YTSEJAM Digest 1518
Today's Topics:
1) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1516
by Daniel McCormack <dmc@dreamt.org>
2) Necronomicron and Dubbing
by kurt@fgallery.com
3) Mail Item Format Warning
by "RESPONSE at IBMMAIL 05/04/96 - 00:44:34" <response@ibmmail.com>
4) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1515
by Brian Cox <lerxst@metronet.com>
5) Re: lots o stuff
by Ed Reed <ereed@comp.uark.edu>
6) Stryper's Bible assault
by jgreene@acs.bu.edu
7) Metal Edge
by "'THE HAND...' R. Ananda" <spod@u.washington.edu>
8) Alanis Live
by JamesArin@aol.com
9) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1516
by ernie@mail.pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack)
10) posting too much about Marillion and Satan
by ernie@mail.pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack)
11) Re: Guitar Gods
by souza@uucomet (SOUZA)
12) DTs possible 2CDs, Rush's new one!!
by curth@execpc.com
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Date: Fri, 03 May 1996 19:13:23 -0300
From: Daniel McCormack <dmc@dreamt.org>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1516
Message-ID: <318A8503.5C25@dreamt.org>
Hey, here's some more replies... Maybe I can get on the MFP list... Scott Cook did... I'll just do what he
did. :)
> From: Michael Bahr <durnik@indirect.com>
> Subject: YES! OFF TO DENVER!
>
> I have a tidbit of news I cannot elaborate on, for I am sworn to
> secrecy (unless someone else spills it) but I can say this: something we
> REALLY want (speaking DT-wise) is going to happen. That's all I can say.
What, the new DT album? Yeah, we know. :) Seriously, though, most everyone guessed a DT/Rush tour... That's
what I would say, except that I remember hearing a ffew Jams back (or maybe it was on IRC) that MP was
thinking of getting a computer and subscribing to the Jam. Maybe he convinced the other DT members to do
the same. Or maybe not... Just Mike on the list is enough is enough for me... Although I'd LOVE to chat
w/JP about music theory and the like... e-lessons! :)
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> From: borlangw <borlangw@dcs.gla.ac.uk>
> Subject: Secret
[snip]
> If we guess correctly, do we get Precious Things?
Whoa, that's a lot of CDs if it's a Rush/DT tour... It'd be cool tho. I just got AQ and can't afford
ANOTHER $25 boot right now... Damn.
[snip]
> - DT will be touring with Rush
Mike Bahr, take note, there's one more...
> - DT will be touring
YES!!! :)
> - DT *are* releasing a 2-CD set
YES!!!
> - DT are *not* releasing a 2-CD set
YES!!! :)
> - DT are getting computers and making their way onto the jam
Prob'ly...
> - John Myung is going to speak
LOL!!
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> From: rtgood@students.wisc.edu (Ryan T. Good)
> Subject: Jammers in and around Madison (ndtc)
>
> P.s. Hey Mr. Bahr.....What's the secred you've been waiting to tell
> us about The Boys???
yeah, right, he's just gonna TELL you after all our hard work guessing?!? :)
> why - why not?
Why yes.
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> From: jskewes@why.net (jskewes)
> Subject: I have a guess...!
> [mike bahr's thing about the secret snipped... you've seen it before]
>
> I'll venture a guess....
>
> They'll tour with RUSH this year....
One more... Hey Itchy, can you write a program that will count how many copies of Precious Things Mike Bahr
will have to give away free if this is the right answer? :)
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> From: BigDTFan@aol.com
> Subject: FREE MAGAZINE OFFER!!! ;)
>
> Scared y'all, didn't I? *evil grin* Gotta milk AOL for all it's worth...
DON'T DO THAT TO ME AGAIN!!! :)
> >From: bert@mail.pananet.com
> >Subject: Sega Saturn
> >
> > Is Necronomicon already out? I can rent a Saturn and dub the
> >soundtrack out to DAT, and add the best stuff to Precious Things.
what's this? Mike Bahr said that, didn't he?
> YKYADTFW: You cringe any time you see the word "theatre" anywhere.
LOL! I DO THAT!!! YKYADTFW (...A DT FREAK When) you fit in to ALL of the YKYADTF's...
> >From: "Damon M. Fibraio"
> >Subject: Re: algebra and mary and some DTC
> >
> >towards math. I am a musician. All I need to know how to do is count. :)
>
> Oh, and musicians need to know the alphabet... at least up to "G."
PLEASE, DON'T START THIS AGAIN!!! :)
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> From: "Jeffrey Hochberg" <jeffrey_hochberg@CCGATEWAY.AMC.EDU>
> Subject: Hmmmm....
