YTSEJAM Digest 1514
Today's Topics:
1) Mail Item Format Warning
by "RESPONSE at IBMMAIL 05/02/96 - 21:51:14" <response@ibmmail.com>
2) WARNING: DTC !!! (The Mirror)
by Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl>
3) Heavy Stuff + Marillion
by Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl>
4) And the award goes to...
by Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl>
5) Tourniquet
by jgreene@acs.bu.edu
6) Solitude Aeturnus
by jgreene@acs.bu.edu
7) A couple of replies
by borlangw <borlangw@dcs.gla.ac.uk>
8) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1510
by kretschmer@bdt.com (Jon Kretschmer)
9) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1513
by buster <buster@ee.net>
10) Glam Bands?
by Steve Borzilleri <magellan@u.washington.edu>
11) Rapoport
by Steve Borzilleri <magellan@u.washington.edu>
12) Al Pitrelli & Sava pics...
by Nathan Bradley~ <nbradley@sedona.intel.com>
13) Catch Phrases, etc...
by BigDTFan@aol.com
14) The heaviest DT song
by zack@lsil.com (Zack Gemmill)
15) Get InTERNET PHONE...off the net. kinda cool
by market@clubmet.metrobbs.com
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Date: Thu, 02 May 1996 16:50:10 EDT
From: "RESPONSE at IBMMAIL 05/02/96 - 21:51:14" <response@ibmmail.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Mail Item Format Warning
Message-ID: <199605022049.NAA27455@mindcrime.ax.com>
The mail item that you sent at 20:49:44 GMT on 02 May 1996 has been delivered.
However, it has been necessary to convert this item into a
format that is acceptable to the recipient, FITIPMOL at IBMMAIL.
Information beyond column 79 in the mail item will have been wrapped.
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Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 22:41:46 +-200
From: Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl>
To: "'100% guaranteed flame-free Jam !'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: WARNING: DTC !!! (The Mirror)
Message-ID: <01BB387F.88D6C840@ppp132.GlobalXS.nl>
*** WARNING - THIS MESSAGE CONTAINS DREAM THEATER CONTENT ***
On Jam #1510 John Estok said:
> Then again, this is coming from the same person who thinks
> "The Mirror" is about a drug dealer!! (And I can defend that!)
Itchy says:
Well, there is a sample on "The Mirror" from the movie 'Light Sleeper'
which is about a drug dealer... I sent a message about that a while
back, here it is again :
> I think the woman's voice ('everything you need is around you, the
> only danger is inside you') is Mary Beth Hurt in a movie called
> Lightsleeper. Here's some info on it:
>
> Light Sleeper (1992, 103 min.)
> Rating: ***
> Director: Paul Schrader
>
> Cast: Willem Dafoe, Susan Sarandon, Dana Delany, David Clennon
> Mary Beth Hurt, Victor Garber, Jane Adams, Paul Jabara,
> David Spade
>
> Review:
> Quintessential Schrader Lonely Guy film, with Dafoe an aging
> sadsack who wants more out of life than his dead-end job taxi-ing
> cocaine to upscale users in N.Y. Well performed by all, and with
> surprising dashes of loopy humor--though leading to an inevitable
> bloodbath given the standard blueprint for most Schrader movies.
> Quite the image-altering showcase for Delany.
Unfortunately, no one confirmed this for me, or proved me wrong for
that matter.....
I also found out where the other samples came from:
> Damage (1992, 111 min.)
> Rating: **1/2
> Director: Louis Malle
>
> Cast: Jeremy Irons, Juliette Binoche, Miranda Richardson, Rupert
> Graves, Ian Bannen, Leslie Caron, Peter Stormare, Gemma Clark
>
> Arch-to-a-fault adaptation of Josephine Hart's minimalist best-
> seller, about a middle-aged Brit politician who squanders his career
> and family when he embarks upon a hot-sex affair with his son's
> mysterious girlfriend. Binoche is frigidly one-note as the latter,
> sinking what in some ways is dispassionately accomplished filmmaking.
> Richardson is spectacularly good as Irons' spurned wife. Screenplay
> by David Hare. Fine music score by Zbigniew Preisner. Unrated version
> available on cassette and laserdisc at 112m.
