YTSEJAM Digest 1327
Today's Topics:
1) what's wrong?
by Kris Claerhout <100522.625@compuserve.com>
2) First-Lady...
by Pat Griffin <c675311@everest.cclabs.missouri.edu>
3) Mail Item Format Warning
by "RESPONSE at IBMMAIL 03/06/96 - 13:52:06" <response@ibmmail.com>
4) YTSEJAM digest 1326
by sysopjustin@nwohio.com
5) Flamebait...
by Pat Griffin <c675311@everest.cclabs.missouri.edu>
6) Yet again...
by Pat Griffin <c675311@everest.cclabs.missouri.edu>
7) This is getting tiring...
by Pat Griffin <c675311@everest.cclabs.missouri.edu>
8) I understand
by rtgood@students.wisc.edu (Sir Ryan of Good)
9) MidWest YtseCon
by Jeff Chew <jc309@columbia.edu>
10) rtgood & Mike Varney
by Sean T Gill <stg@csd.uwm.edu>
11) Confusion
by mojoman@pointblank.com
12) first lady
by SEEGED73@VAXA.CIS.UWOSH.EDU
13) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1325
by "Ytse' Jim" <jlutz@hartford.edu>
14) Re: Higlander
by marcr@tiac.net (Marc Respass)
15) Re: Joey Dunn's dilema
by marcr@tiac.net (Marc Respass)
16) No Michelangelo for me!
by marcr@tiac.net (Marc Respass)
17) alternative (to) music
by marcr@tiac.net (Marc Respass)
18) Re: other songs in Erotomania
by marcr@tiac.net (Marc Respass)
19) Re: lame ASCII graphics
by marcr@tiac.net (Marc Respass)
20) Re: keu@pointblank.com is not causing trouble?
by marcr@tiac.net (Marc Respass)
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Date: 06 Mar 96 05:46:08 EST
From: Kris Claerhout <100522.625@compuserve.com>
To: List Dream Theater <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com>
Subject: what's wrong?
Message-ID: <960306104607_100522.625_JHB94-2@CompuServe.COM>
I haven't got the Ytsejam for the last two weeks (or more). Can someone tell me
what's wrong and if this is still on the list?
Kris
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Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 07:45:24 -0600 (CST)
From: Pat Griffin <c675311@everest.cclabs.missouri.edu>
To: ThE NuGgeTjAm <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: First-Lady...
Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.91.960306074429.7846A-100000@indy27.gclab.missouri.edu>
>From: "John R. Kotzian" <koggie@cyberspace.org>
>Hey,
> Well, we done got ourselves a Prez, How's about a First-Lady? ;)
Who would want to marry Bafu? ;)
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Date: Wed, 06 Mar 1996 08:54:45 EST
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To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Mail Item Format Warning
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Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 08:59:08 -0500
From: sysopjustin@nwohio.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: YTSEJAM digest 1326
Message-ID: <TCPSMTP.16.3.6.8.59.8.2312803752.110520@nwohio.nwohio.com>
Has anyone besides me in this world heard a band called Crimson
Glory? There are a lot like DT but without the keyboard effects and
stuff. But if your into guitar, you should check them out. The guitar
players work really well together. And about this new age music?? I
seen someone said something about no one knows music well enough to
appreciate the style and talents of DT. I agree totally. It sucks that
almost all of these new bands comming out can't play a song to save
their life! The singers sound like my dog howling at a train or
something... Drums?? hmmm, I've heard sheep fuck with more harmony
than that! And a lot of these guitar players are just pathetic! I
think that it's really extraordinary that the DT member have found each
other!! Keep up the excellent work DT, and especially John Petrucci!!!
Justin Humberger
sysopjustin@nwohio.com
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Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 07:59:21 -0600 (CST)
From: Pat Griffin <c675311@everest.cclabs.missouri.edu>
To: ThE NuGgeTjAm <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Flamebait...
Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.91.960306075515.7846B-100000@indy27.gclab.missouri.edu>
>No, I notice it... BUT HOW MUCH CAN YOU TALK ABOUT A BAND who isnt
>really That popular anymore. THE Happening thing is ALTERNITVE...
Uhhh... DT still has a following, or there would be no list. They are
selling enough records to make their money, and 5 years from now, when
Grunge and Alternative have bit the dust, they will still be doing just
that. It'a about *music*, not what's *popular*.
>MAYBE DT should go altern. And sell some CD's!!!!
MAYBE YOU should get your head out of your ass and join another mailing
list.
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Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 08:05:37 -0600 (CST)
From: Pat Griffin <c675311@everest.cclabs.missouri.edu>
To: ThE NuGgeTjAm <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Yet again...
Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.91.960306080336.7846D-100000@indy27.gclab.missouri.edu>
>I am not causing trouble Tough guy, so calm your little pitts there..
Looks like someone has watched "The Jerky Boys" once too often...
>I am sorry that you are such a HAPLESS MOON CALF to understand my
>point.
Uhhh...!?
>So, ill let you get back to your Anil Liberal life....
Ben, looks like we have a contender to snatch that "Spelling Bee Champ"
title right out from under you.
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Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 08:08:22 -0600 (CST)
From: Pat Griffin <c675311@everest.cclabs.missouri.edu>
To: ThE NuGgeTjAm <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: This is getting tiring...
Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.91.960306080642.7846E-100000@indy27.gclab.missouri.edu>
>From: keu@pointblank.com
>YT>Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 21:45:00 -0500 (EST)
>YT>From: "Richard A. Rivera" <rrivera@moose.uvm.edu>
>YT> I just wanted to extend a big hi-five to Steve, Mojoman, and
>YT>D-man for backing me up on the whole Poison/Warrant/DT-thing.
>you forgot someone........
No, I think the word you are looking for is "ignored," would you like to
try our bonus round?
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Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 09:25:30 -0600
From: rtgood@students.wisc.edu (Sir Ryan of Good)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: I understand
Message-ID: <199603061525.JAA133216@audumla.students.wisc.edu>
To Karri-
You are correct: the more exposure of prog the better (maybe). And
the "neo-classical" part of the live ACOS is amazing. I guess I just don't
have any faith for neoclassical after Yngwie ruined it. So, like I said, if
Shrapnel can find some TALENTED neoclassical people, or some other prog that
Magna Carta can't get their hands on, more power to them. NO NEW YNGWIE!!!
____________________________________
"Raise a little Cain when Abel turns away"
name - Ryan T. Good
e-mail - rtgood@students.wisc.edu
phone - 1-(608)-264-2268
what - Madison Student Radio
who - Music Staff (Music Stapher)
which kind - Progressive Rock/Heavy Metal
why - why not?
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Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 10:40:04 -0500 (EST)
From: Jeff Chew <jc309@columbia.edu>
To: BafuJam <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: MidWest YtseCon
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91.960306103853.12579A-100000@sawasdee.cc.columbia.edu>
Dear jammers,
Hey there! This is a letter to those working on the MidWest Con...can
you guys e-mail me so I know who exactly is working on it? I'll then add
you guys to my YtseCon III Staff distribution list.
Yours,
Jeff =)
<*> Jeff Chew <*> jc309@columbia.edu <*> (212) 853-6952 <*>
<*> http://www.columbia.edu/~jc309 <*>
<*> Lifting Shadows : http://www.columbia.edu/~jc309/dreamt.html <*>
"Lifting Shadows Off a Dream once broken, she can turn a drop of
water into an ocean" -- John Myung, Dream Theater
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Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 09:56:02 -0600 (CST)
From: Sean T Gill <stg@csd.uwm.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: rtgood & Mike Varney
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.91.960306093538.28129B-100000@alpha2.csd.uwm.edu>
Just to clear up a few things...
