a convention could draw(if the boys actually showed up).
I was attempting to wash dishes this morning and I decided to check out
eMpTyV to see what I'm supposed to be listening to these days. I barely
made it through 3 videos. I'm going to have to agree with Mojoman. I've
never listened to Poison or Warant, but the "New Music Revolution" that's
defining my generation(I'm looking into disowning Gen. X) makes me cringe.
All you need these days is 3-4 chords, a catchy anthem, some pop-driven
angst, and airtime on eMpTyV and your a musical genius! I won't get into
Guitar magazines! I've quit listening to the radio and aside from an
occasional Beaver & Buttkiss episode, I watch eMpTyV 20-30 min. a week!
(I'm glad I'm not paying for cable! Whatever happened to Headbangers'
Ball? I know Rikki Whats-his-face was annoying but where else could you
get metal,hard rock,and somewhat progressive videos? Ah the
days of old when albums didn't debut at #1 unless they were great or well
established, and going platinum meant something.
Has anyone heard when Steve Vai's next solo album is coming out, it was
supposed to be out around last fall. Rumor has it he's supposed to be
singing on a couple of tracks (ala Flying in a Blue Dream).
All the talk of the Highlander movie made me want to sit back and watch it
again. After seeing Braveheart earlier, Highlander made me want to run
around the dorm in a kilt yelling and dueling with my residents!
One last thing and then I'm off to watch the 3 stooges; does anyone here
play Illuminatti? I just got introduced to it earlier this week and it's a
lot of fun. It helps pass the time away while I'm RA'ing over break.
later,
Brandon P
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Date: Tue, 5 Mar 96 21:54:52 PST
From: zack@lsil.com (Zack Gemmill)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: factionalism, Heavy Metal- the movie,
Message-ID: <9603060554.AA08365@tengs1>
>OK....Jeff Chew is talking about Ytsecon III for late June. Jeff---Sinista is
>talking to DT management about possibly getting them or some of them to the
>Mid-Ytse-Con. I don't wanna be a drag, but. Can you talk with us first re: the
>latest East Coast thang. We midwesterners would like a chance to get these
>guys out here and if we have competing events, it'll only hurt us both (us
>more than you re:travel). E-mail me so we can discuss. I don't want
>factionalism to occur. Right now we were aiming for late June early July.
>LATER-
>
>Steve
I say screw everyone east of the Continental Divide !>)>
Hey, on the radio today, I heard they are re-releasing _Heavy
Metal_ to the theaters... digitally remastered and somesuch.
I haven't seen around, even for midnight showings, for years.
Now, if only they get the !#$&@ go-ahead from National Lampoon
(I think they own the rights to it), then we can finally get an
official video of it.
living in the past,
Zach
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Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 01:02:40 -0500 (EST)
From: constabl@postoffice.ptd.net
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: DT and FW misspell
Message-ID: <199603060602.BAA24187@ns1.ptd.net>
I think it was Ben who mentioned how DT was spelled Theatre in the FW -
Parallels liner notes, wasn't FW spelled Fatez in one of DT's liner notes?
I think it was I&W.
Maybe since Fates misspelled DT's name, DT in return misspelled FW name.
just my $.02
Marc
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Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 01:25:18 -0500 (EST)
From: "Andrew Keith Garinger" <garinger@pilot.msu.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Braindance
Message-ID: <199603060625.BAA13707@pilot01.cl.msu.edu>
Well, Braindance does sound like DT in the vaguest of senses. They
have a very convoluted name for their particular style, but I love it, no
matter what it's called. If you took DT, made it more experimental and
kinda jazzy, dropped James's vocals so he sounded more like Peter Steele of
Type O Negative(no he's not that low or drony, but it's the closest
comparison), and made the samples longer and more prominent, you MIGHT have
something like Braindance. Their CD, Fear Itself, plays like one long song
and it's truly amazing and can't be compared to anything within my realm of
experience faithfully. Oh yeah, and there's female vocal harmonies on top
of all that! Seriously, though, these guys kick some major ass! I hear
they're playing ProgDay '96 in Baltimore on June 29th or 30th(make sure this
doesn't overlap any of the Cons!!!). Sometimes you can get ahold of them
via email at brayndanse@aol.com, but it's sporadic. If you're interested,
check out the samples and info on IUMA's web site at http://www.iuma.com/ and
search for progressive bands in the index. Or got to Mike Backof's Unsigned
Bands Page(I forget the address, but it's in his .sig file) and get some
info there. Mail me if you need more info!
