YTSEJAM Digest 1322
Today's Topics:
1) Gandalf speaks again
by FNGX01A@prodigy.com (MR JOHN CAHILLJR)
2) Mail Item Format Warning
by "RESPONSE at IBMMAIL 03/05/96 - 05:53:59" <response@ibmmail.com>
3) Some thoughts about Jam #1321
by "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu>
4) liner notes
by SaVeur <jjens@portal.gmu.edu>
5) "Covers"
by Steve Borzilleri <magellan@u.washington.edu>
6) Man, the guy is right, you know?
by Steven & Julia Young <syoung@primenet.com>
7) Has the crap been flushed?
by Steven & Julia Young <syoung@primenet.com>
8) Ozrics
by "Paul W. Cashman" <vanyel@crl.com>
9) Ytsecon...
by Pat Griffin <c675311@everest.cclabs.missouri.edu>
10) Sieges Even
by Tilman Kuendgen <tiku@rz.uni-sb.de>
11) Geriatric ramblings
by nga@software-ag.de (Neil Gallop)
12) SUPERIOR live pictures
by Bernd Basmer <basmer@med-rz.uni-sb.de>
13) Looking for DT Boots
by Chris Oates <aspect@cats.ucsc.edu>
14) Wow!
by Chris Oates <aspect@cats.ucsc.edu>
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Date: Mon, 04 Mar 1996 00:43:16 EST
From: FNGX01A@prodigy.com (MR JOHN CAHILLJR)
To: Ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Gandalf speaks again
Message-ID: <096.02770285.FNGX01A@prodigy.com>
Hey kids do you like that Rock an roll? Recently there has been
some speculation as to what DT can or cannot play. I say drop it, who
really cares? You are all on this list because of the music that they
have played. So what they don't play should not matter. BTW, John
Myung played the Violin as a kid growing up around the block. I know
because I used to watch him play it when I was over his house with
Kenny. As far as I know most stuff written for the violin that he was
playing was classical.
The bad Mix on ACOS is the result of Mr. Control freak David
Prater. I know cause I've worked with him. Let me say that from a
drummers standpoint he is an asshole. The triggered drums on I&W are
terrible. Ever listen to Metropolis live and notice the difference in
the snare drum dynamics. If Prater does the next DT album as rumored
than we all had better watch out.
Another anagram for Mr. Laussaude. " Be sundae saul "
Elen sila lumenn omentilmo, Gandalf
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Date: Tue, 05 Mar 1996 00:54:56 EST
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Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 01:08:54 -0500 (EST)
From: "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Some thoughts about Jam #1321
Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9603050017.A12920-0100000@griffin.emba.uvm.edu>
I'd just like to start by saying that this isn't my first post to the
Ytse Jam.
> From: swanson@henge.com (Sheila Swanson)
> Subject: Call me Cory
>
> First of all, this is my mom's account, so I will show up as Sheila, but
> I'm not. I am Cory Swanson from Denver Colorado.
>
> How about holding the Ytsecon in Denver? It's right in the middle of the
> country, and, therefore, will cause equal distress for everyone to get here.
Yeah, except you!
----> From: "Richard A. Rivera" <rrivera@moose.uvm.edu> > Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1320 > > +++Hi. I'm that guy. I'm going to try to restrain myself with > this reply. I'm confused as to the moral wrong that I have committed. I > was not comparing DT to Poison and Warrant. I was merely listing them as > bands that I love. You seem to be implying that DT is "above" bands like > Poison and Warrant. I fail to see the grounds for such a value judgement.
Amen, Rich. We really need less "This band sucks, that band sucks" on here. I'm sure we've all met people that have said "DT sucks." Ged knows I have. Doesn't it piss you off? Give it a rest. BTW, Rich - call me. I've been buying CD's like a mad person recently! We gotta trade!
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> From: Joseph Dunn <jdunn@toto.csustan.edu> > Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1319 > > Well, I have a little of a dilema before me. I have been accepted to > Berklee for next fall; but I don't know if I want to go there anymore. I > have been looking at North Texas and they offer better scholarship opps > than Berklee does...I just don't know what I should do. I have been
Here's my advice, take it or leave it. Shop around. Don't make a decision at all until the day before you have to. And, until then, press all schools to make solid offers. Throw around phrases like "Well, I've been offered X, Y, and Z to study elsewhere, but I would really rather go to your school..." It worked for me. I got myself a free ride and a stipend by playing schools off each other like that.
Anyone agree/disagree?