Mike Varney did not post to the jam, I forwarded part of a message
I got from Igor, the guy in charge of neoclassical online. Shrapnel is
looking for unsigned bands in the prog/neoclassical lump.
And to Sir Ryan of Good, Yngwie isn't the only guy out there doing the
music. Have you ever seen a Shrapnel catalog? There are other players
doing Neoclassical, though few of them do it full time like Yngwie. Not
only does Shrapnel help fans of guitar music get what they want, they have an
extensive line of great blues albums, and not all by no name performers.
And as far as I know, Shrapnel and Magna Carta are not connected.
Neoclassical and shred are not dead. In a manner similar to DT they are
somewhat underground. DT isn't the biggest selling band in the world, but
they have a growing base of dedicated fans (like us) to support them.
That's what the Neoclassical Online is all about. Only the best of the
genre are still around. In the 80's there were countless lame copycats
who flooded the market and basically turned people off to shred because
there was just too much of it. Let's hope that doesn't happen to prog. In
a market sense, it happened to prog in the seventies. Many people thought
it wwas too overblown and pompus. Enter punk, the antithesis of prog.
It all comes around
TTFN- Sean
BTW- I seem to be building up to a big rant. Just wanted to warn everyone.
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Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 11:04:32 -0500
From: mojoman@pointblank.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Confusion
Message-ID: <TCPSMTP.16.3.6.11.4.32.2377490627.1238307@pointblank.com>
There seems to be a bit of confusion about some Pointblank
subscribers...
I AM NOT KEU !!!!!!!!!
There is a person subscribed to the same Internet provider as I..
Yes, I know him. I work with him. I did not put him up to joining
this list. He joined of his own accord, and has his own views...
Please do not confuse mine with his....(views)
I don't want to recieve flaming for **** I didnt say!
remember I am not Keu....
I AM
M O J O M A N !!!!
PS I think a sig file may be a good thing from now on!
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Date: Wed, 06 Mar 1996 10:03:23 -0600 (CST)
From: SEEGED73@VAXA.CIS.UWOSH.EDU
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: first lady
Message-ID: <01I20J2DEQOI009K9A@VAXA.CIS.UWOSH.EDU>
Date sent: 6-MAR-1996 10:01:21
Someone asked about the First Lady of the Jam. Is there a way I can be
first lady without marrying Bafu? JUst wondering...
ALso, someone else asked about the latest Faith No More album. It's OK,
abut they don't really experiment with as many styles as they did on The
Real Thing or even Angel Dust. That's my brief opinion...
________________________________________________________________________________
Deb "The Doublebass Goddess and Aspiring Recording Engineer" Seeger
University of Wisconsin-Oshkosh Class of 1996
seeged73@vaxa.cis.uwosh.edu
"I think most people believe in God...just in case."
- Marc Maron
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Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 11:15:53 -0500 (EST)
From: "Ytse' Jim" <jlutz@hartford.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1325
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.960306105406.11451A@jabba>
>From: swanson@henge.com (Cory Swanson)
Am I evil?
>I am Man.
sorry, couldn't resist :)
>First off, does anyone have
>Faith No More's most recent album? I want to get it but haven't heard it
>yet. How does it compare to The Real Thing and Angel Dust?
It's still Faith No More, but their sound has changed a bit since Jim Martain
left. If you liked RT and AD, I'm pretty sure you'll like King for a Day.
It's one of my favorite albums actually. Each song has it's own style, they are
all different. Some songs are slow and groovey, others are fast and hard
edged. My recomendation is: If your a FNM fan, Buy it! If your not too
sure, listen to a few songs before buying it.
>From: keu@pointblank.com
>No, I notice it... BUT HOW MUCH CAN YOU TALK ABOUT A BAND who isnt
>really That popular anymore. THE Happening thing is ALTERNITVE... MAYBE
>DT should go altern. And sell some CD's!!!!
Change your style to become more popular?