I even turned it into a transcription with the times on which the
samples appear on 'The Mirror'
> The sound bites are in capitols, so put in your earplugs ;-)
>
> (Jeremy Irons in Damage)
> The feeling that (3:23) I HAVEN'T BEHAVED AS I SHOULD.
> You know, what you were saying in Hartley about passion...
> You were right. I was distanted. I know I was.
>
> (Mary Beth Hurt in Lightsleeper)
> (3:26) EVERYTHING YOU NEED IS AROUND YOU, THE ONLY DANGER IS
> INSIDE YOU
>
> (Jeremy Irons in Damage)
> (3:34) YOU SEE, I THOUGHT YOU COULD CONTROL LIFE...
> (3:39) BUT IT'S NOT LIKE THAT... There are things you...
> (3:42) THERE ARE THINGS YOU CAN'T CONTROL
I'm still not 100 % sure about 'Lightsleeper'. Anyone ?
> BTW, does that mean my name will be mentioned in the FAQ?
> That would be sooo cool !!!
IMO, 'The Mirror' is clearly about the events that happen in the
movie 'Damage'... Watch the movie & read the lyrics...
Then let me know what you think...
Bogie said:
> Some feel that it deals with losing trust in a signficant other...
Could that significant other be a FATHER who's sleeping with his
SONS GIRLFRIEND ? (again: check out the movie 'Damage')
Hasta Luego... Pasta & Legos,
Itchy (NOT Bitchy)
Mark Bredius, Bredius@GlobalXS.nl - Itchy@dreamt.org
__________________________________________________________________/\____
When you list all the qualities that you despise | LOOK IN / \
And you realise... You're describing yourself | THE MIRROR C" D\
(Marillion - The Rakes Progress, Holidays In Eden) | MY FRIEND ()-( )\
___________________________________________________|__________/ ~ \
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Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 22:42:09 +-200
From: Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl>
To: "'100% guaranteed flame-free Jam !'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Heavy Stuff + Marillion
Message-ID: <01BB387F.9105D060@ppp132.GlobalXS.nl>
Itchy's thoughts on the 'Heaviest DT-songs'-topic:
* Metropolis - Part I (Nintendo-stuff)
Try letting a 'DT-Virgin' sit through that one !
* Lie (chorus + kick-ass guitar-solo)
* Space-Dye Vest (real *heavy* in the other sense of the word)
* Voices (LaBrie's vox during that 'Fuck This Whore'-bit)
---Just another thought on QR-fans dumping on DT... Maybe they mis-interpretted 'TAKE HOLD OF THE FLAME' !
---
> And about The Beatles. I know they're supposed to be the fathers > of all pop music and thus all rock, and we're all supposed to like > them, but am I alone in saying they suck?
COOL! A "Beatles vs. Dream Theater"-thread... Hope those Beatles-fans aren't gonna flame us now...
---
Congratulations to Corey E. Cleary for posting his first real message (check it out! it's on jam #1511!)... There's hope for you yet, kid ! --> IMO <--
Disclaimer: I didn't mean to flame Cory ;-)
---
Bogie said:
> Actually, every time that I hear this part of the song, I come out > of it singing, "When there is reason, arrive the Silent Man." > I don't know about everyone else... :)
Yup, me too. That's probably because that's one of those many links DT put in, to connect the songs... They do that a lot (listen to 'Wait For Sleep' and 'Learning To Live')...
*** START OF SHAMELESS MARILLION PLUG ***
Marillion does that about a Zillion times (give of take a few) on their Fucking Kick-ass Brilliant 71:08-long Epic Concept-album BRAVE! Examples: Track 4 starts where track 1 ended... Tracks 4 and 10 both share some melodies and lyrics... well check it out and let me know what you think... They're in serious need of US-Freaks (Marillion-fans)
I have been a HUGE DT-fan since '89 (WDADU) but Marillion is & will always be my #1... I bet a lot of you guys would really dig their stuff if you gave it half a chance... but you probably won't... (this is a dare!). It might take some time to really get into them. My advice is: "Take The Time"... You won't be disappointed... Mail me privately if you want to know anything about Marillion or how to join the Freaks mailinglist...