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> From: al587725@campus.cegs.itesm.mx (MARCELO MARTINELLI) > Subject: STEVE VAI sent me an E-Mail! > > Hi Jammers , > I'm thrilled , I just checked my mail and I got a response > from a mail I sent around 3 months ago to Steve Vai. Anyways I'm so excited
Yeah, he's cool. He was very personable when I met him years ago at a meet-n-greet-signature thing before a Whitesnake show. And, he's yet another great musician from the Island! Go us! :)
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Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 01:10:11 -0500 (EST) From: SaVeur <jjens@portal.gmu.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: liner notes Message-ID: <199603050610.BAA10818@reactor.site.gmu.edu>
>Also, in the liner notes of Parralels, Dream Theater was spelled Dream >Theatre. Practical Joke or honest mistake? You be the judge.
practical joke. in the IaW liners: "Fatez Warning (jus' kiddin!!)"
j o h n j j e n s @ g m u . e d u e n s h t t p : / / w w w . s i t e . g m u . e d u / ~ j j e n s /
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Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 22:11:06 -0800 (PST) From: Steve Borzilleri <magellan@u.washington.edu> To: Dream Thespians <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: "Covers" Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.91j.960304220032.116486B-100000@homer11.u.washington.edu>
I am aware that DT played part of Queen's "Bohemian Rhapsody" on the release titled "A Change Of Seasons."
When I say "cover" I mean "play the song from start to finish." I don't agree that DT fully "covered Bohemian Rhapsody" at Ronnie Scotts because "Bohemian Rhapsody" was part of a medley, and didn't include any of Queen's vocals.
"Damage Inc." for instance, was not part of a medley. As horrible as Barney's vocals were for that song, that was in my opinion a "cover." They did the whole song, much the way they did with "Perfect Strangers" at Ronnie Scotts and a few of the shows from this past Christmas. What I meant is: if DT ever decides to do a FULL Queen song, I would like it to be the theme from Highlander.
I can play random licks from a multitude of songs. That doesn't mean I can "cover" any of them.
Bafu Vai
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Date: Sat, 2 Mar 1996 01:11:11 -0700 From: Steven & Julia Young <syoung@primenet.com> To: "'Ystejam Digest'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Man, the guy is right, you know? Message-ID: <01BB07D5.51EF8220@ip146.tus.primenet.com>
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> > Some guy said that a girl laughed at the bands he listened to : = Poison > > ,Warrant ..and DT???? How can you compare..or even use those three > > bands name together?? I agree at her laughing at Poison and = Warrant..i > > wouldve too..but not Dt..dt kicks ass!!!!!!!!!!!! <-- lame cliche.. > >=20 > > My humble opinion. > > = kurt@fgallery.com > > = kurt@dreamt.org > > +++Hi. I'm that guy. I'm going to try to restrain myself with=20 > this reply. I'm confused as to the moral wrong that I have committed. = I=20 > was not comparing DT to Poison and Warrant. I was merely listing them = as=20 > bands that I love. You seem to be implying that DT is "above" bands = like=20 > Poison and Warrant. I fail to see the grounds for such a value = judgement.=20 > Sure DT is a hundred times more complex than they are, but complexity=20 > does not impress me. Good music does ("good" in the sense that _I_ = enjoy=20 > listening to it) and in this respect, all three bands score big time. = I=20 > see DT being mentioned in the same breath as bands that I'm not too = crazy=20 > about all the time on the jam and I never resort too such arrogant = speech=20 > as what was written above. I have found that in the two years I've = been=20 > on the jam overbearing statements such those are ill-advised. I don't=20 > know how long you have been on the jam, so perhaps you already know = this=20 > and just chose to ignore it. Luckily, I'm not the type that gives a=20 > flying fuck what people think of the music I listen to (obviously, = given=20 > my tastes). However, I hope that I never see you post about how=20 > prog-rock/metal isn't given a fair shake and is laughed at by the=20 > "unenlightened" because you are guilty of the same crime yourself. I=20 > never asked anyone to like my music, just respect it. Actually, you = don't=20 > even have to respect it, just don't publicly disrespect it.=20 > > > Richie > > P.S. The relevance of my inital listing of DT, Poison, and Warrant was =
> that the girl I mentioned implied that because the music I listen to=20 > isn't on the top of the charts or available at any Wherehouse outlet=20 > (same difference) it is invalid. I found the remark to be extremely=20 > telling of what I consider to be the sad state of the music industry. = No=20 > more, no less.
Amen, brother Richie, A-MEN!!! Especially the P.S. -- Now, I'm no Poison = or Warrant fan. But, I used to be, and I know why Richie likes them -- = there's nothing wrong with that. Hell, I still listen to Kingdom Come, = Skid Row, Motley Crue and even Stryper, and I'm pretty hot on newer = bands like Brother Cane and Candlebox. And, of course, the classics, Van = Halen, Rush and Yes. But, I still claim Dream Theater, King's X and = Extreme to be my favorite bands. C'mon, y'all. There's nothing wrong = with having diverse tastes, even when they are as diverse as mine and = Richie's.