>
> Mike Bahr spake thusly:
> [Bahr thing snipped - you know the story]
>
> and then...
> [Bahr THing about the Rush tour snipped too]
> Hmmm.
>
> Not jumping to ANY conclusions,
Oh, well, sorry, you don't get Precious Things. :)
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> From: "Andrew Keith Garinger" <garinger@pilot.msu.edu>
> Subject: Necronomicon
>
> I don't know about the rest of you, but to me this game soundtrack
> basically amounts to a John Petrucci solo instrumental album. I'd love to
> see the whole thing on CD, not just the best parts on PT. I know it'd be a
> big pain in the ass to dub the whole thing, but I'd love to see it.
That would really rock, but is it legal? Doesn't Sega have a copyright or something on that? DT may not
care that Mike Bahr makes boots, but Sega probably would...
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> From: kingfrog@prolog.net
> Subject: DT, Accept, Helloween, Savatage, Pink Cream 69
>
> There has been a lot of talk about DT using some of the same melodies
> in songs....I think some of you are missing the point.
> I can assure you it's not done on accident or because they are running
> out of ideas. In my opninon it ties songs together in a unique way. I love
Yeah, at the end of Lie, i.e. the part they cut out for the video, they go back to the intro riff from the
Mirror - the three sixteenth notes and one sixteenth note rest... I know that Lie is like part two of The
Mirror, but it IS a different track, and they use the EXACT same riff, so I thought I'd mention it.
> how in Learning to Live they go back to Wait for Sleep....It gave me chills
> cause I wasn't expecting it.
I haven't noticed that one... Can you give me the times in those songs where they reuse stuff?
Later,
-DMC-
--Daniel McCormack dmc@dreamt.org or emc@caribe.net http://premium.caribe.net/~emc/dan.html
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Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 19:11:44 -0400 From: kurt@fgallery.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Necronomicron and Dubbing Message-ID: <TCPSMTP.16.5.3.-13.11.44.2916992174.283402@bbs.fgallery.com>
Theres been talk of dubbing the soundtrack to Necronomicron for Saturn and that it would be a pain in the ass..etc ect ...well its not that bad at least for Saturn owners because Saturn games' music is CD track,ie. you can put the game cd on any cd player and hear the tracks like a normal cd ...so we that have the saturn get a kick ass cd,with a sega saturn game in it! :) For people who do not have the Saturn you can buy the game and use it as a cd,but youre gonna be paying 50+ for The Jp Solo album :)
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Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 19:16:37 -0500 (CDT) From: Brian Cox <lerxst@metronet.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1515 Message-ID: <199605040016.AA10211@metronet.com>
hey, i never got an antiquites cd.
also, can you put me in for a carpe diem cd, and i will send the money with your DATS?
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Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 19:21:54 -0500 (CDT) From: Ed Reed <ereed@comp.uark.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: lots o stuff Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.960503163613.28418A-100000@comp.uark.edu>
> I've tried many times to get onto the DT Irc and it doesn't seem to > work. Is the address irc.dreamt.org? I don't know why it won't work. > Maybe I had the wrong address?? Can anyone help me out??
Try using port 2112.
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> >7. TOUR WITH RUSH. (my guess) > WOO-HAH!!!! This would be freakin' awesome! DT puts a killer 45 minute set > with a total of three songs :) and then Rush does a 2 and a half hour show!!!! > I'd see it again and again and again and again and again....
As far as I'm concerned, I'd hate it if DT toured with Rush... First, I don't particularly care for Rush (Geddy's voice just doesn't do it for me). Second, if the above analogy holds true, DT would only be on stage briefly and we wouldn't get a chance to just sit back revelling in their brilliance for 2-3 hours... On another note though, it might be a good career move for them.
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> >Hey! I'm one of those kids who grew up with Wang Chung and the glam > >bands of the 80's. Def Leppard's "Hysteria" was the first cassette I > >ever bought, and I still have it. > > me too! and so did someone else... man how many other people bought > this as their first cassette?
Hysteria was the first album I ever owned, only I got it on vinyl free at a football game when a radio DJ was handing out free stuff. Never heard of them before, but I took it home and gave it a few listens... I still think it's a brilliant piece of work for the time, and definitely worth pulling out and listening to on occasion.
DrX
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Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 20:59:05 -0400 From: jgreene@acs.bu.edu To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Stryper's Bible assault Message-ID: <199605040059.UAA155203@acs5.bu.edu>
Um, yeah. Stryper was into stuff like that. Also, a huge white cross would rise above the stage during their last song, and other such occ occurrences.