*** END OF SHAMELESS MARILLION PLUG ***
Hasta Luego... Pasta & Legos,
Itchy (NOT Bitchy) Mark Bredius, Bredius@GlobalXS.nl - Itchy@dreamt.org ________________________________________________________________________ Tell me I'm mad. How should I know ? |Marillion /\_____ Tell me I'm mad. I have been here for so long |Tori Amos / \____ Help me paint a picture. Then say it's a lie |Yes, Rush / \___ Tell me I'm mad ! You're a fine one to decide..... |Genesis C" D \__ Marillion - Goodbye to all that / Mad (Brave) |QR + DT ()-( ) \_ ___________________________________________________|________/ ~ \
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Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 22:48:07 +-200 From: Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl> To: "'100% guaranteed flame-free Jam !'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: And the award goes to... Message-ID: <01BB387F.964AB0E0@ppp132.GlobalXS.nl>
Hi, it's Itchy again (three posts in a row, sorry guys)
Here are some statistics on last months digests. (1390-1507)
Jams : 117 Posters : 324 Messages : 1979
*** Most Frequent Posters ***
# | E-mail address | EoJ | Posts ---+-----------------------------+-----+------ 1 | response@ibmmail.com | 1 | 114 2 | Damon M. Fibraio | 1 | 107 3 | Ernesto Schnack | 2 | 55 4 | Christopher R. Merlo | 5 | 49 5 | Steve Borzilleri (Bafu Vai) | 8 | 45 6 | Corey E Cleary | 2 | 39 <- You Made It! 7 | Pat Griffin | 3 | 34 7 | Scott Cook | 2 | 34 8 | Ytse-Ben | 2 | 31 9 | RipZero | 2 | 28 10 | Doug Cronkhite | 1 | 26
No big surprises there, right? Corey made it to the MFP-list as expected (you can unsubscribe now). Damon should be the official number 1 poster. Will we never get rid of that stupid IBMMail-thing?
*** Most Frequent Endings Top 3 ***
# | MFP | E-mail address | EoJ | Posts ---+-----+-----------------------------+-----+------ 1 | 5 | Steve Borzilleri (Bafu Vai) | 8 | 45 2 | 4 | Christopher R. Merlo | 5 | 49 3 | 16 | Michael Bahr | 3 | 19 3 | 26 | Warren D Williams | 3 | 9 3 | 16 | Michael Backof | 3 | 19 3 | 7 | Pat Griffin | 3 | 34 3 | 18 | Zack Gemmill | 3 | 17
Like I said before... Bafu, you've got to be the luckiest son of a bitch on the Jam... Eight "End of the Spam"-messages... Congratz!
Hasta Luego... Pasta & Legos,
Itchy (NOT Bitchy) <- Who else? Mark Bredius, Bredius@GlobalXS.nl - Itchy@dreamt.org __________________________________________________________________/\____ When you list all the qualities that you despise All the / \___ And you realise... White Horses C" D\__ You're describing yourself (Marillion) Have Gone Ahead ()-( )\_ ______________________________________________________________/ ~ \
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Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 17:31:42 -0400 From: jgreene@acs.bu.edu To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Tourniquet Message-ID: <199605022131.RAA206996@acs5.bu.edu>
I NEVER thought I would see the name of this band cross the jam...
I have listened to them since my pre-highschool dayz - I have
"Stop the bleeding" "Psycho Surgery" "Pathogenic Occular Dissonace"
If you want them, any of 'em, they're yours. They have new stuff out, but you have to look hard, and in some not so common locations - like your gospel music bookstore. Yep, tourniquet is/was the frontline metal band of the God-Rock genre. Anyway, you asked, I answered. Mail be back privately at
jeffrey g.
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Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 17:37:09 -0400 From: jgreene@acs.bu.edu To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Solitude Aeturnus Message-ID: <199605022137.RAA192764@acs5.bu.edu>
anyone on the jam listen to this band? Just curious as to the opinions about 'em...
jeffrey g.
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Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 23:20:13 +0100 From: borlangw <borlangw@dcs.gla.ac.uk> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: A couple of replies Message-ID: <9605022220.AA15750@saunders.dcs.gla.ac.uk>
Edd wrote: > Naaa, Grahams fat and sweaty and chases sheep for thrills! ;-)))
That wasn't a sheep, Edd, it was The Digital Man!! ;-)
Neil wrote: > 5. I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy (how's the > head these days, Graham?).