Now, as for the crap and the end of my post's -- THAT'S wrong.=20
Thanx----
Steve from Tucson syoung@primenet.com
"Whoa! Yeeeeeeah!" - James LaBrie, Long Island Expressway (Acoustic = Dreams)
P.S. Again, I raise the plea -- SOMEBODY PLEASE E-ME AND TELL ME HOW I = CAN GET RID OF ALL OF THIS JUNK APPEARING ON MY POSTS!!!
"Sorry about the mess." - Han Solo (referring to what you are about to = see below)
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Date: Sat, 2 Mar 1996 01:35:27 -0700 From: Steven & Julia Young <syoung@primenet.com> To: "'Ystejam Digest'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Has the crap been flushed? Message-ID: <01BB07D8.AC5C96A0@ip146.tus.primenet.com>
Steve from Tucson here--
and I think I've discovered the origin of the crap that's been staining the ends of my posts -- let's see if it worked...
Steve from Tucson syoung@primenet.com
"Whoa! Yeeeeeeah!" - James LaBrie, Long Island Expressway (Acoustic Dreams)
DO WE HAVE FLUSH, MR SULU?!?!?!?
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Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 00:51:30 -0800 (PST) From: "Paul W. Cashman" <vanyel@crl.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Ozrics Message-ID: <199603050851.AA28127@crl6.crl.com>
To the 'Jammer who mentioned Ozric Tentacles, they're really excellent. I recommend LIVE UNDERSLUNKY as a 74-min. live feast of their best material. Now I want to get something else by them!
-- ... Paul W. Cashman vanyel@crl.com www.crl.com/~vanyel ......... . Though we live in trying times, we're the ones who have to try . . Though we know that time has wings, we're the ones who have to fly . ................ "Everyday Glory" N. Peart ......................
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Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 02:59:50 -0600 (CST) From: Pat Griffin <c675311@everest.cclabs.missouri.edu> To: The Ytse-Skadz <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Ytsecon... Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.91.960305024223.2260B-100000@indy27.gclab.missouri.edu>
Cory (this still doesn't answer if you're male or female) writes:
>How about holding the Ytsecon in Denver? It's right in the middle of >the country, and, therefore, will cause equal distress for everyone to >get here.
The last time I looked at a map, States like Missouri and Kansas were in the middle of the country. If this has changed, could one of you please email me!? I think I've been in front of my computer too long to have overlooked this change, especially since I *live* in Missouri!
About the Ytsecons... This is quickly turning into "Have the Ytsecon in XXXXX, it will be better for everyone, sincerly, ZZZZZ from XXXXX" There are about 1300 subscribers to this list last time I heard, and if this continues, we are going to have 1000 Ytsecons this summer, all in different cities, with about 2 people at each, and we won't have a new CD till '97! There have been several proposals, and these are the ones that look good... Long Island. This has worked in the past, so stick with what you know. This works well for all of the East coasters. Las Vegas. This is a bit more central, cheap to get to (just watch your asses in the casinos!), and has gotten a good response. Plus, it will be "The Official Ytsecon of Ytse-Ben." Who could ask for anything more? (if your are new at this, that is sarcastic/hypothetical) Finally, there is the Mid-YtseCon, which would serve as a catch-all for those who can't get to Vegas or NY. I think the three cover the states pretty well (even those central states, like Colorado :P ). I'm not saying we can't have more than that, but lets be serious here.
Let the flames begin!
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Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 11:19:15 +0100 From: Tilman Kuendgen <tiku@rz.uni-sb.de> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Sieges Even Message-ID: <199603051019.LAA10689@sbusol.rz.uni-sb.de>
>Alot of people might think I'm crazy for liking this band, since some people >would probably get dizzy over it, but I really love it. The C.D. is called >"Steps". I also got "LifeCycle" by the same band and that one is REALLY >heavy!..... I just >wonder why I never heard of this German band before.... > DAMIEN
Hi Damien! In fact, Sieges Even was the band I admired the most before I knew of Dream Theater's existence back in 1992... Check out their third album "A Sense Of Change" (1991), which reminds me a lot of the sound of 80s Rush, a lot of great clean guitar sounds, weird time sigs, great songwriting with orchestration...
They also have a new one out, called "Sophisticated" (1995), featuring a new singer and a new guitarist, who absolutely plays in the same league as Petrucci. He's incredible! The whole album sounds very DTish and is recommended to every open-minded DT fan. Go out and check it out! I'm sure you'll like it! ---------------------------------------------------------------- Tilman Kuendgen --- tiku@rz.uni-sb.de ...half human, half mail... Traders! Check out my music list at: http://stud.uni-sb.de/~tiku
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Date: Tue, 5 Mar 96 11:27:35 +0100 From: nga@software-ag.de (Neil Gallop) To: ytsejam@ax.com Cc: nga@server3.software-ag.de Subject: Geriatric ramblings Message-ID: <9603051027.AA00301@sundoc13.software-ag.de>
Hi all
various bits and pieces in the last jams have got me thinking, and some of the other stuff that follows just popped into my head. This could be a long one (as the bishop said to the actress).