Yeah, uh...ahem. That's what I heard.
jg
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Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 19:19:38 -0700 (PDT) From: "'THE HAND...' R. Ananda" <spod@u.washington.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Metal Edge Message-ID: <Pine.PTX.3.92a.960503191406.17652A-100000@carson.u.washington.edu>
Being behind (as usual) on the jams, I hope this hasn't been posted yet.
I was just at Tower Records browsing through the magazines when I saw that Metal Edge had a story/pictorial on the NAMM affair in some city which I can't remember. Anyway, for anyone who's interested, there's a photo of John Petrucci looking real scrubby with a shit-eatin' grin on his face and a picture of Mike Portnoy and his wife, Marlene, hanging out by some photographs of Mike himself. There's also a short blurb mentioning John's newborns and the fact that they are working on a new album.
It was interesting. Go look at it.
--Rahul Ananda
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Date: Sat, 4 May 1996 00:28:30 -0400 From: JamesArin@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com, durnik@indirect.com Subject: Alanis Live Message-ID: <960504002828_484045992@emout07.mail.aol.com>
Mike Bahr said:
> ...if Alanis can reproduce those keen vocal harmonies from Ironic >in a non-studio setting without outtakes and overdubs, THEN I will be >impressed. She was a corporate shell as Tiffany, and she's a corporate >shell now. The only difference is that corporate cheese music has changed >from bop to angst in the years between. I _want_ to like her since she's >a female artist with a great voice and a slightly harsh tone, which is >something I like about Tori Amos and the Cranberries (or at least their >lead singer). But I can't escape the feeling that it's all so "planned", >so unrealistic, so force-fed. All my opinion. Which brings me to...
I heard a CD boot of one of her shows and watched a video boot also. I was quite impressed! I will, without a doubt, attend a live show ASAP. Later, Jim
P.S. I know how you feel about not being able to post to the jam. I an so busy making the SUBCON dubs my rare posts must be short and sweet like the one above. :^)
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Date: Sat, 4 May 1996 00:37:02 -0400 From: ernie@mail.pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1516 Message-ID: <19960504043700.AAA3737@mail.pananet.com>
> >Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 14:44:49 -0400 >From: BigDTFan@aol.com !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > >>From: bert@mail.pananet.com >>Subject: Sega Saturn >>
HAHA, Oh real funny E-man...why don't you just take that humor and shove it up your brand new Zoom!
just kiddin' ;)
> There has been a lot of talk about DT using some of the same melodies >in songs....I think some of you are missing the point. >
Since this thread has appeared again, I'll ask a question... is the end of Lie actually the end of The Mirror? Or is it just that they repeat the theme frome The Mirror? I guess there's not that much of a difference huh? oh well...
I can't believe the Village People are still around...
"OK...great, OK...listen Bert,uh...how about this one?"(this one,this one,this one,this one, this one, etc.) Ernie :)
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Date: Sat, 4 May 1996 00:37:15 -0400 From: ernie@mail.pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: posting too much about Marillion and Satan Message-ID: <19960504043713.AAA3743@mail.pananet.com>
>> AWRIGHT! I didn't know I posted that much... > >I did... :) > >> 3) escarabajos >> by ernie@mail.pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack) >> 4) geetar albums >> by ernie@mail.pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack) >> 6) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1514 >> by ernie@mail.pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack) > >see? >
Oh, ok. :)
>> One thing though..."But you know that love can be as hard as algebra" >> huh? That's just too corny... at least calculus, but algebra? :) > >Ha ! That line was supposed to be corny... It's written from some
I actually thought that was the reason, because the whole CD had good lyrics and then all of a sudden that song comes along... leaves you wonderin'
>* IMO Dream Theater thrives on that ego-stuff. They keep challenging >each other to get better (and they do). That's why I'm scared shitless >that they will split up due to those inevitable 'creative differences'. >Many bands have bought the farm because of that...
I doubt that'll happen, because DT is one of those bands were there really isn't a 'leader'. Everybody has equal input, like in Rush. In Yes, it seems that Jon Anderson was/is the main guy (at least that's what it seems to me, but I could be wrong because I'm not a Yes fan). In DT, the only thing that might happen is what already happened w/ Kev... one member is unhappy w/ the direction in which the music is going so he leaves... but the main band still goes on...