I'm still waiting for the spare parts to arrive :-) BTW, I just heard that the new Pantera album (I forget the title) is out in the UK on May 7th, I think. Pretty soon, anyway :-)
Itchy wrote: > Isn't it 'go down on you in a theatER' ? ;-)
Nah, she's Canadian :-)
Pat wrote: > I say that we petition the people at Sega who are > making the pinball game, and ask that they release the soundtrack on CD,
Let's all chip in to buy Mike Bahr a Saturn, and then he can stick the soundtrack on his next release :-)
Anyway, flame-dodging on the jam is more fun than monster-dodging on a console :-)
Graham B. ____________________________________________________________________________ | | | Graham Borland, borlangw@dcs.gla.ac.uk, http://www.dcs.gla.ac.uk/~borlangw |:: |____________________________________________________________________________|:: ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
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Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 15:33:26 +0800 From: kretschmer@bdt.com (Jon Kretschmer) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1510 Message-ID: <v01510100adae15589958@[206.14.103.54]>
> >(If you get any of these on mailing lists to which you subscribe, >forward them to djackson@aol.net, because David O'Donnell will be gone >during that time and wants these things turned over to AOL security.)
AOL security? Does this sound funny to anyone else? hehe...: )
Well, I say we email bomb Steve Case. Whats his email address?
Jon
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Date: Thu, 02 May 1996 18:44:50 -0700 From: buster <buster@ee.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1513 Message-ID: <31896512.E1A@ee.net>
To the guy who wants help deciding which QR CD to get first:
OPERATION MINDCRIME hands down!!! I've been a Ryche fan since their first album/demo came out. I love all of their stuff, but this is why I recommend Mindcrime:
1. Best mix of all Queenryches styles. Heavy, mellow, acoustic, electric, all vocal ranges, etc...
2. Mindcrime is at their peek...they had learned much from the previous albums, and this one has the total "fire" of Ryche!
3. Mindcrime is a big time concept album. It's too much to write about, but here is the basic jist of it:
There is an underground political organization called the order. They are kind of like a mob. They people of the country are rallying in "Revolution" like movements. The Order takes advantage of a couple of poor souls to perform their assasinations and other plots. The two "victims" are Mary (a teenage runaway hooker), and our main character Niki (a young rebellious punk/drug addict). Dr.X of the order manipulates Niki with heroin and Mary. After using Mary to manipulate Niki, Dr.X tries to convince Niki he must kill her also. (there's something to do with a preist here that I dont quite understand. I know the priest helps Mary off the streets, but then uses her for sex) Niki goes to Mary in confusion, then tries to warn her and get her to unite with him and bail. Niki wakes up in Mary's apartment after a heroin jaunt, handcuffed with police around. He has been framed for Mary's death! Niki ends up in a psycho ward or hospital, completely warped from everything that has happened, to the point where he doesn't even really know himself anymore (Eye's of a Stranger)!
You'll notice that in the beginning of a CD you hear a nurse giving a guys a shot. Listen carefully to the news on the TV in the background..it gives you a clue about all this. Welp, that guy is Niki...and as he nods off from the shot, you relive the entire journey...OPERATION MINDCRIME!
It's a very exciting album to me, and when I saw them do it live I was amazed! My favorite part was "Niki" and "Mary" singing back and forth to each other in their most desperate hour.
I'll shut up now :)
buster
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Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 16:14:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Steve Borzilleri <magellan@u.washington.edu> To: Dream Thespians <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Glam Bands? Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.92a.960502161333.75966D-100000@homer17.u.washington.edu>
> From: tbaddley@airmail.net (Tom Baddley) > Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1508 > > Do you think that the average age for progressive music is generally > higher than for, say, Green Day?!! I'm 31, and was raised on Kansas, > Styx, Rush, and Yes (among others). Dream Theater fits my natural > tendencie to lean towards this type of music. What about the kids who > grew up with Wang Chung and the glam bands of the 80's...it's no wonder > they are listening to shit like Oasis.
Hey! I'm one of those kids who grew up with Wang Chung and the glam bands of the 80's. Def Leppard's "Hysteria" was the first cassette I ever bought, and I still have it.
I'm also a huge Dream Theater fan and I don't listen to shit like Oasis.
And get this: I'm 20.