Later,
Andrew
--
garinger@pilot.msu.edu
Zeta Beta Tau-Beta Epsilon Chapter "Ynos"
---
"There's a man who is lonely There's a girl he's been seeing
This could change if he'd only From afar he's been dreaming
Take a chance and risk stepping He could have her if he were
outside himself someone else
So he silently awaits
A major change in fate
A change that comes too late" - Enchant "The Thirst"
"A damn accurate assessment of my love life." - Me
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DreamTheaterBraindanceALLRushthedroogsThOughtIndustryStabbingWestwardDownbyLaw
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Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 22:31:24 +0800
From: kretschmer@bdt.com (Jon Kretschmer)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1325
Message-ID: <v01510100ad61fde7d51e@[206.14.103.54]>
>Mid-Ytse-Con is still on....It's just Bigman had car trouble when he was gonna
>come to Chi-town to work on details. Now, he and Sinista will probably come
>here next week to do this. Shirts and management contacts are in the works. We
>just need to decide between Chicago and Milwaukee....THEN GET THE DT BOYS OUT
>HERE!!!!!!!!! E-mail me if you haven't and are interested in comin'. We got
>double-digits plus their friends already!!!! LATER-
>
>Steve
And what about us west coasters? What are we going to do? Twidle our
thumbs while you bums meet them? Punks : ) If I had two rubber bands and
a badmiton raquet right now...
<fuming>
And whats wrong with Las Vegas? Can anyone organize one there? The idea
of 3 ytsecons was a good one, with or without DT...Although it would make
the drive from SanFrancisco a tab bit more bearable if I knew DT was at the
other end.
>
>----
>
>> From: keu@pointblank.com
>> Subject: YTSEJAM digest 1322
>>
>> Heres a Question:
>>
>> What is the infauation with DT???? Its not
>> like they are the BEST PROG. Band out there... There are a hell of alot
>> of bands out there that are STILL better then DT!!!
>
>Well, if you think so, then I'm not going to argue the point. You dig
>your shit, I'll dig mine.
>
Well said. If you want to glorify your bands, fine. But its not like we
care about it too much. I mean think about it for a sec; why would WE
care what YOU think about the quality of other bands compared to DT.
Everyone on this list is here for a reason: to get info about DT and share
common experiences. People like you only serve to mix the stew a bit.
Which is ok, but you should at least tell us about these bands that are
"better" then DT. Id like to listen to them.
And Im not going to get into the better issue...Been there, done that.
>>I MEAN how much DT can you talk about before it gets old and
>> repeated?!?!?!?
Well, considering as how people on this list have more DT CDs then I do, at
17, a lot. I think Ill stop wasting my time on this.
>He also mentions that Slaughter is a better band because they have sold
>millions of >records. to paraphrase, "Record sales is no fucking
>guarentee!" Selling millions >of records doesn't prove a thing.
Uh, does HOOTIE ring a bell?
Look guys, everyone listens to different stuff. There is no use trying to
convert people. S'like trying to force feed people something that they MAY
like. Not worth it.
Jon
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Date: 06 Mar 96 01:51:36 EST
From: Neil.D.Evans@Dartmouth.EDU (Neil D. Evans)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1324
Message-ID: <26179089@dancer.Dartmouth.EDU>
Gandalf wrote:
"Becareful when you
scoff at people who listened to, or still listen to Poison or Warant...
Some day your beloved Nirvana will be dead not only physically, but
stylistically and economically. Music with a more uplifting, in-depth,
self-conscious message will eat alternative music and they will be
washed up....I can't wait for the day when I see this..."
AMEN!!!
Today's "popular" "music" absolutely sucks ass. Isn't that what we're all into
Dream Theater for? To get away from the shit the media (ie, MTV) force feeds
us, until like fucking bulemics we puke it up and can't take it anymore? I
attempt to disgard prejudices concerning music, but I don't see how ANYBODY who
appreciates the music of Dream Theater can listen to the music of, say,
Nirvana, and not want to beat the fuck out of the idiot-mentality that spawned
all of that shit and polluted the radio and tv airwaves with it for years. I'm
sorry, the "I'm angry at the world so I can act like a retard" punk mentality
just doesn't do it for me. If you want to express anger, do it in a REMOTELY
intelligent way... hmm, Metallica, Megadeth, Pantera... They've managed quite
well... flames welcome, and if you agree with me and would like to rant and
rave about the sordid state of affairs in the music industry don't hesitate to
email me at:
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Date: Tue, 05 Mar 1996 03:05:49 EST
From: KTYA28B@prodigy.com (MS DEBBIE M VESTAL)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Pointblank.