1. The various interpretations of the lyrics to Lie made me realize once more just how little attention I actually pay to what James is singing. I like the sound of his voice, and I now know some bits of some of the texts through repeated listening, but be honest, how many of you would know all of the lyrics without having read them? This is not a dig at Dream Theater, just a comment that also applies to a lot of other bands. Some bands don't even bother printing the lyrics and that's fine by me (if my memory serves me correctly, I think the first band to provide lyrics was the Beatles on Sgt. Peppers). Would we all like Dream Theater if they came from Iceland and sang everything in Iclandic? I would like to think so. It's the music that counts. Which brings me on to my next point.
2. Last week I had the audacity to confess that I had been to see Silverchair and liked it. Death to the blasphemer! Some people really went over the top in their e-mails to me, so just to put the record straight: Dream Theater make some of my favourite music, but I don't listen to just Dream Theater, and I don't listen to them that often. This makes their music special to me - something to be enjoyed and savoured. I am overall a very sensuous person, and I sometimes liken listening to music to eating and drinking: everything that I "consume" has to agree with my own tastes and be well done for what it is. If I'm in the mood for a cheese sandwich and a beer, then a good cheese sandwich with a good beer, not just some cheap crap from the nearest deli. If, however, I want something more demanding, for example beef in red wine, the same applies. I expect what I consider to be quality, and I certainly eat more cheese sandwiches than beef in red wine. Anyway, complexity doesn't always equate with better: one of my favourite things is oysters and champagne, and what could be simpler than that, but then again, that is also something for special occasions. In my mind, it is the every-day things that make me realize just how good the special things are. I think if I listened to any one particular band or type of music all the time, it would go stale on me fairly quick. Just my opinion.
3. Time for a music tip. If you like nice, slow melodic piano stuff like on Shadow Gallery's "Carved in Stone", then check out the track "...A Distance There Is" by the Norwegian band Theatre Of Tragedy. A really beautiful song, very moody and atmospheric, with just a piano, the female vocalist and a thunderstorm. It sends shivers down my teeth just thinking about it.
4. Did anybody else catch the Headbanger's Ball "Bay Area" special on Sunday? Some good stuff with Machine Head in the studio, and a live preview of one of the new songs, which sounded good, but the recording quality was pretty poor. On to my point. I fell asleep at about 1.15, and I was wondering if Rob Flynn said when the new album can be expected. Any help, anybody?
5. Pantera: beckon and call. Judas Priest: breaking the law. Yes (I forget who commented on the similarity, but I agree with you).
6. For any Kraut jammers in the Rhein-Main area: Vanden Plas will be playing in Wiesbaden on the 30th of April. See you there (contact me if you want more details).
Well, I guess that just about covers everything for now. Looking forward to getting my copy of the Superior CD (thanks Bernd).
stay safe and happy listening Neil Gallop (nga@software-ag.de)
Currently playing: Die Krupps - A Tribute To Metallica
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Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 11:44:40 +0100 From: Bernd Basmer <basmer@med-rz.uni-sb.de> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: SUPERIOR live pictures Message-ID: <9603051044.AA01438@krzsun.med-rz.uni-sb.de>
Hi!
I just wanted to tell everyone, that Mikko has added some live pics of our shows in December to his SUPERIOR-WWW-page at http://info.rpkk.fi/opsivut/y1b/mikko.kalermo/superior.htm
Have a look at them and tell me what you think about them.
Thanks.
Bye.
Bernd.
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Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 08:39:07 -0800 From: Chris Oates <aspect@cats.ucsc.edu> To: The BafuJam <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Looking for DT Boots Message-ID: <199603051639.IAA16501@cats.ucsc.edu>
Hi, I'm looking for DT boots. I particularly like the ones JM is wearing on the I & W back cover, but hey, I'm not picky. Anyone know if Kev wore boots any time? He had the best shirts, so it would stand that he had the best boots. __ /\ __ __\/__\/__ \_||_/ ~Chris /__||__\ // \ | \\ \|
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Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 09:04:29 -0800 From: Chris Oates <aspect@cats.ucsc.edu> To: The BafuJam <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Wow! Message-ID: <199603051704.JAA20847@cats.ucsc.edu>
I love reading a bog ol' pile of jams in reverse order. Makes me feel like a time traveler.
Kobayashi Anagrams? Cool. How about a reformed Mr. Scrooge, who is told not to say "Humbug" anymore, wondering:
"Is 'bah' okay?"
Well, it's just the last name, but whaddaya expect on no sleep for free?
mmm. corndog. __ /\ __ __\/__\/__ \_||_/ ~Chris /__||__\ // \ | \\ \|
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