>As individual musicians they're great/brilliant... As a band they're >fucking magic ! You just need to give 'em time to grow on you... >
Yeah, the melodies got stuck in my head already...that's a good sign :)
>> I remeber that I was scared the first time I listened to 7th son, >> because I thought Satan would come up from behind me or something :) > >I remember reading somewhere (a long time ago) that they're not about >devil-worshipping... Their music is actually more about 'exorcism'...
Oh I know that... Bruce actually made a speech about that on the 'Live after Death' video. (or was it Maiden England?..don't remember) They just like talking about the occult. It's just that it was the first heavy metal tape I ever heard and I had heard all about subliminal messages...and then I hear this guy sing "Lucifer's my name" ...and you start getting scared you know... I think I was like 11 or 12...
"OK...great, OK...listen Bert,uh...how about this one?"(this one,this one,this one,this one, this one, etc.) Ernie :)
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Date: Sat, 04 May 96 01:42:00 -0200 From: souza@uucomet (SOUZA) To: undisclosed-recipients:; Subject: Re: Guitar Gods Message-ID: <8BFF066.019000AEB5.uuout@uucomet>
Yt> Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 23:48:47 -0500 (EDT) Yt> From: "Scott R. Daugherty" <srdaugz2@homer.louisville.edu> Yt> To: ytsejam@ax.com Yt> Subject: Guitar gods Yt> Message-ID: <9605030348.AA09694@homer.louisville.edu>
Scott said:
> Hi everyone, > > With all this talk about great guitar players, I have to mention one > that I don't think anybody has brought up:
> JASON BECKER
That's what I call coicidence. :) When I start to read that I was hearing Perpetual Burn and thinking to write something like you did... This album is great!!
> He's amazing, or at least he was :(, now he's fighting a new battle > with ALS.
I have to ask what ALS means.. I know he's sick, but..
At last, I *have* to mention one guitarrist you've forgot (or you don't care about :)):
STEVE MORSE!
He's great too, he's fast and he have an amazing feeling to play guitar, keybs, whatever you put on this hands.. :)
See you, Dan.
.. Was Jimi Hendrix's modem a Purple Hayes? ___ Blue Wave/DOS v2.30
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Date: Sat, 4 May 1996 04:18:17 -0500 (CDT) From: curth@execpc.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: DTs possible 2CDs, Rush's new one!! Message-ID: <199605040918.EAA02372@earth.execpc.com>
Hi everyone,
Well, first off, the most exciting news is that the title for the new Rush album is "Test for Echo" and has 12 tracks on it - one of which will be an instrumental. (I can hear Bafu saying "oh yippee" right about now - being the big Rush fan he is...) In addition, it appears that the release date has again been pushed up, now to August 20th. Although it is not definite, in all likeliness they will tour, but not during the summer as Neil is apparently against this. If your wondering what the song titles are, I dunno because they haven't been posted yet. This info comes from the NMS (Rush mailing list).
As to the thread about DT releasing two CDs - I realize this thread has died down a bit, but I figured I'd add a couple ideas that could work in leu <sp?> of a double CD release: 1) As has been mentioned by several, there is the idea to release the two CDs separately - a la GNR. This is an all right idea, one that could work, whether both CDs were released at once or several months in between.
2) Release a single CD and put the extra tracks on B-sides of future singles. This is the most likely scenario, but the one thing I don't like is that the songs will be spread out over several CDs as opposed to just being on one CD - which brings me to an idea (actually a couple) I don't recall reading...
3a) Have the Japanese release feature a second CD with the extra tracks, similar to what they did with the Eve mini-CD; this time though, put *all* the extra songs on the bonus CD, not just one - after all, Japanese releases almost always seem to have extra goodies that the domestic version doesn't. (Only problem with this is that it would be more expensive and some may not have any access to the Japanese import). OR 3b) Have EastWest make a limited series pressing of the new one featuring a bonus CD, similar to the limited edition version of Soundgarden's Badmotorfinger which contained a bonus CD with (I think) 5 extra tracks. Then have the standard release (single CD) as well. (Biggest problem with this would be *when* to release it, since releasing it right away *may* scare off some potential buyers from getting a 2 CD set - perhaps make the limited 2 CD set available only during the second pressing). OR 3c) EastWest could release a limited edition CD containing the extra tracks through some form or other - perhaps through the 'Net, since we 'Jammers are probably some of the biggest fans DT has or through some sort of voucher that could be found only within the first pressing of the new CD.
So those are my ideas - take 'em or leave 'em, but I'd like some feedback, whatever it maybe (except for flames of course).
Well, that's it for now.
Scott Hansen curth@execpc.com
PS Hellos go out to Bigman, who I finally met (accidentally) at Sunday's Satriani concert.
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