Message-ID: <096.02868679.KTYA28B@prodigy.com>
Jon, the pointblank guy, said:
>Heres a Question:
> What is the infauation with DT???? Its not like they are the BEST PROG.
>Band out there... There are a hell of alot of bands out there that are
>STILL better then DT!!!
> For instance Look at Slaughter... MILLIONS OF CD'S SOLD!
> POISON....1 word CHEESE
^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> Extreme... HEH NO COMMENT
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I don't know....I think this guy's trying his hand at sarcastic humor. At
least I hope he is....if not....is there a psychiatrist in the house?
Cat
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~IN GODS WE TRUST.........................................
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ALL OTHERS PAY CASH......................
-STEVEN BRUST
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Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 02:28:02 -0800
From: Chris Oates <aspect@cats.ucsc.edu>
To: The BafuJam <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Foo Bahr
Message-ID: <199603061028.CAA27965@cats.ucsc.edu>
>From: Fabian Aboytes <aboytes@ats.it>
>(Sorry for the English, I'm Italian)
Sometimes I feel sorry for the English, too. Beautiful country, great
comedy, embarrassing royalty (or maybe that's just another facet of the
"great comedy"?)
>From: "Devil's Plaything" <papined@pr.erau.edu>
> Type-O Negative: "Don't mistake lack of talent for genius"
That settles it. I'm _going_ to buy one of their albums. They sound too
cool. And they weren't bad as an opener for QRyche.
> From: DreamNDay@aol.com
> Only runner up was Mike Bahr, so maybe we should find him a position. Any
> suggestions?
I think Mike's position should be at Bass Guitar and the CD Burner
Keu@pointblank: forgivably clueless or intentionally obnoxious? You be the
judge.
MojoMan: Soundgarden is _extremely_ talented. You really should listen to
them before slagging. They are about as close to prog as you can get and
still sound grunge-y.
YtseVegas sounds like a good 2nd to San Fran for me. Close enough to drive.
Maybe we could start an Ytse-Bank to hide all the money from those who are
afriad of gambling? I know I have no temptation to blow my money away like
that...
Recent purchases:
Paradise Lost: Draconian Times -- Metallica's Black Album with some gothic
feel tossed in every once in a while... Cool stuff.
Ivanhoe: Symbols of Time -- German Prague Metal. Czech it out! Sounds
alot like Shadow Gallery w/o as much keyboards or vocal harmonies.
Tales From Yesterday / Supper's Ready -- Pretty cool. Think I should go buy
some old Genesis.
World Trade: Euphoria -- pretty good, but I think I'll like Enchant better.
Just haven't found them yet.
Tori Amos: Boys for Pele -- TORI! 'nuff said. (except -- nursing a baby
pig???)
WDATU: Mike's best CD to date, Bahr none, but you knew that...
Still looking for DT boots, size 9 1/2
(JM switshed to Docs? ugh. I like the old ones better. Knee-high boots
are cool!)
__ /\ __
__\/__\/__
\_||_/ ~Chris
/__||__\
// \ | \\
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Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 08:09:38 -0500
From: keu@pointblank.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: YTSEJAM digest 1325
Message-ID: <TCPSMTP.16.3.6.8.9.38.2377490627.1238273@pointblank.com>
YT>From: Baldy <laussade@enet.net>
YT>Well....first of all, this IS the Dream Theater mailing list...and second of
YT>all, we do talk about other bands...maybe you would notice this if YOUR SOLE
YT>PURPOSE IN LIFE WASN'T TO **** PEOPLE OFF!!!!!!!!!
No, I notice it... BUT HOW MUCH CAN YOU TALK ABOUT A BAND who isnt
really That popular anymore. THE Happening thing is ALTERNITVE... MAYBE
DT should go altern. And sell some CD's!!!!
YT>> YT>From: "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu>
YT>>
YT>> YT> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
YT>> YT> \|/ ____ \|/ The Digital Man \|/ ____ \
YT>> YT> "@'/ ,. \`@" cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu "@'/ ,. \`
YT>> YT> /_| \__/ |_\ d-man@dreamt.org /_| \__/ |
YT>> YT> \__U_/ http://www.emba.uvm.edu/~cmerlo \__U_/
YT>>
YT>> WHAT THE HELL IS THIS CHRIS???