I know you might find this hard to believe, but many musicians care about
the music they play. It's not _just_ about the money...
> I never said i didnt like DT I really LOVE them.. If i didnt
>why would i be on this mailing list??
I think we are all still tryin' to figure this question out.
So let me get this straight...You LOVE Dream Theater and their music, BUT
think they should change into an alternative band?!?
The reason people are comin' down on ya is because your not makin' a lot
of sense. You contradict yourself with every statement.
Hey Baldy, Thanks for the wonderful copy of LatM....
hehehe
({})({})({})({})({})({})({})({})({})({})({})({})({})({})({})({})({})({})({})
) YtseJim ) The Greatest Trick (
( <YtseJim@dreamt.org> ( The Devil Ever Pulled )
) <lutz@uhavax.hartford.edu> ) Was Convincing The World (
( <jlutz@morpheus.hartford.edu> ( He Didn't Exist )
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Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 12:09:49 -0500
From: marcr@tiac.net (Marc Respass)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Higlander
Message-ID: <v01530504ad63656ce5bf@[206.119.183.235]>
> But the second one [Higlander] sucked majorly. The third one
> would have been okay if it didn't copy the first. And it
> would have been VERY cool if DT had done some of the music.
There was a Highlander 3? When was that? Is it on video yet? I liked 1, 2
was pretty good. I used to watch the series too. Fun. Always a different
ending. That's what I liked about it :).
--Marc R
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Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 12:09:36 -0500
From: marcr@tiac.net (Marc Respass)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Cc: Joseph Dunn <jdunn@toto.csustan.edu>
Subject: Re: Joey Dunn's dilema
Message-ID: <v01530503ad6361e51176@[206.119.183.235]>
Joseph Dunn <jdunn@toto.csustan.edu> writes:
> Well, I have a little of a dilema before me. I have been
> accepted to Berklee for next fall; but I don't know if I
> want to go there anymore. I have been looking at North
> Texas and they offer better scholarship opps than Berklee
> does...I just don't know what I should do. I have been
> going to CSU Stanislaus for the past year, I have a year of
> Theory and Eartraining under my belt as with a jazz
> arrainging course...Any input on the two schools and any
> other suggestions as far as schools go would be
> appreciated.
Hi Joey,
I haven't been to North Texas but I did go to Berklee a few years ago. I've
heard great things about North Texas too. Here's my impression of Berklee.
Berklee is full of fantastic players and amzing teachers. But it's equally
or more filled with mediocre to poor players and not so good teachers. If
you really want to learn a lot, you can definitely do it at Berklee. You
can request particular teachers and get your butt kicked. Problem is that
your first sememster at least will not be determined by you. You might get
a lousy private lesson teacher (the Bass dept. had only 1 or 2 bad teachers
BTW) and a mix of teachers for other classes. You may get an ear training
teacher who's so easy that you don't have to practice to get an A - thereby
not learning what your grade implies. But there is a good chance that
you'll get some great teachers. I had lots of fantastic teachers. One other
thing about Berklee. It suffered (probably still does) from what my
classical teacher called East Coast Conservatory Syndrome (or something
similar). It's the philosophy that, not only do I have to be better than
you but you have to be worse than me. A strange, extremely competitive
philosophy, I think. My teacher was pushing me to go to Texas. He said
there were some great players there and the atmosphere was really good. A
lot of famous players did go to Berklee but I know some went to North
Texas. There's also a school in Florida. I think it's Southern Florida
University??? Anyway, good luck and I hope this info helps. Feel free to
email me if you want more of my 5 year old experience :).
--Marc Respass
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Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 12:10:08 -0500
From: marcr@tiac.net (Marc Respass)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: No Michelangelo for me!
Message-ID: <v01530507ad636af231dc@[206.119.183.235]>
> just wanted to remind that tomorrow is michelangelo's
> birthday (march 6), and that means the michelangelo virus
> may be around to fuck someone's day up.