"You got eh probdem?" --Jackie Chan, "Rumble In The Bronx"
> Off my soapbox for now. > > Tom Baddley > This song is about peace and love, and good happiness stuff. > Steve (not Bafu) Vai - Passion and Warfare
Okay, well, you go quoting that guy and you're automatically forgiven. :)
Bafu Vai
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Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 16:17:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Steve Borzilleri <magellan@u.washington.edu> To: Dream Thespians <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Rapoport Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.92a.960502161710.75966F-100000@homer17.u.washington.edu>
> From: Partha Mukhopadhyay <ahtrap@umich.edu> > Subject: Rapoport's Rule > > In Evolution, a simple little idea that says theat climates are more > variable at higher latitude (the farther north or south you go from the > equator, up to a certain point, of course).....Why? A CHANGE OF > SEASONS, of course............and that's what I wrote on my evolution > Exam.....
Yeah, that's why Vai installs his Evolution pickups as close to the tremolo and neck as possible - to get more variety in his tone.
(what, you thought DT was the only reference we could squeeze out of this little story?)
Bafu Vai
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Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 16:21:06 -0700 (MST) From: Nathan Bradley~ <nbradley@sedona.intel.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Al Pitrelli & Sava pics... Message-ID: <9605022321.AA16649@knicks.ch.intel.com.ch.intel.com>
Jammers,
Just wanted to pass on some information on Savatage, Al Pitrelli, etc.
The Savatage Fan Home Page has posted a number of new Savatage related pictures, including pictures of Al Pitrelli. A number of these photos where taken during the video shoot for "One Child" which just finshed shooting 2-3 weeks ago. The pictures of Al are killer!!! In the two close up pics of him at the video set, he has a full beard, looks pretty tough....
To check them out go to
http://www.d.umn.edu/~tsands/savatage/new_pics.html
Other pics are from the DWD tour in Greece, Poland, Germany.... and plenty of others.
later,
-- Nathan Bradley nbradley@vision.d.umn.edu
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Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 19:29:38 -0400 From: BigDTFan@aol.com To: The Ytsespam <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Catch Phrases, etc... Message-ID: <960502192937_388986030@emout15.mail.aol.com>
Remember when Guns N Roses was really big? The catch-phrase was "heavy metal." Any rock that was popular was at that time was called "metal." GnR was referred to as "metal" all the time. IMHO, GnR is not metal. It's much in the same manner as today's popular rock bands get stuck with the "alternative" tag.
Everybody seems to be seeking out and soliciting recommendations for other prog-rock bands. C'mon, people. There's more to life/music than prog-rock/metal. Granted, it's a great genre, but enough can be enough sometimes. By only listening to prog-rock/metal, as expansive as the genre is, you are in fact closing yourself off, and you're just as guilty as the MTV generation that a lot of people are so fond of bashing with utter vitriol.
I'm glad to see the occasional reference to jazz-rock fusion. Hell, in a recent jam, someone mentioned DiMeola, McLaughlin, and DeLucia. But was Buck right? Are we all just a bunch of metal-heads? I've seen references to neo-classical shred/prog/whatever ever since I joined the Jam. If you're into that, how 'bout checking out some "real" classical? If you dig the jams da boyz do every once in a while in concert, then check out some jazz-rock fusion, or even straight-ahead jazz. Many of those jams are not unlike anything that fusion guys like Scott Henderson, Al DiMeola, John Scofield or Mike Stern would play.
Check these guys out, like Scott Henderson or Al DiMeola if you haven't done so already. You'll discover a whole new world with a small footing in one we're already familar with and extremely fond of.
Elliott Kim, BigDTFan@aol.com The Ytsejammer Formerly Known As ekim01@fiu.edu
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Date: Thu, 2 May 96 19:14:30 PDT From: zack@lsil.com (Zack Gemmill) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: The heaviest DT song Message-ID: <9605030214.AA00789@tengs1>
..is Pull Me Under. Where have you people been? :>)~>
Zach
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Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 22:12:46 -0500 From: market@clubmet.metrobbs.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Get InTERNET PHONE...off the net. kinda cool Message-ID: <TCPSMTP.16.5.2.-10.12.46.5485.17822@clubmet.metrobbs.com>
Hey,
The other day I downloaded "Internet Phone" from the net and man...it's pretty cool. You can talk "live" around the world with NO NO NO NO NO NO NO longdistance. :)
If anyone else out there has a copy...lemme know. Lets start a DT live chat. (real voice).
take care,
Todd s
H T T P : / / W W W . D R E A M T . O R G
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