YT>Um, it's a .signature file, jackass.
i know what that is you fool.. What is that lame "ascii" grpx.. you
have there? is that a chicken or something???
YT>>
YT>> What is the infauation with DT???? Its not
YT>> like they are the BEST PROG. Band out there... There are a hell of alot
YT>> of bands out there that are STILL better then DT!!!
YT>Well, if you think so, then I'm not going to argue the point. You dig
YT>your ****, I'll dig mine.
I never said i didnt like DT I really LOVE them.. If i didnt
why would i be on this mailing list???
YT>> SO why are you guys limiting this place to
YT>> only DT.. I MEAN how much DT can you talk about before it gets old and
YT>> repeated?!?!?!?
YT>Um, this is a Dream Theater list, dickbrain. Now, look. I don't know if
YT>you just feel like causing trouble, or if you don't get enough attention
YT>at home. Maybe another pointblank subscriber put you up to this (a
YT>co-worker, maybe?), but stop. You're not funny, and you're wasting our
YT>time. And watch out, there's a .sig file coming.
I am not causing trouble Tough guy, so calm your little
pitts there.. I am only asking ligit questions. AND instead of going
though that other pointblank subsciber i signed on myself to ask them.
I am sorry that you are such a HAPLESS MOON CALF to understand my
point. So, ill let you get back to your Anil Liberal life....
YT> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
YT> \|/ ____ \|/ The Digital Man \|/ ____ \|/
YT> "@'/ ,. \`@" cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu "@'/ ,. \`@"
YT> /_| \__/ |_\ d-man@dreamt.org /_| \__/ |_\
YT> \__U_/ http://www.emba.uvm.edu/~cmerlo \__U_/
I SWEAR that looks like a chicken!
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Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 08:09:42 -0500
From: keu@pointblank.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: YTSEJAM digest 1325
Message-ID: <TCPSMTP.16.3.6.8.9.42.2377490627.1238274@pointblank.com>
YT>Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 21:45:00 -0500 (EST)
YT>From: "Richard A. Rivera" <rrivera@moose.uvm.edu>
YT> I just wanted to extend a big hi-five to Steve, Mojoman, and
YT>D-man for backing me up on the whole Poison/Warrant/DT-thing.
you forgot someone........
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Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 15:20:55 +0200 (EET)
From: Karri K Kiviluoma <kkiviluo@snakemail.hut.fi>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: An Open Letter to Mr. Varney
Message-ID: <Pine.HPP.3.91.960306145445.20469A-100000@lk-hp-13.hut.fi>
Heya all!
Just a liiittlleeee thing :
Mr. Varney's letter in 'jam 1324 left me practically gibbering.
I mean WHOA! Neo-classical and progressive interest ??
Should be a dream come true. But what do I see on the next jam:
> From: rtgood@students.wisc.edu (Sir Ryan of Good)
> Subject: An Open Letter to Mr. Varney
>
> Mr. Mike Varney:
> Isn't Magna Carta and Shrapnel part of the same company?? Why would
> you want to worry about progressive metal is Magna Carta already has it
> covered???
A small company like Magna Carta cannot produce the marketing to make
the bands known to the audience they deserve. All I've heard of MC was
through this jam. I don't understand what's wrong with some more
exposure for prog ? What exactly are you suggesting here? 'Go do some
hiphop' ?
I don't know how great Neoclassical Metal will do these
> days....the label immediately flashes Yngwie across my mental screen. I can
> Guarentee that the public want's nothing to do with people who can shred but
> sound the same on every album. Yngwie is one of those. Who else is there?
> That's probably your point: There aren't any other neoclassical metal
> musicians...just make sure you DON'T fall for any Yngwies......I could go
> for some fresh metal though, even if it is in "Yngwie's Genre"
I agree with your Yngwie statements... the guy's stagnated. But
why must it mean that the whole genre is to be sgragged? Okie
he created it, but why can't other people try to develop it?
(Hell, I'm sick of this Hendrix sound already ! =)
The late thread here about the ACOS's neo-classical part showed
that there IS interest in that type of music.
And only fresh metal nowadays is prog metal.
Uhh...Sorry if I came down on you too hard. But that kinda worked
me up. And no i don't know any bands to be recommended (so call me
a hypocrite=)
And now that I've mellowed out the compulsory IMO here and there.
Live long and prosper (go easy on the prospering tho)
Karri
kkiviluo@snakemail.hut.fi
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