Ha ha ha ha. Macintosh computers are immune to this virus and the number of
viruses available is significantly lower than the number available for
PC's. So I'll be surfin' while you all are worrying :D (no Mac v. PC stuff
immplied nor wanted - just thought it was funny).
Ironically, I didn't get this until March 6, so I'd be outta luck.
--Marc R
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Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 12:10:14 -0500
From: marcr@tiac.net (Marc Respass)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: alternative (to) music
Message-ID: <v01530508ad636b99591f@[206.119.183.235]>
> Something else....I try and try to dislike
> alternative....but, hey...I like most of it. What can I
> say? It's not that bad....just reeeeeeeeeeeeally simple.
> :-)
ha ha. I remember how hard I tried to hate Duran Duran but I was finally
bagged. You know, the bass player is pretty good. Some nice lines :). But
it also makes me think - alternative? I don't need an alternative, I like
music.
--Marc R
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Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 12:10:20 -0500
From: marcr@tiac.net (Marc Respass)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: other songs in Erotomania
Message-ID: <v01530509ad636c718bdf@[206.119.183.235]>
> Hey everyone. I recently read the DT FAQ and it mentions
> that Erotomania is composed of riffs from other songs. I
> don't understand; I can't recognize ANY of them. Could
> someone please reply with the songs and riffs which are
> similar? (You might want to include the time in the songs
> where there's similarity, since I don't see any other easy
> way to identify a certain riff) Thanks to all who reply. If
> you want to send it privately, my address is emc@caribe.net.
I sure hope that you don't feel silly about this because it took me forever
to realise any similarities. And. That was after I had learned the song (on
bass) :|. OK, so here's the only bit that I can recognise.
0:00 - this is the Erotomania riff. I don't recognize it it any other song
3:05 - Silent Man part
3:24 - "When there is reason..." Petrucci plays the melody
I really don't hear other songs in this. I mean, I think of Erotomania as a
sort of overture to Voices and The Silent Man so I expect to hear bits of
those tunes in there.
Anyone else have any more?
--Marc R
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Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 12:10:29 -0500
From: marcr@tiac.net (Marc Respass)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: lame ASCII graphics
Message-ID: <v0153050aad6374b37c7e@[206.119.183.235]>
From: "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu> wrote
> YT>Um, it's a .signature file, jackass.
>
keu@pointblank.com replied
>
> i know what that is you fool.. What is that lame "ascii"
> grpx.. you have there? is that a chicken or something???
That's Chris holding his hands to his ears and sticking out his tongue at you :)
--Marc R
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Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 12:10:33 -0500
From: marcr@tiac.net (Marc Respass)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Cc: keu@pointblank.com
Subject: Re: keu@pointblank.com is not causing trouble?
Message-ID: <v0153050bad6375d9c16b@[206.119.183.235]>
keu@pointblank.com goes on to say:
> I am not causing trouble Tough guy, so calm your little
> pitts there.. I am only asking ligit questions. AND instead
> of going though that other pointblank subsciber i signed on
> myself to ask them. I am sorry that you are such a HAPLESS
> MOON CALF to understand my point. So, ill let you get back
> to your Anil Liberal life....
In fact, keu, you do seem to be causing trouble if the amount of flame mail
on the 'jam is any indication. It is possible that you are being sarcastic
or attempting humour, but I would submit that you failed to convey your
intentions, if that is the case. Problem with the 'net is that words are
all there are. No body language or tone of voice. So, in the event that
something might be ambiguous, you might consider a smiley or the "<G>" or
just write "joking" or "sarcasm". That would make things more clear. Some
people have a problem with not being able to control their anger and have
an "itchy trigger finger" if you will. So before you relate more of your
implied conservative idealism on the entire Ytsejam, you might consider
reading over your posts for ambiguities and items that might be
missinterpreted then further consider something to clearly state your
position.
--Marc Respass
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